Will the New AIDS Pill Promote Promiscuity?

More than four decades ago, Pope Paul VI predicted in Humanae Vitae that the emergence of the new reproductive technologies—especially the birth control pill—would lead to a “lowering of moral standards … and a rise in infidelity.” Today, with the emergence of Truvada, a pill that has been shown in clinical trials to be up to 99 percent effective in preventing the spread of AIDS through sexual activity, some in the gay community are beginning to echo these same kinds of concerns.

In a July, 2014 cover story in New York Magazine, writer Tim Murphy captures the paradox such a pill presents to the gay community in possibly changing what he calls “a mind-set of sexual prudence that has governed gay-male life since the early ’80s.” Pointing to the proliferation of T-shirts and Instagram captions reading “Truvada Whore,” Murphy presents both sides of this issue—pointing to the benefits of a pill that will surely save lives, but at the same time encourage the self-destructive promiscuity of the past. Interviews published in Murphy’s article reveal the fears held by many who have spent their lives working to end the scourge of AIDS that “reverting to pre-condom habits might be tempting fate again.” In a conversation with Dr. Martin Markowitz, a veteran of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center, the AIDS researcher warned: “Mother Nature’s a bitch. Don’t underestimate her.”

Playwright Larry Kramer, a long-time leader in the gay community who has been HIV positive since the 1980s, has been especially critical of Truvada. He is particularly concerned about the health risks of the drug. Originally designed ten years ago as an HIV-treatment pill, Truvada “quietly became the first drug to be approved by the FDA for a new use: to prevent HIV infection.” Renamed PrEP (short for “pre-exposure prophylaxis), the drug has been welcomed—even celebrated—by many. But, in an interview published in the New York Times, Kramer said: “Anybody who voluntarily takes an antiviral every day has got to have rocks in their heads. There’s something cowardly about taking Truvada instead of using a condom.   You’re taking a drug that is poison to you.”

Likewise, Sean Strub, the HIV positive founder of Poz, a magazine published for those “affected by HIV and AIDS,” was quoted in the New York Magazine article as saying that “Rather than giving HIV negative people the life skills teaching them how to be healthy about their sexuality … the idea is unbelievable that we are going to put tens of millions of gay men on PrEP and bankrupt the economy to spray people with Raid.” Murphy points out that Truvada has been linked to kidney damage “in a small percentage of those who take it as part of their HIV treatment regimen.”

Indeed, these are many of the same kinds of concerns that Pope Paul warned of in 1968 when he said that the widespread use of the birth control pill would diminish the relationship between men and women. The pontiff also pointed to the possibility that governments would coerce the use of such technology to control population growth. Mary Eberstadt’s 2012 book, Adam and Eve After the Pill: Paradoxes of the Sexual Revolution documents these costs including the degradation of women through what she calls the “consumerization of love,” as well as the proliferation of pornography, cohabitation, and the emergence of the “hook-up culture” on college campuses and beyond.

At the same time, just as Pope Paul predicted, governments and private foundations like the Gates Foundation, have promoted all forms of birth control on a global scale—sometimes through coercive means. In the United States, we continue to be embroiled in the controversy over the Obama administration’s requiring all institutions—including Catholic ones—to provide insurance coverage for contraception, labeling it as a type of “preventive care.” Murphy’s New York Magazine piece predicts that similar kinds of government mandate controversies may emerge around coverage for Truvada as a form of preventative care:

Most insurers—both private and public, such as Medicaid—have covered the cost of Truvada-forPrEP (as they generally do once drugs are FDA approved for specific uses) and the potential controversial issue has flown under the public radar. Some bloggers have wondered if the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby ruling which says that private employers can block contraceptive coverage for workers on the grounds of religious belief, might lead some bosses to block Truvada reimbursement on their plans.

In an attempt to address the dramatic increases in AIDS rates within the gay population in his state, Murphy writes that New York Governor Andrew Cuomo vows to make the drug even more widely available and will begin a public-information campaign for PrEP in an effort to “eradicate the AIDS epidemic in the state by 2020.” While the drug is for both men and women, the reality is that the highest HIV rates continue to be among young gay men. Murphy points out that in 2010, the Centers for Disease Control reported that 20 percent of U.S. gay men had HIV compared with about .3 percent (not 3 percent) of the total population. In 2012, the CDC reported that HIV rates in gay men between ages 13 and 24 rose 22 percent in recent years. “[I]f HIV infections continue at current rates, half of all young gay men will have HIV by age 50.”

