Biden and Ryan Represent Different Generations of Catholics

The past four years have witnessed a battle between different generations of Catholics in public life—Generation X Catholics have taken a very different path from Baby Boomer Catholics and those born before the boomers.

Generation X Catholics have emerged prominently in the Republican Party. Many who were mentioned this year on Mitt Romney’s vice-presidential short list were Gen X Catholics—Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Kelly Ayotte and Marco Rubio.  They were given prominent spots at the Republican National Convention (Jindal could not attend because of Hurricane Isaac). They continue to elicit excitement as the “future” of the Republican Party and conservatism in general.

The Democratic party has been led by outspoken Catholics of “the silent generation” (those who preceded boomers by a few years)—Nancy Pelosi in the House and Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency. Baby Boomer Catholic Kathleen Sebelius, born only six years after Nancy Pelosi, created an all-out fight with the Church through her decisions at the Department of Health and Human Services. And the candidates attracting attention in the Democratic party this season are individuals like Senate candidate Tim Kaine in Virginia, a baby boomer Catholic who was once a Jesuit missionary in Honduras.

These individuals may represent the last of an aging group because few prominent younger Catholics are emerging in Democratic party politics. In fact, if the 2010 elections were any indication, fewer and fewer successful Catholic candidates of any age group are seeking office on Democratic tickets. In 2010, 37 Roman Catholics were newly elected to Congress. Of those 37, only 3 were Democrats (all 3 were born in the 1950’s). The high number of Catholics who were elected to Congressional office that year chose to run as Republicans. Not one Generation X Catholic of that freshman class was a Democrat.

Generation X Catholics are steadfast in their defense of values that also correspond to the Church’s own positions on the dignity of life and the sanctity of traditional marriage. They place greater importance on the role of individual charity over government assistance. They have no memories of a parish community life in which the Murphy’s brought dinner over for the Dougherty family’s sick grandmother or bought a gift for the new baby in church because such a Catholic community had disappeared by the time they were born. As one parish priest I know put it, charity as an act of love had largely morphed into “an act of mere administration.” They see the government’s role as too often replacing the community’s.

Many of the most prominent and powerful boomer and pre-boomer Catholics in public life openly advocate for issues that the Church considers “intrinsically evil” while arguing that their “social justice” positions make them Catholics in good standing. Yet their economic positions are areas which Church teaching leaves open for debate among Catholics of good conscience. With the leadership of Kathleen Sebelius, these generations of Catholics have now forced the American Church into a position where it must litigate with the U.S. government in order to win back its right to practice its faith freely.

For Catholic politicians of the boomer generation, John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech to Protestant ministers in Houston was a moment over which they look back with pride. For churchgoing Catholics of Generation X, Kennedy’s apologia was an albatross around our necks. We came of age just as the most controversial and defining human rights issue in the U.S. became abortion.  If we spoke up or debated on it with an opinion that happened to dovetail with the same position of the Church, even if our arguments were based on reason alone, we were aggressively told that we had no right to publicly express our opinion on the matter under the old adage of “imposing our morality.”

Catholics on college campuses in the late 1980’s and 90’s who entered into discussions in that dominantly left culture routinely found that opposing students or professors merely chastised their religion rather than addressed the subjects they wished to debate.  We were silenced on the basis of our religion alone.

Those who continued into public life after such trials by fire did so with spines of steel. There will be no speeches arguing for “absolute” separation of Church and State from Catholic public figures of the new generation. This is not because Kennedy forged any path for them that left them freer to be a Catholic elected official (his long-term legacy may have made the way even harder), but because Catholics of Generation X were too bullied by the cultural left during the critical formative years of their political and social thought to cater to the left’s fears of their religion.

In many ways, the Democratic party left young committed Catholics who dreamed of a political future little choice after 1992. In that year, the Democratic party refused to allow pro-life Catholic Governor Bob Casey of Pennsylvania the opportunity to speak at the Democratic Convention even though he was a successful and powerful Democratic leader of a populous swing state. Most voters watching the convention would not have noticed this moment, but to a politically engaged pro-life Catholic still considering future party affiliation the message was clear: “You have no future with us.  Not only will you not rise to prominence in our party, you may not even speak.” The long-term political consequences of that moment have never been fully analyzed.

