A Catholic School Removes Teacher for Defending Faith

Chesterton once wrote that “War is not the best way of settling differences—but it is the only way of preventing them from being settled for you.”  If the Catholic Church is to continue to teach the timeless truths about the dignity of all human persons from conception to natural death, and the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman, the Church needs to begin to seriously engage in the war that has already been declared against her by those who wish to destroy these teachings.

In the past few weeks, there has been an escalation of the attacks against the Church in places like the Archdiocese of San Francisco where Sam Singer, the head of a high priced Public Relations firm, was hired to wage war on Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone because of the archbishop’s strong defense of marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Organizing protests, and enlisting the local media to help him in his battle against the archbishop, Singer has been successful in waging a well-funded media war on the Church and her teachings.

Likewise, in the Diocese of Scranton, Pennsylvania, a battle began last week against a priest who gave permission to show a pro-life film, To Be Born, to a sixth grade CCD class. Described in the local newspaper as holding “rabid anti-abortion views,” the priest—a pastor who is beloved and greatly respected by his faithful parishioners at St. Monica’s Catholic Church—was called a “bully” in a front page story of the Wilkes Barre newspaper. Unfortunately, instead of fighting back with the truth of Catholic teachings on the sanctity of life, the priest has appeared to accept the criticism of showing a pro-life film to “sensitive” sixth graders by admitting that he “showed poor judgment” in allowing the pro-life film to be shown. The CCD teacher who showed the pro-life film has resigned. She was already under attack from parents because she had the temerity to disclose to her students that “not everyone goes to Heaven.”

While it is understandable that the Pennsylvania pastor would want to de-escalate the public controversy by apologizing for allowing the film to be shown, his failure to engage in the battle makes things harder for those on the front lines of the ongoing war on the unborn. It would have been better if the priest was at liberty to explain that the reason sixth grade CCD students need instruction in the pro-life teachings of the Church is because by the time they reach sixth grade many students have already been introduced to the pro-choice message of abortion providers like Planned Parenthood in their middle schools. The Affordable Care Act opens the door to Planned Parenthood clinics in public middle schools and high schools—providing grants for establishing “School Based Health Centers” run by abortion providing organizations. While the law prevents these clinics from being used to provide abortion, the middle and high school clinics make abortion referrals, and assistance in accessing contraceptives and abortifacients. Planned Parenthood runs school-based clinics in many middle schools throughout the country.

In addition to the clinics, fifth and sixth grade students are exposed to sexually explicit messages in the books recommended by Common Core Standards throughout the country. Mary Jo Anderson published an article last year in Crisis, entitled, “Common Core Sexualizes American School Children,” which asks the question, “why has so much disturbing material been systematically built into the Common Core recommended texts?” CCD is supposed to be the place where public school children learn about the teachings of the Church—teachings that can counteract what they have learned in their public schools, and it is unfortunate that this priest did not simply say that.

It is difficult to fight these kinds of battles—especially when the media favors those who attack the Church. Archbishop Cordileone has been under siege since he arrived in San Francisco—but he has been courageously fighting a noble fight against an overwhelmingly greater force that wants the Church to just stay out of the conflict over same-sex “marriage.” It is unfortunate that some of his brother-bishops—including the bishop of the Diocese of Metuchen, New Jersey—have decided to surrender in the face of the enemy.

Two weeks ago, when Patricia Jannuzzi, a religion teacher at Immaculata High School in the Diocese of Metuchen, posted a statement supporting traditional marriage on her personal Facebook page, angry same-sex “marriage” advocates, some of them Immaculata alumni, demanded that she be removed from her teaching position, and that the school address the “homophobic undertones in the school.” Creating a change.org petition called “Stop the Public Hate Speech of Teachers” alumnus Tom Robinson (class of 2001) posted: “I know that many of you want to see Mrs. Jannuzzi fired, but addressing the systemic problem of homophobic undertones in the school and publicly posted on social media is much more important than one person keeping her job.” For Robinson, anyone—including a religion teaching at a Catholic high school—who refuses to support the goodness of homosexual acts is an enemy that must be destroyed.

Jannuzzi is indeed being destroyed. Much of the media—including the local newspapers—have described Jannuzzi’s Facebook posting as a “rant” when the reality is that she wrote: “We need healthy families with a mother and a father for the sake of the children and humanity!” Pointing to her statement that “(gay activists) want to reengineer western civilization into a slow extinction,” as evidence of her hatefulness, more than 1,000 individuals have signed the petition to have her removed. And, rather than defending Jannuzzi for her willingness to defend Catholic teachings, the principal and the pastor of her school have suspended her—sending a letter to alumni, parents and students apologizing for “any hurt this has  caused to any individuals and the negative light in which it has cast our school.”

And, to make matters worse, on March 20, Bishop Paul G. Bootkoski, the episcopal leader of the Diocese of Metuchen, appeared to concur with the high school administrators by saying that “the teacher’s comments were disturbing and do not reflect the Church’s teachings on acceptance…. Pope Francis reminds us that we are to accept all of our brethren. We must ensure that our educators steer away from harsh and judgmental statements that can alienate and divide us.”

What Robinson—and those who have signed the change.org petition—want is for the Immaculata High School to stop teaching what the Church teaches about same sex behavior. For them, Church teachings on homosexual behavior are hateful. He makes it clear in his post:

We are asking for action to be taken and hate speech to stop at Immaculata.  A school-wide Stop Hate Speech awareness day and sensativity [sic] training for students and teachers would go a long way.  Knowledge is power and providing students with knowledge about how to act in society is just as important as learning geometry, writing, or a foreign language.

Contrary to what Bishop Bootkoski seems to suggest, in 2010, Pope Francis referred to the trend towards same-sex “marriage” as a movement that begins with the devil, cautioning us to “not be naïve: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a move of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.” In a criticism of the Immaculata decision to suspend the offending teacher, Rod Dreher asks: “Could Pope Francis Teach Here?” Dreher points out that in January, Pope Francis gave a homily in which he called same-sex “marriage” an “ideological colonization that we have to be careful about that is trying to destroy the family.” Pope Benedict XVI warned in 2012 that the policies which “undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself.” Jannuzzi was merely echoing Benedict who knew that this was a war that needed to be fought.

We are all called to fight that war. Robert P. George, a law professor at Princeton and Harvard, and the vice chairman of the United States Commission for International Religious Freedom, is advising parents of students at Immaculata High School to boycott the school until Mrs. Jannuzzi is fully reinstated. The suspension of this faithful teacher—a teacher who in 2012 was given the Regina Nostra medal by the diocesan bishop for her “love and devotion” to Immaculata High School and the parish—is proof that Immaculata High School is “not a fit place for your children.” George has posted Jannuzzi’s photo on his own personal Facebook page—and has asked that others join this fight. Over the weekend, the family lawyer announced that Jannuzzi’s contract will not be renewed in the coming school year despite the bishop’s public statement implying that her suspension was only temporary.

There will be cultural battles because there can never be common ground on issues like abortion and same-sex “marriage.” No institution like the Catholic Church can exist in isolation from cultural conflicts. Sociologists like James Davison Hunter and the late Philip Rieff have cautioned us that we can never get “beyond” the culture wars. Rieff’s books, Triumph of the Therapeutic and Charisma, remind us that, “Where there is culture, there is struggle.” For Rieff, culture is war by other—normative—means. “By its very nature the work of culture—including Catholic culture—is the matter and manner of disarming competing culture.”

This is not to suggest that the Church must be filled with hostility. It does not mean that the Church is resistant to all change. The Church, like all institutions, is constantly being “re-created” in certain ways as some change is inevitable—it is inherent to culture as it emerges through conflict. However, this re-creation cannot be guided by the changing values of a secular culture. The Church cannot change her infallible teachings—the teachings of the Magisterium—including the dignity of the human person and the sacredness of the family. These are not just “values” because values change. These “non-negotiable” teachings are the definitive teachings of the Church and they will never change. Thus, to the extent that secular forces challenge Church teaching, the culture wars will continue.

The constant battles have already made many of us war-weary—including, most likely, the leaders of Immaculata High School and the Diocese of Metuchen. But, we can never concede defeat because of political pressure from alumni, donors, or movie stars like Susan Sarandon who criticized Jannuzzi on behalf of her nephew who matriculated there. Pope Francis warned us to be wary of “popular opinion.” On December 9, 2013, in an address to the members of the International Theological Commission, he said that although the Church must pay attention to the sensus fidelium, or the sense of the faithful when exercising its teaching authority, the Church should never confuse that sense with popular opinion on matters of faith. Pope Francis has made it clear that sensus fidelium does not mean “majority opinion.” The Holy Father knows, as his predecessors knew, that we are at war with a movement that began with the Fall of Man in the Garden, and will continue until the end of time. It is a war without end—but we are emboldened in the battles as long as we remember to “Thank God who always leads us in triumph in Christ” (Cor 2:14).

Anne Hendershott

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Anne Hendershott is Professor of Sociology and Director of the Veritas Center at Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio. She is the author of Status Envy: The Politics of Catholic Higher Education; The Politics of Abortion; and The Politics of Deviance (Encounter Books). She is also the co-author of Renewal: How a New Generation of Priests and Bishops are Revitalizing the Catholic Church (2013).

  • Samuel63

    The tables have finally turned. Our church leaders are now playing the role of the scribes, elders, pharisees, saducees and sanhedrin.

    • me, myself & I r all here

      you must do a wonderful job painting……….. with such a broad brush, i’m presuming that it isn’t detail work

      • GG

        How many bishops have publicly defended Patricia Jannuzzi?

        • Anne Hendershott

          I am not aware of any

          • GG

            Doctor, your point is well made and accurate but I must say we ought to expect Shepherds and Fathers not PR men and lawyers.

            It seems we can no longer speak plainly without the thought police inverting Christian doctrine and calling truth hate.

          • Michael S.

            a bit intemperate in her comments = loss of job and ridicule
            those who defend the indefensible = adulation, admiration, job security AND institutional support???

          • Gail Finke

            It was a knee-jerk, nasty reaction to a far nastier post by a very, very nasty person (one who, BTW, frequently attacks the Church). It was not a rant and not an attack, but definitely not well-thought-out, kindly, or prayerful. IMHO, the school should have asked her to take it down (it did, and she did) and reminded all staff that nothing on Facebook is ever really private, so they must all write as if what they were writing were going to be published in the newspaper and should therefore have as much charity as judgement. But they went way, way beyond that.

          • GG

            The teacher seems to have great zeal. That is a positive. That the clergy finds such zeal “uncharitable” is quite telling, no?

    • Nel

      And Pope Francis of ‘talk-first-and-think later’ infamy gave the ‘tables’ a huge shove. He is exactly what the Judas priests in the Church need to justify any kind of abuse and dissent and silencing of people faithful to the magisterium. If appealing to ‘the spirit of Vatican II’ no longer fools people, appealing to ‘the spirit of Pope Francis’ is just as handy.

      • Anne Hendershott

        Pope Francis never meant that we should not judge sinful behavior – but you are correct Nel (and Samuel) that just as people appealed to the “spirit” of Vatican II to promote women’s ordination, reproductive choice and a long list of liturgical abuses, now these same individuals are promoting a refusal to view sinful behavior as “sinful” because of the “spirit” of Pope Francis’s comment “Who am I to Judge?”

        • W2LJ

          It would have been a whole lot better if Pope Francis had said, “Who am I to condemn?” It would have made the point better about loving the sinner, but hating the sin.

          • GG

            What about simply saying I accept all Pope Benedict taught about the topic including his word as Prefect of the CDF.

            • BXVI

              Or what about saying homosexual conduct is gravely sinful, and an abomination before God that cries out to heaven for vengeance?

              • GG

                Well, that would be “hate” speech according to the self appointed overlords.

        • musicacre

          Hypocritical because they knew what the Pope really meant.

  • Simple & Plain

    Um…Children in grade six need to hear about life vs abortion because some of them are ALREADY HAVING SEX. No, we’d rather your children be educated by ‘the system’, which is funding Planned Parenthood, and wants to put the little children on birth control hormone pills, and provide them an abortion so they can explore their sexuality on their own schedule.

    Wow, not everybody goes to Heaven. How dare we tell little Johnny he’s a sinner.

    • Asmondius

      Also, so that they can get up each morning and when looking at what to wear also decide which gender they wish to be that day.

  • me, myself & I r all here

    it appears to me that you did what the so-called “reporter”, who is actually a well-known former catholic and “surprise” hater of our Catholic faith, you painted the priest, bishop and diocese as one who is afraid to “engage in the battle”………
    fr. leo has never been one to be afraid to engage in any battle,
    and bishop bambera is no shrinking violet, he too, is a godly man…….
    perhaps part of the problem is that the role between bishops and priests has been so divided (a sad outcome of the abuse scandal) that there is, to many of us, no longer the supportive relationship that had once existed.

    • GG

      So, the bishop and priest are publicly defending the teacher?

    • Asmondius

      Once the Bishop mentioned the ol’ hate speech’ line he was already carrying water for the enemy.
      .
      ‘hate speech’ = all Catholic doctrine in 21st century America

    • Anne Hendershott

      I am sorry if you think I do not support the Pennsylvania priest. I do – and I know his parishioners greatly respect him. But, I am concerned that he may have felt under pressure to “apologize” for the film. I agree that the film was pretty intense for 6th graders – but these same students are bombarded with a pro-choice, pro-premarital sex message in their public school classrooms and it is the job of CCD to tell them the Truth. We should never apologize for our pro-life teachings. My real question is WHY did the CCD teacher resign? Was she forced to resign? Telling students that not everyone goes to heaven is what the Church teaches – why would that be a reason for parents to protest her? I am just curious about that.

      • Simple & Plain

        Yep, it’s no more intense than the movies and TV shows they are watching, and the porn most have easy access to

  • lifeknight

    Thank you for another spot-on article! I know it wil generate comments about Pope Francis (already one) and the Vatican II naysayers.
    As the former founder of Human Life International, Fr. Paul Marx, would say, “We are not required to win, but we are required to do the battle.” (paraphrased). The homosexual SSA, SSM, agenda is just another battle that we are required to do as part of the Church Militant.

  • Mariana

    My son goes to a Jesuit Catholic high school and had to select a moral topic for a paper in his junior year. He chose abortion and his teacher said “that topic is off the table.” This was right after Pope Francis said we shouldn’t be focusing on these issues – which the masses took way out of context. My son chose Euthanasia, which I know she wasn’t happy about, and spoke about the dignity of the human person from birth through natural death. He received a C on his paper.

    • thomistica

      Important for parents and students to report this sort of thing, publicly. I’m sure the experience you describe has been repeated a thousand-fold across the country in so-called Catholic middle and high schools. Lest whole generations of kids continue to graduate who are not properly catechized and know nothing about their faith.

      • Mariana

        I am composing a letter with many other things I have documented and plan to send it to all the necessary church leaders.

        • thomistica

          Great. Unfortunately, many church “leaders” do not act on this sort of thing. You may want to publicize the experiences in some way. Watch out for threats and counterattacks, minimally shunning (but who cares about that), and you may want to seek pro bono legal counsel.

          • Mariana

            Thanks for the heads up. I have, unfortunately, been through this before. My son had previously attended a public school in which a trashy excuse for literature was required reading (anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-American, perverted, etc). A handful of parents and I went up against the Board of Ed & it became a town wide firestorm. The school was basically caught breaking their own policy (the book had never gone through the proper channels for approval). A couple of rogue teachers pushed it through. But of course they managed to weasel their way out of it. However, I do believe that we were effective in getting an important message across.

          • thomistica

            Somehow above got clipped.

            Meant to say–might want to seek pro bono legal counsel.

            Also–that any activity of publicizing pressures applied to faithful Catholics should be publicized and can have great value in reforming Catholic education in more magisterially faithful directions.

        • GaudeteMan

          Write the bishop with specifics. Keep copies of everything. If your bishop does nothing. Send file to Holy See.

    • Anne Hendershott

      I think that sort of things goes on much more often than people realize. It would be helpful if there was an organization that was willing to document these kinds of abuses. Your son was very courageous – you should be very proud of him.

    • GaudeteMan

      Is it worth keeping him in this school?

    • fredx2

      Children in Catholics Schools are being taught that Catholicism is bad.

    • He sold have told her he wanted to discuss pedagogical malpractice…no vote with your wallet. Why should you scrimp and save to pay the salary of a petty tyrant like that.

    • Rock St. Elvis

      Please say your son does not attend Rockhurst High School in Kansas City, Missouri.

  • Larry Adler

    I pray each day that my 5 grandchildren be raised as Catholics. My son in law asked me the other day whether many priests and sisters taught anymore. Sadly I had to say No, there are not enough of them to go around, but it is a lot better than the other option in “education” today. Now I wonder. I have one son who home schools and based on this article, maybe that is the only way for his children to raised Catholic.
    When the Catholic Church decides that being on the government tit is too costly (see Crisis article on CRS) maybe then the morals of the country will begin to swing the other way. You ask would the Pope be able to teach there….I ask would Jesus be able to teach at Immaculate High School….. .

    • musicacre

      Your son loves his children more than being popular, and it seems obvious that he is concerned abut them reaching their goal of heaven.

  • Charles Putter

    Traditional marriage has become a caricature. The biblical injunction to go forth and multiply is now spurned. We now have a culture that promotes sexual activity primarily for pleasure. Soon, our right to procreate will be taken away, the ultimate goal of the Genome Project.

    Annas and Caiaphas are alive and well ……………… judgement day?

    • Steve

      “Jannuzzi is indeed being destroyed. Much of the media—including the local newspapers—have described Jannuzzi’s Facebook posting as a “rant” when the reality is that she wrote: “We need healthy families with a mother and a father for the sake of the children and humanity!”

      I offer a screenshot of Jannuzzi’s original post. In actuality she wrote a lot more:

      http://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/2015/03/11/immaculata-teacher-anti-gay-facebook-susan-sarandon-greg-bennett/70187914/

      • Cool mick

        Even in its entirety, her post is mostly true !
        albeit inartful – but it’s a FB post, not a well-thought out essay
        1 – there is indeed an ‘agenda’ – its no happenstance that SSM is now in 36 states
        2 – we are told that homosexuality is not a choice, but also told that gender/sexuality is fluid and can change throughout a persons life. (I’m told Facebook has over 50 possible choices for gender in your personal profile) – so which is it ??
        3 – the purpose of the agenda is not to redefine marriage, but to undefine marriage which goes against the basic building block of Western Civilization for the last 1000 years

  • AcceptingReality

    I wish our bishop openly upheld the Church’s teachings on marriage…..and I wish our pastor supported the Church’s teaching on abortion. Alas, show more allegiance to the Democrat party than to Catholic Truths.

  • Athanasius Pernath

    Let’s face the elephant in the room and say clearly that the Church is heading for a schism. With so many ‘useful idiots’ inside her structure, this is a very obvious conclusion.

  • Mongo

    More gutless wonders in the Church. God, what a disaster.

  • LHJ

    Catholics who believe in traditional teaching need to organize. Articles are written, hands are wrung, everyone boo hoo hoos but nothing is done. If there is a war you need to decide which side you are on, action needs to be taken. The media is betraying the trust of the American people. Big money and people with power are aligned against us. Many are already in the field fighting and sustaining injury! Why do we stand idly by? This is so frustrating I want to scream. God give me strength! L

    • Senhorbotero

      If you want to show courage start with obama…lets get in the streets and demand impeachment. If we succeed then we can begin to effect things again. Look at what they did in brazil against rouseff, that is our model….we need to get going. Once started the momentum will acclerate.

      • MarkRutledge

        A quixotic episode is the last thing we need. The political will does not exist among the electorate, as much as he deserves impeachment. Beyond that, we shouldn’t be looking to Washington to solve our problems.

        • Senhorbotero

          No we do not look to washington to solve our problems, we look at washington and tell them we do not need them creating problems….as to the will of the people, lets see what do you think will motivate them, just what…more baubles and bangles….if they do not see a clear statement in public that some express then where do they get the willingness to stand behind anything….how do you think we have started losing could it be becuasethe other side does speak and does march and does act and have taken control over most everything….while we sit quietly in our homes wishing it would change….hmnnnn

        • Washington IS one of our problems.

      • disqus_gEynqDDvb8

        And you’d want to impeach him for what, exactly? Our president was democratically elected.

        • St JD George

          What good would it do besides, he has impeachment insurance in his faithful Catholic junior partner and he knows it.

        • You can’t be serious.

    • publiusnj

      I posted this separately below, but I think it important to share Bishop Bootkoski’s phone number with anyone who wants to call him, so I will post it again in support of LHJ’s suggestion that we organize:

      “I live in the Diocese of Metuchen, which is Bishop Bootkoski’s jurisdiction and which comprehends Immaculata within its territorial boundaries. I heard some commercials on Talk Radio telling the audience to call Bootkoski’s Office to protest the treatment of Ms. Januzzi. I called, but merely got a response from the answering woman (secretary?) that she would pass on my protest to the Bishop.

      We should all call his number to protest the school’s treatment of Ms. Januzzi. Otherwise, the Church seems to be going down the drain along with the rest of “Western Culture.”

      The Diocese of Metuchen’s number is (732) 562-1990. The menu mentioned (after going through 9 down to 2) that Button #1 was the Bishop’s office.”

      • Jacqueleen

        Does the Bishop have an email address?

      • musicacre

        We have alot of experience in trying to contact bishops to alert them to the plight of their flock…and I can tell you that their admin offices are usually organized in such a way that they are “cocooned” from any meaningful discussion with lay people. Even when we got a new bishop which looked more promising than the last because apparently he said he was pro-life…the office management (the people really running things…) stayed the same. One thing that can be done if your shepherd isn’t being a vigilant shepherd…is pray!!

        • Thomas Sharpe

          I received an email directly back from Bishop Chaput once. Not impossible, notice the difference.

          • musicacre

            Bishop Chaput has always been like that! One of the giants among the bishops.

          • Rob B.

            My wife and I did too, on a Sunday no less. Denver’s loss was Philadelphia’s gain.

      • brucenyc

        I believe the pastor’s email and phone are

        sbrennan@icsomerville.org

        908-725-1112

        He signed the letter espousing “nonhurtfullness and inclusion” as Catholic values rooted in Christ’s teachings. And I thought the teachings were centered on Love, Truth, and the narrow gate.

        • GG

          Nonhurtfullness? Is that a joke or did he write that term in the letter?

          • brucenyc

            Apologies…Nonhurtfullness was my wordsmithing.

        • Atilla The Possum

          ”nonhurtfullness”???? What???? What on earth is he trying to do? Blind us with a copy of The Oxford English Dictionary of Bull Droppings?
          It’s high time he grew a pair … and got a brain, too!

          • “”nonhurtfullness”???? What???? What on earth is he trying to do? Blind us with a copy of The Oxford English Dictionary of Bull Droppings?”

            Remember how in “1984”, the lexicon was truncated and negative prefixes were attached to words?

            • WRBaker

              Somehow doublethink and thoughtcrime also seem relevant to 2015, just as in 1984, just ask Big Brother (he’s listening, I’m sure).

        • Thomas Sharpe

          “It burns us Precious, it burns us.”

      • “but merely got a response from the answering woman (secretary?) that she would pass on my protest to the Bishop.”

        So did you hear the clinking as the message hit the circular file?

    • adrienne

      Okay, someone with social media skills, please let us know the web site or other to which we may congregate. I will do everything I can. We do need to organize on some separate forum. You know the opposition does. I have found all the phone numbers I can and will be calling them in the next few days. I cannot find Robert P. George’s statement on this.

      This school’s money people need to be contacted. This Bishop’s Schools department needs to be contacted. The Bishop of a Catholic School is bound to be the defender of the Catholic faith to the souls of its students, above all. The unfortunately named Bishop Bootkoski should be heeding some lessons from the lion-hearted Archbishop Salvatore Cordelione in San Francisco. Cordelione himself is being persecuted simply for asserting his right to establish the moral foundation of the school and its teachers as ministers.

      “Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

      • musicacre

        Funny that the Conference of Catholic bishops which claims above all, to be there for each other (collegiality) is strangely SILENT when the big test case comes along. The opposition to Bishop Cordelione was obviously well-organized and well-thought out before he did anything; they had their machine ready to go as soon as a bishop wrote his line in the sand. Too bad the other bishops aren’t about collegiality at all…in the real sense. That kind of fair-weather brotherhood is a sick joke for those true bishops carrying the cross of faith alone, very ALONE.

        • GG

          That is such a good point. Now, to be fair, perhaps behind the scenes other bishops are giving him support in various ways but what a witness it would be if a group of bishops publicly stood with him against the tide of evil? Instead of viewing everything in political terms and PR terms why not place faith in Christ and publicly show support?

          • musicacre

            Right; that’s what I meant, as a whole body of bishops, unwavering. The Muslims seem to be able to stand together, why can’t we?? I realize some courageous bishops stand together in the brunt of the storm. They’re the ones that inspire us to keep up the good fight. The “undecided” take shelter and let them get hit. ( And make us ashamed.)

            • Gail Finke

              Muslims are not standing together. They are fighting each other all over the world. Not that you’re wrong about the bishops… but Muslims are tribal people and they are not fond of the other tribes.

              • musicacre

                Yes I know what they’re like; my husband is from a Muslim country. His parents got out in the 60’s. They could see no future for their Catholic children.

            • GG

              Collegiality, like social justice, may have a specific Catholic definition but are mostly thrown around in some vague way that allows its users to define it as they desire.

              If just 5 or 6 bishops publicly stated they support Cordileone that would start the ball rolling and set a precedent. The Pope has called these men to be Shepherds not ceo types. They should listen to him.

        • What, you were expecting Bravo Dolan to show up?

          • musicacre

            Guess I was being ironic. It shoots their ” raison d’etre”, all to hell, since they really aren’t there for each other, but just to be a body that perpetuates lukewarmness, and other ills.