Coverage is already expensive for insurers—which likely pass the expense on to consumers. Taxpayers are already paying for coverage for the preventative drug for gay men through Medicaid—but the drug will save the lives of young men who engage in high-risk same sex behavior so most are grateful for that. Murphy credits Gilead, the drug-maker for Truvada, as showing “surprising restraint, given the potential size of the new market.” In interviews with Murphy, a spokesperson from Gilead said that, Truvada is “an important public-health intervention and not a commercial opportunity.” He points out that the company has a program to make the drug available to eligible patients with no health insurance or with unaffordable co-pays. But, Murphy also points out that “some HIV activists feel that Gilead is quietly funding a surge in HIV negative takers of Truvada—whose list price is about $1,300 a month—while not having to take flak from PrEP opponents for implicitly promoting condom-less sex.”

In Veritatis Splendor, the 1995 encyclical on truth and morality, Pope John Paul II reminds us that, “The negative precepts of the natural law are universally valid. They oblige each and every individual, always and in every circumstance.” We cannot help but be reminded of these words when we read the statements from gay men and AIDS researchers in Murphy’s courageous essay in New York Magazine. AIDS researcher Dr. Martin Markowitz is simply echoing a coarsened re-construction of this papal encyclical when he pronounces, “Mother Nature is a bitch.” Faithful Catholics—and all students of natural law—have known this forever.

Anne Hendershott

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Anne Hendershott is Professor of Sociology and Director of the Veritas Center at Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio. She is the author of Status Envy: The Politics of Catholic Higher Education; The Politics of Abortion; and The Politics of Deviance (Encounter Books). She is also the co-author of Renewal: How a New Generation of Priests and Bishops are Revitalizing the Catholic Church (2013).

  • ForChristAlone

    Let the games begin…

    • ErickMN

      You mean the “game” of you obsessing about how OTHER PEOPLE live their lives? Why do you play a game you always lose?

      • Guest

        That is totally inaccurate. It would be like claiming people obsess of the Ebola problem. Pathology needs to be dealt with and that requires a strong moral and philosophical foundation.

        • ErickMN

          So why don’t you offer your “expertise” to the researchers addressing Ebola? And be sure to include your “moral guidance” as well. They, like everyone, enjoy a good hearty laugh from time to time.

          • Guest

            Any expertise apart from morality is just tyranny. As you seem unable to grasp even the most fundamental aspect of moral truth you would be a perfect example of why society needs help and protection.

            • ErickMN

              The simple concept you don’t understand is that your morality is relevant only to you. And you’ll find that people in general take a dim view of others forcing their morality on them. If you can’t function in society without respecting the individuality of others, do everyone a favor and stay home. Simple as that.

              • Guest

                The simple concept you do not understand is that your moral relativism imposes on all of us. You impose your immorality on us. Do everyone a favor stay home, stop being “gay”, and grow up.

                • ErickMN

                  No chance. Either learn to deal with people who are different from you, or be miserable every day of your intolerant life. Either works for the rest of us. Enjoy your whining and moaning in the meantime!

                  • Guest

                    You are very confused. The intolerant ones here are you and your pals. Dealing with people is not the issue. The issue is you imposing your immorality on society. The only whining and moaning comes from the “gay” community. The non stop persecution complexes, the spread of disease, the absolute intolerance of moral truth, and much else is the staple of your group.

                    You come to places like these com boxes because you think you will get relief if you can stamp out all disagreement. You do not want dialogue or understanding. You want control. That is the way with evil ideologies. They do not seek neutral coexistence. They always seek control. That is the nature of evil.

                    • ErickMN

                      What’s to discuss? All you do is whine and moan about how OTHER PEOPLE live their lives. And that is a recipe for futility. Focus on the problems in your own life, and let everyone else live theirs. As a bonus, you’ll then find you have lots of extra free time to pursue USEFUL hobbies, like woodburning or decoupage. What do you have to lose? You’re accomplishing nothing with your daily online tantrums. Try a different approach.