Generation X Catholic politicians, of course, do not necessarily mirror Gen X Catholic voters. Catholics in the U.S. do not vote as one bloc, being neither firmly in the Republican or Democratic camps. However, those Catholics seeking political office are clearly moving further and further into a definite camp—the Republican Party.

Should this matter to either party? Yes, because Catholics as a group tend to attain political leadership and success far beyond their minority status in the United States. (Why this is is another topic for another time.) Sufficed it to say that it is not smart political strategy to spend twenty years pushing away a large minority group with such a strong tendency to both succeed at and influence American politics.

Future generations of aspiring Catholic politicians will likely be even less disposed to the Democrats. Obamacare in 2010 caused Congressman Bart Stupak and other pro-life Democrats to compromise their principles and the HHS mandate has left even liberal Catholics praying (and suing) for reprieve. There is little chance that young committed Catholics seeking public office in the future will see the Democratic Party as a possible home.

After this upcoming election, the Democratic party has no up-and-coming talent that excites their base the way the Republicans do.  Regardless of this election’s outcome, the fact is that by pushing away young Catholics and other traditional religious young people over the years, the Democrat party has ultimately pushed away future political stars.

Elise Ehrhard


Elise Ehrhard has written for numerous secular and Catholic publications, including The Chicago Tribune, The Washington Times, UPI, First Things, and Canticle.

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  • Ken Bblacketer

    Great story. Thank you. I converted to the church in the 60’s as a young man of 16. You can imagine how that went over in the age of ‘if it feels good,, do it’!

  • publiusnj

    I am a baby boomer who was raised to consider himself an Irish Catholic Democrat. I voted for Hubert Humphrey as my first act of political majority. When abortion came along with the almost out-of-the-blue Roe Decision in January 1973, I thought I could continue as a Democrat, and that eventually the tide would be turned on Abortion. Several of the Catholic Democrat politicians, including Teddy Kennedy, Joe Biden and Mario Cuomo, tried to speak out of both sides of their mouths on abortion, but the Enforcers of Progressive Orthodoxy within the Democrat Party eventually forced all of them (except the eventually exiled Robert Casey) to be as callous about the slaughter of “fetuses” as Barack Obama can be.
    So, throughout the Eighties, I became more and more open to the possibility of first not voting Democrat and then even voting for Republicans. Well, I crossed that Rubicon in 1992 and my rule now is that I would never, ever vote Democrat for any office, at least not until the Democrat Platform renounces Roe v Wade. IOW: NEVER.
    Why was the change easier for me than for the Boomer Catholics mentioned in the article (Pelosi, Sebelius, Biden, etc)? I don’t make my living at Politics.

    • ChrisPineo

      “Enforcers of Progressive Orthodoxy” strong use of language. I applaud.

    • Bob

      Ditto……I’m a former Irsh Catholic Democrat. I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me. Always be devout Catholic first, everything else is second. This is where you will find peace and joy.

    • publiusnj. Before you go back to the Democratic Party, you may want to know how democratic they are on other issues. Find a time when the Democrats actually supported their in principle, majority rule. I don’t think there is a time. Also, ask the Democratic National Committee for it standard official definition for The Party’s democracy. I have tried to find that definition and there isn’t one I can find. There is a definition of democracy in Black’s Law Dictionary. I have the 6th edition and democracy is defined on page 298. Our Republic and democracy are two entirely different forms of government, and they are not compatible.
      The definition of our Republic is its Constitution; all other definitions are false or incomplete.
      Defining our Republic as “our democracy” is false and becoming more ridiculous by the minute.
      Marvin Fox

  • great article, Elise. As a baby boomer, I have to say that I am so proud of the younger generation of Catholics. The MSM reports low numbers of protesters at Life Marches, and all are old. Then you watch the tape and see hundreds of thousands of young people!!
    You go, kids, and God Bless You!

  • Biden certainly should be the more conservative but he is a turncoat to his religion as he has been in Washington to long and wants to still stay in srevice

  • Maccabeus

    While Joe Biden and Paul Ryan come from different generations of Catholics, Ryan is clearly more accepting of the Church’s moral doctrine than Biden. Biden openly lied during his debate with Ryan about the HHS Mandate. How can he, as a Catholic, possibly support a Mandate that would force his own Church to pay for contraceptives, sterilizations and abortifacient drugs and do so with a straight face? If that mandate is not overturned, it will have devastating consequences for the Church’s charitable organizations, hospitals, orphanages and other institutions. They will be forced to pay up or face huge penalties that could lead to their closing or being taken over by the government. Every Catholic needs to pay attention to that when voting next month.