        • InHisGlory

          If his brother bishops will not support him publicly, let those who know he is on the right path do so! Please send a note of support to this shepherd:

          The Most Reverend Salvatore Cordileone, Archbishop of San Francisco
          Archdiocese of San Francisco
          1 Peter Yorke Way
          San Francisco, CA 94109

          Your Excellency,

          Let him know that the Truth is his guide!

      • LHJ

        That’s the spirit! I really do not know much about social media but do what you can and try to share it with friends and family. Start a small group and brainstorm for ideas. I pray God puts you in touch with the right people. Start small, go slow, be persistent. There is much to do but small steps one at a time. Peace be with you.L

    • musicacre

      You’re not standing idly by if you are praying fervently for these intentions; if that is idle then St. Therese of the little flower was idle. We can’t stop believing in prayer when the chips are down. Prayer first. As for action my husband and I were all about that for 20 or more years in the pro-life and NFP movement and after so many years years of trying to get various Bishops’ attention, several local priests took him (my husband ) out, in a very public pro-life meeting. Of course they engineered the people doing it, but effectively shut down pro-life for this city and…… we were the only teaching couple for NFP…not anymore. It takes too long to figure out which bishops are plants and imposters, and which are genuinely ignorant or unfaithful because they are frightened of their “peace” (peaceful life) being disturbed. (For some odd reason their formation did not allow for them to be strong when the face of evil actually confronts them…) We are not here to be detectives and get to the core of every mysterious recanting bishop; we need to organize prayer rallies, like Father Peyton in the old days.

    • musicacre

      Scream and pray! don’t forget the pray part!

  • FrankW

    This is yet another example of why it is so important that the Pope send a clear and concise message on these issues. While it is true that he may have attempted to do that, previously, I believe he could do more, and make it clear to all observers that the Catholic Church can never and will never modify its teachings on marriage and human sexuality. I have talked with at least a half a dozen people since the Pope’s “Who am I to judge” comments who actually believe that the Catholic Church now approves of gay marriage. This is an inaccurate perception that the Catholic Church has a duty to fix, as people are being led astray by it.

    I sincerely hope that Patricia Jannuzzi gets flooded with offers to teach at other Catholic schools. If our bishops can no longer tell the difference between what is moral and immoral according to the teachings of their own Church, they need to resign immediately. If they don’t have the courage to venture into this arena and stand up for the Catholic faith, they have no business leading a parish, let alone a diocese.

    • WRBaker

      I doubt that other Catholic schools will want to risk the wrath of the diocesan ed. department. I’ve seen how this works elsewhere, so I wouldn’t count on her getting a job with the diocese again.

  • JP

    This issue falls squarely on the Bishops. For the moment, forget what
    Pope Francis has said – after all the Bishop of Rome is only “primus
    inter pares” as far as his standing with the other Bishops around the
    world. Both Bishops and priests are obligated to teach and defend the
    Truth irregardless to what the Pope said.

    What we now have is,
    borrowing from Marx, is a correlation of forces. The Bishops, being good
    managers and administrators, do not wish to rock the flow of money to
    their dioceses; nor do they want to being on the receiving end of the
    wrath of the activists (whom many consider close friends and allies).If the Bishops will not protect their priests and teachers, who will?

    • GG

      If they do not stand for the faith, and protect innocent women, then what do they do and what do they believe?

  • LHJ

    We need to stop regurgitating the problems and formulate a plan of action.

  • PH

    A thought: Prudence! Prudence! Prudence! A great virtue meaning not not to say, but when, where, and how to say what ought to be said. The “Truth” could have been expressed so very differently in this case: a “may” might have been added. The Church is a “loving and wise Mother” and forms her children in THE Truth. We must all learn from her. To quote the late Cardinal Balthasar and many “fathers” of the Church, “Dare we hope that all men will be saved?” We ought to hope so. Even 6th graders can be taught that “possibility.” See, CCC, paragraph 1821.
    Love in Christ, PH

    • GG

      To place prudence in contradiction to Jesus’ own words is absurd. Only in post modern relativism and mendacity would any person think telling kids the basic truths of salvation are imprudent. Beyond contempt.

      • PH

        Dear Shoots-from-the-Hip,

        Very sorry to read that you believe St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, the great (named so by Benedict XVI) St. John Paul II, and the late Cardinal Hans Urs von Balthasar, and I, are mendacious. Thank you for including me that illustrious and holy list. It may help you to fast, pray, and study the doctrine of Grace and the mercy of God.
        Humbly,
        PH

        • JP

          So, teaching 6th graders the Catechism is somehow imprudent? Say what you really mean instead of hiding behind your straw men.

          • GG

            Exactly.

        • GG

          Hi Mr. Imprudent.

          My post was not about the quote from von Balthasar which would take a separate book just to explore. We will leave that for another article. My point was to show that teaching the truth of hell, and the possibility of going there, is not imprudent and to say so is a lie.

    • fredx2

      Balthasar was not a Cardinal. He was supposed to be made one, but died before it could happen.

  • publiusnj

    I live in the Diocese of Metuchen, which is Bishop Bootkoski’s jurisdiction and which comprehends Immaculata within its territiorial boundaries. I heard some commercials on Talk Radio telling the audience to call Bootkoski’s Office to protest the treatment of Ms. Januzzi. I called, but merely got a response from the answering woman (secretary?) that she would pass on my protest to the Bishop.

    We should all call his number to protest the school’s treatment of Ms. Januzzi. Otherwise, the Church seems to be going down the drain along with the rest of “Western Culture.”

    The Diocese of Metuchen’s number is (732) 562-1990. The menu mentioned (after going through 9 down to 2) that Button #1 was the Bishop’s office.

    • musicacre

      Once again, it’s the cocooning effect, where the bishops staff often either stonewalls any one trying to get through (on a real issue related to the faith) or just doesn’t pass it; sabotages it. The bishops tend to treat their budgets and other secular things as more important these days. When you enter into a diocese where the bishop is a true apostle of Christ, you know it right away upon entering almost any church in that diocese; like Vancouver, BC, Canada, for instance!

  • BillinJax

    Anyone who thinks we should set our faith aside in America
    in order to avoid stepping over the political correctness line in this current
    battle for the soul of our country is courting disaster.
    One thing is abundantly clear to any Catholic who understands the faith as
    shepherded by our Holy Father in Rome
    and that is the current regime in Washington D.C.
    under Barack Obama is by far the most anti-Catholic administration in the
    history of our country. The really sad thing is that our bishops had too long
    avoided the fight for fear of being accused of mixing politics and religion,
    and in the case of Obama the dreadful racist label from the media, allowing
    those of weak faith within their flocks who entered the political arena selling
    their souls to party platforms in opposition to our faith and values to
    establish a pattern of Christian capitulation.
    We and our societal standards based on the founders reliance on Divine
    guidance are no longer recognized as a legitimate challenge to the status quo
    separation phrase used to deny them. Our elected officials who were put into
    office to protect our freedoms have chosen to be a ruling class unto
    themselves. Those like Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Dodd, Sebelius and many others
    show no remorse for pandering to the enemies of Holy
    Mother Church and
    by default are parts of the problem. The situation has become grave and we,
    with guidance from bishops who now realize just how serious the administration
    is in its effort to remove all obstacles to a full blown secularist society,
    have to get involved in the fight for the soul of America.

    It is time to stop pretending we are powerless to defend ourselves from
    those who have abandoned piety in favor of personal power and prestige. If we
    the laity, the Church Militant, are to be the martyrs for the faith standing
    together against the forces of evil which are consuming our nation as it
    progresses on the administrations path into oblivion then so it must be. It has
    and always must be for true followers of Christ of every denomination a
    requirement to assist the Spirit of Pentecost within us in bringing forth upon
    our world the will of God to have life more abundant using the power of His
    Truth to make and keep men free. It is our duty, along with the message of hope
    and change within the church of Christ,
    to open the hearts of men to depend on the creators love to guide us to the
    place he is preparing for us not to succumb to the lure of an ever expanding
    totalitarian Marxist styled government promising to provide our every need in
    order to make us slaves to a godless political system.

  • Dan

    Parents really need to have a frank discussion with the Catholic School Principal and possibly even the Diocesan Superintendent prior to enrolling our children in so-called “Catholic” schools. One simple question to ask the Administration is what they think about the Jannuzzi case where a teacher lost her job for posting “We need healthy families with a mother and a father for the sake of the children and humanity!” on her facebook page. If the Principal and/or Superintendent won’t defend this comment, then the so-called “Catholic” school won’t receive my tuition dollars. My children can be taught the same level of relativism in a public school paid for by tax dollars.

    • GG

      You are right. This example should be a litmus test for orthodoxy.

      • WRBaker

        As much as I agree (especially as a teacher), I’ve seen principals and diocesan ed. officials just plain lie, too. They don’t want to give up an inch of “power” and, if they do relent, retribution is sure to be inflicted.

        • GG

          Right, but if the person agrees with the treatment this teacher received that is a quick scratch off the list school.

    • fredx2

      When they can fire a Catholic school teacher for expressing support for Catholic Doctrine, the end is nigh.

      As the article points out, Pope Francis could not teach in our Catholic schools after some of the things he has said.

  • mn_catholic

    While I don’t agree with much of what is written on “Rorate Caeli,” I heartily agree with their recurring theme that “the crisis of the Church is a crisis of bishops.” Show me a diocese with a solid, orthodox bishop and I’ll show you a diocese where this kind of crap doesn’t go on.

    • Anne Hendershott

      You are right – the majority of our bishops are courageous, holy men. We are blessed with so many good and holy bishops who inspire us and give us courage: Bishops like Archbishop Cordileone and Archbishop Chaput! But, there are dozens more…And, they are inspiring vocations to the priesthood (as our new book shows: Renewal: How a New Generation of Catholic Priests and Bishops are Revitalizing the Church) We need to pray for them also though – because they are the ones under attack.

      • WRBaker

        It appears most of the bishops are silent and almost thankful that they aren’t in this kind of spotlight. Most often they just clam up when something not very Catholic is found at work in their diocese (e.g., a pro-abort politician on a school board or an a pro-abort, SSM politician’s aide working on a bishop’s committee).
        As for education, most leave everything to their education department, which they use for “plausible deniability” purposes – most don’t know what’s really going on.

        • musicacre

          I repeat my point, why did they accept the position? If they want a conformable (whoops, I meant comfortable, oh well, same thing…) life why on earth sign up to be a shepherd? They do need lots of prayers, because in some cases, some of them possibly need a radical conversion to hear the cries of the people.
          Very sad the Conference of Catholic Bishops isn’t stepping up to the plate when they now have an actual issue, which, if ignored, is going to topple the Church (visible) in America.

      • “You are right – the majority of our bishops are courageous, holy men.”

        Anne, If that is true, why are we constantly confronted with this stuff?

  • W2LJ

    My daughter was thinking of going to Immaculata but chose another Diocesan High School instead. Not because of this incident – Bishop George Ahr High School is closer to our home. But, this kind of thing makes life so hard for faithful Catholics. All our lives we were taught to obey our bishops, “They’re the representatives of the Apostles, and they know what’s best.” Then this kind of thing happens. It’s hard enough knowing that ISIS would like to kill us all, and that the secular world hates us. You go through all that thinking that at least your Church and your bishops “have your back”. Then you come to feel that might not necessarily be the case.

    • Asmondius

      Sadly, the American bishops as a group have become enthralled with modern culture while they gorge at the government trough.

  • gespin3549

    I agree with LHJ. We need to organize and fight back against our own shepherds who have turned from the Church and from the Truth. I’ll bet any money that the pastor of St. Monica was pressured to issue that ridiculous statement of insensitivity by his superiors. I know of so many good and holy priests who are desperate for support from the laity, enough of which never comes, and they themselves are being persecuted by the feral left who deign themselves to be gods. If anyone agrees with me and wishes to begin the process of organizing the faithful, please shoot me an email at catholicmilitant AT gmail. DOT COM. I wrote the email as I did in case this forum deletes posted email addresses.

  • justanotherlittlesoul

    From Aleteia. The Jannuzzi’s children released a message detailing her financial situation and need for benefits:

    “Our family is in danger of losing our health benefits. Our mother has
    recently and successfully battled breast cancer without missing a single
    day of teaching, except for the day of her operation. Health benefits
    are important to our family. In addition, we have home,
    insurance, automobile and many other family expenses including
    educational expenses for two teenage sons. (One in college, one in high
    school.) Our mother is 57, and hoped to teach until retirement
    at 65. Due to the overwhelming attacks in the media on her statement of
    Catholic faith, we do not believe she will be able to find another teaching position…”

    http://www.aleteia.org/en/society/article/will-a-catholic-school-fire-a-theology-teacher-for-anti-gay-remarks-5862954700374016

    • Cool mick

      The Bishop released a statement denying that the teacher has been fired or has lost any benefits. The children of Mrs. Januzzi fear that she will be let go for the coming school year in September and asked the Diocese for clarification/commitment on whether she can rely on continued employment in the new school year.

  • thomistica

    The following is a description of a course offered at Immaculata high school. Where is the mention of the magisterium, or of the Catechism, in the context of “structural teaching tools”, whatever that means? From a supposedly Roman Catholic standpoint, sounds like a rather thin theological basis for discussing these issues:

    http://www.immaculatahighschool.org/page.cfm?p=915
    Theology 3: Two semester courses Grade 11
    Life Decisions:
    Within the context of the Judeo-Christian tradition and the Tradition
    of the Catholic Church, this course explores the burning issues and
    questions of personal morality, societal morality, and social justice.
    Utilizing the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount as structural
    teaching tools, the course will emphasize formation of conscience and
    the role of discernment in one’s spiritual and moral life.

    • Anne Hendershott

      There is much more to this story than a faithful teacher who was fired. This is just the first battle…it is now time to look closely at the curriculum and culture on these Catholic school campuses–and a closer look at exactly who is teaching there.

      • JP

        Ann, I think we all know the curricula of most if not all of these Catholic High Schools. Where I live, 20% of the students are practicing Protestants. One year, the Valedictorian was a practicing Jew. Nothing against practicing Protestants or Jews; but, when they can attend Catholic Parochial schools and not feel in the least bit uncomfortable, then the schools are not really Catholic.

        But, who am I to judge?

        • WRBaker

          The Jesuit high school I taught at had religion teachers who had all come from a local Jesuit college and the curriculum was primarily social justice, social action and little else. Asking students even the basics of Catholicism met with blank faces.
          Having a priest apologize for the Bible readings of the Mass, a non-Catholic vice-principal who argued for birth control in front of other Catholic schools (and the Jesuit president), etc, were all par for the course.
          Again, saying something in defense of the Faith and in contradiction to their “Jesuit Catholic” way of doing things (honestly, I heard this more than once) proved you didn’t belong there (and they were right) but woe to the students who know think that this is what Catholics really believe.

        • Gail Finke

          That’s not entirely true. Jews are actually very good at maintaining their identity and traditions in different environments. In many areas, Catholic schools are the best and Jewish parents send their children there knowing that they are secure enough in their own faith to be exposed to people of a different faith. Many non-Catholic but religious families are attracted to Catholic schools for the morals and discipline, take their children to their own services, and teach them their own traditions. IMHO, in my area of the country, the wishy-washy schools are the ones that have learned by long experience that they make CATHOLIC families upset by being too Catholic.

    • Asmondius

      Sounds like a framework for moral relativism propped up by hand-picked pieces of the faith.
      .
      You won’t find any prohibition against divorce in the Sermon on the Mount, for example.

    • fredx2

      The buzz words are there: “formation of conscience”.

      This usually means, in this context, a complete distortion of what the church actually teaches on the matter of conscience. Instead, it is usually an invitation to dissent from church teaching, based on not much more than a child’s first impression of what things should be like.

  • Laura Broussard

    How hypocritical!!!!!. The hierarchy is spending all our MONEY on the NEW EVANGELIZATION telling us to evangelize the secular culture. I wonder if many of them have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. They go out in public causing scandal and then refuse to defend a faithful Catholic trying to evangelize on facebook. They say all are welcome but when faithful Catholics approach a bishop they are minimized, discounted and marginalized. I don’t recognize the CATHOLIC CHURCH. One church recognizes all types of sexual sins of the flesh , the other just believes in feeding the poor. Should the church teach The 10 Commandments, and the Beatitudes? How can we feel comfortable evangelizing in the environment the Church is creating. Hats off to Bishops who are not COWARDS.

  • Bernadette

    The truth needs to be heard, as uncomfortable and tough as that is – it must be taught. Jesus was the first one to be hated, rejected and killed for giving us the truth – God’s law should be continually promoted in order for his children to be saved – that’s love, telling our brothers and sisters in Christ the complete truth. Look at the lives of the great saints. We must pray hard for our religious and teachers of the Catholic church for strength, conviction and love to teach the truth courageously. It’s all about grace and salvation, we are here to serve and to love each other in Jesus’ name – God help us!

  • “Likewise, in the Diocese of Scranton, Pennsylvania, a battle began last week against a priest who gave permission to show a pro-life film, To Be Born, to a sixth grade CCD class. Described in the local newspaper as holding “rabid anti-abortion views,” the priest—a pastor who is beloved and greatly respected by his faithful parishioners at St. Monica’s Catholic Church—was called a “bully” in a front page story of the Wilkes Barre newspaper.”

    Let’s give this a little context: The newspaper in question is the Times Leader. Its staff is rapidly anti-Catholic and it used to have a regular column by one “Father Bob”, who was known mostly for his permissive and libertine views. Mr. Timchak is now a convict, because in between penning his “who are we to judge” screeds (and as I recall having something of a public row with the former Bishop) he liked to look at pictures.

    Scranton is a sick diocese. The worship of politics, and specifically the Democrat party has created a weak and wandering flock. Some years ago, Bishop Timlin objected to concert-going on Good Friday and the vitriol expressed by the flock-in the filthy yellow rag in question-was astounding.

    • Objectivetruth

      As we both know, DE, most Carbon/Lackawanna county Catholics are Democratic Party first, Catholic second. Ask them who their bishop is, and they’ll respond “Bob Casey.”

      • And yet two Crisis authors and three posters have NEPA connections. .

      • Don’t forget Luzerne…corrupt judges..Conan and Ciavarellla..Lokuta abusing people and former football star and County Commissioner Greg Skrepanak.. and they just demolished another Church..

        • Objectivetruth

          Correct….forgot Luzerne…..

  • Asmondius

    I’m sorry, and perhaps being unfair, but the Bishop’s statement as quoted would make the ‘diversity officer’ at any major corporation, government agency, or secular college feel proud.

  • Greg Fazzari

    Progress should mean that we are always changing the world to fit the vision, instead we are always changing the vision -GK Chesterton

  • geraldine clark

    Think these 2 changes in the discussion could help.

    1. Separate the issue and each child of God with it. And write accordingly.

    2. Denounce hateful language and attitudes on both sides

    On line there are vicious opponents on both sides. Hateful language is directed at opposing group as one homogenious vile block.

    • JP

      Your moral equivalence is juvenile.

    • GG

      Where is this “hateful” language?

      • geraldine clark

        I do not want to quote and therefore point to individuals. I would suggest tying something like the following.
        1. You might want to check to see how much you trust God in this issue. Fear can harden out hearts. we stop hearing the meanness in what we say and read. and get a positive jolt from engaging in negative conversations. Or a jolt of pride when we make a point. At what cost to our souls? And to our representation of Jesus and our Church .
        2.Imagine reading any of the comments here to your 15 year old son who has just told you he thinks he may be gay, or say the Our Father before reading, or imagine you are reading it to Jesus or Mary. It will be obvious to you.
        3.After reading each comment see how positive you feel about approaching someone with this same attitude regarding help with your own sins.

        • GG

          You do not want to quote because you have nothing to use as proof.

          1. Trusting in God means having the strength not to allow the devil to make you second guess every word you speak or hear. Perhaps you are scrupulous?

          2.I write this right now before our Lord and Mary. To constantly see every word as “mean” when it is in fact simply another person stating the obvious is wrong.

          3. You may want to read the life of St Pio. I am sure you will be offended. In fact, read about the the 3 little children at Fatima shown hell. You can they tell the Blessed Mother how wrong she was.

          Perhaps you need some spiritual direction? This is not the venue for such things.

          One last thing, you should think about innocent children who are having their innocence stolen from them by this gay ideology. Pope JPII called it a new ideology of evil. Perhaps he should have thought about how he said that too, right?

    • RufusChoate

      They are not children but adults and they get to go to pit because of their choices.

      Infantilizing Homosexuals and their deeds by claiming to separate the sinner from the sin is just another tact for tolerance of evil. Along with homosexuals, I don’t tolerate thieves, liars, fornicators, prideful, arrogant, adulterers and murderers in my family to protect my children from their evil contagion.

  • GaudeteMan

    Any God- fearing parent that puts their children in such schools should be trembling in their shoes as Judgement day approaches.

  • Veritas

    New martyrs. New blood. New seeds.

  • geraldine clark

    Was not able to complete comment below.)

    “(gay activists) want to reengineer western civilization into a slow extinction”
    This is too vague and could and does not represent the views of all who identify as “gay”. Specific groups or examples should be given which would represent some, and not all. Statements like this would naturally draw all gay-identified persons together and make them feel rejected by Christians, or specifically Catholics.
    If we could picture each individual gay-identified individual as our own child, as a child of God, we would be giving this message of love and hope each time we need to defend the position of the Church or answer injustice and hate slung our way.

    • JP

      Stay focused. This is not about gay victim-hood; it’s about Catholic teachers and priests having their lives ruined by gay activists and their fellow travelers.

      • geraldine clark

        We are called to be consistent in all we do. It is too easy to lash out. I think of Thomas Moor and Mother Teresa. They stood their ground and also showed love and forgiveness to even their enemies.
        We are trying to engage in free and open debate with those who do agree with us, and do not understand. When we answer with truth and no compassion, we lose the chance that anyone will listen to us. Both/and is the Church’s way, the way of Jesus. It is almost impossible to do unless we ask for the grace.

        • JP

          Geraldine, again stay focused. This isn’t about debating protocols. This piece is about It’s not about “loving ones enemies”. It’s about Catholic teachers and priests being persecuted by gay activists, and the craven response of many of our Bishops. It’s really that simple.

          • geraldine clark

            All we do must be done with respect.
            I do not claim to always succeed at this myself, but I do see this as what Jesus is asking of me.
            I have just read the original email and I understand why it would not be defended. The tone is not one of charity.
            I feel very sad about the many snide and ‘clever’ comments made on this and every other Catholic site. It gives the impression that our Church fosters arrogance and unkindness. Who would want to follow a faith which takes this approach?

            • RufusChoate

              Actually I say this frequently but will repeat it. 1.7 Billion dollars were stolen from the Church’s poor to pay for the sins of Homosexuals in the Priesthood while the church lost any credibility as a voice of morality in a broken society.

              Tolerance for respect for evil deeds by vile and evil people is not a virtue.

              • geraldine clark

                Is the virtue we need not humility?
                Is there any other way to holiness?
                Does being charitable mean we cannot not speak the truth, even suffer for it, and still see others as the Father does?
                Perhaps fear is at the basis of much of these sharp responses. We must believe that God is in control, brings good out of every situation and that sincere and good people are present on both sides of any debate. Who would have seen that St. Paul or those in the abortion industry who
                changed their minds would became Catholic? Was it truth wrapped in insults and shame thrown from us , both at them, and at each other on Catholic sites. Do the words of Catholics make the difference, no matter how faithful or factual, when we are at our worst. . When obviously we also often miss the truth – just different ones.

                • GG

                  The problem is constantly seeking offense. Our effete culture requires everyone walk on egg shells and become obsequious instead of being authentic and true.

                • RufusChoate

                  I have a unusual concept of humility for Bishops. Humbly teach the truth in season and out of season, support those who teach the truth, have courageous integrity and don’t let homosexuals in the church unless they come as penitents.

                  Salvation is a responsibility of the individual. You aren’t saved because you tell God your sin is special and attack anyone who opposes you like demons.

                  It is hilarious that Homosexual are so completely exempt from the standards of decency and civility when they are arguing for a sin that has been so destructive of the Church and the Faithful.

                  Examine what Doctors of Church have commented on Homosexuality.

                  Saint Peter Damian (1007-1072)

                  Doctor of the Church, cardinal and a great reformer of the clergy, Saint Peter Damian wrote his famous Book of Gomorrah against the inroads made by homosexuality among the clergy. He describes not only the iniquity of homosexuality, but also its psychological and moral consequences:

                  “Truly, this vice is never to be compared with any other vice because it surpasses the enormity of all vices.… It defiles everything, stains everything, pollutes everything. And as for itself, it permits nothing pure, nothing clean, nothing other than filth.…

                  “The miserable flesh burns with the heat of lust; the cold mind trembles with the rancor of suspicion; and in the heart of the miserable man chaos boils like Tartarus [Hell]…. In fact, after this most poisonous serpent once sinks its fangs into the unhappy soul, sense is snatched away, memory is borne off, the sharpness of the mind is obscured. It becomes unmindful of God and even forgetful of itself. This plague undermines the foundation of faith, weakens the strength of hope, destroys the bond of charity; it takes away justice, subverts fortitude, banishes temperance, blunts the keenness of prudence.

                  “And what more should I say since it expels the whole host of the virtues from the chamber of the human heart and introduces every barbarous vice as if the bolts of the doors were pulled out.”8

                  http://www.tfpstudentaction.org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/12-quotes-against-sodomy-that-every-catholic-should-know.html

                  • geraldine clark

                    I really like your first paragraph.
                    I would make the last sentence more general.
                    There must be an identification as male, as well as a commitment to chastity.

              • GG

                Yes, it is a confused understanding of good and evil. They put the focus only on some purported “gay” person who suddenly feels unwelcome when hearing the truth. Yet, when is thought given to the grave harm done to children and families? When is some innocent kid thought about when they are indoctrinated into believing “gay” is normal? When they are told “gay” marriage is good and a right? They do not care or think about them at all.