                    • PerfectCalm

                      I would like to ask ErickMN if he has any compassion for (compassion means ‘suffering with’ – not ‘ignoring’) or interest in people who get AIDS apart from risky behavior – for example, from a blood transfusion, or children who get AIDS from an infected mother – people for whom this very expensive prophylactic will never be a ‘solution’. Does he care about those people? Because we do – we care about all of you. Yes, even you, angry ErickMN.

                      I’m not whining or moaning. I may be grieving and heart-struck at the suffering of others, and pained by others doing things that are clearly dangerous for them, but I don’t see anybody here whining or moaning, nor do I see anyone asking for ErickMN’s address so they can personally interfere in his life. He’s snide and rude – but I don’t see that in any responses to him. So I wonder: does ErickMN ever feel real sorrow for other people’s suffering? Does he ever see anyone doing something dangerous and self-destructive, and motivated by love and concern, wish to say, ‘Please don’t do that – you could die?’ Or does he just mind his own decoupage and let them die?

                    • ErickMN

                      Go ahead and cry yourself to sleep every night about the way everyone else in the world lives their lives. And do your best to impose your morality on everyone you meet. But don’t be surprised when you are told to mind your own business. Being a busybody motivated by “love and concern” is of no value to anyone, including yourself. Focus on your own problems, and the world will be a better place for everyone.

                    • ForChristAlone

                      I am sure that PerfectCalm loves you, too Erick.

                    • asmondius

                      Was Dad remote?

                    • ForChristAlone

                      I think you’re on to something here. Erick is hurt, angry and wanting most of all to find true love – the love that Christ alone can give. I hope Erick let’s down his guard and allows Christ into his heart. It’s happened for us; it can be his as well.

                    • ForChristAlone

                      Do you realize that Guest loves you, Erick? I, for one, love you.

                    • asmondius

                      What is it you lack in the real world?

                    • Guest

                      Logic and morality.

                  • ForChristAlone

                    Do you love, Guest, Erick?

              • ForChristAlone

                I respect your individuality, Erick. I love you as an individual.

              • asmondius

                When was the first time they hurt you?

              • RufusChoate

                Your level of ironic misconception is nearly toxic. Diverting large amounts of medical research funds from research for wide spread pathogenic threats to humanity to attempt a cure of an occupational liability cause by a virus concerns everyone. Morality has a odd way of asserting itself even in the most basic of human interactions like confusing the digestive tract for the reproductive tract.

                • ErickMN

                  Did you forget – or never even know – that the VAST majority of HIV infections in the world occur in heterosexuals, and the majority of those occur in women and children? What is their “occupational liability”? Being poor? Not being elderly white catholic men? Do tell.

                  If you feel strongly about imposing your sexual morality on everyone else, I encourage you to do something about it. Don’t just whine and moan about it here. Take action! Start by canvassing the neighborhood and asking everyone to sign a pledge to never again engage in oral or anal sex. Appear before your city council and demand that oral and anal sex be made criminal offenses, and that cameras be installed in every bedroom in town to ensure compliance (I suspect you would be the first to apply for the video monitoring job…). Rent a porno, and then sue the producers for depicting acts that somehow violate your rights or something. Start up an Anti-Sodomy Society chapter in town (everyone will remember the acronym!). There is so much you could do to fight the fight. Get out and make a difference! And don’t forget to post updates.

                  • John200

                    Dear Ewreck,
                    Your betters are doing something about it. They are confronting homo”sex”ual propaganda and exposing you as a self-made fool. The part you play in this thread is painful, but so is your favorite homo”sex”ual practice and its multiple aftereffects. Call it tough love.

                    You are doing good service, much to the benefit of readers who might think homo”sex”ual activity is good, or normal, or has no bad effects, or does not ruin your mental health. I find it hard to watch your self-immolation, but you have to display what a homo”sex”ual is like. The reader sees the truth, and you helped; Rejoice!

                    When you see your true situation, you might grow up. Or forgive your father. Or do whatever reverses your reverse-direction mentality.

                    But you must get busy. Late reports say that, on average, the pain ceases at age 42. Now that’s an average: you might make 50, you might drop off at 27, you might make 60, you might be gone at age 24, there is a distribution of life spans. But 42, man, that’s pretty low.

                    I’d get a move on if I were you.