  • Charlie500

    I take exception to Biden having the label of ‘Catholic,’ as well as Kathleen Sebelius or Nancy Pelosi. I do not accept it. Therefore, there is no comparison between them and those who unite themselves with the teaching of the Church. Either you do or you don’t…and if you do not, then you are not Catholic…simple as that. Nothing to do with generation.

    • I completely agree. The term “Catholic” is used in a much too loose fashion these days. Just like claiming you’re Napoleon does not make you Napoleon, claiming that you’re a Catholic while not following the Magisterium makes you the same as the self-proclaimed “Napoleon” – a loony (and a hypocritical loony for that…)

  • Pat

    In my opinion Joe Bidden is a disgrace to the name” Catholic”. How can one profess he is against abortion and support the very party who is doing all in their power to destroy human life. I do admire Paul Ryan. He is true to his religion and himself. Thanks goodness some Catholics have seen the light and discovered the Democratic party is not the party of the generation of years gone by. The HHS Mandate will kill all that is precious, our babies. I seriously don’t understand why Nancy Pelosie and Joe Biden are not excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Name only Catholics just are not accecpted in today’s society!! Unfortunely there are so many out there.

    • Giorgio

      Ok. I agree. But is not accettable the distruction of the social.state and assistential system . It’s not accettable the aggressive foreign policy against other States (bomb bomb bomb Iran…McCain dixit!). The war is not a right, and isnt catholic.

  • hombre111

    For better or for worse, conservative Catholicism has won the day. In part, that is because two conservative popes have chosen only conservative bishops for the last thirty year. Are there moderate bishops who were accidentally chosen out there? If so, they are on the arch-conservative radar. Now as for the conservative lay Catholics who have taken over, I can’t say why they have taken that direction. But they are taking over in the parishes and elsewhere, as the moderate liberals retire and give way. One cheer for the conservatives. Face the facts liberals (including myself) we lost. But now take heart. For the last fifteen years or so, the conservatives have been in charge. Oh, I know, they have blamed Vatican II and its “excesses” but they are the ones who have really called the shots. From now on, what happens in the Church is on them. So…as we talk about the exodus of young people from the Church, it is not because of a liberal Church, which has vanished. It is because they don’t like what they find in a more and more conservative Church. Anyway, defeated liberals, sit back and watch how well our conservative conquerors do. Will there be a deepening of real spirituality, or just a lot of devotional piety? Will the Church abandon its commitment to social justice? Will the Church decide that the poor can thrive on charity and handouts, if they are worthy? Will the Catholic Church become just another hard-boiled community of self-rightious “Christians?” I will have to watch from heaven

    • Maccabeus

      The Church is, by her very nature, “conservative.” By that I mean, she conserves the teachings of Christ and passes them on from one generation to the next by her authentic Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit. Your post makes it sound like the Church is more conservative today because of “two conservative popes” who “have chosen only conservative bishops for the last thirty years.” It is in her very nature to conserve and pass on the authentic doctrine of Jesus Christ in terms of faith and morals. Just look at what has happened to the more “liberal” Protestant churches, especially the Episcopalians. The liberal doctrines they have fed their flocks, especially since the Lambeth Conference of 1931 which permitted contraception for the first time, their support for gay marriage, women priests and bishops – all the darling ideas of liberal Catholics, have reduced its numbers and many have fled back to Mother Rome. Notice what has happened to the more liberal religious orders, especially women religious – they are dying while the more “conservative” traditional and new religious communities are receiving vocations and thriving. God is speaking through all of this. Liberal Christianity leads to a dead end. As a Catholic, if you truly believe that the Holy Spirit is the soul of the Church, guiding the Church into all truth, as Jesus promised, you would see that the very “conservative” direction the Church has taken under the last two popes reflects the guidance of the Spirit of Truth, i.e., it is the will of God for His Church. The Lord does not want the Church He founded to go the way of the Episcopalians or other mainstream Protestant churches.

    • Robert

      A true example of self-righteousness is your own comment, hombre111.