            • GG

              Truth is hate to those who hate truth. The truth is too many so called Catholics do not accept that “gay” ideology is evil. They do not view it as a big deal. When plain language is used they become “offended” because to them it is not that bad a thing.

              See, that is not about compassion but it does reveal the shallowness of their moral reasoning.

            • JP

              Actually Geraldine, I noticed that 100% of your comments concern those who hate, despise, and hurt the Church and those in it. Your comments are akin to complaining about the manners of a victim who suffered a beating. Your concern is reserved only for the one who beat an 80 year old lady to an inch of her life. As the victim lies comatose, you quip to her poor children that your concerned about their anger directed at the poor, unrepentant man who threw the punches.

              • geraldine clark

                My intention is to appeal to other Catholics, and to keep reminding myself, that the way we communicate counts. Looking back I do see how I sound pretty soft and idealistic, or superior. I hope am neither.
                It has taken far too long for me to see just adding to the negativity is so wrong.

                I now write to anyone I can to support the good they are doing, or
                to ensure freedom of expression, or to ask that we are people of the cross when we address others.

                I do know my faith, Padre Pio, Fatima and the population goals of various groups on this planet. I just feel badly for anyone who is being used by others to do evil. I do know that I have a higher standard for us. If our faith means anything to us, does that not make sense?

                I long for a free and open debate in many areas like this which are shut down in today’s society. I feel for those who suffer because of their faith. I admire those who do not use this pain to hurt others. to just keep praying and forgiving and working for good.I love the common
                sense, courageous and respectful approach of Archbishop Cordileone in San Francisco right now.

                For those who wrote to me about, thank you. We have taken part in debate!

              • geraldine clark

                Sorry. I just found this.
                I do expect more from us. We have been given the grace, the sacraments and so much more. And yet we identify some human beings only by their sexual orientation. We are filled with fear or loathing. Is this how the apostles went out to the unbelievers – sarcastic, hateful, cold-hearted and superior.
                I know that there are very militant and radical ideas from those who oppose the stand of our Church. And many within current media agree.
                They claim that we are arrogant, unkind, disrespectful and shaming. And they are right about many of us.Even they see that many of us do not resemble Jesus or the attitude of “in all things -love” He asked of us.
                Their seems to be a very common attitude on many of these Catholic blogs that we must chose to be obedient or loving. He commanded us to do both together. Almost impossible.
                It requires walking to closely With Him that we see all others through His eyes and His heart. They are also His children, If we reached out from this place, more of us would be given a hearing, to speak truth in love. Especially here on Catholic sites. We are called to heal the world with honest and and loving hearts,

        • RufusChoate

          More not Moor. You know that Tudor killed him while nearly every English Bishop took the oath of allegiance to Tudor as the head of the Church right?

          • geraldine clark

            Thank you! I keep getting it wrong!

          • And they enjoy being part of the floors of hell now.

            • RufusChoate

              Yes, which might be the principal reason why their Heirs wish to convince us that hell is empty.

              My Wife frequently reminds me when I am complaining about this contention of an empty hell that the Virgin at Fatima showed a Hell filled with Souls to the children.

              Our Lady to Saint Jacinta: “The sins which lead the most souls to hell are sins of the flesh.”

              What???

    • RufusChoate

      Actually review what I posted above. Homosexuality has been encourage by the Zero Population Growth movement since the 1960’s. It is both a well documented fact and valid point. Homosexuality is a sexual counterfeit that is merely one manifestation of a corrupt and evil personality. I know and have been around Homosexuals for decades and never meet a single Homosexual who was actually a well adjusted moral being. You have to be attentive to their level of immorality that extends well beyond what they do to each other in the privacy of their own home.

      80% to 90% of convicted felons engage in homosexual acts while incarcerated but no one would ever consider them Homosexuals. It is a form of moral depravity and nothing more that the practitioners wish convince us is normal to get access to children and young people.

  • “(gay activists) want to reengineer western civilization into a slow extinction.”

    What, did she think the marriage equality movement was some sinister plot to make homosexuality compulsory? Or that if Gay couples got the right to marry, millions of otherwise Straight men would divorce their wives in favor of that Fabulous Gay Lifestyle?

    It might not be “hateful,” but it sure is NUTS.

    • Objectivetruth

      This coming from a guy that knows a lot about living a lifestyle that’s NUTS!

    • RufusChoate

      It is really a shame that you don’t stay on top of your chosen sexual expression ecological benefits.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-roger-denson/is-homosexuality-populati_b_784449.html?

      The Club of Rome covered the necessity of increasing the population engaging in Homsexual acts back in the 1970’s as a necessary prerequisite for population control.

      You’re very funny when you believe that the digestive tract is a part of the reproductive tract and try to convince sane people that you know everything about your vice except how irrational and nihilistic it is.

    • GG

      It corrupts children. It mocks marriage. It is illegitimate.

      The teacher is absolutely correct and any sane person knows it.

    • Seamrog

      “What, did she think the marriage equality movement was some sinister plot to make homosexuality compulsory?”

      No, she did not remotely think that. She (correctly) understands that the attempts to change the definition of marriage is at it’s core, an attempt to destroy the traditional Mother-Father-Children family, and replace it with a God-less, self-serving affront to the order of Creation.

      It is neither ‘hateful,’ nor ‘nuts.’ It is the rationed thought of rational human trying to live in accordance with God’s will, rather than subvert it.

      I know that is inconvenient for you, and we refuse to apologize for it.

  • Why isn’t there a Change.org petition in *support* of this teacher, given that the administration has already shown they are swayed by such things?

  • Pope Francis has to speak up and repeat what he has affirmed as described above.

  • Objectivetruth

    I teach 6th grade CCD/PREP in Pennsylvania. Ive had interesting discussions with the students concerning the Ten Commandments. The kids are naturally inquisitive, and questions tangental towards divorced/remarried Catholics, going to Mass on Sunday’s. I clearly tell the children that a remarried Catholic without an annulment is committing the mortal sin of adultery. Willingly missing mass is also a mortal sin. I’ll get some shocked looks, first time they’ve heard it. I’ve always expected blowback from the student’s parents when I teach this, but so far, nothing yet. But bottom line: I’ll keep giving them the Truths of the Catholic Church, even if it’s “hard.” I think the “softball” approach of catechetical instruction has been a disaster for fifty years. The road is narrow back to the Father……

    • WRBaker

      I had a similar experience in discussing SSM/homosexuality with 8th graders in a Catholic school. Most students frankly said that their parents didn’t see anything wrong with it. We went into the pertinent Biblical passages and the students were also shocked by what they read (of course most of the parents didn’t know these passages either).
      Of course, the principal didn’t like it, nor classrooms that looked “too Catholic,” religious medals, field trips to an abbey, and “worshiping Mary too much” to name but a few.

      • Objectivetruth

        I remember someone once telling me “it’s OK to be Catholic, but don’t be TOO Catholic!”

        Literally….keep the faith, bro’!

        Keep a Catechism on your desk. Any questions or disputes, open it up and read out loud from it. The Catechism to “liberal” Catholics is like sunlight to vampires. It burns…….

        • St JD George

          John had some thoughts on that topic that he revealed to us in Revelation 3:16. Personally I don’t wish to be vomited out so yes, I have passion in following the truth, the way and the life.

        • WRBaker

          As a matter of fact, I did have a Catechism on my desk, but I was forced out by my principal and a pastor much like the Jannuzzi’s principal and bishop. This despite having my 8th grade students scoring above other students nationally in the ACRE test (religion) and at a 11th grade level in Science and a 10 grade level in Algebra in the ITBS tests.

          • Objectivetruth

            Wow…..ridiculous……sorry to hear.

          • Atilla The Possum

            Good. Grief. I’m flabbergasted! They’ll be sorry.
            I hope you followed what Christ told His Apostles: Shake the dirt off your feet and walk away.
            I’ll add: with your conscience clear, your head held high … head to San Francisco and offer your services!

            • Jim in Pittsburgh

              Flabbergasted? Really? This type of thing has been happening for over 40 years in our country. What good teachers, like the ones mentioned above and in the article need, REALLY NEED, is real, tangible support, not incredulity. If you have been truly unaware, then you’s been living in a cave. It happened to me as a Catholic grade school teacher 30 years ago, when my principal imposed heretical text books on us for the up coming school year. It was all done in the “spirit of the post Vatican II Church.” I placed a copy if Vatican II documents on the table and asked this nun, in front of the entire faculty, to show us the relevant passages that supported her position. Of course, she couldn’t. I told all assembled that we all signed contracts to uphold the teaching authority of the Cathilic Church. Rather than wait to be fired the following school year,I resigned and found another career.

              • Tony in Florida

                I was asked by the pastor to set up a Life Teen Program at our local parish. After 3 months, the high school kids were growing in their faith. They were accepting Catholic Truth. The next logical step was confession. The same pastor non-judgementally fired me. The parents couldn’t accept their children becomming true Catholics because the parents were lukewarm themselves. Very sad.

                • Jim in Pittsburgh

                  I understand. Your story, and those of others, have given me an IDEA! Why don’t we put together an anthology of similar stories? I’m sure they are legion. The purpose of this Would be two-fold: 1) to let the faithful know how bad things really are; and 2) to offer solutions. Bad news alone gets us nowhere. The good news is that, once we see how the battlefield looks, we reorganize and go on the attack. The Good News of Jesus is unbeatable!

                  I just finished reading a 600+ page tome on the Korean War( I read a lot of history.). At first, our troops were outgunned, outfought, scattered, and in full retreat. Then they got a general who had studied the enemy, respected its skill, and knew how to exploit its weaknesses. Once he was in charge, he turned a rout into a counter attack, and a counter attack into a victory. That is why there is a free and prosperous South Korea today.

                  Right now we are in an analogous situation. We are like the scattered corpses and fleeing solders rumming all over the place. It’s time to regroup and go on the offensive.

                  Don’t expect help from most of your pastors or prelates, or your CCD “experts”. Learn to help yourselves. First, let’s get the stories, compile a list of like-minded believers who are willing to study the situation, put together a plan (which will include knowing the Catechism, how to teach Scripture, and how to deal with parish and diocesan politics. When we are ready, we launch the campaign.

                  What do you think?

                  • musicacre

                    That’s the best idea I’ve seen so far….on the action side this has merit. The education part always comes first, when you want people to be passionate about a subject! Prayer en masse is the other part!

                    • Jim in Pittsburgh

                      Thank you. You are right. Prayer is the engine underpinning all good work. I didn’t mention it because I assumed it as a given. I’ll make sure not to make that omission again.

                    • Jim in Pittsburgh

                      Are you willing to help?

                  • Ron from Pittsburgh

                    Sounds like a plan!

                    • Jim in Pittsburgh

                      Thank you.

                    • Jim in Pittsburgh

                      You willing to help?

                  • MHB

                    Check out what FOCUS is doing on campuses around the country! It’s truly awesome! (Fellowship of Catholic University Students).

                    • Jim in Pittsburgh

                      FOCUS is great. All allies in the great cause are needed. But my plan is very grassroots. FOCUS can work from the top down, while we work from the bottom up.

                • Jim in Pittsburgh

                  I got the IDEA after reading your post. Are you willing to help?

              • Atilla The Possum

                Almighty God doesn’t do easy. He said so. You did the right thing but, because of the abusers of power in that school, the students are all the poorer and spiritually starved of the quality nourishment you were giving your students that those who should be doing the same were palming them off with junk food!
                Unfortunately for me, being part the generation that was mugged of the treasures of Holy Mother Church by the so-called ”Spirit of Vatican II” – it took me until fairly recently to discover that I, and many millions of near middle-aged Catholics, have been mugged, assaulted, insulted, burgled, lied to and ripped off by those who were on other vaporous spirits that are definitely NOT Vatican II. I was brought up to respect priests, nuns, bishops etc. I read the Penny Catechism when I was six, having found it at home with other books including prayer books from pre-Vatican II. Your account of the nun who knew nothing about what the Church actually teaches in Vatican II is not on her own. Full of fluff and less substance than marshmallows.
                I am angry. I am very angry. I try as much as I can to channel that anger into doing something about this anger: righteous anger – not that I wish to punch the lights out of those wanton criminals in the church who vandalised our Faith. Don’t think I’ve not been tempted, though.

                • Jim in Pittsburgh

                  No, God rarely does “easy”. Hence the crucifixion.

                  Your’s is the “lost generation” – those Catholics who were never taught the Faith, who, in your words were fed “junk food”. You use a great analogy. Junk food tastes great, satisfies immediate hunger, but in the long run (in terms of eternity) it can never fill that empty hole that can only be filled by God. At the time of my resignation I told the nun that our students hungered for meat, steak, and potatoes, but we were only offering crumbs.

                  As you say, your generation was “mugged”. As for your anger…I must confess that my Irish soul occasionally succumbed to that temptation.

                  The Penny Catechism was a great tool that sustained millions in our grandparents’ generation. I think we need a modern version today.

                  Thanks for your great response. Pray that others will rally to the cause.

                  • Atilla The Possum

                    God love you!
                    When we mention good nourishing food for the soul, he mentioned in the Gospels about giving a scorpion instead of an egg.
                    Heck! We’ve been fed scorpions by these people – nasty, bitter and poisonous food!
                    … and God help our right and just cause. I pray to the Immaculate Conception for those in the Church and outside of the Church who are the enemies of the same … that they search their hearts and souls and return to the Truth.
                    Our Lady, under the title of the Immaculate Conception, crushes the head of Satan under her foot.

                    • Atilla The Possum

                      CORRECTION: It should read ”Christ mentioned in the Gospels about giving a scorpion instead of an egg.” not ”he”.
                      Sorry about that.

                    • Jim in Pittsburgh

                      That’s ok. It was not intentional. Yes, Our Lady crushes the serpent’s head. I remember, when I was teaching, that I had no statue in my classroom depicting this. This was also the same school I attended as a child. So I went to my old 1st Grade classroom and found the same statue gathering dust, paint peeling off, in a corner. I asked the teacher if I could “borrow” it and restore it. One of my students, from a very devout family, volunteered to clean and paint it with he help of her family. She brought it back a week later beautifully restored. My students were intrigued by the statue, especially by Our Lady’s foot crushing the snake. It was a great teachable moment. The statue remained in my classroom until I resigned. Fast forward 20 years, after a restoration of some semblance of orthodoxy, my own children attended the same school. The statue was, and still is, well cared for and is crowned every May. A small victory over the powers of darkness, but I’ll take it!

                • Jim in Pittsburgh

                  Atilla, are you willing to help?

          • simplynotred

            Political correctness – equals MONEY! Follow the money, and you will see who is/is not on the take to be politically correct. Trouble is almost all Catholic bishops are on the take for Federal Money now. True. I am not sure about the pope however, There was once a time when Catholics would reject an unworthy ordinary by force.

            Hundreds of demonstrators dressed in black barged into a cathedral in a city in southern Chile on Saturday and interrupted the installation ceremony for the city’s new Roman Catholic bishop, Juan Barros, whom they accuse of complicity in a notorious case of clerical sexual abuse, blocking his passage and shouting, “Barros, get out of the city!”

            The scene inside the Cathedral San Mateo de Osorno was chaotic, with television images showing clashes between Barros opponents, carrying black balloons, and Barros supporters, carrying white ones. Radio reports said several protesters tried to climb onto the altar where Bishop Barros was standing. After the ceremony, he left the cathedral through a side door escorted by police special forces. Outside, about 3,000 people, including local politicians and members of Congress, held signs and chanted demands that he resign.

            How does the Pope defend this bishop’s appointment in the face of such scandal and outrage? Is there no statement, no indication of any change? Isn’t this the People’s Pope, close to the poor, the outcast, the suffering, and the little guy?

            Weeks of protests, candlelight vigils and letters to Pope Francis were not enough to persuade him to rescind his decision in January to appoint Bishop Barros to lead the Diocese of Osorno, 570 miles south of the capital, Santiago. Bishop Barros was a close associate of the Rev. Fernando Karadima, a prominent Santiago priest whom the Vatican found guilty of sexual abuse in 2011. Father Karadima, now 84, was ordered to retire to a “life of prayer and penitence.”

            How many such bishops do we suffer with every day around the world and make no peep of protest? Does the FrancisChurch care what kind of depravity and oppression they foist on us in the name of ‘going forward, ever forward?’

            Will this Bishop Barros be a force for good in his diocese or a destroyer of it? Who am I to judge?

            • standtall909

              First of all, if you could, you need to send a link of this story to one of the faithful Catholic Bloggers…..maybe Pewsitter or someone. I had not yet heard or seen this story. Last I heard, Pope Francis wasn’t going to budge on the installation. This is a new story that I haven’t yet seen on the blogs and I am daily on the main ones.

              God Bless these faithful people who have ‘TRUE GRIT’ for the true faith.

              Second of all Pope Francis scares me to death. How can anyone get a handle on him? He’s orthodox one minute and then turns around and says something completely off the wall! Like ‘non Catholic’ off the wall. The display of schizophrenia like proclamations is unreal. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. I will NEVER understand where exactly he’s coming from. And then he’s never clear in his messages. Who are these ‘pharisees’ who are too rigid with the rules that he keeps railing on? He NEVER says who he’s referring to but he refers to the ‘pharisees’ at least weekly. I do think with all the roller coaster theology, it does embolden the modernist clergy even more so than they have been in the past 40 odd years. They have been ‘ratcheting it up’ just a notch. No need for them to worry about reprimands, they figure there will be none. It’s a very bad situation the Church is in now, it’s gone from bad to worse.

          • Juana Oner

            Your post reminds me of the passage in St John where he says that people preferred the darkness to the light because their works were evil… It is really sad, truly pitifully sad, when supposed Catholics attack their own faith and those who uphold it. One can more easily understand when we’re attacked by non-Catholics, but being attacked by Catholics (or people who think they are Catholic – apparently they don’t know what the word means) is just crazy.

        • Atilla The Possum

          Yay! Those Church of Nicey-Niceys HATE ANYTHING TRULY CATHOLIC .. and that includes the Truth of the Catholic Church!
          And while we’re is at it, have a crucifix on the desk, a statue of Our Lady, wear a holy medal or two round one’s neck and a picture of the pope on the wall!
          And if there are any objections, tell the objectors in words of one syllable:
          TOUGH!

          • standtall909

            And not just any ‘crucifix’, he needs to be sporting a ‘St. Benedict Crucifix’ to help fight the EVIL. And a nice statue of St. Michael the Archangel! That would help as well. Just don’t forget the Blessed Mother, she is the one that will some day crush the head of Satan. We need to get our heavenly army going on here, they can help bolster us in battle we find ourselves in……..WITHIN the Church of Christ, no less!!

            Oh yes, and have everything Blessed…….that is if you can find a faithful Priest to do it.

            • Atilla The Possum

              Right on! I wear one all the time round my neck.
              It would be a great idea if Catholic parishes invest in a job lot of both the Miraculous Medal, The Pardon Crucifix and The Saint Benedict Medal, perform solemn blessing of them at Mass and distribute them to all at Mass – especially to children/catechumens at their Baptism!
              The Medal of St Benedict is one of the most powerful sacramental in the Church – so much so that it has a Rite of Blessing of its own (just like the Miraculous Medal) – where even the raw material used in the stamping and manufacture of this medal is exorcised!
              I have a small metal statue of St. Michael the Archangel which I bought in Lourdes – he is wearing a crown and his sword is held aloft, ready for the kill, standing on the Father of LIes!
              Our Blessed Lady, as terrible as an army in battle array, crushing the serpent beneath her feet! O Mary Conceived Without Sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee and for those who have not recourse to thee; especially for the enemies within and outside of the Church and for those who are commended to thee!
              Our Lady saw off the Devil at Lourdes with one look of her eyes when St. Bernadette was tormented by Ole Red Legs and she called upon Our Lady to help her.
              It is well-known that the Devil is not far behind a genuine apparition of Our Lady. It tests the faith and resolve of the visionary.
              Look to Our Lady with the same faith as St. Bernadette and one look from her eyes will send the Devil packing … if only we give it a try and shame those who laugh at the idea.

              • WRBaker

                I used to give the whole school different medals every other year, including the Miraculous Medal (one year I found it in Latin and haven’t seen it since).
                When I was younger, it wasn’t unusual for medals to also have something like: “I am a Catholic. In case of serious accident please call a priest” on the back. I had a hard time finding one a few years ago, but it was the last one I bought for everyone when I had to stop teaching.
                (I collect Holy Cards, too, and would do the same thing on the other years.)
                Students do like them and I’ll bet if room parents would get together, they could easily do something similar.

                • Atilla The Possum

                  I, too, have been searching for the medals with ‘I am a Catholic …’ ever since I misplaced the one that I was given for my Confirmation almost 40 years ago! The only ones I found at the back of Church piety stalls and online were either in sterling silver, an expensive higher carat gold or a poor quality metal that rusted.
                  The Miraculous Medal, with the prayer in Latin around the edge, is available from online Catholic stores (use your favourite search engine and type in Catholic stores). If you find them, ensure you use the ”zoom” facility to check out that they have ALL the details on the obverse and reverse (details like the prayers, the rays from Our Lady’s hands, the M and cross, the whole 12 stars etc.). You’d be surprised how some details on medals are either badly reproduced or the essential details are missing altogether.
                  My own 9ct gold Miraculous Medal has the Latin inscription round it. According to priest exorcists, the Devil HATES Latin.
                  God bless!

                  • WRBaker

                    I would spend a couple of days on the MM, going through the Apparition of Our Lady in Paris. I had enlargements of the medal, separate front and back, that I would have the students color and then paste together – this allowed us to discuss the 12 stars, the snake and the words around the front, etc. It also served as one element of having too Catholic of a classroom when I hung them around the room.

                    • Atilla The Possum

                      Great stuff! Now, that would be worth photographing and I bet your students loved every minute of your lessons.
                      As you already know, the symbols of both the front and back are steeped in both the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible.
                      It’s incredible how many Catholics just see the MM as a beautiful medal (which it is, without any shadow of a doubt) but the symbolism and their eternal message is a very powerful statement of our Faith. Plus, it is designed by Our Lady – a design that no mortal human could ever come up with off their own bat, no matter how imaginative or innovative the artist.
                      Children LOVE these kind of things – that’s what the liberals don’t like and vehemently dismiss as ‘old hat’ and all the rest of it … and, in your case, bully and argue the toss until you have not breath left because they do not wish to listen to the Truth.

              • standtall909

                Pretty much the crux of the entire problem that we now have in the Church of Christ is that our Priests have lost the sense of the spiritual, mystical beauty of our faith. I guess I could go even further and say a good number of them in essence have ‘lost the faith entirely’. Jesus have mercy on us.

                • Deacon Frank Osgood

                  Oh, that may be true where you are. But I assure you, out here in the land of progressives in power (CA)’ our priests stand tall in defense of the Gospel

                  • Dan

                    I guess it depends on the parish where one attends church. The story goes that a young, faithful priest of the Carmelite Order was invited to celebrate Mass at a parish down the street run by priests of the Los Angeles archdiocese. He was asked not to return after that day. He evidently spoke of sin and hell as well as redemption and this not approved of.

            • Stephanie

              There maybe some not so good Priest but thank God, I’ve had the pleasure of meeting excellent Priest who serve the faithful well. Oh, and, look over there, it’s a mirror.

        • AMEN

      • musicacre

        They’ve been protestantized..

      • Atilla The Possum

        50 years of lunacy, falsehoods, daylight robbery of our rightful and sacred Tradition from the so-called ”Spirit of Vatican II” and the wonton vandalism it’s caused summed up in the following two words: Too Catholic!
        How, in the name of All That Is Holy, is anything – ANYTHING! – Too Catholic?
        If one described a Jewish school with Shields/Stars of David, Hebrew scripts, boys wearing kippahs (skull caps), a menorah in every class room etc. etc. as ”Too Jewish”, you’d be accused of ”offending people”!
        The same goes with ”Too Muslim” (too many arrows pointing in the direction of Quibla, Koranic scripts written in Arabic, girls wearing hijabs etc.). ”Too Hindu” (i.e. too many gods, smoking jossticks, saris etc.) or ”Too Buddhist” (too many prayer flags, prayer wheels, statues of Buddha in different poses, boys and girls with shaven heads wearing saffron) or ”Too Sikh” (a room set aside for their holy book, pictures of Guru Nanak Ji, boys wearing turbans, steel bangles and knives about their person, pictures of the Golden Temple of Amritsar etc.)???
        See how potty it is?

        • musicacre

          Haha! good point!

      • Mike W

        Its a sin to worship Mary at all.

        • Arkwright’s Atomic Cash Till

          That displays the ignorance of that supposedly educated school Principal. We don’t worship Mary. We ask her intercession when we pray.
          No wonder kids are pretty screwed when it comes to these matters!

          • WRBaker

            How about changing the words to the song, “As I kneel before Thee” for May Crowning or never having heard of the Memorare. I wasn’t allowed to teach altar serving anymore, either. I can only surmise it was the lack of Catholicism that a Jesuit university gives today to theology students getting their master’s degree(!).

            • Atilla The Possum

              I went to a May Crowing which was well received and which delighted the primary school children in my current parish when it was decided to bring the tradition back.
              You are in my prayers, WRBaker.

              • jcsmitty

                It’s crowning with an “n,” people.

            • Atilla The Possum

              That soppy ditty, ‘As I Kneel Before You’, should be replaced by the more majestic ‘Hail Queen of Heaven!’ in the hymnals on these occasions. The Memorare is a beautiful prayer that I always include at the conclusion of the Holy Rosary.
              Oh, as for Jesuits … there is a lack of authentic Catholicism in many of their confreres because they have neither supernatural faith, have issues concerning the flesh … or they simply don’t follow Church Teaching as they should.
              Even the Jesuits near me pale into nothing compared with my favourites – the Oratorians!

          • Mike W

            Quite correct. I was responding to WRBakers comment about “worshiping Mary too much” although the term used in the scriptures means “to bow down to” which should be considered. Nothing should get in the was of us worshiping God.