                    • ErickMN

                      Your writing skills are abyssmal. Your post is essentially nothing more run-on babble. And the ages you quote are pure garbage. Is your elder physician aware of your declining cognitive skills? He/she can give you mind games to play to slow the progress of your condition.

                      You don’t have to spend your declining years obsessed with homosexuality and gay sex, John. That’s just pathetic. There are many free services for senior citizens that can get you involved in the community. Check them out. And they can help you plan your impending funeral, too! You’re welcome.

                    • John200

                      Dear Ewreck,
                      Sorry to had to make the point about life expectancy, but I am glad I got to you. There is hope for you.

                      Those ages are the best available predictions of when your funeral will occur. Statistically speaking, you are already in your declining years, but to achieve senior status is highly improbable. Everything in its time,
                      unless you insult Mother Nature.

                      In your case, the timetable is greatly advanced. Get a move on, Ewreck.

                      This point hardly matters, but my writing skills are good enough to earn my payday. You know that by now. As a special favor, I note that your second sentence is “abysmal” (now spelled correctly).

                      But leave that aside. Get a move on, Ewreck. It’s later than you think.

                    • ErickMN

                      Dear John,
                      I can edit my post, but you can’t edit your bizarre fixation with homosexuality and gay sex. For future posts,why not just get right to the point? You can copy and paste this: “Homosexuality and gay sex. Homosexuality and gay sex. Homosexuality and gay sex.” That way we don’t have read through your rambling blather to get to the point. You are welcome.

                      By the way, John, everytime you post here, you support a plethora of tech companies that stronly support LGBT equality, including marriage equality, e.g. Google, Microsoft, Apple, Dell, Intel, HP, etc. etc. etc. So thank you for being a raving hypocrite every day of your miserable life, thank you for your contributions to those causes, and keep posting!

                    • John200

                      Ewreck,
                      Thank you for the painful, but needed, self-immolation. Your interlocutors want the best for you. They want you to learn what sex is. They show you love, but you make sure it has to be tough love. So be it.

                      For my humble part, I highlight your problems and point out the way forward. I am confident that you are not as stupid as you act.

                      Rejoice! Your bum is not going to hurt forever. But you must get a move on. The opportunity does not last forever.

                    • ErickMN

                      Posting about my body again, John? You’re making me blush! What else do you think I do in bed? Go on, tell me. Your secrets are safe with me.
                      Again, John, you don’t have to live like this. There are resources available to help you with your obsessive/compulsive thoughts and behaviors. I strongly encourage you take take advantage of them. I hope you get through this, John.

                    • John200

                      Ewreck,
                      Get a move on. You are not hopeless until you choose to end up like this.

                    • ErickMN

                      That’s it, John? No comments about my body or my (supposed) sex life? I know you can do better.

                    • John200

                      Yes, I can, and I have. But you need a period of reflection on what you have done to yourself and others. More comment would be wasted at this time.

                      Best wishes.

                  • Art Deco

                    Did you forget – or never even know – that the VAST majority of HIV
                    infections in the world occur in heterosexuals, and the majority of
                    those occur in women and children?

                    Um, no. The diagnostic criteria used for AIDS in Africa are quite different than those used in industrial countries, so statistics on prevalence there tend to be inflated. Also, the prevalence of HIV in the population was inflated through bad sampling techniques.

                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/05/AR2006040502517.html

                    • ErickMN

                      Regardless, that doesn’t change the simple fact that the vast majority of HIV infections in the world occur in heterosexuals, and the majority of them occur in women and children. You accomplished nothing with your post, once again.

          • ForChristAlone

            Do you love me, Erick? I love you.

            • asmondius

              I believe I have just witnessed the first blog exorcism.

              • ForChristAlone

                I am being perfected in love. I actually offered up my rosary last night for Erick. God’s power is stronger than ours.

      • DE-173

        Why are you so indifferent to the health of others? Do you yell jump when somebody walks out on a ledge?

        • ErickMN

          It’s not my role to monitor the health of everyone else in the world. How bizarre that you feel you are obligated to do that. Are you a busybody in other ways, too?

          • ForChristAlone

            Whom DO you love Erick?

          • richado

            So why should I have to pay for the consequences of someone’s promiscuity? Because that is what I am being asked to do. How OTHER PEOPLE live their lives affects us all.