      • hombre111

        I told a youngish priest rooted in Opus Dei that the Church was his now, and asked him to stop blaming my generation, most of whom are no longer involved in active ministry. He seemed surprised, and then uncomfortable. He could talk the game but it was a bit hard for him to suddenly realize that all the responsibility is his. Vatican II is only a memory. So…whatever the Church turns out to be is the result of all those long years under two conservative popes and whatever other conservative popes take their place. I hope I live long enough to see whether the conservative Church flowers and blossoms.

    • Theorist

      Conservatives have taken over? IMO they still have some ways to go and if anything need to become more conservative.

      • hombre111

        Conservatives are like a python wrapped around its victim. They just keep squeezing until the poor creature stops breathing. Keep it up. I’m bound for eternal glory and won’t see the dead body you leave behind.

        • John200

          Fr. Hombre,
          Go see your confessor and tell him this stuff. You are not seeing what is right in … well, let him tell you.

  • JackB

    Not only was Casey not allowed to speak at the 1992 Democrat convention, but to rub salt into the wounds, they allowed a pro-abortion Republican to speak. I recall also seeing some deligates carrying anti-catholic signs.

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  • lewbee06

    Biden, Pelosi, Selbelius, Kerry, et al, are not Catholics. All should be denied from receiving the Holy Eucharist at the least, ex-communicated at best. Liberalism, socialism, progressivism {code word for communism} are not compatible with Catholicism.

    • MarioLuiggi

      Absolutely! According to canon law, they are automatically excommunicated. Bishops should be way more bold and point that out publicly. The same forany person that votes for them, is also excommunicated.

      • lewbee06

        Precisely Mario. The Bishops are not doing their job. They will have to answer to Jesus for not protecting the sanctity of the Eucharist and leading the sheep astray.

  • John 654

    I wouldn’t vote for Obama or Biden if they put a gun to my head! I’m Catholic and in love with Jesus Christ and His church.


  • Mack

    This sails very close to absolutist stereotyping. Does it follow that a child born at 11:59 P.M. on 31 December 1965 and thus, by popular consent, a Boomer, is evil and that a child born two minutes later at 0001 on 1 January 1966 is good?
    The oldest Boomer possible would have been 15 years old when the unhappiness of Vatican II commenced.

  • flylow95

    Don’t confuse the issue. The difference between Biden and Ryan is as old as history. Biden chooses evil, Ryan chooses good. Plenty of so called Catholics choose evil. Simple as that.

  • SCottR

    May the rest of the country grow a conscious and join the new orthodox young Catholics. May God stay with His Church

  • oldenoughtoknowbetter

    democrats v republican; left v. right; conservative v. progressive; warrior v. pacifist; east v. west; pre-Vatican II v. Vatican II v. post-Vatican II; and NOW we have young Catholics v old Catholics. How many more ways will people continue to discover so as to criticize, demean, divide and bully other people? I am sick of it all. Maybe its time to concentrate on private devotion and the hell with organized religion.

    • mborgdy

      Thank you.

    • WSquared

      “Maybe its time to concentrate on private devotion and the hell with organized religion.”

      That’s a cop-out, and as for the finding ways to criticize other people, I could say “speak for yourself.” The more effective thing to do is to rediscover the Catholic faith, knowing what the organization is actually for, and knowing also that we hold this treasure in earthen vessels. God is working through imperfect people, and the Church is not a club for saints, but a hospital for sinners. If Jesus Christ is who He says He is, then there is therefore no better place for sinners to be. If we say we want a better Church, maybe we ought to start with ourselves. Whenever I read stuff in the combox, almost invariably I come across Catholics who complain about the bishops, the laity, and so on and so forth– basically everyone else but themselves, and it’s always somebody else’s fault, and never theirs.

      Well, you know what, odlenoughtoknowbetter? I’m also old enough to know how much I’m sick of that, too. I’m sick of reading self-righteous commentary that says “to hell with organized religion” when each and every one of us should start with our own sins, and the reason why we like blaming “organized religion” and other people is because it’s convenient. Setting up one’s own religion based on private devotion, which will be far less likely to check our own self-indulgences and sins in the long run, whereby I’ll just be worshiping ourselves. The private devotions of the saints, and private devotion to the saints, after all, always point beyond themselves to Christ, which is why any private devotion to any saint, or any prayer, is actually worth a darn, anyway: it is Christ who has made them holy, and those who become saints are saints because they have allowed Him to. Without direction toward He who gives any of it ultimate meaning, it is meaningless. If anyone is going to harp about “organized religion,” he or she would do better to ask themselves what any organized religion is organized around– i.e. what and Who it worships.