            • Micha Elyi

              Nothing should get in the way of us worshiping God. See Rev 19:10.
              –Mike W

              You’re letting your ignorance of the Mother of God and your fright at the idea of honoring her get in the way of your worship of God. You can’t be seriously be a friend of anyone whose kind, good, and chaste mother you resent.

              Bottom line: if you knew you Bible (far, far beyond a few proof texts) you’d be a Catholic Christian.

              Try again.

              • Mike W

                I am not Roman Catholic so please don’t be harsh but the meaning in the original is what counts and of course, God has no mother. We should obviously honour all saints including Mary. Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity and was there from the beginning – Mary was not.

                When you pray, if you have a case, there is absolutely nothing wrong with dealing with Jesus directly – has He ever shown Himself to not be compassionate? From what I know of Mary, if you don’t have a case then I am quire sure she would be telling you to see Jesus anyway. There really is no point in trying to influence Mary to try to influence Jesus.

                Just as John was tempted to bow down in Rev 19:10 when he shouldn’t so can we but it should not be done. There is a difference between honouring and worshiping and we need to be careful if the distinction.

                • Objectivetruth

                  Where do you claim your divinely given authority comes from to disagree with the Catholic Church’s teachings? Can you show me where Christ gave you the ability to “bind and loose?”

                  • Mike W

                    I meant no disrespect for the Catholic Church which I believe does a fantastic job and I know and love quite a few Catholics. I wouldn’t be on this web page if I didn’t. The only abilities and authority I have are those over evil which are those which God gives to all His children who love Him and keep His commandments.

                    You have to admit, however, when you have Catholic priests in Ireland, for example, promoting homosexual “marriage”, homosexual advocates marching in the St Patrick’s day parade, Catholic schools sacking a woman for standing up for what the Holy Bible says etc., you have a problem to deal with and i don’t think creating artificial divisions with those who largely agree with you, is going to help.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      “The only abilities and authority I have are those over evil which are those which God gives to all His children who love Him and keep His commandments.”

                      So you have no authority to dispute Catholic doctrine, correct? In other words, because Christ did not specifically give you personally authority to teach in His name, your “interpretations” of Christ’s teachings and holy scripture can be erroneous.

                      Christ, the founder of the Catholic Church, only has the authority from Him to correctly teach on faith and morals.

                    • Mike W

                      Quite correct – it would be stupid to say I did. As a human being I am completely fallibly and have incomplete knowledge and I am sure the hierarchy of The Catholic Church knows that of themselves too but they, in my humble opinion, are to be commended for working the issues through and very consistently getting things correct.

                      I do, however, reserve the right to do my best to warn people to not worship anyone but God. If you want to quibble about the meaning of “worship” that is your decision but I’m pretty sure I know what it means and it would be remiss of me not to warn.

                    • jcsmitty

                      The Catholic bible is free on the Internet.
                      I may have missed the discussion over the word “worship,” but if it is a synonym for “Adore” then yes, we only adore God. We do, however, venerate and honor Mary, God’s masterpiece, Who is “full of grace.” (Luke)

                    • jacobum

                      With all respect, goodwill, friendship and sincerity to you, The truth is that, unfortunately, the divisions are not artificial. They are real. The problem is that since V2, they have been ignored i/n/o a False use of “Ecumenism” which has created untold confusion among the Catholic faithful and well meaning Christians everywhere. Reason? The Truth resides in the RCC. It is a dogma that there is “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church”. V2 and the Conciliar Popes have not denied it. They have all just ignored it and instead preached what in effect is “indifferentism” However, it still does not change the Truth that it has been consistently and officially condemned by several Pre V2 Popes as a heresy.

                      St Thomas Aquinas said it best when he said….”Truth Himself Speaks Truly or There is Nothing That is True”

                      The current crisis is the greatest since “Arianism” Furthermore, it should not be a surprise. It was warned about and predicted to happen in the late 20th Century by an approved apparition of the BVM appearing as Our Lady of Good Success at Quito, Ecuador in the mid 16th Century. Subsequent approved apparitions of the BVM at LaSalette, France (1846); Fatima, Portugal (1917); and Akita, Japan (1973) all delivered the same warning message…”Apostasy within the Church at the Top”. The wheels came off with V2, the first and only Non-Dogmatic Council (out of 21 Councils) in the history of the Church. V2 was a “Pastoral Council” which gave rise to the infamous, non-defined term..”In the Spirit of V2″ under which untold abuses of the Truth, Traditions and Liturgy of the Church have been and continue to be committed as we speak.
                      If one is interested in knowing the historical truths of the RCC one could not do better than to read the following 2 Catechisms. The first is from the infallible Council of Trent and the second is from Pope Pius X which is directed to the Laity in simple and direct language.
                      (1) http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm
                      (2) http://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM
                      The clarity is striking in comparison to the nonsense we are/and have been/and continue to be subjected to for the last 50+ years. I trust they will be helpful. Take Care and God Bless.

                    • Mike W

                      Thank you but I can’t really blame the hierarchy. They are responsible for the souls of those under their care and given the recent problems you can see why they would not want to take any risks. Clearly it is very easy for people to be lead astray and if they say I am not saved then I may have to take my chances. You can only deal with what you are given. They have the additional problems of the daily administration to contend with as well.

                      According to Revelation there must be at least 144,000 non-Catholics who are saved including Moses, Elijah etc.

                      The apologetics link seems to be broken too.

                    • jacobum

                      Just tried the links and they were working. Listed them again below. Try highlighting, right click and open in a new tab. Should work. The second takes a little longer to open.

                      http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/trentc.htm

                      http://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM

                      Too late to address now. But I leave you with 2 questions for your consideration; (1) Where did the Bible Come From? (2) Who has the authority to interpret it? Take Care. The links should work.

                    • Mike W

                      Thanks. I tried the link again but still no connection. Are you sure you are not accessing it on an intranet and not the internet?

                      The other one looked good and I am trying to read it between being accused here.

                      Where did the Bible come from? You could write a book but I’m interested in your perspective. It’s not really something you can say in a few lines.

                      It’s my life on the line so I have to take responsibility for how I interpret it but I much prefer people who respectfully disagree and give me something to learn from instead of putting words in my mouth and putting up straw man arguments.

                      God Bless.

                    • jacobum

                      Couple more links for you that hopefully will work. First one includes catechisms from Aquinas, Trent etc: side by side links:
                      http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/master2.htm

                      Next: Catholic Encyclopedia
                      http://www.catholicity.com/encyclopedia/

                      Next: Catholic Bible side by side in, Latin, English, Greek
                      http://newadvent.org/bible/gen001.htm

                      Finally: Where the Bible Came From Pdf
                      http://catecheticsonline.com/OTHER/whereBible.pdf

                      Will answer and raise a lot of questions.
                      Take care, God Bless
                      Trust you can open the above.

                    • kathleen

                      Check out what Dr. Scott Hahn has to say about the Catholic Church. And also, Cardinal Henry J. Newman’s writings. Both converts from Protestantism. There are many others I could recommend too. Check also Coming Home Network. You are quite right about the abhorrent situation in the Catholic Church today where we have too many clergy who are not faithful to their mission. Jesus will sort it out. Remember, he told Peter – “the gates of Hell shall not prevail”… After 2000 years the Church is still standing and will be here when Gabriel blows his horn.

                    • pbecke

                      You have to see us as one big, ever so slightly crazy family, Mike. You’ll understand us a lot better. Cradle Catholic don’t see it, of course, but as an agnostic adolescent, I do – and I wouldn’t have it different for all the tea in China.

                      Even in that most formal worship, the liturgy, we often ask God, to ask Our Lady or one or more of the saints to pray to God for us ‘through Christ Or Lord. Amen’ ‘Round the houses’ and ‘the more, the merrier’ spring to mind.

                      That last bit, ending ‘Through Christ Our Lord’, is very important, if Protestants are to understand that we don’t divert prayers away from God, we seek to use ‘boosters’, ‘friends in court’, in fact, other family members. And who better than the mother who asked her son to change the water into wine for the newly-wed couple, peasant villagers such as themselves. I believe they’re thought to have been relatives of James the Less.

                • Gail Finke

                  The Catholic and the Orthodox faiths say that yes, God had a mother — the Greek is “theotokos,” or “God-bearer.” It was a very big deal in the early Church, and the reason the title, and the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary, were kept by the Church was that the scholars at the time determined that they both dated to the apostles. When Christ was in Mary’s womb he was God, not a human body that God entered later, or some other such thing. He preexisted her, but she was still His mother because what you do to the human Christ you also do to the divine Christ. That’s our position on it, so you know.

                  That said, no Catholic anywhere or any time HAS to pray to Mary even once for her intercession. You can be a faithful Catholic for your whole life and never do it.

                  • Mike W

                    Yes I would much prefer the term “God Bearer” to “Mother of God”. It is far more accurate and less confusing but I know traditions tend to last.

                    My wife’s Aunt is a nun and she explained much of this to me too.

                    • Anthony Connor

                      As you may know, when we say the rosary, it includes, “Holy Mary Mother of God…”. “God Bearer” to me, sounds ridiculous.

                    • Mike W

                      Yes I think “Bearer of God” would be more respectful while still retaining accuracy but this is all conjecture. The church has enough issues to contend with.

                    • pbecke

                      Don’t underestimate the significance and degree of honour bestowed on us as ‘other Christs’, Mike.

                • Guest

                  If God has no mother, in whose bossom was Jesus formed?

                  • Mike W

                    Jesus was with the Father from the beginning. This is why Genesis says “Let us make man in our image.”

                    • LarryCicero

                      How do you know He wasn’t talking to the angels?

                    • Mike W

                      We are not made in the image of the angels. I think that may actually be similar to Jewish doctrine and the difficulty they have in dealing with the term for God (Elohim) being plural.

                    • jcsmitty

                      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.”–John 1:3.” …And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.”–John 1:14

                  • Mike W

                    Jesus was with the Father from the beginning. That is why Genesis says “Let us make man in our image.”

                    • pbecke

                      Not as true God and true man, Mike.

                • Jacob Suggs

                  Jesus is God. Mary is Jesus’s mother. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.

                  Obviously Mary is not the source of the Son’s eternal existence, but that is not what the phrase “mother of God,” as it has been used since ancient times, means. You are of course free to argue against an interpretation of Mary as the mother of God that no one holds to be true, but that won’t accomplish much.

                  • pbecke

                    Yes, our adoption as other Christs into his Mystical Body, the Vine, makes good our divine deficiency. And Mary doesn’t cease to be as cherished and close to Jesus in heaven. I even wonder, if ‘revered’, might be appropriate.

                • RufusChoate

                  Please just go away, you’re tedious and boring with a malformed understanding both Theology and Christianity.
                  You have nothing to offer any one here except dull witted Protestant gibberish.

                  • The_Bustle_in_Your_Hedgerow

                    That’s helpful. Nice. Exactly how Jesus would want someone who’s ignorant of the Truth to be treated.

                    • RufusChoate

                      Thanks that was very good of you to point out. Have a pleasant and prosperous day.

                  • pbecke

                    Get lost, you rude twerp. I wonder how many people you’ve driven from the faith – even on a good day.

                    • RufusChoate

                      I always attempt to analyze the posts of people who comment like you did to apprehend what and who I am dealing with. Sorry but you’re just not that interesting or intelligent to mock while your comments to the evangelical Protestant and his inanities are comically juvenile.

                    • pbecke

                      Splendid! No need to apologize. It’s a blessing, I’m sure.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      Rufus is correct.

                      There are Protestants that come here who ignorantly (in a subtle, and not so subtle way) attack the Catholic Church. They are not here for Truth or conversion, but only to attack. Their tactics are predictable and boorish.

                    • pbecke

                      Well, I’m sorry to hear that, but glad that Red has been vindicated.

                • The_Bustle_in_Your_Hedgerow

                  Mike W., please read this page: http://www.fisheaters.com/mary.html

                • pbecke

                  No, Mike. the original meaning is not what counts. Definitely not.

                  Language is a living thing. French intellectuals set up an academy, to impose what they considered correct usage of words. People have ignored them.

                  If they want to use English words, le weekend’, le hairdresser (very posh… not common like ‘coiffeur’! … Hilarious! English words are posh to them; French words, posh to us.

                • jcsmitty

                  Jesus set an example for all of us, following the ten commandments–one of which was to “honor your father and your mother.” If Jesus loved and honored his mother, what makes you think he would be offended if you loved and honored her too? It was she who gave him his body, a body to be crucified so that we could be saved from our sins. It was Jesus himself who gave Mary to us as our mother, too, from the cross. We honor Mary because she was the perfect disciple, giving herself totally to the will of God. “All generations shall call me blessed,” she says to Elisabeth in the gospel of Luke. “Do whatever he tells you,” she instructs the waiters at the Wedding Feast of Cana. She is a creature of God and not divine, but she always points to her divine son, so she is, indeed, the mother of God. To say otherwise is to deny that Jesus Christ is God.

            • Arkwright’s Atomic Cash Till

              I apologise unreservedly if you thought my ‘ignorance slur’ was pointed at you. It was reiterating the point about the ignorance of so-called ”trustworthy educators” like those School Principals/Head Teachers who promote this confusion which is forceful in the more hardline Protestantism such as Calvinism.
              But the ludicrous view of ”worshipping Mary” in supposedly Catholic schools? Something seriously wrong, here!
              Here’s the thing. The now-retired head teacher of my local Catholic primary school always believed in having as many images of Our Lord, Our Lady and the saints around the school to educate the children about the faith of the school. He had children of other faiths – albeit a small number – who didn’t mind this at all because they knew they were being educated in a Catholic School with a Catholic ethos. It always came in the Top 10 of all the primary schools in the council area.
              He worried that these images would end up ‘in a skip’, once he retired. I’m not certain what the latest is but … there is still the traditional May Crowing of the statue of Our Lady in my current parish church and the standards haven’t slipped.

            • kathleen

              Good Catholics who know the Scriptures and the teachings of the Catholic Church do not worship Mary, we honor Our Lady who, by the way, is called Mother of the Church – one of her many titles. Get your Catechism out and read what it has to say about the Blessed Virgin Mary. We worship God alone. Don’t let the Protestants who may be in your midst, and who, unfortunately, have been led astray regarding the Blessed Mother, lead YOU astray with regard to the honor we owe Mary – the mother of Jesus – the mother of God. Mary, Mother of the Church, pray for us.

              • jcsmitty

                What is so interesting in this discussion is that Martin Luther, John Calvin and other reformers had great devotion to Mary, but as the Protestant rebellion advanced, their followers kept throwing the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. They tried to be less and less “Catholic,” and that meant as the years went by Protestants did all they could to distance themselves from Mary, the sacraments and the Real Presence. We now have something like 25,000 Protestant denominations because they kept dividing and dividing over the teachings in the bible. Without accepting the authority of the Catholic Church, there was no longer any authority to define what was to be believed. They even forgot who gave them the bible in the first place.

        • That’s why we don’t do it. The quotes were indicative of the ignorance of the statement.

        • Micha Elyi

          An older but not extinct use of the word ‘worship’ means ‘honor’.

          So you are claiming it is a sin to honor Mary.

          Try again.

          • Mike W

            No that is complete spin. I am saying there is a difference between honoring and worshiping otherwise we would not be permitted to honor anyone and people really should find out for themselves what that difference is. You are just trying to put words in my mouth but I maintain that worship means to bow down to and we can honor people in other ways besides which in the words of the Holy bible:-

            Luk 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
            Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

            I am quite certain Mary will not hold it against anyone who does not bow down to her or her image.

            • Bruno

              If you want to understand why the veneration of Mary is licit and good, and has been so understood by Christendom for 1600 years with no dissent, there are tons of writings of the Church Fathers to which you could have recourse.

              Not wanting to make a better case than they did, but assuming that you won’t seek them as you should, let me just give you some thought:

              Why is idolatry forbidden? Isn’t it so that man may know and act in truth, for truth demands man to love and worship the One True God?

              Pray tell me, in what context would the veneration or honoring or asking for the intercession of Mary divert any man from the One True God? Is not her honorable state due only to the fact that she bore Him, loved Him, and obeyed Him? Does she not derive all her honor and graciousness from Him? So in what possible scenario do you think that someone asking for the intercession of Mary, or praising her virtue, would be led astray from God?

              • Mike W

                I believe that both God and Mary want you to deal directly with Him. Communion with God directly is a privilege all Christians share through the blood of Jesus.

                Idolatry is forbidden because, to use our terms, God is a jealous God or to be more precise, God is the only one who is worthy. To worship anyone else is simply unjust and disrespectful and thereby, sinful. It is not only that no one can be permitted to share God’s throne it is actually impossible for anyone to do so.

                • Chris Cloutier

                  No true Catholic worships or adores Mary, nor do we bow down to her. However, every Catholic should venerate her as the Mother of Jesus Christ, in all his divine and human nature. This has been settled by 2000 years of Church teaching, through the Bible, tradition, and the magisterium as represented by the Pope, whose authority comes in a direct and continuous line from Jesus Christ himself, through Peter. There is a distinction between worship and veneration that you are missing, and for you to continuously refer to it as idolatry is offensive. Which authority do you cite for this? Which of the 33000 or so protestant denominations are you using as an authority?

                  • Mike W

                    No its the distinction between veneration and worship that i am trying to make – perhaps a little obtusely. I am not accusing anyone of idolatry and I had no intention of making that accusation, That is God’s decision alone – not mine, I’m just warning not to bow down and worship Mary (or anyone else) as, apparently, is Catholic doctrine anyway – so why am I being accused? My original statement that worshiping Mary is sin is in fact correct as you just appeared to agree. My only authority is my relationship with God. I do not represent anyone else and this whole thread is completely off topic anyway.

                    I really don’t think you appreciate the battle we are in. The people who are most likely to be considered idolatrous are those who put man’s thinking before God’s instruction. I didn’t even use the word.

                    • jcsmitty

                      Thank you for acknowledging that “not to bow down and worship Mary” is apparently “Catholic doctrine anyway.” Glad we all agree.

                • Bruno

                  When the people of Israel roamed through the desert and cursed God, and were bitten by snakes, what did they do? Did they not ask Moses to intercede for them? Did God neglect their plea of forgiveness, on account of their “idolatrous” recourse to Moses? Check it out, your Scripture is the same as mine (it’s in the book of Numbers).

                  When the Lord was at the wedding feast in Canaan, and there was no water, who was it that asked Him that something be done? Did He neglect the pleading of his mother, which would otherwise not have been made to Him? Did He say, “Woman, if they want me to do something, let they ask me themselves”?

                  –x–

                  And then you throw “idolatry” at me. Is praying for Mary’s intercession, praising her saintliness and beauty, is that akin to building a golden calf, worshiping the local stone by the creek, sacrificing children to moloch? Is it the same thing, does it serve the same purpose, does it lead to the same outcome? Listen, Mary is honored for two millenia now – does it seem to you as if Catholics no longer worship God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost? Has Mary led them astray?

                  It is much to the contrary, isn’t it? Aren’t there even Pentecostals these days who deny the Trinity?

                  Why then, do you say, that honoring Mary is idolatry?

                • Objectivetruth

                  Honoring Mary is not idolatry. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Like I’ve told you before, you have no divine authority to pick up the bible (which is Catholic oral tradition written down), and start interpreting it according your biased opinion.

                  You are making erroneous and incorrect assumptions and opinions concerning Christ, His teachings, and His Church.

                  • Mike W

                    You have absolutely no right to stop me from picking up the Holy Bible which is around two thirds Jewish anyway. Are you saying the Jews should prevent you from reading the Old Testament? Are you really saying we should go back to when laity did not have access to the written word? Do you really think that is God’s will? if so you are worse off than I thought and may God have mercy on your soul. You fail to understand that the enemy of mankind is the Devil, not me or people like me and it is he who is turning people against each other because of his hatred for us. I interpret the Holy Bible as the Holy Spirit leads me – nothing else. If you want to use your traditions to make false accusations against me I cannot stop you but we will all stand before the throne on judgment day and all lies will be revealed.

                    My opinion is based solely on the term “worship”. When did I say that honoring Mary was idolatry? I am simply telling you what Mary would herself.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      Where am I telling you not to read the bible?

                      “Two thirds Jewish anyway.” The Old Testament has been fulfilled. It’s proper usage and interpretation is of the Catholic Church’s.

                      “When laity did not have access to the written word.” Are you trying to trot out the old false narrative that the Church kept scripture from the people? If you are, where are you getting your Church history from, Chick Publications?

                      The Catholic Church doctrinally teaches that Mary is the Mother of God. You claim she isn’t. You are wrong, the Church is right. See how teaching authority works?

                    • The_Bustle_in_Your_Hedgerow

                      Reading Sacred Scripture is good — if you know what you’re doing. The problem is that Protestants read the Bible without the mind of the Church. Do you, for ex., know what is meant by “first-born” in the Bible and how it refers to Jesus and the Old Law? Not knowing that simple fact is how so many Protestants came, erroneously, to believe that Mary had more children. That is just ONE example of MANY examples of what can go wrong if you use Sola Scriptura as your guiding principle — especially when you read the Bible without knowing HOW to read it.

                    • jcsmitty

                      It seems to me that you are seeking understanding rather than itching for a fight, Mike. So consider this: the books of the New Testament weren’t written down until AD 64 and after when the apostles were dying off and realized they needed to preserve the gospels in writing. Oral tradition and the early church preceded the bible. So those who believe in sola scriptura (the bible alone) risk getting the wrong interpretation when they read the bible without the benefit of an authority (the church’s magisterium) behind it. If the Holy Spirit is supposed to lead every single individual who reads the bible, then please explain why there are 25,000 or more protestant denominations? Some of them don’t believe in baptism and some do. Some of those who believe in baptism argue whether immersion is necessary and some don’t. Some believe in the trinity and some don’t. Some believe in the real presence and some don’t. If the Holy Spirit is guiding each of you, why can’t you agree?

                • Atilla The Possum

                  In the family, don’t we always go to our mothers if we want or need something and she says, ‘I’ll go have a word with your dad about it.” or it’s best coming from your mum if you want to, say, borrow your elder brother’s car?
                  That is the role of Our Blessed Lady. She intercedes with her Son on our behalf.
                  Don’t you understand that much? Or that the words of the Ave Maria is in the New Testament in the Gospel of Luke – one of the gospel writers who was closer to Mary, hence the details of the above.

                • pbecke

                  You really don’t get how very keen on family, God the Holy Trinity is, Mike. He’s not into autocracy at all, despite appearances to the contrary in the Old Testament.. Nepotism? Well… I’m not saying anything…

                • jcsmitty

                  Catholics don’t “worship” Mary or give to her the adoration due to God alone. You need to learn the difference between worship/adoration and honor/respect. Would I be dishonoring you if I respected your mother??? Would it take away from you to honor your mother?

              • jcsmitty

                Good points, Bruno. Mary is God’s masterpiece. What artist wouldn’t be pleased to have his masterpiece admired? Also, God loves to work through his creation, which is why we “put on Christ” so we can do God’s will towards our brothers and sisters. I don’t understand why protestants think they are all alone, “Jesus and me,” without taking in the entire family of God that includes his mother.

            • The_Bustle_in_Your_Hedgerow

              It isn’t spin at all. Even traditional wedding vow used the phrasing, “With my body, I thee worship” — spoken by the bride and groom to each other. Catholics divide the honor given to God and the Saints into different levels. There are latria, dulia, and hyperdulia. Latria is for the Trinity alone. Dulia is for the Saints, and hyperdulia is for Mary, the greatest of Saints.Mary is not honored in the same way God is honored, plain and simple.

            • jcsmitty

              Mary points to her Son, Jesus Christ, never to herself. In the verse you quote, Jesus is really honoring Mary who “heard the word of God and kept it.” “Blessed is she who believed that the promises made her would be fulfilled.” (Luke)

        • RufusChoate

          This isn’t about theology but grammar. The comment is in quotes which indicates it was said by someone counter to WRBaker for polemic effect not an accurate portrayal of doctrine.

          The Church existed before the Bible in spite of horrific persecutions for 375 years which is a little less than the entire existance of Protestant “churches” but if you don’t faithfully follow the 16th century theology of Luther, Zwingli, Calvin and Tudor, your creed is already extinct and no Protestant interprets scripture as they did.

          • Mike W

            Yes I understand the grammar and the history. After my reception here I
            might just “go away” but before I go may I pray that you are able to get
            justice for this woman who obviously does not deserve to lose her job
            under these circumstances. You can flout the history of the Catholic
            church all you want but you must understand we are in a time of shaking
            and it appears that Catholic church, unsurprisingly, is not immune as
            this article is evidence and which is admitted anyway. When you have
            reasonably senior members of the Catholic church promoting sin I think
            many of the laity can well see there is something amiss. I have not come
            as some subversive, iconoclastic Protestant, but simply someone who
            holds marriage to be sacred and is looking at what is causing the
            problem and saw the good work some within the Catholic church are doing
            and was interested. I first came across the problems with homosexuality
            in the Catholic church around thirty years ago when I met a brother from
            a monastery who was trying to escape the homosexuality that was apparently rife back then.
            It would seem that not enough has been done and the problems have come
            to fruition. This is clearly a major conundrum for the church and I wish you nothing but well in your efforts to sort it out. God Bless.

            • jcsmitty

              Even Jesus had his Judas, Mike. When you look at all the scandals, persecutions and heresies that have beset the church over 2000 years, you have to believe that without the Holy Spirit it would have been destroyed a long time ago. Fortunately, we have the promise of Christ himself that he has built his church upon Peter (and his successors), and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Jesus will be with his church until the end of time.

        • standtall909

          Who pray tell is ‘worshiping’ Mary?

      • somebigguy

        God help us.