            • ErickMN

              Great! So go ahead and ask your neighbors if you can stand in their bedroom and monitor what they do in bed. Post here and let us know how that works out.

              • richado

                Oh… that’s sooo clever – monitor- but pointless and meaningless. You deflect from the real issue and that is It’s about the consequences of our decisions and subsequent actions- whether in the bedroom or the carnality in the public washrooms or brothels or the streets or steam baths etc. Remember AIDS and how it started and spread? Multi-partnered promiscuity.And how many innocent people including children contracted the disease via tainted blood? No joke here.
                In the 1960s students in high school learned about only two or three types of STDs. And now? Over 25 types. Progress?

                In bed- one can conceive a child or further spread STDs. Consequences and results. No, need to monitor as what is done in private soon becomes public and affects us all whether we like it or not. And no matter how we try to rationalize like you do- reality bites.

              • asmondius

                How about in the men’s room at the airport?

                Public parks?

                • ErickMN

                  We welcome the benefit of your experience. Where else have you “documented” public sexual activity?

                  • asmondius

                    Please explain to everyone here what a ‘glory hole’ is.

                    It’s not an item in the heterosexual world.

                    • ErickMN

                      You posted about it. And you obviously spend time thinking about it. So why don’t YOU explain it?

                      And since you clearly are familiar with the concept, you must not be part of the “heterosexual world”. Congratulations on coming out!

                    • asmondius

                      Well, I see – declaring someone to be a homosexual seems to be your quaint method of insulting a person. I suppose that means you feel that homosexuality is a negative trait. Quite amusing.

                      The probable reason why you dodged is because this is the sort of thing that pulls down the façade of homosexuality being equal to heterosexuality.

                    • ErickMN

                      You posted the term, and then said that no heterosexual would know what it means. What other reasonable assumption about your orientation could I make?

                      I think homosexuality is a neutral trait, like personality or appearance. I would simply like people to be happy with who they are. I don’t share your need to oppress others.

                    • asmondius

                      Thus we now descend into semantics……

                    • ErickMN

                      If you are going to persecute a minority group, isn’t it reasonable to ask you to be precise with your degrading comments?

                    • asmondius

                      Roger, Dodger.

                      Next, try explaining to everyone here what a ‘twinky’ is.

                    • ErickMN

                      I have heard the term “twink”, but I have no idea what a “twinky” is.

                    • asmondius

                      Not familiar with the American habit of abbreviating terms, eh?

                    • Ohso

                      Actually Townhall columnist Mike Adams included the term in his article suggesting separate ‘rest’ rooms for Homo-Anal Coprophiles, so that the college could save money fixing the holes in the common usage stalls.

                      Anyone who has been around the ‘culture’ of Sodom by the Sea (4th generation Frisco Native myself) knows better than to use the public toilets, particularly in the parks – where Coprophiles gaily Congregate…

                      After all, it was the Abomination’s own tax subsidized Bio Terrorist / Election Fraudster Dan ‘The Savage Lickspittle’ Savage…

                      – who launched the campaign (with his pals at goo-ghoul) to spread the facts of the Common Bond they Share Amongst themselves (trying to tar a candidate with it)

                      – writing glowingly of surveys showing their shared love of the: “Frothy Mix of (excrement deleted) and Lube” that excites their happy passions.

                      These are Physically Harmful and Pathological Behaviors – and the growing spread of treatment resistant strains of STDs via the “Conga Line of Buggery’ (See “Dorian’ by will Smith) is spreading beyond the bathhouse buggery ‘cult’ – like strains of MRSA, which does not outrage Coprophie Politicos like assemblyman Tommy ‘TP’ ammiano (a leader of the Larry Brinkin posse) – just reporting the facts about their spread… As with homo-anal apologists here.

                      SEE SFGate:
                      ” a variant of USA 300, resistant to six antibiotics, was “especially common among men who have sex with men. “http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Hospitals-now-must-report-serious-staph-cases-to-3294265.php

          • DE-173

            No for example if I were monitoring the health of everyone else in the world, I would have trolls evicted.

            • ErickMN

              So, you’re just as ineffective at that as you and your ilk are in the courtrooms, legislatures and at the voting booth these days.