      Perhaps you– and the rest of us– should be praying for one’s fellow Catholics as well as admonishing sinners (the two actually go together), instead of thinking that we’re “so above all that” when it comes to any of it. I’m a student of history, so I have no progressive illusions of human nature and the passage of time. For starters, I know darn well that human beings are tainted by original sin, and also that the road to Hell is oft paved with good intentions. But what we are talking about here is not that human beings are awful, but about the redemption of human nature, despite the fall and what is a broken world. Besides, the next time we want to say “to hell with organized religion” because of the sins or shortcomings of others, do let’s stop and consider how other Catholics and certainly the saints would view our own sins. The last time I checked, none of us were immaculately conceived.

      As Catholics, we know, or should know, that private devotion and private judgment only are not an option. There are as many paths to holiness as there are people, but that is not the same as doing whatever the heck we want, but rather that Catholicism is big enough for us and everyone else, because it is in *Christ* that the center truly holds. The catch is that that sense of bigness only comes in coming to know Christ more intimately, hence why we have orthodoxy.

      Catholicism is a revealed religion, and is handed down to us, not discerned for ourselves. From praying the Confiteor, to say nothing of praying the Eucharistic prayers along with the priest, it’s quite apparent that this is not “my” Catholic faith or “your” Catholic faith: this is the faith of the entire Church throughout all ages, and to have actual access to it, we must be in full Communion: this is a practice that takes renewal every day of our lives, and it is nurtured repeatedly. For whatever else we think Jesus says about love, and this, that, and the other thing in our “WWJD” culture (which seems to care far more about what Jesus “would do” rather than what Jesus actually did…), what Jesus most definitely DID say is that “without Me, you can do nothing,” to say nothing of vines not bearing fruit for not remaining in Him withering and dying and being cast into the eternal fire (which is what tends to happen in any case whenever any of us goes to Confession: the Lord purges that which is moribund from our souls so that we may grow and be fruitful, and He gives us the great gift of actually telling us what these things are). The organization and non-negotiables– i.e. orthodoxy– not only tell us what is being handed down, but the means by which all of us can access it.

  • Matt

    My parents are boomers, I was born 1980. We are the “John Paul II Generation”. So many of our societal and cultural denigration came out of the anything goes, if t feels good do it, drug induced coma of the sixties and seventies. My generation faced the very real and fatal reality of AIDS, the feticide of abortion, and a fifty percent divorce rate of our parents mine included. JPII-ers like myself feel like the boomer generation has devolved our society. We are comitted to putting an end to abortion, no contest divorce laws, and moral relativism. We’ve seen evil first hand as children ourselves, and we don’t want to pass on these humanistic values to our children. We are loyal to the Holy Father, our Bishop, and the Magesterium of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. As JPII told us in Denver praying the Rosary is our weapon against this evil, pray often!!!

  • Peter Wolfgang

    This article describes my own political journey better than anything I have ever read. Facebooked & Tweeted it. Great job, Elise.

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  • Giorgio

    From Italy: democrat’s social policy is better that repubblicans, perhaps. I am pro-life, but I agree with the social intervention.
    However, I am with republicans pro-life.

  • Giorgio from Italy

    I agree. But is not accettable the distruction of the social.state
    and assistential system . It’s not accettable the aggressive foreign
    policy against other States (bomb bomb bomb Iran…McCain dixit!). The
    war is not a right, and isnt catholic.

  • Why does the Catholic left continue to blink and look the other way, rather than face the devastating consequences of the sexual revolution / welfare state? Because in their hearts they believe more firmly in the power of the state than in the power of the Church. How many of them come to the defense of homeschoolers? None. How many have come to the defense of struggling Catholic charities, against the meddlesome rules of a state that wants to destroy them? None.

    • lewbee06

      The should be no Catholic “left”. The Catholic Church has been infiltrated by “modernist” and “progressives”, i.e. communists. A good read is The Jesuits by Malachi Martin. This book connects the dots as to what has happened to the Church and our society over the last 50 years.