      • Juana Oner

        I think the parents don’t see anything wrong with it because they are all using birth control and that is already neutered sex, so they no longer have a wholesome, natural concept of sex. Once your idea of relations becomes primarily focused on feeling good, with children being way down on the list and usually something you see as negative and to be avoided….rather than having a wholistic sense of fulfilling God’s plan for human life and love…then you have people who are more likely to miss the big picture. In any case, the teaching of our Lord is clear, as is the rest of Scripture. People are upholding a secular view of sex above the explicit teaching of the Savior, who clearly indicates that marriage is between one man and one woman, for life. It’s truly sad.

      • If the principal did not like it, your school is in trouble. GOD bless you for your conviction in protecting Christ’s words, AMEN

    • musicacre

      Good for you…I’ve heard so many people our age say that our heritage was stolen from us, by our teachers failing to pas on the faith. And any one can understand when they’re not passing on truth. All the Catholic teachers in American should quickly rally behind this courageous women who has lost her job, from people skulking on her facebook, of all things!! Trolls everywhere! That wouldn’t hold water in court. It’s time to take the Catholic school system to court for not being Catholic. Here in Canada, I never subjected my kids to the “Katholik” schools; we homeschooled because even in 1990 I could see something was terribly wrong and didn’t want my daughter exposed to it.

      • Atilla The Possum

        AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! I’m with you there, musicacre! You did the right thing home schooling your kids. I wish there were such opportunities in the UK when I was a kid in the late 1960’s/early 1970’s … it was just as well because I practically taught myself through good books, papers and magazines such stuff that teachers knew naff all about!
        What a pretty pass when a so-called ‘Kath’lik’ priest comes out AGAINST a teacher who knows more about the Faith than he does?!?!?!?! Crazy doesn’t cover it!
        Those teachers in the Western world (especially in the UK) who have taught garbage in Catholic Schools and have robbed generations – including mine – of the faith our past generations suffered and died for … ought to be dragged into the street and shot along with that ”priest”! Yes, that’s what I said. I mean it. It is far more un-Christian and un-Charitable to deprive children of quality spiritual nourishment and the Truth than the abuse they have been subjected to all these years: crimes against education and the Faith!

        • musicacre

          Maybe if every Catholic withdrew their kids from the pretend Catholic schools at the same time, they would have to listen. Because there would be no money. Sad that’s what it takes…..

          • Money doesn’t talk, it screams.

      • All the Catholic teachers in American should quickly rally behind this courageous women who has lost her job, from people skulking on her facebook, of all things!!

        I’d like to send her a check to help with disruption.

        • musicacre

          Yep. The more wordy, the more suspicious. How about just saying, “we are all things Catholic”? Even I can understand that!

          • It’s my contention that mission statements are among the stupidest corporate fads -but if a Church thinks it needs one, if more than five minutes is spent on it, it’s a gross waste of time.

            • GG

              It is a fad. It is stupid. People, apparently, think they are being “relevant” and they value that for some odd reason.

            • Glenn M. Ricketts

              At one time, all you needed to know was that this or that church was Catholic. That was mission statement enough. Now you really have to check out what the label means.

        • Glenn M. Ricketts

          As it happens, I am in this very diocese, so I know the parishes fairly well. There are actually two named Immaculate Conception, one in Annendale and the other in Somerville, near Immaculata HS. If you’re referring to former, it’s the parish that borders mine to the East, and is quite solid – very good confessors and a school that actually is Catholic. Can’t speak as well for the one in Somerville. My bishop will be hearing from me, in any case.

    • Jake Rabas

      God bless you. The Catholic Church is the counter-culture now.

      • St JD George

        Mark 13:13. I’m fine with that.

      • musicacre

        We attended many conferences in the 80’s that reiterated that, so we were told to put on our armor pretty much right after we were married. I’m grateful for the people who had the foresight then to warn of the signs of the times, or we may not have been serious enough to homeschool. One of these speakers I met personally, was Anne Roche-Muggeridge. Made a very big impression on me as a new mother and young wife…and got me on the path to the reading, digging in, with our faith. She mentioned we had to be the counter-culture; in fact her book is all about it, The Desolate City. That book got us and my parents on the path and for years we sold Catholic books, etc. A very large part of our parish is now quite literate in the faith since so many books sold over the years..and surprise! Most of the young families ended up homeschooling!

    • LarryCicero

      The softball approach is a disaster. I taught 7th grade CCD/RE in IL. There were no homework assignments, graded tests, or final exams. Everyone was automatically moved along to the eighth grade as long as they attended class. I too explained early on that going to Mass on Sunday was not optional. Yet only one out of thirteen attended regularly, and I was told by a student that they don’t have to go to Mass. The director of the program instructed us to review the readings from the Sunday Mass, knowing that they did not hear them on Sunday. This is a reflection of what is going on at home as well- the parents don’t care and it shows through the attitudes of the children. If CCD is treated equally with reading, writing, math and science, and Johnny can be held back if he does not learn, parents may have to help Johnny in his formation, and in turn do some learning themselves. But the pastors must take formation seriously and not pass it off on “directors.” They are afraid to upset the apple cart on what is a bumpy and muddy road.

      • Objectivetruth

        Agreed.

        And to make matters worse, the percentage of kids that go to the parish Catholic school and go to Mass isn’t much better. I don’t understand that at all. You send your kids to Catholic school, but you don’t take them to Sunday Mass?

        I read somewhere that most kids that lead a devout Catholic life have a father that is devout and lives the Catholic faith, regardless of whether the kids went to public or Catholic school.

        • Micha Elyi

          Sending ones kids to Catholic school but not taking them to Sunday Mass is the mark of the cultural Catholic. I see a lot of these among America’s amnestied immigrants. They want their kids baptized but they’re never seen at Mass ever after.

          • Atilla The Possum

            Saint Bernadette Soubirous stated – in no uncertain terms – her sheer dislike for ‘bad Catholics’ … because cultural Catholics and Church of Nicey-Niceys are just that: BAD.

          • jcsmitty

            Even more disturbing is focusing on the party and the clothing that accompanies reception of the first sacraments. I couldn’t wait for my First Holy Communion because I would receive Jesus, body, blood, soul and divinity! Do you think today’s kids really believe that–or are even told that????

        • Gail Finke

          I once talked to a man who told me they stationed people at the parish doors because — get this — families got the parish tuition rate, so people would actually drive to church just before offertory time, sneak in the back of church, put their envelopes in the baskets, and leave! If people were at the doors to see them, people wouldn’t do it. I didn’t believe it but he swore it was true.

        • jcsmitty

          Maybe that’s why when I attended Catholic school back in the 50s and 60s, we went to a designated children’s Mass with our classmates. The nuns not only made sure we were there every Sunday, but that we went to Confession regularly. I recall lining up for confession with my classmates too! But at the rate we’re going today, the next generation will not even be taking their kids to CCD. Today’s kids think they know it all by the time they are confirmed–and then stop going to church or learning about their faith any more.

    • jacobum

      Well stated. Keep giving them the Truth right between the eyes. We are fighting the enemies within. Objective Truth is an oxymoron in the hands of the wolves. They only use it when it is useful to advance their destructive agenda.

    • Thomas Sharpe

      Widespread acceptance of contraception has made a wreck of society, as well as Catholic schools. The nuns are gone, the brothers too, contracepted out of existence; and there is a loss of faith (ironic because the Church now stands alone.) And the cost is up, way way way-up in most areas. 2000% or more in the last 50 years and that’s adjusted for income.

      Now Catholic schools are now populated by mostly upper middle class with one or two children, who if they happen to be Catholic are almost surely (I’m sorry) use contraceptives and worse. Are we supposed to be outraged by these more recent developments? Really?
      I look forward to the day in which not 1 in 20 are educated in the Faith beyond 8th grade CCD, but ALL. If we have the will to do it, and we will, it can be done! Probably not with the paradigm of how it was done in the days of the nuns, but somehow, I’m sure.

      • Atilla The Possum

        The devil is, for sure, in the detail of your post – that the disturbing and depressing scenarios you have described have been happening in the past 50 years should answer those questions many are asking. It began with certain malevolent clergy and religious who decided to vandalise the Church with their deliberate distortion of Vatican II. The working class have been effectively shoved out of the way and the upper/lower middle-classes elbowed their hifalutin’ hippy ways and looked down their noses at those whose faith, prayers, efforts and funds have kept their parishes going. The women from the middle-classes have also bullied their way into doing several ministries and becoming catechists … without having grasped even the rubrics of the Catholic faith.
        Do these people understand that artificial contraception is a MORTAL SIN?
        You summed up what’s been going dreadfully wrong with the Catholic Church for half a century. It is up to the well-armed, locked-and-loaded Church Militant to clear up the mess.
        Beginning with the Holy Rosary.

    • former atheist

      Yes, “catechetical instruction has been a disaster for fifty years” if not longer! … because of the rot that had set in for many generations who were encouraged to adopt “moral relativism” that pervaded cultures. It seems that we have to reach the parents first to educate them.

      It is very interesting that “gays” themselves expose their own immense HYPOCRISY and massive DECEIT about their (REAL) agenda – which is to “turn the culture on its head” and re-write history according to their own image…by:

      DESTROYING the sacred institution of (real) Marriage? … How? … Easy! …

      — by “TRIVIALISING the TITLE of “Marriage” – with their insistence of
      “legally appropriating” the “TITLE of Marriage” (which historically has ONLY ever
      belonged to a man and a woman in a public declaration of their love in the
      presence of God and before the community, and of their life-long commitment and fidelity in real Marriage and for the purpose of being responsible parents to
      off-spring).

      Here it must also be pointed out that if God is not acknowledged at the ceremony – then it does NOT qualify as a Christian marriage.

      NOTE: Most “gays” describe themselves as “non-believers” and are “particularly hostile to any idea of God” … therefore it is “gays’ themselves who relegate “gay” “marriage” to a distillation of SATIRICAL CARICATURE of very bad taste.

      note: This is NOT “gay-bashing”. IT IS OUR RIGHT TO COMPLAIN against the willful malicious DESTRUCTION of our very culture. It is no less destructive than if
      “gays” had set fire to our Parliament.

      It is interesting to note that even though homosexual groups evidently “don’t
      see themselves as anything more than 1% of the population, and most saying
      that they are not even being remotely interested in marriage (because they “crave variety” in partnerships), a growing number of them now openly admit that what they actually REALLY want is “to turn western culture on its head altogether” by culture accepting the “normalisation“ of their lifestyle:

      Why do they feel compelled to do this? Apparently they are desperate to eliminate the burdensome “cloud of guilt” which even non-religious “gays” appear to find particularly unsettling .

      How?
      1. “Being queer means PUSHING THE PARAMETERS of sex, sexuality, and family, and in the process transforming the very fabric of society…” – Paula Ettelbrick, (ex-legal director of Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund)

      2. “In the gay life, FIDELITY is almost IMpossible. Since part of the compulsion of homosexuality seems to be a craving on the part of the homophile to ‘absorb’ masculinity from his sexual partners, he must be constantly on the lookout for (new sex partners). Consequently the most successful homophile ‘marriages’ are those where there is an arrangement between the two and to have affairs on the side while maintaining the semblance of permanence’ in their living arrangement.” – Former Homosexual William Aaron (William Aaron, Straight (New York: Bantam Books, 1972)

      3. “Typical gay city inhabitants spend most of their adult lives in ‘transactional’ relationships, or short-term commitments of less than six months.” – research by University of Chicago Sociologist Edward Laumann (Adrian Brune, “City Gays Skip Long-term Relationships: Study Says”, Washington Blade – February 27, 2004)

      4. “Few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.” – Researcher M. Pollak (M. Pollak, “Male Homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times”, ed. P. Aries and A. Bejin, translated by Anthony Forster, New York, NY: B. Blackwell, 1985)

      5. It is even more alarming to note that “gays” themselves further expose their (REAL) agenda: “…to get the public to affirm their lifestyle” … “to see government and society affirm our lives” – (United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989).
      (again, to lift that inconvenient “cloud of guilt”)

      But most disturbing is that part of the homosexual agenda seems to be to
      alienate people from Christianity – which they perceive as “the enemy“:
      “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and
      constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form – should be reason enough
      for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” – (Advocate, 1985).

      So what is their “Trojan Horse” strategy?

      Easy! “DESENSITIZING the public“: “The first order of business is “desensitization of the American public concerning gays”…..To desensitize the public is to help
      it view homosexuality with INDIFFERENCE … Ideally, we would have “straights”
      register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different
      tastes for ice cream or sports games….At least – in the BEGINNING – we are
      seeking “public desensitization” … if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing…then your battle for [“equal rights”} is VIRTUALLY WON” – (“The Overhauling of Straight America.” Guide Magazine. November, 1987.)

      So the “gays” themselves – BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION about their (REAL) agenda – put the whole matter in a very different perspective.

      It is so important for us to defend WITHOUT DELAY what is worth defending – the very future of families and the defence of civilised customs and traditions which are slowly, insidiously being undermined and destroyed – even by short-sighted, ill-informed governments who have mindlessly “rolled-out-the-red-carpet” to selfish malicious destroyers of civilised cultures.

      The family has been under serious malicious attack for decades and also now by a very spiteful and destructive minority who WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE that that they do not ALREADY have legal rights (eg inheritance, superannuation, etc.) under the ALREADY available “legal unions” available to any two people, regardless of sex.

      The law ALREADY provides for “gays to have existing advantages of the above legal avenues … BUT civilized cultures MUST NOT allow such irresponsible BULLIES to (FALSELY) appropriate the TITLE of “Marriage”.

      Responsible citizens, who value their basic human right of FREEDOM of SPEECH (yes, there are already increasing steps being taken in several countries to make any criticism of “gays” a punishable crime). Even Peter Hitchens (convert to Christianity and brother of the late atheist Christopher Hitchens) has commented emphatically: “It is important to speak out now (about an increasingly morally corrupt society). I am speaking out now – while I am STILL ABLE TO!”

      [Already there have been cases of reverse discrimination by “gays”, eg: cake-makers (who refused to decorate a ‘gay-wedding’ cake); marriage celebrants (refusing to ‘marry’ ‘gays’) etc. who have chosen jail rather than concede to ‘gay’ demands]

      Therefore it is the inescapable duty of all Christians to take heed of the facts and to fight for values which are the truly admirable aspects of Christian culture and who do NOT want it reduced to such a noxious caricature. Even the ‘gay’ designers Dolce and Gambanna have fought back other ‘fascist gays’ and have struck out in SUPPORT of traditional Marriage as an absolute Human Right for all children and as absolutely necessary for their proper psychological development.

      Even Pope Francis has declared that Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ is “Anthropological Regression” and ” Pope Benedict XVI warned in 2012 that the policies which
      “undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity
      itself.” Jannuzzi was merely echoing Benedict who knew that this was a war that
      needed to be fought.
      – So even both Popes Francis and Benedict would be banished from this particular school??!!
      – Jannuzzi’s outspokenness was NOT, in any way, “hate speech”!
      – It is the ‘fascist gays’ and their ignorant supporters who should be apologizing and profusely – and to all civilized cultures!

      As for the truly stupid ‘gay’ remark: “This will be a step towards a truly patient and
      inclusive society … enter[ing] the twenty-first century,” the behaviour of “gays” boils down to nothing more than the “TYRANNY and OPPRESSION of political correctness” and which defy common-sense and any civilized culture.

      It is time for the public in all nations to take serious note of this (admitted) sinister agenda of the self-serving culture-destroyers which would terrify even George Orwell himself.

    • standtall909

      Good for you objectivetruth! Go for it!! The truth of Christ is on your side, and yes indeed, it has been an utter and total failure since Vat ll. Our kids need truth even if it’s hard. It seems as though the modernists are cranking it up and trying to ‘update’ even more. The definition of insanity: Doing what has never worked in the past over and over again. The pews are now pretty empty, so I guess they want to keep the wrecking ball going? Insane.

  • littleeif

    We will be made to care.

    Many of us are just struggling Catholics trying to live a small, conventional life dealing with our own personal sins, trying to hold our families together, patching together an income sufficient to support our slow march to a paradise we hope for sometimes with doubt, sometimes with vigor. We know we are weak instruments. Ours is not the heroic crescendos but the quiet middle notes. We try to pass on the faith to the children wanting only that our own weakness and failures do not scandalize them but that they inherit the same hope we were given. The world we grew up in did not assist in that, but neither did it hinder much. Our parents were able to set the rest of the world aside, to take what was useful from it – popular moralities such as honesty, work ethic, resourcefulness, gentlemanly and ladylike behavior – and leave the rest.

    All along there were small compromises required of them. Our parents found a way for us to compromise with no fault divorce and the family situations that came from it, with easily available birth control and the libertine sexuality that came from it, and still be Catholic. They did not boycott Liz Taylor movies as she divorced, shacked up, remarried. They did not picket the local health department when it disseminated birth control. They popularized Planned Parenthood, rationalized the pill and somehow made it all work for us.

    But our parents are now on life support and we are being asked to take away the feeding tube. Our children are shacked up, getting married outside the Church when they do. Our grandchildren are being aborted. Our nephews are openly homosexual lawyers lobbying for marriage. Our godchildren are calling us hypocrites and unchristian when we cite the catechism. We are being attacked by our own loved ones on social media and being shunned at family events and fired from our jobs.

    Our Bishops and Priests are still largely trying to find that old point of compromise where coexistence and detente is possible but the culture is at war with us. They are being made to see there is no longer a point of compromise.

    And we are being made to care.

    • Cool mick

      First comes tolerance
      then acceptance
      then approval
      The final stage is participation.

      The goalposts continually move . . .

      • First it is opprobrium, then an oddity, then an option,then an OBLIGATION…

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        Or, as Alexander Pope put it

        Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
        As to be hated needs but to be seen;
        Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
        We first endure, then pity, then embrace.

        • musicacre

          Exactly. How is it everyone is soft-headed enough not to remember in very recent time, how much loathing there normally was towards vile serious sins. The media has a perpetual marching band now celebrating sin (which isn’t surprising) but why are the Catholic jockeying to get into that parade?

          • Michael Paterson-Seymour

            “[W]hy are the Catholics jockeying to get into that parade?”

            As another English satirist, Mgr Ronald Knox put it,
            When suave politeness, tempering bigot zeal,
            Corrected “I believe” to “One does feel”

        • Objectivetruth

          Excellent……

          • Michael Paterson-Seymour

            Is it a coincidence, do you think that two of our greatest English satirists, Pope and Dryden, were both Catholics?

      • LarryCicero

        The pastor, in his homily Sunday, was preaching about our obligation to give. He used as an example, a woman who inherited a fortune. He asked if she had a right to it when she did not earn it. He did not answer his question. But if she had no right to it, then who does? While trying to make a point that we are obligated to give, he moves the goalposts, and argues that all is a gift to which we have no right. We must tolerate selfishness. When we don’t, it can then turn into envy and theft. If the state has a right to her inheritence, then we as a society are participating, and the pastor has preached a right to theft with envy as justification and planted the seeds of confusion. As you stated, when what should not be tolerated is tolerated, accepted, and approved, we end up with the tax on estates.

        • Michael S.

          Chesterton would disagree. “The thing to be done is nothing more or less than the distribution of the great fortunes and the great estates. We can now only avoid Socialism by a change as vast as Socialism. if we are to save property, we must distribute property, almost as sternly and sweepingly as did the French Revolution.”
          Belloc sarcastically stated that one who has a fine jacket should not be envied by the man with five thousand acres and visa verse. Just sayin

          • LarryCicero

            Who is “we”? Please explain.

            • Michael S.

              Without derailing the essence of these comments on such an important topic as being persecuted for our faith, the following is the complete article from which I pulled the above quote for your perusal pertaining to your legitimate question. God Bless
              The Chesterton Review, Vol. xxvii, No. 4, November 2001
              “Jobs of Our Own: A Distributist Future for Australia”
              Race Matthews
              p. 503 – 519.

              • Distributionism is a pseudo-intellectual fantasy that has never existed, and will never exist. Sorry.

                The only way to impose an economic order that doesn’t emerge naturally is to do so with absolute political power. We know how that ends up.

                Chesterton is not infallible, sorry to remind the cult of that fact.

                • LarryCicero

                  If you accept the idea that she who is inheriting the money, has no right to it, it still does not remove the right of the one who earned it to do with it as he sees fit. So the question remains unanswered- Who is “we”? and Who gives “you” the right? Yes, it is a fantasy.

              • LarryCicero

                From the parable of the workers in the vineyard-

                Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?

    • Seamrog

      I wonder how many people reading this comment are nodding their heads in sad agreement.

      I am one.

    • Anne Hendershott

      This is so sad – but needs to be said. We can never surrender.

      • St JD George

        Excellent and informative article today Anne, even if it causes me much anguish to learn. The anguish is not in vain though because if anything it only stirs passions to more forcefully fight against these acts of submission by our faithful servants, and support for those who show steadfastness and courage in defending their faith.
        Excellent GKC quote to lead your article with. I know I’ve read before and had forgotten, but will memorize now for future occasions.

    • Jake Rabas

      John 15:19

    • Ann Hessenius

      WOW!, just WOW…You are spot-on, and Catholics who revere Christ’s church and the Magisterium must, MUST, be more courageous than ever, and spread the truth about what’s going on all around us. “Upside-down” stories such as this one seem to be occurring daily lately. Pray like never before.

  • CadaveraVeroInnumero

    COMMANDMENT #11: Thou shall not hurt the feelings of others.

    COMMANDMENT #12: Thou shall not offend the behavior or doctrines of any sate-sponsored protected sex/gender identity group.

    COMMANDMENT #13: Thou should accept with growth groveling humility when these are pointed to you as your failings and sins.

    COMMANDMENT #14: Thou shall seek to catechize thyself in accepting behavior and attitudes once deemed the ancient sins.

    COMMANDMENT #15: Thou shall rejoice with every 12-year-old as he/she/he-she “comes out” and proclaims his/her/his-her’s baptism into homosexuality, lesbianism, transgenderism, bi-sexuality, BDSMism, and so-on and so-on.

    COMMANDMENT #17: Thou shall support the Queer/Gender mission of all state and private institutions: schools,, military, foundations, corporations, federal/state/county agencies, NGO’s of all sorts, Queer/Gender advocacy groups – and diocese bureaucracies and parish offices which are yielding too the New Knowing,.

    COMMANDMENT #18 Thou shall work to bear pressure down on Pro-Life groups to incorporate a Queer Theory understanding of the human person

    COMMANDMENT #19: Thou shall – as a sign of conversion – evangelize the good news of Queer Theory in its prophetic calling to be the final hermeneutic (worldview prism) through which all behaviors, attitudes, ethics and doctrines must be seen and understood.

    COMMANDMENT #20: Thu shall read Ms. Eve T.’s little book and ignore Robert Reilly’s..

    • Martha

      You forgot the most important one, the one that all the others hinge on! Thou shall not JUDGE! 😉

      • Unless one exhibits economic literacy..m

  • Maggie Sullivan

    This is another sad and disgusting story of a shepherd in the Church caving into the culture of death. It may seem like our emails don’t have any effect but we must raise our voices for Christ and love while we can.
    Most Reverend Paul G. Bootkoski, DD
    Diocese of Metuchen
    146 Metlars Lane
    Piscataway, NJ 08854
    (732) 562-1990 ext. 1711
    bishop@diometuchen.org

    Immaculata High School
    Mrs. Jean Kline, principal: jkline@immaculatahighschool.org

  • J.T. L.

    I know that I am sounding defeatist here but I liken what is going on to troops in the trenches of war seeing their officers beginning to betray their mission. Those actions would send ripples of doubt and confusion amongst the soldiers. That is what is happening here. Demoralization and a huge sense of doubt are overtaking the faithful as some of the leadership in the church abandon us by charting a dangerous and suicidal course. They are supposed to lead…by word and example. Some of them have already “tossed in the towel” in the culture war. Is there any doubt that there is confusion within the ranks of the faithful?

    • Cool mick

      This is a case where the Diocese places one imperative above the teachings of Christ and the Catholic Church and that is not to offend anyone while doing it. Many of our Bishops have become go-along-to-get-along Catholics. This is evidenced in their token, luke-warm objections to abortion funding and birth control inclusion in Obamacare and their tepid response to the same-sex marriage throughout the nation. Oh, they’ll write a strongly worded letter to a politician but that’s as far as they wish to go.

  • WRBaker

    There was finally a discussion about what some of what Catholic school teachers have to endure written a few years ago entitled, “Catholic Social
    Teaching & Unions in Catholic Primary & Secondary Schools: Clash between
    Theory & Practice in the United States.”

  • John King

    It is a very strange situation when you are practicing your faith in the right Church but it is being run by the wrong people. Jesus had his Judas but imagine that 11 of the 12 were Judas? That’s the situation we have today. Very strange and very evil. I struggle with this. I have been persecuted within for my orthodoxy. I even retreated to a TLM parish in hopes to find a haven of orthodoxy only to find equally bad situation on the Right (as opposed to Left). I guess this was how it was living in Europe during the Protestant uprising 500 years ago. Jesus promised us persecution and it is an eternal blessing to undergo these things. It is incredible that no matter how much the Devil runs amuck in the Church that the teachings and the sacraments have not changed. We will always be dissapointed by people but we can always trust God.

    • musicacre

      You’re in good company 🙂

  • HartPonder

    We need to reflect on Church teaching related to the Loss of the sense of Sin.

    Pope Pius XII said that “the evil of this civilization” is “the loss of the sense of sin: we can do anything, we will resolve anything! The power of man is substituted for the glory of God.”
    CCC1865… Not “a evil” but “the evil”

    Beware of Moral Relativism! CCC 1790-1793

    My prayers to our brave Catholic Teacher.

  • respectlife1

    Too bad the bishops do not stand up and defend Church teachings. We need to pray for all church leaders — those who seem to have strayed away from what they were called to do as written in the gospel and church teachings and those who have the courage to speak out so that they will have the courage to defend the faith.

  • The first six paragraphs of this piece are irrelevant to the subject. “Oh — poor us!”

    The fact is that Ms. Jannuzzi’s rant was not only offensive; it was incoherent ( http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/2015/03/nom-enabling-jannuzzi-grift.html ). According to Jannuzzi gays and lesbians are trying to “reengineer western civ into a slow extinction” with marriage equality. Apparently she is wed to the absurd notion that marriage equality causes straight people to become gay and then not to unite in traditional marriages.