              • DE-173

                Are you this boring in real life?

      • ForChristAlone

        I love you, Erick. Do you love me?.

      • asmondius

        And awaaaaay we go……..

        Part time homosexuality promoters are now on duty to take your calls, folks.

      • ForChristAlone

        “Obsessing” is a gerund and, as a result, it takes the possessive case. What you wrote should read: “You mean the ‘game’ of YOUR obsessing…”

  • Paul

    “Mother Nature is a bitch” indeed. The Aids virus has an unimaginable capacity to mutate and adapt and perhaps in time it will find a way to circumvent all human efforts to isolate it – just as some antibiotics are no longer effective ?

  • RufusChoate

    From a Pharmacological and immunological perspective this is a respite filled with false hope and not a cure that might result in increased virulence by mutagenic adaptation.

    Sometime ago a friend who was an acclaimed Virologist specializing in STD’s speculated that HIV/AIDS would never be cured but mitigated only slightly and ebb and flow with mortality rates if the normal containment, quarantine and isolation of the injected population was not undertaken.

    Judging from the behavior of most of the homosexuals I know I missed the prudential period of homosexual activity. It sounds mythic.

    Homosexuality like the Contraception culture is sterile narcissism so it is merely a part of the continuum of sin and not at all different or unique. .

    • Anne Hendershott

      The New York magazine article lends support to your contention – I think you are probably right about a “mythic” time of prudence–but I do think there were more gay men practicing “safe” sex until the arrival of Truvada. This could be a disaster for the gay community–not just because of the disease that can destroy these men’s bodies, but also because of the return of the pre-AIDS mindset that can destroy their souls.

      • RufusChoate

        By the way, It was a fine article. I forgot to mention that. Cheers.

    • Guest

      Very good. Let us rephrase it for simplicity sake. If one is to act immorally than one ought to act immorally more “safely”. Yes, it is a myth.

    • PerfectCalm

      Even if there was a period of time when AIDS among gay men was declining because of more prudent practices; and even if mature gay men remain prudent (though with AIDS rates being what they are, I’m not sure that condom use has helped), the worrying thing about this pill is that very young gay men – who being young are less likely to be prudent and more likely to be vulnerable and exploited – may think of this as a sort of ‘magic bullet’ that will make them invulnerable to AIDS. But we all know that it can take years – even decades – before the real consequences of taking any drug become known. And of course, how many kidney-damaged people do we really need to sacrifice?

      What if this drug turns out not to be benign? What if the warning above is true, and a generation of young men tempt fate – and lose?

      Anyone who has lost a gay friend (or over the years, multiple friends) or relative to AIDS or other behavior-related illnesses and conditions knows that it could have been prevented by behavior change, but it was just ‘too hard’ for them to change their behavior – and so they died, and we lose. I’m as heart-sick over the deaths of old college friends (in their 40s) from illnesses related to their homosexual activity as I am over the death of a cousin who died at the same age of a completely preventable massive coronary because of his dietary choices and addictions.

      I wonder what people would be saying if a new drug was created that promised that ‘you can eat all the heart-clogging junk food you want, get as fat as a house, but you won’t have a heart attack – just maybe a little kidney damage’? I’m sure there’d be a major outcry that it’s totally irresponsible. But the same does not apply when it comes to drugs that try to be a magic bullet against behavioral illnesses in the sexual sphere.

      • mitch64

        Agreed PerfectCalm. and I am sorry for your loses. It is even harder to lose loved ones to an illness that could have easily been prevented.

        it is the young guys we do indeed have to worry about. First, yes, prudence did cause the decline of new HIV infections, (but I am not going to argue that here) to a generation of people who grew up with HIV/AIDS and also most older guys are “out of the market,” because of their age, or they have settled down with a partner or just the typical lessening of sexual interest as we get older. The younger guys have no clue that there was a time where HIV was a certain death sentence, and now this drug which can “miraculously” prevent an infection. Anyone who has ever worked in health care knows that each and every drug has a side effect, (God only knows what the “Cocktail,” survivors will deal with now as they age and after years of chemicals in their bodies) and that the HIV virus has an almost amazing ability to mutate to survive. Both of those should really scare us all.