  • Elise, this was a very informative article that gave me a great retrospective and big picture view without being verbose and unnecessarily rigorous. Please offer a class online to teach other Catholic journalists about concision. You have mastered the art. 😉

  • BoomerCatholicgirl

    As a boomer age Catholic with 12 years of Catholic education & lifelong Democrat I suppose I should be shamed, indignant, repentant? I do think it’s ironic that I had 12 years of Catholic school and studied under the tutelage of good old Irish nuns who also used shame, insult and sarcasm… I’m inoculated. Nevertheless I’d rather be a bleeding heart, civil-rights marching, Catholic social teaching, option for the poor, peace and justice loving Catholic than a self important, legalistic, compassionlessly “correct” Republican X Catholic anyday.

    • So you rather make yourself ‘feel good’ instead of accepting the gift from God, which is the Miracle of Life. To equate ‘Life’ to any of the other issues,is hardhearted..Life is not just an Issue, nor is it just a Tissue.

    • lewbee06

      Put down the leftist cool-aid and nobody will get hurt…

  • The Face of the Democrat Party is the likes of Pelosi and Harry Reid and Sandra Fluke.

  • hombre111

    I have known my confessor most of my priestly life, and we agree completely. He used to be a conservative, but he saw its heartless ways.

  • Terrific article. I attended an “Extraordinary Form” Mass in San Diego this recent Sunday at 9 am. First, the church was packed, and not just because it has a postage-sized sanctuary. Second, there were countless young families and young people worshiping there.

    In regards to abortion and health care… faithful Catholics believe in the use of Big Government to intervene in the medical profession to ban abortion, that is, to save the lives of the unborn. So logically, why can’t Catholics also promote single-payer health care to prevent the deaths of living humans outside of the womb?

    God bless.

    • We need to distinguish between LAW and GOVERNMENT. A law prohibiting abortion is what we had in most states not all that long ago. It did not involve a Birth Agency, a Department of Babies, and such. “Big government” is shorthand for bureaucratic management of affairs — and THAT is what true conservatives are suspicious of. I am opposed to a single-payer system, for several reasons. First, it inverts the relationship between the government and the individual. Now, the government becomes the caretaker of the individual, in a most intimate and dangerous way; the NHS in Britain is a political juggernaut. Second, it violates liberty — by which I don’t mean individual license, but the freedom of people to come together to seek the common good, by their best lights. It imposes instead ONE system upon everyone, stifling the local and the creative. See for instance what massively centralized management has done to our schools. Third, and decisive, it fails to deliver what it promises. I live in Canada during the summer, and we know a lot of elderly people there (here; I’m in Canada right now). Yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine, a late-middle-aged woman, about her bad back, which forced her to leave her job as a cook in a local restaurant. She is on a waiting list to see an orthopedist. She has been waiting for FIVE YEARS. The average wait time for a heart bypass, in Canada, is 18 MONTHS — this statistic can be found at the website of the medical system itself. There are chronic shortages of doctors and nurses. The hospital in Halifax sometimes has a whole floor empty, not because people aren’t waiting for operations, but because they can’t hire the personnel — because the system doesn’t pay them what they are worth.

  • The Republican Party fails Catholic faith and morals as well. It is the party of destructive mountaintop removal mining and revoking environmental protection laws, of unlimited corporate donation power in elections (Citizens United), of deregulation to the point of economic anarchy. The GOP has long abandoned classical conservatism in favor of Ayn Rand anarcho-libertarianism, which is very anti-faith and anti-person.

    Perhaps good Catholics can help return the GOP to more pro-life roots.

  • Rick Barrett

    Unfortunately the Institution of the Catholic church (Not the Catholic Faith but the institutional bureaucracy) lost all moral authority with its complicity in the matter of deviant, sexual predator, priests. You can’t ignore, cover up, shuffle the deck and look the other way on one issue, i.e. the sex scandals, and expect to be taken seriously when speaking with moral clarity on other issues, i.e., abortion. The church has nobody to blame but itself for having problems getting all Catholics to accept its teachings on abortion. I am a pro life person and take no glee in telling this simple truth…but the church has made it impossible for we loyal Catholics to advance the pro life agenda without being viewed as hypocrites by the pro “choice” folks. Thanks a lot robed big shots for covering for your criminal deviants! Your actions held many unintended consequences but you are too arrogant to admit it.