    That coincides with her idea that once gay people have marriage equality “they will argue everyone should be able to choose being they gay or lesbian lifestyle.” Has that actually happened in New Jersey? I wonder. Moreover, even the bishops seem to be moving away from the notion that sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice.

    We do not know why Jannuzzi is not being offered employment this fall (she is on the payroll through August). This might be just one more incident of idiocy.

    • somebigguy

      The “absurd notion” here is “marriage equality.” Those, like you, who abhor truth love such absurdities.

      No doubt another of your favorites is “reproductive health care.”

    • JP

      And 60 years ago, the local priest would cite the Catechism and tell the students that gays and lesbians were headed straight for eternal damnation. Either what the Church taught for 1960 years was wrong, or the Church leaves it up to the laity to teach the Truth, but will abandon them when the heat is turned up.

    • Seamrog

      Accepting the fallacy of two men or two women ‘marrying’ each other does not suggest people with ordered sexual desires will suddenly experience disordered sexual desires, and then act on them.

      This is a straw-man argument that is sadly typical of Mr. Hart.

      It is a deliberate attempt to avoid the very real point that accepting all the evils that accompany altering the fabric of the traditional family, means accepting the destruction of the traditional family.

      Rational, ordered persons do not want to further in any way, the destruction that has been heaped upon our society – the broken homes, the damaged children, the empty relationships, the deaths from disease, the darkness of isolation, the bitterness of divorce…the list could go on for pages.

      • It is a deliberate attempt to avoid the very real point that accepting all the evils that accompany altering the fabric of the traditional family, means accepting the destruction of the traditional family.

        Really? By what measures? Massachusetts and New Jersey continue to have some of the lowest divorce rates in the country. Their kids are doing great in school. So in what way is the traditional family being destroyed if some gay men and woman get married to the same sex?

        • Objectivetruth

          Two people of the same sex being married is an impossibility.

          Repeat: impossible.

          You keep screaming, ranting and calling an elm tree a golden retriever, froggy boy. It’s fun to watch.

          • Two people of the same sex being married is an impossibility.

            Saying that something doesn’t exist because you don’t like it is like sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting “NAH – NAH – NAH!”

            In most of the country same-sex marriage is a legal reality. That’s a fact. Same-sex couples are legally married. They did not, and do not, require your approval to do so. By the end of the summer, all of the country will probably recognize same-sex marriage.

            Whether or not you, or the Church, concede that these couples are married is irrelevant. They still will have established a marital estate for themselves and their children. They will have all of the legal rights, privileges and obligations of marriage. They will be legally husbands and wives.

            • GG

              Slavery was legal too. Abortion is legal. So what? That is not evidence they should be legal.

            • Seamrog

              What you say will never be so, in spite of your insistence that ‘it is so.’

              Remember – you come here to a faithful Catholic website, and spread lies from the Father of Lies. Do not expect us to accept it.

              The perspective of the patrons of this website is one that is in agreement with creation, as ordered by it’s Creator.

              The perspective you attempt to pass here as ‘fact’ is in profound, 100% disagreement with that order.

              Marriage is the permanent union of one man and one woman for the creation and appropriate rearing of children.

              What you present here can NEVER be that.

            • Albee

              All these “legally married gays” have done is entered into a contract between the state they live in and themselves. To break this contract they will need to go to a court with lawyers, etc. They can call themselves husbands, wives, concubines, fencepoles, whatever–.
              But they won’t get the Sacrament of marriage from the Catholic Church (unless from some apostate priest). The really sad thing about it all, is they will probably sent their own souls to Hell and may be the souls of their children, unless they repent and amend their lives. They want God/Church to kneel to them. “I will not serve”.

              Oddly, by your “name”, you must like the heat.

              • No one expects the Church to ever sanction gay marriage. There is no effort to change that. Marriage equality is simply about civil marriage and nothing more. And, yes, marriage creates a contract with both the betrothed and the state — all marriages.

                The objective is to stop the Church from attempting to impose its teachings on everyone else by force of law. So far we have been pretty successful at doing so and National Organization for Marriage seems to be in a death spiral. Imagine the outrage if a group of Hassidim tried to get the state to outlaw the sale and consumption of pork (and there is good cause for doing so). There is little difference between that and what the Church is doing. The Church should be content that adherents will not enter into same-sex marriages.

                I hate to break it to you but the Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on morality. Most Jews and liturgical Protestants disagree with the Church on gay marriage.

                Absent same-sex marriage pretty much the same gays are going to form the same unions and raise the same children. There is a growing trend among conservatives that marriage is a better scheme than “shacking up.” I was with my late partner for over thirty years; we raised two kids. Who are you to judge?

  • James of Clan Scott

    Austin Ruse should be going after these anti-Catholic gay activist Jerks full on and not waste his ammo on orthodox faithful chaste Catholics who just happen to call themselves “gay”.

    I am Catholic & I know who my real enemy is……

    • GG

      Those folks you defend are part of the problem. They contribute to the confusion.

      • James of Clan Scott

        How?

        It’s simply a brute fact they do not see spiritual friendships as the chaste gay equivalent to natural marriage.

        That idea is read into their writings it’s called Eisegesis. Deacon Jim implied the spiritual friendship crowd believed spiritual friends where “exclusive” couples.

        It didn’t take long to refute that.

        • GG

          The homosexual desire is abnormal. It is not ordered correctly. It is nothing to cultivate, view as good or healthy, or pretend it is some gift.

          • James of Clan Scott

            >The homosexual desire is abnormal. It is not ordered correctly.

            The correct term is “objectively disordered”. The term “abnormal” is not used by the CCC.

            >It is nothing to cultivate, view as good or healthy, or pretend it is some gift.

            Too bad nobody over at Spiritual Friendships teaches that except in some people’s fevered imaginations. As for the gift part we need only look at this past article from one of the “New Homophiles”.

            http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/the-new-homophiles-an-incomplete-apologia

            quote” The idea that gayness can be a gift is profoundly Catholic. Put crudely, this is Catholicism 101. O certe necessarium Adae peccatum! O felix culpa!Every evil, however great or however trivial, willed or unwilled, is an occasion for Divine grace to operate. Without confusing evil with good, God wastes nothing, not even evils, in His eternal act of creation. The supreme Artist is not put off by flaws in the medium, but displays the excellence of His skill by incorporating them into the work itself.”

            I have said this many times we are the faith that says in the old Pre-V2 liturgy “O’happy fall! Oh Necessary sin of Adam that merited so great a redemption”.

            Not Eve or anybody over at spiritual friendships teaches a homosexual disposition is good in essence.

            Anymore than the old liturgy was teaching consequentialism or that sin is justified.

            Live with it my friend.

            • GG

              The term the Church uses is a philosophical term, but the deviant desire is also abnormal and not healthy. I speak not only about the spiritual aspect but the natural and biologic aspect as well. It is abnormal no matter how you slice it.

              Playing the game with the word gift is dishonest. If you want to spin their propaganda as some traditional Catholic theology then only you will be duped.

              • James of Clan Scott

                >Playing the game with the word gift is dishonest. If you want to spin their propaganda as some traditional Catholic theology then only you will be duped.

                Rather I take them at their word & you seem Hell bend on misrepresenting them come Hell or high water. That is a sin against the Christian virtue of charity & it violates the commandment against baring false witness.

                It is also a weak attempt at rational argument or rebuttal.

                I am not impressed.

                • GG

                  It is you who misrepresent here, not I. Claiming homosexual desire is a gift is absurd and is propaganda. Save it for the credulous.

                  Confusion is from the devil.

                  • James of Clan Scott

                    >It is you who misrepresent here, not I.

                    I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to prove it with a rational argument. You seem incapable of that.

                    > Claiming homosexual desire is a gift is absurd and is propaganda.

                    I already from their own words explained what they meant by it being a gift. You have no intelligent response & all it seems you can do is mindlessly repeat yourself.

                    You are like a Muslim I once talked to who kept insisting Trinity meant “Three Gods in One God” and no matter how hard I tried explaining the distinction between Divine Essence vs Divine Relations & the meaning of the word “subsistence” he just defaulted back to “It doesn’t matter how you explain it you really believe in three Gods but there is only One God”.

                    You are just as tedious GG.

                    • GG

                      You “argument” is that you want that ideology to be true. You attack Ruse, me, and others who bind themselves to the Church and reject this new and illicit ideology that promotes “gay” as some useful identity. Stop it.

                      You cherry pick what you want and then piece together a narrative that I am not buying. It is you who must prove gay identification is Catholic.

                      You know you are wrong. You know you are fighting a losing battle. You persist because you think if you continue others will acquiesce. Not gonna happen. Not now. Not ever.

                      It is not too late though. Stop the propaganda.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      >You “argument” is that you want that ideology to be true.

                      No I am a Socratic (as well as a Traditional Thomist) and I want people to be treated fairly and their words to be judge in charity.

                      Not threw the lens of panic and diabolical suspicion and rumor mongering.

                      > You attack Ruse, me, and others who bind themselves to the Church and reject this new and illicit ideology that promotes “gay” as some useful identity. Stop it.

                      So Ruse cannot be criticized? He has more dignity & authority that Pope Francis himself?

                      Seriously?

                      >You cherry pick what you want and then piece together a narrative that I am not buying. It is you who must prove gay identification is Catholic.

                      You must prove it is formally condemned.

                      >You know you are wrong. You know you are fighting a losing battle. You persist because you think if you continue others will acquiesce. Not gonna happen. Not now. Not ever.

                      What I know is based on reason, Faith, prudent judgement and rational analysis. You have created a fantasy mini-Magesterium in your mind with Ruse as the Holy Father. I doubt Ruse wants that job.

                      >It is not too late though. Stop the propaganda.

                      I think you need help.

                    • GG

                      I do not have to prove anything is formally condemned. That is nonsense. What you have to do is prove claiming “gay” is consistent with the faith. It is not. It is a new ideology of evil. Save your propaganda for the credulous and laxists.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      Then you will never have anything intelligent to say.

                    • GG

                      You mean you hate the truth. Got it.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      I take it you are from the John Cleese school of Argument?

                    • GG

                      Gay exceptionalism and charism are a regular theme for the New
                      Homophiles. Gabriel Blanchard who calls himself “a gay, anarchist
                      Christian” used to believe that celibacy was a kind of second prize,
                      behind marriage and the priesthood. He is now fiddling with the idea
                      that he is gay because he is celibate, that his “homosexuality was
                      incorporated, or permitted by God, so as to help me discern my vocation
                      to lay celibacy?” He claims gay exceptionalism allows gays to have
                      “lower tension in dealing with the opposite sex” and “a more intuitive
                      understanding of certain forms of mysticism.” Perhaps.

                      One of the most prolific of the new school is Joshua Gonnerman who is
                      studying for a PhD at Catholic University in Washington DC. He, too,
                      believes in gay-exceptionalism; there are many things he finds valuable
                      about his experience of being gay, and considers that same-sex desire
                      can be a gift to the Church, a sign of contradiction.”

                      http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/the-new-homophiles

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      >Gay exceptionalism and charism are a regular theme for the New
                      Homophiles.
                      You are talking to a Scotish American lad. We are a race of Warrior Poets who suffer not tyrants gladly & where would England be if She didn’t have Scots to think for her?
                      We also produced Dun Scotus who corrected Aquinas himself on the Immaculate Conception.
                      I am still not getting the problem here just incoherent gibberish.
                      > Gabriel Blanchard who calls himself “a gay, anarchist
                      Christian” used to believe that celibacy was a kind of second prize,
                      behind marriage and the priesthood. He is now fiddling with the idea
                      that he is gay because he is celibate, that his “homosexuality was
                      incorporated, or permitted by God, so as to help me discern my vocation
                      to lay celibacy?” He claims gay exceptionalism allows gays to have
                      “lower tension in dealing with the opposite sex” and “a more intuitive
                      understanding of certain forms of mysticism.” Perhaps.
                      Pope Benedict XVI was the one who revised Church discipline to allow SSA attracted person into the Priesthood under cirtan circumstances.
                      Just saying….

                      >One of the most prolific of the new school is Joshua Gonnerman who is
                      studying for a PhD at Catholic University in Washington DC. He, too,
                      believes in gay-exceptionalism; there are many things he finds valuable
                      about his experience of being gay, and considers that same-sex desire
                      can be a gift to the Church, a sign of contradiction.”
                      So what? Again “O happy fall” you might as well condemn the Pre-Vatican 2 divine liturgy.
                      You can’t even formulate an argument.
                      We are done.

                    • GG

                      We are done because you have no argument. You only have propaganda.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      Like there is a moral difference between the trash who claim the Indiana Law discriminates against Gays & you?

                      You reject Catholic Tradition. You are more Calvinist than Catholic & for the record I DESTROYED your non-arguments.

                    • GG

                      “onnerman sums up how he sees the Catholic approach to homosexuality
                      as “Oh, sucks for you.” At least that was the way it was before the New
                      Homophiles arrived on the scene. Now, he says, “Celibacy is being
                      reimagined.” Maybe that’s not narcissism again. Maybe no one in the
                      Church understood celibacy as positive, an embracing of the
                      possibilities for apostolate that celibacy opens up for the celibate.
                      Maybe no priest or bishop or PhD student ever thought of that before.

                      Besides reimagining celibacy, the New Homophiles also invented
                      friendship. They gather at a blog called Spiritual Friendship, a name
                      taken from the beautiful work of the Trappist Aelred of Rievaulx who at
                      least one of the New Homophiles thinks was also “gay.” It is truly a
                      good thing the same-sex attracted have figured out that love can be
                      expressed in ways other than genitally and that God may have had a hand
                      in calling them to those other ways but, minor point, they didn’t invent
                      friendship. At least I don’t think they did.”

                      https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/new-homophiles-insistence-on-gay-identifier-is-a-serious-problem

                      More evidence that this ideology is simply narcissism.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      You are just posting links to articles I have already read and in whose comm-boxes I have already debated the issues.
                      The rest of what you have typed is just incoherent gibberish. It doesn’t address anything I said.
                      At worst the Spiritual Friendship crowd can be accused of faulty terminology (I have admitted as much in the past) in equating celibacy vs chastity.
                      But somehow I don’t see souls going to Hell over that.
                      I think you should look too your own soul.

                    • GG

                      You want to nuance your way out of Church teachings. Not gonna happen.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      Of course it’s not going to happen because I accept Church teaching unlike some of us……

                    • GG

                      Yes, they are celibate. Yes, they accept the teaching of the Church on
                      sexual ethics. They are 95 percent there when it comes to Church
                      teaching but, as I have written before, the last 5 percent is a serious
                      problem on which the New Homophiles need to be engaged.

                      First, the New Homophiles insist on the “gay” identifier. The danger
                      here is being reduced to this thing they’re not. Father Paul Scalia,
                      chairman of the Catholic apostolate Courage, a group roundly disliked by
                      the New Homophiles, wrote an essay at First Things many years
                      ago in which he pointed out that “coming out” as “gay” has the tendency
                      to set someone in “amber” that is especially difficult to get out of.
                      Plus, we know that with help, something the New Homophiles especially
                      eschew, same-sex attraction can change.

                      Second, the New Homophiles hold that their same-sex attraction was
                      not only given to them by God but that along with the attraction God
                      gave them uniquely “gay” spiritual gifts. Such language was actually
                      used in the first draft of the document at the Extraordinary Synod in
                      October, language quickly excised.

                      Third, the New Homophiles want Church doctrine to change in order to
                      recognize points one and two. Yes, they want the Church to be
                      gay-positive; more than that though, they want Church doctrine to
                      recognize their “gayness” as gifts from God and through their gayness
                      they’ve been given unique spiritual gifts. The New Homophiles will deny
                      all of this, but it is in their now voluminous writings.”

                      http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/fifteen-minutes-new-homophiles

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      Another tactic used by anti-Catholics-scatter shot.

                      Throw out half and dozen charges and accusations substantiate none of them and act as if they are somehow evidence or argument. Also change the subject to misdirect.

                      > the last 5 percent is a serious problem on which the New Homophiles need to be engaged.

                      Which I charge is read into- their writings via creative eisegesis. If you claim differently then produce links to THEIR ACTUAL WRITINGS where I can read the offending texts and pass judgment. I produced a link to one of their writings to clarify their meaning in regards to homosexuality being a gift you have produced nothing to date or any meaningful response.

                      >First, the New Homophiles insist on the “gay” identifier.

                      Which even Pope Francis Himself uses. There is no difference between calling themselves “gay” vs SSA.

                      >Father Paul Scalia, chairman of the Catholic apostolate Courage, a group roundly disliked bythe New Homophiles.

                      I note you offer no proof of your claim they dislike him. I also note, like your response to the gift question it will never come.

                      >te an essay at First Things many years ago in which he pointed out that “coming out” as “gay” has the tendency to set someone in “amber” that is especially difficult to get out of.

                      Is this even English? You can’t even provide a link so I can figure out what you are talking about?

                      >Plus, we know that with help, something the New Homophiles especially eschew, same-sex attraction can change.

                      That is both wrong and simplistic.

                      http://spiritualfriendship.org/2012/07/13/false-hope/

                      >Second, the New Homophiles hold that their same-sex attraction was not only given to them by God but that along with the attraction God gave them uniquely “gay” spiritual gifts.

                      To this day I can’t figure out what is wrong with that?

                      > Such language was actually used in the first draft of the document at the Extraordinary Synod in October, language quickly excised.

                      So we are too believe these young people are the true authors of the Relatio? It sounded less silly when Ruse proposed it on Michael Voris show. I doubt the Fathers of the Synod read their blog.

                      >Third, the New Homophiles want Church doctrine to change …

                      You are confused! The critics themselves have charged Eve and company(& I dispute that charge) with contradicting the Church (specifically JP2) anthropology. They have gone out of their way to say they are not picking on her regarding doctrine.

                      You don’t even know what has been argued here do you?

                      >The New Homophiles will deny all of this, but it is in their now voluminous writings.”

                      I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to prove your fevered charges.

                      I have answered you on the meaning of calling homosexuality a “gift” and it is a “gift” in the same sense Adam’s sin was “necessary” via the old liturgy by their own words. If they had another meaning they would have stated it.

                      Good grief would it kill ya to learn some scholastic theology as well as some Mystical Theology? Add some liturgy and we could make you a proper Traditionalist.

                    • GG

                      Again, this is a rabbit hole as this thread is not about your pet ideology or pampering so-called “gay” Catholics. Look, if you want to identify as “gay” that is your problem and your error. If you want faithful Catholics to endorse that error. NO WAY.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      I am a faithful Catholic you OTOH are more of a Calvinist with Rosary beads.

                    • GG

                      No, I bind myself to Christ not gay ideology.

                  • James of Clan Scott

                    additional:

                    >Confusion is from the devil.

                    Then I shall say a Pray of Exorcism for you.

                    • GG

                      Look in the mirror first. You are spreading confusion and defending error.

                      This thread is not about you and the other New Homophiles, yet you bring it up. You desperately want to defend that ideology because you know it is wrong. Give it up and stay with the church.

                    • James of Clan Scott

                      >This thread is not about you and the other New Homophiles, yet you bring it up. You desperately want to defend that ideology because you know it is wrong. Give it up and stay with the church.

                      You started it. I made a passing remark. Augustus responded and I responded to him.

                      Let it go.

    • Augustus

      Mr. Ruse can walk and chew gum at the same time. The issues you seek to separate are actually connected. He is not the only Catholic author who finds problems with New Homophile ideas. Those intimately familiar with Church moral theology, like Deacon Jim Russell of the St. Louis archdiocese, have discussed their concerns on Crisis and other sites. Among this group also includes Dan Mattson: http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/the-new-homophiles-some-reasons-for-concern. You can also see Bill Maguire’s critical review of Eve Tushnet’s book at Catholic World Report: http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3718/gay_catholics_and_an_adequate_anthropology.aspx

      • James of Clan Scott

        I’ve read them all & I find they read into Eve Tushnet writings things & erroneous concepts which are simply not there nor in principle could be there.

        Eve states openly she lacks the expertise to comment on the philosophical and theological implications of the Church’s teachings which she accepts yet they treat her writings as a conscience or un conscience effort on her part to replace the Church’s teachings on Christian anthropology with LGBT identity theory.

        This is like reading the Rabbinic language found in Rabbi Zola’s(a famous Jewish convert to Catholicism) biography on how he came to the faith and then accusing him of trying to replace the Scholastic methods by which traditional Catholic doctrine is formulated with the Talmudic halakhah process.

        Plus I see no big deal in a chaste SSA Catholic calling themselves “gay”.

        The objections in those articles are tedious.

        • GG

          Yea, there is a surprise.

  • somebigguy

    Bishop Bootkoski himself needs the boot.

    My question is this: Why do parents, teachers and pastors who dissent from Catholic doctrine even want to associate themselves with the Church? Why don’t they simply join the Episcopalian, Presbyterian or Unitarian sects who’ve created God in their own image and completely conformed themselves to this world? These diehards of mainstream protestantism welcome such apostates; after all, their own pews are nearly empty.

    • Bishop Bootkoski will be 75 on July 4.

  • JR

    Many people see the apparent lack of concern by the majority of bishops for dealing with the problems with the Church in the past and present such as clerical pedophilia, homosexual activity in seminaries, dismissal of seminarians who were ‘too traditional’, pro-abortion politicians allowed to receive the Eucharist, dissident groups and publications (whose membership often include clergy and religious) spewing their anti-Magisterium nonsense, “gay-friendly” parishes (for openly-practicing), liturgical abuses, unqualified religious education ‘teachers’, lack of preaching the truths of our faith from the pulpit as all good excuses to become ‘cafeteria Catholics’. Statistically, only about 20% of Catholics go to Mass weekly and of those, only about half believe that the Eucharistic is the body and blood of Christ. This same 10% are the only ones who go to Confession or show up for Stations of the Cross during Lent, or go to Rosary devotions if the parish has them, etc. And most bishops don’t seem to care because they don’t seem to be doing much to reverse the trend. Sadly, some of these bishops were/are Cardinals. And we wonder why in some areas of the country, parishes are closing right and left. One can’t help but wonder what the Church will be like in fifty years.

  • Jean Allen

    Jesus warned us about being lukewarm. Each of us needs to implore our Heavenly Mother Mary for the graces to be able to stand firm in our Catholic faith, as these brave men and women are doing, and in support of them as our Catholic brothers and sisters. Love the sinner, yes, because we ALL sin, but hate and speak up against sin and the insidious ways of the serpent. We must never forget that Jesus has already triumphed over sin and death! What have we to fear from this world except onslaught and hatred and ridicule that is merely TEMPORARY?!

  • BXVI

    We have to be honest here. Pope Francis has caused grave damage to the Church in the United States (I can’t speak to what’s happening elsewhere). He has emboldened the enemies while “shaming” those Catholics who stand for the truth. The Pope is seriously misguided about what is needed if the thinks we can win these enemies over by “toning down the rhetoric” and trying to avoid the culture wars. The war is being brought to us – and most invideously by traitorous, heretical “Catholics” who despise what the Church teaches and will not rest until it is undone. But, when the Pope seems determined to fill the ranks of the American episcopate with more bishops like Bootkoski and fewer like Cordilione, it’s hard to see any hope for the future.

  • Ruth Rocker

    The real victims of this discussion are the students at the school who will no longer be taught valid Church doctrine. There are so many people these days, especially in the US, who have no real concept of what the Faith teaches and requires of us. I pray that she will be able to secure employment in a more Catholic institution where her love of the truth will be welcome.

    And shame on the bishop for not supporting her!!

    • GG

      Right, and who is thinking about them in this situation? Almost no one. The focus is on some vague sub group that is offended because the teacher did not become obsequious and solicitous to every single politically correct form of brainwashing we are forced to accept.

    • musicacre

      The “fruits” of this widespread ignorance is expressed in so many ways. For instance in our family, we had weak catechism which basically left us ignorant- in the 70’s- and my oldest sister ran off to join the Moonies. She felt it expressed the essence of religion she was taught t,(be nice )but she thought it was more lived out that way. After all these decades, she is still going strong with them and has recently married her own children into it by finding Moonie wives for them.

  • Vinny

    Why, why why aren’t our priests courageous?

    From today’s other Crisis essay – “…You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free” (Jn 8:32). The Gospel of Jesus Christ is for people who want to be free, “free” in the truest sense. And its message is meant for all of us; for all men and women—unless we choose to be afraid.” Well, we are certainly choosing to be afraid. Those sixth graders and college students were taught the that the Church is wrong.

    Matthew 18: 6&7 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come!

    • WRBaker

      Why? Because this is the church of nice and if they defended the Magisterium they’d be branded as being mean. That’s why more and more teachers are asked to leave for standing up for the Faith.

    • musicacre

      We have had the grace to know many courageous Catholic priests while we were raising our kids in the 80’s and 90’s and every single one of them did not escape at some point, very difficult hardships. And all because of giving workshops, talks, retreats for young families, and insisting on the truths of the faith. They recognized early on, before it become popular to discuss these problems, (before the were really obvious), that there is a final war on, and as Pope JPII stated it, the final battle of Satan would be especially against the family itself.

  • AF

    The war
    has been on since the 60’s and now after being dragged down to the cesspool
    created in our culture, by the unbeliever’s, the sheep and followers,we now
    have to fight for the right to believe!

    Have we given
    up our right to protect our religion, the right to protect the unborn, to right
    protect our children from a culture of depravity, strictly because of our silence?
    The war and war it must be to protect
    our Church, Country and Culture. They use the word hate against us to make us
    feel ashamed and ashamed we should be if we hate the person but we have every
    right to hate the message. We have every right to say what we believe
    without a fear of reprisal. Fight for the right to preach the teachings of our
    beloved Catholic Church, protect the Constitution of the United States and most
    of all fight to win. There can be no victory in this war. The war must revert
    to a daily vigil that continues forever.