        Erick, we should ALL be concerned about each other’s health, as Christians, as taxpayers and as just plain humans. Unfortunately the older gay community should be stepping up to the plate and role modeling to the kids and just plain kicking their butts, and they just aren’t doing it. More responsible behavior and practices have saved lives. Now that, (unfortunately for most of the posters here) that we are winning the right to marry and have “normalized,” relationships we need to encourage more self respect in the community, respect for others and an end to promiscuity being a “social norm,” in the gay community.

        For once this was a Crisis article that was on the objective side.

        • ForChristAlone

          Marriage can only be effected between one man and one woman. What you refer to is not at all a marriage despite what the law says. Laws do not create marriages. No “faithful lay Catholics” for whom this site is a forum believe that homosexuals can effect a marriage.

          • mitch64

            I am not arguing sacramental marriages, which is the only area the Church has a say over.

            • ForChristAlone

              No, you’re wrong. The Church teaches on the natural law and most of us understand that the natural law calls for expressions of marital love between one man and one woman. You can’t fool Mother Nature.

        • asmondius

          There is no ‘right’ to pretend to be something you are not.

          Mimicking heterosexual marriage is simply a means to reduce homosexual promiscuity? Ludicrous.

          • mitch64

            Thank you asmondius for your lovely and respectful reply! Not to go off topic but to answer your comments..both of you can consider my marriage, your marriage, your neighbors marriage anything you want and call it that. Good for you. But it has no impact on what the legal definition is, and, since we do not live in a rigid Catholic theocracy (which some of you just seem to have discovered) that definition is what matters. So you can huff and puff and stomp around and call people ludicrous all you want but..it doesn’t matter. It just doesn’t matter.

            As to “mimicking,” heterosexual anything I am always astounded by the gay marriage opponents who are the first to charge gays with being deviant, have base instincts, etc, etc, but out of the other side of their mouth they are angry that they are trying to “mimic” heterosexual marriage, which in your definition is one of faithful monogamy (unfortunate that we know the reality is far from that) Well what is it..how do you want gays to act (besides disappear which ain’t going to happen.)? I would think that people who were really so upset about sexual promiscuity would be the first to be happy that anyone would “mimic.” that. People who are so upset about Gay Pride Parades I would think would be happy that gays are now living in the suburbs and are just as dull and bland as anyone else, worrying about the lawn,etc.

            And you have every right to pretend its still 1952 and your own bias is held by the majority of the land, and gays are still going into back alleys and the back of bookstores instead of GASP living next door to you. Go ahead if that makes you happy, but you have no power or control over any one else’s life.

            • asmondius

              There is no ‘right’ to pretend to be something you are not. This is simply common sense.

              Two men sodomizing each other can not be ‘equal’ to their own parents.

              • mitch64

                The common sense response is that I and others are not “pretending,” to be anything..so that is something you need to get through your head. Now if I was pretending to be straight, which I am not, or a woman, or anything of the type,so I am not sure what your “pretending,” refers to. And in my state I do indeed have a “right,” to get married if I choose to do so. If you recognize that or not as valid is not my concern, and even if it was, your numbers are dwindling as the years go by. I have a relationship with another man, we have been together for 20 years, we have our rights protected under the law, from inheritance, medical care, children, etc. That is the “reality,” of the situation, and really sums up everything about it., the long and the short of it, nothing more, nothing less. The Church does not have to recognize that relationship and that is its perfect right. However, it has no say in civil marriage discussions. Now why that should get you so upset I have no idea. Its none of your business just as your relationship with your wife, if you have one is none of mine. I hope you live long and healthy lives together.

                As for “sodomizing,” interesting that is the first thing that pops into your head, sex. Odd for someone so disgusted by the whole thing but it seems typical. I do have to say, none of my straight buddies think about it at all, why should they and why should you?

                • asmondius

                  I find it amusing that every blogger trying to justify homosexual relationships insists that they have had a partner for decades and decades. Does doing something wrong for so long somehow make it ‘right’?

                  Come on now; do you really see your ‘partner’ as an equivalent to your own mother?

                  Marriage is based upon the basic nature of humanity as devised by God, which is man and woman, whereas you are simply a creature of the state. You don’t have a marriage, simply a free license to some bennies you don’t deserve and permission to engage in your fantasy.