  • MGM

    Like others who are cafeteria Catholics, they failed or missed knowing the teaching of the faith because of their duality (evil and good). The teaching requires as to be ONE, one with the mind of JESUS. If we do so, we CANNOT cheat HIM, lie to HIM or rationalize what is considered sinful in our teaching. Seems its easy to be out of the true teaching so its easy to do as we please but still remains in the church.. Most of those who went for protestantism are Catholics then to be in other faith, one has to rationalize why they are there so thats also an added sin.

  • Beachly

    I am a proud liberal Catholic Democrat and you all are a disgrace. Pro-life also mean NO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, but the pseudo-Catholic Republicans you support are happy to kill those people while denying a poor struggling teenager her right to a second chance if she accidentally gets pregnant. If Jesus came to earth today, is there a single one of you who really believes, in your heart of hearts that he would be a Republican? To believe that is to not know the heart of Jesus. He loved, forgave, and gave gave gave to the struggling. Today’s Repugnicans are all about hate, greed, fear, and war. I am sorry for you and so glad for my old-school, loving Catholic community.

    • Robert

      Two instances of hypocrisy in your post Beachly. One, you claimed to be Catholic but apparently in support of abortion (genocide of the most innocent of human beings alive on the planet). Two, “Today’s Repugnicans are all about hate, greed, fear, and war.”

      On a side note, Christ has nothing to do with either political party. Why do you people (almost all of whom I see are democrats and so called liberal/progressives) seem to force Christ into political roles. Let go of your hatred, turn back to Christ. Examine, repent and confess your sins. Work on your humility and charity. Start volunteering at the local homeless shelters or pregnancy crisis center. And to preempt an objection, I am neither a democrat or republican. I refuse to affiliate with either.

  • Democrats have pushed away the many to excite the new militants who support the Democratic Party. If the truth were known and some know, Abortion is probably the Democrats worst enemy. Most of the people who abort their babies are Democrats. Most abortions are performed on a future Democrat voter. The Democrats are killing off their own constituents when they support abortion. Life is so important to Christians, they have no place in that party.

  • Beachly

    You lot are the living, breathing definition of cafeteria Catholics. The politicians you support are PRO DEATH PENALTY which is just as anathema to the Church as abortion, since ALL LIFE IS SACRED. But you conveniently look away from that. Paul Ryan’s budget was denounced by the Catholic Bishops for its appalling hard-heartedness regarding the poor, but you conveniently look away from that. Why? Because you think (incorrectly) that these same politicians will look out for you when they get in office. (They won’t.) Anyone care to explain this selective judgement of who is/isn’t a “good” Catholic? Oh, and also why you think you are fit to judge anyone?

    • Robert

      “Oh, and also why you think you are fit to judge anyone?” – “You lot are the living, breathing definition of cafeteria Catholics.”

      BTW, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, abortion and capital punishment are not on the same level. Abortion is objectively intrinsically evil no matter what situation, in all places and in all times. This has been the explicit teaching of the Church going all the way back to the first century as seen in the Didache. Capital punishment, on the other hand, is not an intrinsic evil:

      CCC 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity
      and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching
      of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this
      is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against
      the unjust aggressor.

      If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect
      people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such
      means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the
      common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human

      Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the
      state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has
      committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking
      away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which
      the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare,
      if not practically non-existent.”

      Regarding Ryans budget, that falls into an area of prudential judgement as far as the best way to help the poor balanced with the resources available while avoiding committing evil against others in the attempt to help the poor. Christ warned us that we will always have the poor among us. Poverty can not be completely irradicated, and as Christians the primary responsibility in helping the poor is ours, not the state. The problem with many is that they don’t actually help the poor. They ignore the poor, and just shove them off to an impersonal state so as not to see them as people and show them true charity. The same state that allows the death penalty on innocent children whose only “crime” was their existence. We citizens are free, as a few of the bishops have in their personal capacity, to agree or disagree on whether such and such is the best action taking into account innumerable variables.

      Catechism of the Catholic Church:

  • There are still pro-life Democrats in the South, especially at the state level. But the Democratic Party is in a state of collapse in the region.

    A few years ago, North Carolina was full of conservative Democrats. They still have three pro-life Democratic representatives in the US House. But after 2010 and redistricting, they are projected to be out of power for the next ten years. By that time, North Carolina will probably be as Republican as South Carolina.