  • joespook

    We need to start by identifying gay -friendly bishops and their boyfriends.

    • WRBaker

      A priest in the diocese estimates that about 60% of the priests are homosexuals. The previous bishop stated that he believed that homosexuals made the best pastors. It also puts into perspective a priest here who stated he had never heard of the Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance, though it’s in the catechism.

  • disqus_gEynqDDvb8

    The problem with the video was not that it was anti-abortion, but that it was bloody, gruesome, and violent, and gave the kids nightmares. I’m anti-abortion, but I wouldn’t want my younger kids watching R-rated videos on the subject.

    • GG

      Do you have a link to the movie?

    • Anne Hendershott

      You are right – it was a gruesome film – one that I would not want my children to see either. But abortion is gruesome and horrible – there is no other way to present it. At 6th grade they are exposed to much worse in their curriculum. The link to the movie is in the article – you not see an actual abortion – but it is still intense and very difficult to watch.

      • somebigguy

        I’m certain the parents of many of these children have allowed them access to the plethora of slasher movies Hollywood produces. Such hypocrisy; no abortion documentary can be worse.

        • Gail Finke

          So what? I am 51 years old and have never seen a slasher movie OR an abortion on film. And yes, I’m pro-life and pray at abortion clinics. What other people do doesn’t have anything to do with me. I’m not familiar with all the details of that case by gruesome films about abortion should not be shown without the permission of the parents. You should not assume that just because many people do something, everyone does it.

        • Albee

          Don’t forget about parents letting their children watch all of the
          Lord of the Ring movies and the The Hobbit. Quite violent.
          So if they can let their kids watch these movies, then they can
          let them watch the ‘real thing’.

      • disqus_gEynqDDvb8

        They could have presented it very differently. It is unfair to use “shock and horror” tactics on 6th graders, especially when they are unable to do much about abortion. Teachers could explain what abortion is and that every life is sacred and precious. I am pro-life, but would not allow my younger children to see this video.

  • Stacy

    I Wrote this after I was fired as an 8th grade FF teacher/voluteer for teaching about NFP, and abortion. (part of the curriculum)

    Still Burning!

    You can fire me, but you can’t quench the flame!
    My passion, my zeal: the Holy Spirit’s fire within me!
    They don’t belong to me or to you,
    So, you can fire me, but you can’t quench the flame!

    “Leave!” you say, “They can’t take your words of truth:
    How to live as Christian in the modern world.
    You are too much to bear.
    Few are like you…….
    And you must be as you are.”

    Yes, you can fire me, but you can’t quench the flame!
    Life-giving-love fuels my fire.
    A love that waters flickering flames,
    Flames that will not die under the grinding foot of persecution.
    Beware! Beware! The Stench of contraception, fornication, abortion
    Belches from Gehenna’s furnace whether you fire me or not!

    Go ahead and fire me! Hear my convicting voice no more.
    Rid yourselves of the sight of me
    And my un-perfect family of More-Than-Four.
    Spoon-feeding pabulum to starving souls preserves your illusion of Motherhood,
    Yet your children’s skeletal frames withstand not the breeze of even a midsummer eve.

    Lo! While firing me, your lukewarm soul has spit you out into the cold!
    Now, shiver among the revellers, with nary a match left after burning sacred texts.
    Wrap yourselves in the sheets of magisterial documents worn thin by your erasers.
    Pray for mercy while yet you breath,
    That tender flames will shoot a spark your way
    Catching the withered wick of your soul.

    For, despite your firing of an intentionally kindled soul,
    My flame incenses heaven’s throne on your behalf.
    Ah! You can fire me but you can’t quench the flame!

    By Stacy Peterson

    • Anne Hendershott

      I am so sorry this happened to you – I know there are others, but it still does not make your pain any easier.

    • Deb

      I’m sorry this happened to you. When I was a volunteer RE teacher to sixth grade, was asked to apologize to the parents of two students when I described abortion as cutting a baby in the womb into pieces and then discarding them in a dumpster. I was told they didn’t know what abortion was. I apologized for taking their job from them, but refused to apologize for word choice. I was not asked back.

    • St JD George

      Stacy, it pains me to read about your torment, but God bless you for your strong faith. To add insult to injury, it’s even more tormenting to realize that legions of children will continue through the system ill prepared and intentionally confused about their faith in the world. Jesus had strong admonition for those who would knowingly deceive children. I believe you are stronger for it today and have been annealed in your withstanding the fire of this unholy injustice.

  • M.J.A.

    Hope this turns out like in the parable of the unjust steward , that the offended who seems ruthless in their fervor to destroy the life of a woman who has had serious medical issues ( breast cancer ) and has two children to support , just because she decided to follow the biblical dictate , to hate what is evil – which is lying about the God given natures of humans and wanting to force others to pontificate the lie !
    Hope this would also help those in The Church, to put in more concrete ways to deal with such hatreds towards lives while assuring the offended, that they are not being judged as totally lost but capable of searching for God , thus to be healed ; the first step in that healing may be for the provoked , to ask for apologies and offering mercy , which , in turn , might help them to find mercy ,
    thus to be on the narrow and straight , safe path of searching – for God and His love and healing !
    Our Lord did not condone the cheating of the steward , only the ‘wisdom ‘ that is even in those of this world ; similarly , what the Holy Father meant too ,is it not to be taken to mean , how the searching for relationships and affection is truly a searching for God , thus having pointed them the way !

  • Jacqueleen

    Firstly, we are the Church Militant, are we not? What does that mean? Are we to sit back and play stupid or be silent not to make any waves? NO. NO. NO. It means that we are Soldiers for Jesus Through Mary and MUST STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THE WORD OF GOD and for RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. Kudos to Archbishop Cordileone and shame on Bishop Bootkooski for not supporting a Soldier for Christ. Pope Benedict asked us to use the media at our disposal to spread the Word and to Evangelize.

    Secondly, I held a Rosary Rally this past week end for the “DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE” sponsored by America Needs Fatima. It was a success for the one hour, but, surely if it went on longer the violent, loud and abusive left and gays would have destroyed the peaceful rally. We had one walker who loudly protested and of course we had the third finger from one car full of young people. Will I do it again next year? YES. YES. YES

    BTW, not one of the priests, religious or seminarians that I informed and invited showed up! They all belong to the CHURCH OF NICE! You know, the one Satan is taking over!

    GET OFF THE COZY SOFA AND PUT YOUR FAITH INTO ACTION…FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD…SEE THE BOOK OF JAMES. The Faithful Laity will save the church!

    • GG

      Thank you for the good work you do for the Church and souls.

      • Jacqueleen

        All glory, honor and praise belongs to Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, Soul of my soul. Thanks for your kind words.

    • Anne Hendershott

      That was courageous of you.

  • Seamrog

    I know there are two sides to every story.

    It is truly important to publish essays like this because it exposes what appears to be a real evil living below the surface in our Catholic Schools – even in our parishes.

    I would love to see the honest perspective of the Bishop and Pastor regarding the suspension of this teacher – could it really be as damning as it appears? Stop hiding behind the curtains of ‘personnel matters’ and let your faithful understand where your loyalties really lie.

    Could we please get a follow-up from the Bishop, or even from the Pastor on this? Are you capitulating to the evil surrounding us, are you afraid of the teacher’s lawyers, do you agree with her detractors, or is there something we are all missing?

    Come forth.

    • Gail Finke

      One problem with all stories like this is that we only see one side. We don’t know what is going on behind the scenes, what has happened before (with this teacher or school), what things the bishop knows that we don’t know, etc., what sort of lawsuits might have been threatened (or lost previously), etc. This seems egregious to me. But I don’t know the whole story… I can’t think of a way the pastor’s actions can be right. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

      • Seamrog

        Then they should share the reason. Publically.

        Do what needs to be done to protect the privacy of the teacher, but come forth and address what seems at the surface to be a serious evil.

  • cestusdei

    Homosexual activists begin by saying that it won’t affect us. But it does. They will hound anyone who dares disagree with them.

  • SnowBlossoms

    The teacher should get on her knees and thank our Lord for being given the opportunity to defend the Church, the Truth and the aborted babies..and to carry the cross of persecution. May God bless her and give us all, who love Him, her courage!

    “We will never know,” wrote Charles Peguy more
    than a century ago, “how many acts of cowardice have been motivated by the fear of not
    seeming sufficiently progressive.”
    “The temptation for the Church in the twenty-first century, will be to conform to the world.” Fulton J. Sheen
    “There is no slavery more complete than to be a child of one’s own age. G.K. Chesterton

    The war against Truth, the Church and Life has been going on since the beginning but I think the gates of hell have been opened and we are just beginning to see what’s coming for Christians who choose Christ.

    Saint Michael the Archangel,defend us in battle.Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -by the Divine Power of God -cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.
    Amen.

  • RaymondNicholas

    I wonder. Was the Pentecost limited to the apostles? That is, are modern Catholics bereft of the Holy Spirit? Does a dark hole exist in their hearts and minds where Revelation (and informed conscience) should be? There exists today so many wolves in sheep’s clothing, so many cowardly Catholics, that it makes be sick to the stomach to read Catholic news reports and commentary. And it’s only just beginning!

    • Juana Oner

      If you read in St Paul’s letters, things were a mess even back then. Human beings are frail, very frail…and there have been “false brethren” from the beginning. Even the apostles included Judas who turned traitor! But as to your point about cowardice: that’s why we all who hold the true faith need to stand up, and get ready to be persecuted. Ultimately the solution is to bring more and more of our Catholic brethren into an actual living relationship with Christ through the Church. They are so badly catechized (and often not making any effort of their own to learn either), many of them don’t even know any better, much less have a living faith and relationship with Christ and love for His Church. They have just absorbed the secular culture’s views and they don’t even realize it…this is my impression anyway. They think being Christian is just about “being nice” and really don’t get it. And they are easy prey for every secular ideology that comes down the pike as a result.

  • Tony

    One thing to do might be to tell the bishop, if you are in that diocese, that you will be sending your weekly contribution to a genuinely Catholic parish in another diocese, until the teacher is reinstated.

  • gfazzari

    It is always disappointing how easily many of us “give up” on the Catholic schools. If all the good Catholics give up – the school will have an even harder time maintaining it’s identity.
    Catholic schools are worth fighting for!

    • Atilla The Possum

      Catholic Schools must first teach the unvarnished Catholic faith that Archbishop Cordelione and other bishops are fighting for in the face of adversity … before they can call themselves Catholic for sure!

      • gfazzari

        Agreed. And it is more likely to happen when good Catholics “get involved”, instead of “running away”.

        • Atilla The Possum

          Exactly! I think the reason why good Catholics ”run away” is that the Church of Nice turn into nasty, bullying, intimidating personages and priests at parishes and schools don’t have the backbone or the sphericals to support those ‘good Catholics’ when they raise issues such as lack of Catechism lessons etc.

        • Seamrog

          What happened in my experience is that you are viewed as a ‘holier-than-thou’ who is upsetting the teachers, the principal and could drive families away from the school.

          You get shunned at school events, the school board views you as a liability, the pastor gets the sense you are a trouble maker.

          Your kids don’t get invited to the birthday parties, etc.

          We had daily mass at my former parish – can you guess how many students attended the daily mass, or how many parents brought their kids to a daily mass even every-so-often?

          With the exception of my children, NONE.

          My kids would get tardy notices if the mass went a little long – the principal shrugged if off and excused them, but the volunteer who manned the front door at the start of school still handed them out with a frown on her face.

          At some point, you cut your losses and move on.

          • Atilla The Possum

            If you get these bozos misquoting Pope Francis, tell them that you are actually doing what The Holy Father has asked us to do:
            MAKE A MESS!
            If the establishment you are talking about closes down, they will blame everyone else but themselves for the damage that’s been done… I’ve witnessed this scenario myself. The parish ended up being deconsecrated and wrecking balled!
            That’s what will happen to them and you won’t be around to see their pained expressions nor the sound of grinding false teeth.

        • Juana Oner

          But, again, if that has been tried, things are not improved because those in control refuse to even consider correcting things and abuse anyone who tries, and your child’s soul is at stake, plus lots of valuable dollars are being abused and wasted that could be used for good elsewhere…you surely wouldn’t keep the child there just because you don’t want the school to collapse into oblivion.
          Same with universities. No way would I pay upteen thousand dollars a year to send my child to a pseudo-Catholic school where they will be exposed to every form of immorality just like a non-Catholic university, and likely lose their faith too. That just doesn’t make sense, spiritually or financially. Someone needs to go in and reform it, but if it were me I wouldn’t play dice with my child’s soul.

    • Beth

      And I am to put my child’s spiritual and intellectual education on the line for the sake of the 99% of parents who only send their children to the “Catholic” school to get an elite education??? I don’t think so. My husband and I are the primary educators of our children which means that we must discern the BEST education for them and pursue it. Shame on you for blaming me that YOUR school is not up to standards.

      • gfazzari

        The best way to destroy a Catholic school, is to convince Catholics to leave. Imagine a community with a GREAT Catholic School. It is so appealing, I think it is worth the effort.

        I agree we all have tough decisions to make when raising our children.

        • Beth

          Greg, I get it. We have had our children in Catholic schools in a couple of different diocese. We finally left (to homeschool–Catholic homeschool) because it did not matter if we were on the school board, (we were), volunteering in the classroom, (we were), supporting ALL fundraising efforts, (we were), supporting parents organizations, (we were), meeting with teachers and administration regarding questionable actions by both entities, (we were)–even with all of that, we were ignored and patronized. All the efforts to try to make a GREAT Catholic School did not pay off. When we looked at the personnel, how much longer they would be there and how much more time our children would spend in the environment, the ONLY choice we could make was to take them out rather than leave them in a sub-par “Catholic” environment. Without the support of the local priest, the admin, and the diocesan school board to make the school truly Catholic, we were spinning our wheels and our children were just getting older by the minute, wasting precious educational time….. I wish you the best Greg. I hope your situation has more hope than our did.
          And I will close by saying that I see it all as a blessing for homeschooling has been the greatest thing we’ve ever done for our family.

        • Juana Oner

          I think that is a good sentiment, but I think at this juncture, if the local Catholic school is a danger to childrens’ souls, it can’t be supported. A bad Catholic school gives the child the impression that the falsity they are hearing is Catholic, that you can still be Catholic and believe that. In a public school, at least you know they’re being taught by non-Catholics (not that I would inflict public school on a child either, no way).
          What’s needed is the creation of new, alternative, fully faithful alternative Catholic schools, and some are starting. Then if the old ones that have problems get reformed, we’d be glad to support them.

          I don’t have children to worry about putting in school, but if I did, I would move to where a good truly faithful Catholic school is, or I’d home school. There is no way I’d let my child be taught by heretics/skeptics or people who aren’t trying their best to live and to teach a pure life of Catholic virtue. I mean, that’s the child’s eternal destiny we’re talking about, and earthly life too. To let them be taught by people who say they are Catholic but teach that premarital sex and birth control and abortion and same sex marriage are ok, and teach them the bible isn’t true and all that garbage–and sometimes they teach this by omission or in subtle ways–this is to destroy the kids souls, and experience shows that where they spend so much time, that’s what forms them. That’s why we’re losing them all. If it were me, I would review the textbooks and everything before I’d let my child go there, and if they weren’t able to convince me they were 100% on board with the faith as Rome has it in the Catechism, no way. If it wasn’t basically like Christendom College but for kids, no way.
          As it is, I don’t give money to the general Catholic school fund, because I am not supporting false teaching. I give to schools that I know are good, if/when I give to schools.

  • Seamrog

    What happened to the poor nun who was publicly chastised and embarrassed for stating Catholic teaching to a Catholic HS in Charlotte, NC?

    Is she still ‘in seclusion?’

    • Chris

      I thought about that, too. The bishop in that case – I think it was a South Carolina diocese – responded in a wishy washy fashion and did not forcefully defend the sister. The impression I was left with by his statements was that she was in the wrong. Every time the espiscopate tries to finesse the homosexuality issue and not meet it head on, it gets worse the next time. Instead of a sister who can retreat to the support of her community we have a lay person who is getting terminated after 31 years. There IS absolutely no way that the Catholic teaching on homosexuality can be taught without giving homosexuals offense. Either you stick with what’s in the catechism and teach it or you abandon it. There is no third way. Cardinal Tagle is very wrong – he and Kasper are damaging the church.

      • Veritas

        Sister resides and works in Tennessee; and she’s forgotten more theology than most bishops will ever know.

  • LHJ

    We don’t need a big plan we need small groups to help and encourage each other and stay informed and discuss the issues. Some of the problem is our Catholic brethren who fail to see the urgency of the situation and the consequences of inaction. The situation in my estimation truly is a “Crisis”. If something is not done soon it will become a real disaster and our children and grand children will suffer. Part of the battle needs to be fought on the individual level in dialogue with friends,neighbors and family. We need small groups of like minded people to spread the word, letters to the editor and that sort of thing. There is no sense of urgency the frog is comfortable and the water temperature is rising. “We the people”need to wake up! That is what will make a positive change. Stop blaming everyone else, most bishops and priests are overwhelmed and not equipped to handle all this and are doing the best they can.
    The war is ongoing most are oblivious we need to alert them before it is too late. L

  • gfazzari

    Join the staff…that’s what I did.

    • The staff of what?

      • gfazzari

        Sorry…reply went to wrong spot. I joined the staff of a Catholic High School.

        • Walk softly and carry a big Catechism…

  • joebissonnette

    Patricia Jannuzzi sounds like a really good teacher, and now she’s been called to be a sign of contradiction, like Our Lord. I can’t help but think that the greatest lesson she will ever impart to her students is now being taught by her lived witness, after being forced out of the classroom.
    I teach Religion in a Catholic school in Ontario, and I agree with the writers who lament our lukewarmness but I also agree that our schools, flawed though they are, are worth fighting for. And fighting in. Anne Hendershott is spot on quoting Phillip Reiff – “where there is culture there is struggle”. It’s been said that though we all know we’re mortal, everyone is surprised by death. Similarly I think we all know that the faith entails struggle and persecution and yet we are shocked and terrified when it does come.
    Patricia Jannuzzi is likely a very good teacher, but now she is having “greatness thrust upon her”. It takes spiritual eyes to see this, and I pray that Patricia and her family can see that they are blessed and blessed.

    • Anne Hendershott

      I hope Patricia Jannuzzi sees this kind note from you – She needs to know that there are many of us praying for her – and admiring her for her courage.

  • jacobum

    Several quotes from Venerable Abshp Sheen come to mind:
    ·
    “Cowards go to Hell. Never forget that. No matter what happens in your life…never forget
    that basic truth”

    “The very qualities that the world praises…tolerance applied to principles, open-mindedness applied to truth….are the very qualities that lead souls straight to Hell!”
    ·
    “Judas Iscariot is the patron saint of social justice”

    And the clincher that was prescient and rings the loudest:
    ·
    “Who is going to save our Church? Do not look to the priests. Do not look to the
    Bishops.It’s up to you, the laity, to remind our priests to be priests and our Bishops to be Bishops.”

    Clearly, the biggest problems and enemies of the Church are within the Church. We should expect more scandal, not less. If anyone doubts it they are simply asleep.

    • somebigguy

      Exactly, jacobum. Ours is the story of Israel; we bring such disasters upon ourselves.

    • Cool mick

      Brilliant ! I’ll add one more:

      “America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.” ― Fulton J. Sheen

      • Juana Oner

        I’m sure if dear Ven. Abp. Sheen were here today, he’d be the subject of attack as well… Abp. Sheen, pray for us!

      • jacobum

        Thanks for including it. Gotta Love Abshp Sheen. Can you just imagine what he would be saying right about now? And to Whom? The “Bishops” of today would die of embarrassment (with some exceptions like Cordeleone” Paint would be peeling off the walls from his incisive, biting rhetoric delivered with style, clarity and charity. AmChurch has not been the same since his passing.

  • NJCatholicmother

    I have a sixth grade child, and I think grade school is too young for discussions of abortion and homosexuality outside of the home. If the parents want to discuss it, fine. There is a lot more to learn at that age in theology class.

  • CarlsPatrick

    This is precisely why America is known as the Babylon of the world. Never mind the Middle East. We have the roots of evil right here on our own home soil.

  • Bruno

    Brethren what is at stake is not a minor matter. It is: WILL YOU BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT TO YOUR CHILDREN THE VALUES THAT WE HELD DEAR SINCE WE FIRST CAME TO BE, AND WHICH ARE THE SOIL ON WHICH FAITH SPRINGS? I feel enraged by this Bishop’s fickleness and may even have sinned in emailing his Diocese a few moments ago, but this is a matter of utmost importance and all must strive or be held accountable for the faithlessness and monstrosities which will be perpetrated by the generation to come. Ever be charitable but do not sway!

  • BillLG5

    Parents ought to remove their children from the school.

  • SnowBlossoms

    So Catholics are not allowed to teach Catholicism in a Catholic School to Catholic children, yet in order to learn to accept homosexuality and abortion etc..they are to learn of these things and how to get to the point where one would need an abortion or what homosexuals do so they know what not to say and how to dance around the issues…? Sounds like a good education in how to get to hell to me.

  • Lynn Rogers

    This entire situation is unbelievable to me. Catholics who stand up for truth are being relegated to silence. Pushed back, even by those in the Church. Secularism is a force that we need to fight, not welcome into our schools and parishes.

  • JP

    Those in my father’s generation would never have tolerated this kind of bullying (he is over 80). Fists would have been used. As a matter of fact, in 1911 there was some kind of scandal in one of our Hungarian parishes (the newspaper never said what it was, but many people believe the priest had an affair with one of the married woman in the parish). A riot broke out in the Little Hungry neighborhood, and the priest literally had to sprint to the train station to avoid being lynched.

    But, those were different Catholics.

  • Florian

    March 25th..until our Bishops stand together and weed out all those who do not stand with the Church and her teachings this will continue. The enemies of the Church are within! Our Catholic schools and Universities have been infiltrated by radical anti-Catholics who teach students to think for themselves…meaning to think and act contrary to what the Church teaches. Those students who stand with Christ and His Church are ridiculed…this is a long standing problem and I don’t understand why it is not being addressed and cleaned up by our Bishops. “Catholic” schools and Universities who do not stand with Christ and His Church and the teachings of the Church should be told to remove the title Catholic from their school…if they don’t then word should go out publicly that this is not a Catholic Institution so faithful Catholic parents can make a choice for their children based on fact…why is this not being done?

  • ve6

    Discussing sodomy is never comfortable.

  • Guest_august

    Despite all the warnings about Sodomy in the Sacred Scriptures and in the writings of the Church Fathers still some Catholic Prelates want this abomination to be welcome in the RCC.
    No wonder the evil kite that was flown in Cordoba Argentina last year.
    http://www.popeleo13.com/pope/2014/06/02/category-archive-message-board-51-sodomy-in-cordoba/

  • OneWhoCares

    It is hard to read these stories and comments while knowing how much the Diocese has financially supported this family over the years. The husband is also a full-time teacher at Immaculata and receives health benefits. He requires his students to purchase a book that he authored as part of required curriculum. The two boys were educated at a substantial financial discount through Catholic elementary and high school. For the family to start a fundraising campaign that states they lost health benefits and have no money to send the boys to college is very shameful, especially to those who have know them throughput the years.

    • RufusChoate

      This is a spam post that you’re posting at multiple sites. It should be flagged.

      Your concept of wages paid by any institution or business as permanent indenture is positively idiotic and bizarre.

      This woman commented on a vile controversy by a Homosexual activist who was a paramour to a homosexual priest for many years before deciding he was qualified to offer advice on Sex. Her opinion was based on the authentic teaching of the Catholic Church and the public policy philosophy of homosexual activists.

    • GG

      Thanks for the propaganda post. You state both parents are employed by a Catholic school. I doubt they make much money doing that. In fact, they probably sacrificed a lot to teach there.

      What is truly shameful is that the lady said nothing uncharitable and spoke the truth. That she is being persecuted is a scandal and an abuse.

    • SnowBlossoms

      You have only two comments associated with this account, that’s it and both comments are identical. So you made this account to post this comment only. Good try.

  • geraldine clark

    Reply to Rufus Choate – Yes, I do know about John Fischer.(sp?)
    I can see myself standing up for truth, I always have, but the part which
    I could not manage to do it in love. Has taken most of my long life to begin.
    Other wise, are we not like the Pharisees?

  • Juana Oner

    We should brace ourselves, because this, and much worse, is the future of faithful Catholics (by which I mean, Catholics who actually believe and try as best they can to live ALL the teachings of the Faith – both doctrine and morals). What is so disturbing is how people claim to be Catholic but show themselves to be anything but, and are willing to crucify sincere and faithful members of the Body of Christ who are simply upholding the teachings of Christ and the Popes. We can fully expect that when the secular forces in this country start putting us in jail and who knows what else, these false Catholics are going to add to our misery by being on their side, against the Church and its faithful members. They may be sincere, but they are deeply in error and deeply misguided – their views are secular and bear little resemblance to the Faith.

  • Aldo Elmnight

    It has been estimated that half of priests are homosexuals. This battle began 40 yerars ago when the seminaries were overtaken by sodomites. Do not be surprised when a priest supports mortal sin and vigorously support those that oppose it. While many of the new priests are orthodox and want to defend truth they are not the ones in power.

    • RufusChoate

      The population of Homosexuals in the Catholic Priesthood is the same as the general population at >2% and they still cost us 1.7 Billion in abuse just imagine how they are going to improve marriage.

      • Aldo Elmnight

        That figure you quote is the % of priests caught abusing minors. Most abuse (80%) was pederasty –> homosexual priest with teenage boy. The number of priests who suffer from same sex attraction is much larger.

        http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/29/catholic-priests-its-empirical-fact-that-many-clergy-are-gay

        • RufusChoate

          Ahh no. the 2% is the consensus of the general population of homosexuals in the Priesthood.

          The 40% to 70% is pure homosexualist fantasy but there are several diocese that have higher than normal percentages.

      • Simple & Plain

        Ah yes, the secret power struggle of the gay priests, bishops, cardinals, and probably the Pope within the Vatican. Wherever you have a gathering of people who have sworn off sex, they are clearly gay. If you’re not having sex, you’re probably gay. I see even vanity fair has dabbled into the secret.

        • RufusChoate

          So you are denying that there is a coterie of Homosexuals in the American Catholic Church’s hierarchy that have engaged in subversion of the faith?

          It is pretty well documented that Rembert Weakland, Cardinal Egan, Archbishop Lori, Bishop McCormack, Cardinal Bernardin, Cardinal Mccarrick and many others if not homosexuals themselves (rare case) surrounded themselves with homosexuals both in formation and in positions of authority. How does that square with your comment?

          Search for Monsignor Kevin Wallin and Father Michael Jude Fay then consider that they were protected for decades and faithful priests who attempted to inform multiple Bishops of their offenses persecuted for their trouble. Fay bragged that he and Egan were more than close.

          • Simple & Plain

            There’s obviously clergy in the global Church who are not only gay, but disobey their celibate vows and engage in same sex relationships. I’m denying that they are controlling the world. And that the whole system is gay.

            • RufusChoate

              Then we are clearly in agreement. It is a Western phenomenon.

            • GG

              It is that blackmail is a big problem. The lavender mafia is not a myth.

      • JP

        I would even at this late date, around 20-25% of the clergy are practicing homosexuals.

        • RufusChoate

          Nope… not even close.

  • Cbalducc

    The sad fact is many Catholic schools stopped being “Catholic” long ago. They typically cater to a secularized liberal middle and upper class who care little, if anything, about Catholicism. At best, they offer a better SECULAR education. The bishops are certainly aware of this, but I am afraid some of them are either too complacent or afraid of offending the wealthy liberal alumni.

  • Robert Harris

    I don’t know about the other cases, but as for the abortion issue, if the kids in sixth grade haven’t had sex ed, it’s a bit obtuse to be teaching them about a possible consequence OF SEX, that is the desire to procure an abortion.

    As for Januzzi, I clearly understand why the diocese didn’t back her. Her rantings read like the stay-at home mom in some backwoods, red state with nothing better to do while the kids and husband are away but post conservative Catholic jargon cloaked in conspiracy theories. She didn’t defend any aspect of orthodoxy, which is what the Church is required to uphold. Rabid political opinion only relevant to one society out of the many on the planet should not be defended with Church time or money.

    Also, thinking one can hit the bishop upside the head with a bunch of spam to bend him to your will? Infantile and also very unorthodox. I guess obedience to those in authority only counts when it suits the convictions of those with the gaul to call another Catholic less Catholic than they.

    • Atilla The Possum

      ”Rantings ‘read like the stay-at-home mom in some backwoods’? YOU can understand why the diocese didn’t back her? Rabid political opinion? She didn’t defend any aspect of orthodoxy? Thinking one can hit the bishop upside the head with a bunch of spam to bend him to your will? Infantile and also very unorthodox.”

      Let’s look at what you have scrawled here. You think you are describing Mrs Januzzi in your post. After closer inspection, those words I have between the quotes which I’ve culled from your post is far more typical of liberal, Church of Nice, lily-livered, empty-headed, immature no-nothings of the LGBTs and CINOs who know naff-all about Church Teaching or the Catechism.
      You are a supercilious, condescending snob who is looking down your nose at a faithful Catholic who knows what IT IS to be Catholic – and you have the neck to describe this courageous woman as ‘a stay-at-home mom in some backwoods’! Who the heck do you think you are?
      I’ll tell you.

      ROFLMHO! LOL! You are a 24 carat troll, Robert Harris!
      Don’t hit the door on your way out.

      • Robert Harris

        She made baseless connections between a conspiracy theory concerning liberals and LGBT issues and the need to stave off radical Islam. One of her comments was punctuated with multiple exclamation points. She doesn’t need to write like she teaches at Aquinas college, but it would help if she actually drafted something that’s edifying and worth reading. My take is if you can’t publish the collection of her sayings and sell it, why is it relevant to anyone?

        She doesn’t strike me as a teacher I would ever find effective and it shows since the diocese isn’t backing down. It would be ludicrous for them to put their seal of approval on poorly-written, erratic comments of some random teacher at one of their parochial schools, especially after how she and her cohorts reacted when she was let go (which it seems to me they did after asking her to remove the comments, which shouldn’t have been a big deal since they clearly weren’t her finest hour). I mean, seriously, try to look up what she actually said and tell me how ridiculous it would look it she were martyred in some bizarre, distopian turn of events.

        The way she and her defenders presume that this is some sort of battle to be won to the point of actually getting organizations and foot soldiers involved to storm the diocese’s office after utterly humiliating them publicly online is a huge slap in the face to the Church they claim to love. I’m sure the bishop and those who work with him have far more important things on their plate than placating and reinstating an educator who proved she doesn’t possess the prudence to be educating minors, like, you know, running their diocese at large. The only reason she’s got an army behind her is clearly because of all the money where she is in NJ. If it were in an inner city or some middle of the road suburb, we probably wouldnt hear a peep because the perpetrator in that scenario wouldnt be nearly as entitled, which is really what this is about: entitlement. Entitlement to a job she lost by her own choice. If she’s really gonna get up on a cross over this, she should be willing to carry it through and not ask to be brought down because she couldn’t handle the consequences of her own actions.

        • RufusChoate

          I have already commented on this to another Homosexual on this site but just because you don’t know or believe something and find it inconvenient to doesn’t make it untrue.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-roger-denson/is-homosexuality-populati_b_784449.html

          • Robert Harris

            So…because some Huffpo blogger drafted a piece in 2010 concerning a similar issue to the one this woman was railing about in 2015, it all comes together. It all fits. I’m rendered absolutely speechless. I’m felled by your razor sharp attention to detail. Where did you learn to do research like that?

            In case you didn’t check this, my masters is from NU. Do some real research and get back to me.

            • GG

              Ah, the usual from the “gay” crowd.

            • RufusChoate

              Too funny, What is your Masters in and what school is NU? I will speculate that your masters in food preparation, Gender/”fill in the blank for disaffected subculture” Studies or Origami because no one with a real worthwhile Masters omits the area of concentration.

              You need to do your own research to play with the adults and not default to odd girl snark.
              p.s. On a related topic: BA Political Science, BS Computer Science and MS Computer Science.

              • Robert Harris

                One, you’re putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say that no one believes this. I know for a fact that it’s a common tactic within certain Catholic and Protestant circles to instill prejudice towards people with whom they may disagree. I’ve heard it touted multiple times before. That said, the same measure of cynicism that you measure to someone else will be measured to you.

                Second, as someone who’s trained to sing over orchestras sixty times your size with zero amplification, I’m proud of my BM with honors from UM and my previously mentioned degree. Since you probably know jack squat about opera or how singers do it, what it means, how to analyze it, the history and culture that has surrounded it for four centuries, that we have to possess a basic working proficiency (if not outright fluency) in at least four, sometimes five or six languages depending on our repertoire (English, Italian, French, German, Russian, Czech, etc.) in order to bring the character off of the pages of the libretto while singing in a language that probably isn’t your first, acting, sometimes dancing, sometimes jumping on a trampoline or rolling around on roller skates (no, seriously) I’ll let you go ahead and take any swipe at my intelligence you would like. By the way, when’s the last time you walked and chewed gum at the same time?

                • RufusChoate

                  Nice effort and good for you. I didn’t words in your mouth which a review of your posts disparaging her comment on her facebook would easily corroborate. The point is the proposal of Homosexuality as the only viable ecologically sound and sustainable lifestyle choice is found in Environment literature as far back as the 1970’s. It is a topic of interest in gender studies programs and I have heard it from Homosexual apologists repeatedly in my professional experience. Denying it and marginalizing it as a fringe opinion is simply dishonest and deliberately fraudulent.

                  While you are commenting on the written words of her Facebook post it might be an opportunity to engage in some reflection about whether your own facebook page is a worthy representation of your personality.

                  Good luck with the singing . I am always in awe of anyone with even the slightest music ability. Cheers.

        • GG

          The lavender mafia at work.

        • ranger01

          More lavender smoke and mirrors. Yawn. Next.

      • RufusChoate

        Too true. It is a hobby for the odd folk to share their warped view of the world with everyone.

    • GG

      A load.

    • mitch64

      LOL Robert if you don’t follow along the party line here you are automatically called a “troll.” I almost could agree your a troll as you hit all the hot buttons of Crisis, masking political and social views as faith, crazy conspiracy theories and of course, “the backwoods, red state” crack…(though you could have upped it by adding in “home schooling,” to that sentence..but that might have cause a riot!)

      Though I have to agree that Mrs. Jannuzzi was not defending the faith but mouthing of as we all do on Facebook. She mentions nothing about doctrine that I saw, and while her comment about Mommies and Daddies is not a big deal (and only seem ridiculous in light of does it need to be said…who is arguing against that???) her “(gay activists) want to reengineer western civilization into a slow extinction,” seems, to the rest of the world goofy and indeed paranoid..(I love those evil gay activists and their constant plots against all that is right and good, they are like the Dr. Evil to right wingers..)If you agree with her or not you can see that a woman in her position should not be posting on what essentially is a public forum. More then making her seem homophobic, I think the school really had more of a problem that she seemed ignorant.

  • Ray W.

    This contract non-renewal sits at the base of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

    We are obliged to pray for the souls of those Catholics-in-name-only who failed to support this woman correct teaching and caused, or allowed by their neglect and failure to act, her loss to be added to the mounting count of diabolical triumphs prophesized to mark the Last Days.

    Perspective might be restored if in humility we recall The Apostle of Divine Mercy
    St. Maria Faustina Kowalska of the Congregation of the Sisters of Our Lady of Mercy —
    “Today, I was led by an angel to the Chasms of Hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw:
    The First Torture that constitutes hell is: The loss of God.
    The Second is Perpetual remorse of conscience.
    The Third is That one’s condition will never change.
    The Fourth is: The fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it. A terrible suffering since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger.
    The Fifth Torture is: Continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own.
    The Sixth Torture is: The constant company of Satan.
    The Seventh Torture is: Horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.

    We hear from Our Lord that it is never too late to repent and do the right thing.

    As for the gay lobby, their agitation over this simple clear defense of Truth is yet one more sign of the desperate and giddy, stiletto-wearing, rainbow panty shakers at their worse. Those who lead this movement today — unlike the justified self-defense days of a brutal Stonewall — are harming the innocent. They are viciously aggressive yet moving backwards.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    This is another sad and disgusting story of a shepherd in the Church caving into the culture of death. It may seem like our emails don’t have any effect but we must raise our voices for Christ and love while we can.
    Most Reverend Paul G. Bootkoski, DD
    Diocese of Metuchen
    146 Metlars Lane
    Piscataway, NJ 08854
    (732) 562-1990 ext. 1711
    bishop@diometuchen.org
    Immaculata High School
    Mrs. Jean Kline, principal: jkline@immaculatahighschool.org

    • Margaret in MI

      The Immaculata Highschool website informs us that this high school has IHM sisters teaching there also, I have wondered what their statement has been ? An order of sisters whose congregation started in Monroe, Michigan? This unjust, anti-Christian action, was earlier written about in Britebart News, reading the heart felt concerned comments has been encouraging. (especially from ‘littleeif’ and ‘Jim in Pittsburg’, among others) Perhaps some of us could start a new kindof committee in our parish, one that tracks these anti-Christian, spiritual battle true stories, summarizes them for the weekly bulletin with petitions for prayers, creating more awareness of specific, real prayer needs

  • emiliani

    It’s IMPOSSIBLE to imagine Ignatius of Loyola adopting, for his schools, a curriculum shaped by the likes of Descartes, Erasmus, Voltaire, or Marx. I’m pretty sure it would NEVER happen.

    Many of our most beloved Priests and Bishops simply don’t know there’s a vicious war on Catholic Sexual Orthodoxy I’m not sure where they’ve been, but this story is pretty standard: orthodox person states what’s in the Catechism of the Catholic Church; orthodox person is lambasted for maintaining orthodoxy; Catholic prelate/priest publicly supports those opposed to the person proclaiming Catholic Orthodoxy.

    I’m sorry, but I’ve seen it WAY too many times!! This is the reason my family Home Schools. We can’t even trust Catholic Schools to stand with Catholic teaching. I’m sure I’m not alone.

    Maybe this is why SO many priests and religious are no longer coming from “Catholic” Institutions … they’re simply NOT Catholic anymore. Pull your child out until/unless you know your Catholic School is committed to the teachings of the Magisterium.

  • ranger01

    The Pope, the Papal Nuncio, the USCCB, all know of these incidents and offer no clear public support to these teachers, priests or Archbishop Cordileone. Why the silence? No backbone.
    Truth be told, the Bishop of Rome is afraid to confront the gay mob which we all know exists and which hates the Church and is within the Church. Same goes for the USCCB. They cannot/will not stand and take the heat, which in this day and age is significant.
    Plan accordingly.

  • Jenny

    Absolutely amazing. I’m dumbfounded that a Catholic school would choose popular opinion over church doctrine. She is on the Catholic Church’s side and they turned their backs on her. Just goes to show how powerful the devil is. Keep fighting everyone. Keep your eye on the ball and don’ t let the devil deceive you.

  • pbecke

    ‘While it is understandable that the Pennsylvania pastor would want to
    de-escalate the public controversy by apologizing for allowing the film
    to be shown…’

    Is it? Do you really think so? They want a war, let them have one They are the cowards and bullies. Why pander to their weakness, instead of setting them straight?

    Imagine if Jesus and he Apostles had deferred to the demons and their human agents.

  • Norman

    Thank you for the article Ms. Hendershott… You know I wonder if things like this would happen to an elite secular institution like Mensa… If the idea of an IQ was offensive to me, and not only would I not acknowledge the IQ’s existence by testing to join, but that I also wanted to lead a think tank to disprove the existence of an IQ due to the fact that some find it offensive; would I be supported?
    From the looks of this article, I would, but wouldn’t that totally defeat the purpose of Mensa’s existence?
    Insert “Catholic teaching” in lieu of a “secular institution like Mensa” above, and “the idea of an IQ” in lieu of “truth”, then truth is dictated via emotivism and our intellect is bordering useless; are we really so wealthy and powerful that whatever our feelings on a particular subject are, are synonymous with what “the truth” is?…
    I mean it’s not like anyone has ever felt or experienced an unpleasant emotion, so that’ll work out well.

  • Hans-Georg Lundahl

    I was prolife and aware that some go to Hell before grade six …

    • PaulOfTarsus

      you know that a 6th grader warrants Hell?

      Could you expound on this?

      • GG

        What age does that kick in according to you?

      • Hans-Georg Lundahl

        I was aware, before grade six, that some go to Hell. I was, before grade six, a prolifer. That is what I meant to say and which was relevant for discussion.

        Sorry for confusion.

        However, one has free will in sufficient use from age seven on, so that one can get saved without having been baptised as an infant and can conversely also get to hell rather than limbo if unbaptised or heaven if baptised.

        One can blaspheme or steal (but one would have to be good at it to steal enough from someone to get damned at such a young age) or hate one’s way into Hell before grade six. And around that time one can start lusting oneself into Hell as well. And obviously one can become an Atheist and go to Hell for that.

        • PaulOfTarsus

          There is no such place as LIMBO.

          Free Will is from our birth there is no age associated with it.
          For one to earn hell they have to absolutely reject the Trinity. Since young adults haven’t received a formal religious education by the 6th grade it is unlikely they have enough information to fully understand their rejection of GOD and the consequences.

          It seems some have a great emphasis on hell and who will go there rather than Heaven and who goes there. Why would someone spend their life thinking and talking about damning people to hell rather than thinking and talking with them about Heaven. For it is easier to get to Heaven than to get oneself into hell.

          Though the Catholic church is the only one to believe in purgatory – why not consider going there rather than straight to hell?

          • Hans-Georg Lundahl

            There is no such place as LIMBO.

            Wrong.

            Free Will is from our birth there is no age associated with it.

            I am not speaking of the capacity, but of such use of it as one can get saved or lost by.

            For one to earn hell they have to absolutely reject the Trinity.

            Well, no, not subjectively in those precise terms.

            Since young adults haven’t received a formal religious education by the
            6th grade it is unlikely they have enough information to fully
            understand their rejection of GOD and the consequences.

            a) you are yourself presuming there is an age if too little maturity to get to Hell;

            b) I do not agree it extends up to grade six;

            c) I do also not agree it depends on having received a formal religious education;

            d) I do most vehemently not agree being in sixth grade IMPLIES not having received such a thing.

            Two of the three seers at Fatima died before the age necessary for sixth grade education, and they had nevertheless received formal religious education in the form of Catechism not just before dying but before the visions too.

            It seems some have a great emphasis on hell and who will go there rather
            than Heaven and who goes there. Why would someone spend their life
            thinking and talking about damning people to hell rather than thinking
            and talking with them about Heaven. For it is easier to get to Heaven
            than to get oneself into hell.

            One mortal sin is enough to get to Hell.

            You are very hasty on what I have an emphasis on. The question here on the topic was whether it was appropriate for a sixth grade teacher to take up facts like Hell and abortion. My answer was simply that I knew of these facts well before sixth grade. So, other question, you put to me was if someone in sixth grade could already go to Hell if he died. My answer is yes. Talking about who can go to Heaven would not have answered the question straight.

            Now, I did take up that question on my own accord anyway.

            Up to age seven (as usually presumed) or age of reason (as defined by catechism) an unbaptised infant can only go to limbo, a baptised one only to Heaven and if he sinned venially at age four before dying might have to spend some time in Purgatory first.

            From age seven, you can both get to Heaven even if you were not baptised as an infant and sin badly enough to get to Hell. So, I took up who can get to Heaven also in my answer. Even before you made your hasty little judgement on me.

            Though the Catholic church is the only one to believe in purgatory – why not consider going there rather than straight to hell?

            Purgatory is not a probation chamber to give you extra time before getting to Hell. It’s a bathroom were you can get scrubbed an extra time before getting to Heaven.

            The Catholics are alone in defining Purgatory as a dogma, but not in having it at least as an optional belief, witness Orthodox (though famously Mark of Ephesus rejected it and thought prayers for the dead had another function) and Anglicans (CSL believed in Purgatory, “though not the Romish doctrine of it”).

            ALL bodies claming with some realism Apostolic succession of episcopacy and Apostolic tradition of doctrine use prayers for the dead and some kind of indulgences. These are four : RC, EO, “Monophysites” (really subdivides in Copts – of Egypt and Ethiopia – and Armenians) and Nestorians.

            See the correspondence with Steve Rudd on the topic of Apostolic Tradition:

            http://assortedretorts.blogspot.fr/p/answering-steve-rudd.html

  • RDPaul

    Having taught 7th and 8th grade I must say that in 6th grade I MIGHT be concerned about violating the latency period, depending on the actual content of the film.

  • jcsmitty

    Thank God for Mother Angelica and EWTN. If there is a will, there is a way. I can still hear a good homily when I tune in to hear the Mass from one of EWTN’s orthodox priests! Loved the Mission this past week by Fr. Bill Casey, who reminded us that sin is still sin and that the devil is still the father of lies.

  • a sinner

    I writhe in empathetic agony as I read of yet another teacher sacrificed on the altar of pettiness, fiefdoms, and politically corrected “Catholic” education.

    My family has suffered many moves and financial hardship because of “contract not renewed” situations that stemmed from love of the Faith. Perhaps I could have been more cunning or charming, but faithful seems better.

    Patricia Jannuzzi, WRBaker, Jim in Pittsburgh, Tony in Florida, and I share a sad legacy. My wife suffers, my children suffer, and I agonize over how I could have done things differently. Jim you repeatedly asked, “Will you help?” I AM ON BOARD! Please, God, give us strength.

    Two iconic/ironic “Catholic” School stories for your amusement:
    1. The first year I signed a diocesan teaching contract, I pointed out a typo that omitted the word “not.” The contract stated clearly that I could be dismissed for “teaching what the Church teaches!” Despite the fact that I pointed that this out to the principal and inserted the word “not” each time, my contract year after year said the same thing!

    2. The USCCB asked that we all consider eating dinner on Fridays of Lent that reflected the poverty budget delineated by the USDA as an act of solidarity with the poor. I thought that was a very good idea and went to the USDA website to act accordingly. After some calculation, however, I discovered that my Catholic school teacher’s salary had necessitated that my family lived for SIX YEARS on a food budget that was 1/3 LESS than the “temporary, emergency” poverty food budget! My letter to the USCCB pointing out that fact was unanswered. (We have two $10/mo cell phones, junky cars, and no television and have still had to cut our budget “to the bone” further and further as the children have grown.)

  • barthomew

    A study on sexuality by the University of Chicago concluded that the word “homophobe” should not be used in science, because there are religious and moral reasons for why some people might oppose homosexual acts and alleged homosexual marriage. Thus, those who use the term are anti-science and pseudo-scientific. It resembles Thomas Jefferson using the pseudo-science of phrenology to support slavery and his own ownership of slaves on the grounds that the particular bumps on the heads of blacks showed that they are naturally inferior.

  • GreggorytheGreat

    The Catholic Schools around the country are being converted to public secular schools we see this at Catholic Universities across the country Notre Dame, Marquette University and Georgetown University who lost the Catholic Faith. Bishops are hiring non Catholics who do not have the Faith to teach Catholic children who’s parents pay big money to get a Catholic Education. Archbishop Cordileoni of San Francisco has the backbone to turn this anti- Catholic culture around asserting Catholic Identity and hard rules to live by according to Catholic Doctrine and Teachings. He’s getting attacked from outside the Church and from a fifth column inside the Church. Students who do not accept the Faith should be expelled. Parents who do not accept the teachings of the Catholic Church should be excommunicated. Teacher who are Catholic only do not accept the Catholic Teachings and want to teach new age secularism should be fired. It’s that simple. It’s not complicated. The Truth is the Truth .

  • John Grondelski

    There is one hopeful sign: reaching the canonical age of 75, Metuchen Bishop Bootkoski may also be out of HIS job come this summer.

  • Utah Rose

    Shame on some of these Bishops. Instead of defending the faith, and the teacher and priest they are instead like Peter in a state of denial. They are acting like shepherds in wolves clothing. If we can’t depend on them to speak out, why would the laity who have more to lose if you disagree with the minority who are now in charge, due to fear, what will the next step be? And in this case the children who Jesus protected in a special way are not being told the truth. They’re not being fed by their shepherds because they flee when they’re being attacked. There are some brave priests out there who do feel responsible for people’s souls but many times theyre being silenced by their Bishops. We need to pray for them on Divine Mercy Sunday especially since some are in danger of losing their souls to this fallacy. Being accommodating or silent feeds the notion that the Church either doesn’t care or will be accommodating to this culture. And, we wonder why we’re losing members to the Evangelical Churchs?

  • St Donatus

    Where are the faithful Catholics in that High School and Diocese protesting these actions. Why aren’t they out their with signs. It works for the homosexual lobby, why not for Catholics too. Turn up the heat or nothing will ever change. If this happened in my diocese, I would be out there protesting.

  • MIKE

    Using Sacred Scripture (a Catholic Bible),
    and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (aka CCC, second edition of 1997, dark green cover in the USA) which was promulgated as part of the Apostolic Constitution – can accurately and with authority answer
    all questions regarding the Faith including the “hot” issues regarding: adultery, fornication, homosexual acts, divorce and remarriage, contraception, viewing pornography, etc.
    .
    All Catholics including high ranking clergy are required to adhere to the Bible and CCC.
    If there are issues at your Parish or within your Diocese, you can use these as documentation on true teachings of the Church when speaking to others including Priests and Bishops.

    For helpful quotes from Popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis on our reading of the CCC see: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE” .
    http://whatcatholicsreallybelieve.com/

    (Some Bishops and Priests may not believe us, but with the right documentation, they have no choice.)

    • MIKE

      For those Bishops (like Bootkoski) who like to mis-quote Pope Francis –
      Here are a few real quotes that can be found on the Vatican web site:

      “….. let us ask ourselves if we have actually taken a few steps to get to know Christ and the truths of faith more, by reading and meditating on the Scriptures,
      studying the Catechism,
      steadily approaching the Sacraments.” – Pope Francis , May 15, 2013.

      ” The Church never takes faith for granted, but knows that this gift of God needs to be nourished and reinforced so that it can continue to guide her pilgrim way.”….. “Read in this light, the prophetic text leads to one conclusion: we need knowledge, we need truth, because without these we cannot stand firm,
      we cannot move forward.
      Faith without truth does not save, it does not provide a sure footing.”…..
      “These, then, are the four elements which comprise the storehouse of memory which the Church hands down: the profession of faith, the celebration of the sacraments, the path of the ten commandments, and prayer.
      The Church’s catechesis has traditionally been structured around these four elements; this includes the CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, which is a fundamental aid for that unitary act with which the Church communicates the entire content of her faith:
      “all that she herself is, and all that she believes”. “ – Pope Francis (Encyclical Letter LUMEN FIDEI, 2013)

  • Diabolus Candidus

    Rieff’s books, Triumph of the Therapeutic and Charisma, remind us that, “Where there is culture, there is struggle.” For Rieff, culture is war by other—normative—means. “By its very nature the work of culture—including Catholic culture—is the matter and manner of disarming competing culture.”

    Very neo-conny take. We have to war all the time, either throughout the planet or here at home.

    MORE WAR PLEASE!

    Actually, I’m bored to death with war. I just tune into places like this or FNC to make sure they are still as crazy as I remember them.

  • Rondre

    No need for this long epistle. This teacher was hurtful in her comments.

  • Rondre

    Sad to read so few well thought out educated comments. This is the only way you are going to convince anyone. So many of these comments just prove that we are turning out the next generation of mindless Catholic lay-bots. You and I should expect more from Crisis.

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