                  As for me being a dinosaur, well it’s funny that with only one or two exceptions the question has rarely passed when put to a public vote.

                  • mitch64

                    I wasn’t trying to justify anything in that sentence..I was telling you the truth of the matter, it is up to you to believe it or not. You accused me of pretending and I was letting you know that I am not pretending to be anything. You seem to think that gay couples mimic heterosexual relationships…i.e. the old, “who is the man and who is the woman,” thing. That is not the case. I am not trying to justify something that doesn’t need to be justified.

                    I have never needed “permission,” to do anything, much less engage in some particular fantasy (for example, you don’t need my permission to indulge your fantasy of higher moral ground and that all gays are pedophiles who prance around with purses when they are not trying to destroy society.) As to bennies I don’t deserve, I pay the same amount of taxes and live in the same country you do my friend, so yea, I deserve them just as much as anyone else. And that was the point of my post above..(which you I might add turned from a discussion of this pill to gay marriage) You and the Church have every right to say that gay marriage “doesn’t exist,” but It has no say in what the State says or does concerning civil marriage benefits and why should it? And right or wrong, the Church is increasingly loosing power over what it controls in civll society.

                    I am not in the habit of petty name calling, so I did not call you a dinosaur. However, if you look at how things are going, everyday more and more people, especially Catholics are supporting gay civil marriages. And , if you look back at history, most civil rights referendums would not have passed by a public vote, and look at what those views are considered now.

      • RufusChoate

        I have know many Men who succumbed to AIDS as well but I don’t have regret of the loss or any fond recollections of them but I do have distinct memories of their mockery and malicious scorn of all that was normal and good while they claimed to be exceedingly happy to have six or eight sexual contacts every Thursday in Boston,

        They were enthralled with this freedom and license while they disparaged everyone who didn’t appreciate it. Today you still meet Men like this and I think it is a part of nihilistic puerile narcissism that is the most common etiology of this behavior.

        When this Venereal Disease began its path of destruction, it was completely disembodied from the behavior with many of these same men assuming the stance of an innocent victim while the majority fought every attempt to quarantine the sites of most likely infection points. i.e. Bathhouse etc.
        .
        There was repeated and concerted attempts to infect the public blood supply to expand the base of infection.

        That is not the behavior of a true innocent victim. All venereal diseases are the logical outcome of the inappropriate use of sexuality. In truth there is a certain level of compassion that I allot to AIDS or Syphilis victims that is somewhere between an inchoate sadness for suffering of complete strangers and dispassionate acceptance of the logic of the out come as biological determinism.

  • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

    “God always forgives. Man sometimes forgives. Nature never forgives.” Get ready for new evidence of this old maxim.

    • RufusChoate

      That is great and I will expropriate it without attribution because I am a knavish cad or something.

    • jacobum

      Outstanding. I too will expropriate it.

    • Joe De Carlo

      If God always forgave, there would not be a hell.

      • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

        … whenever someone asks for forgiveness. The aphorism is not meant as catechesis.

  • TERRY

    Abandon hope all ye who enter here

  • Art Deco

    I found the argument in Medical Nemesis engaging, though he never addressed the effect of antibiotics on the population of microbes or on behavioral adaptations to the reality of infectious disease.

    Given the basic inclinations of the population in question, it is reasonable to suppose that this all amounts to throwing rubbing alcohol on an open flame.

    • ErickMN

      Given your basic inclination to obsess about gay people and the way they live their lives, it is reasonable to assume that you now have more whining and moaning to fill the empty hours of your life.

      • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

        And here you are, filling your empty hours. What about being “gay” and carefree? I guess that’s a myth too…

        • ErickMN

          I’m not accepting appliations for a stalker, but I appreciate your interest. Your “carefree” question is just silly, and not worthy of a response.

          • DE-173

            You are the stalker

          • ForChristAlone

            I love you Erick. Do you love me?

            • ErickMN

              NO. You and your ilk repulse me.

              • ForChristAlone

                Are you sure you don’t love me? I still love you.

        • Guest

          Their propaganda never rests.

          • ErickMN

            But, fortunately, it gives you something to fixate on to fill your days. You’re welcome.

            • Guest

              But, fortunately, it gives you something to fixate on to fill your days. You’re welcome.

            • ForChristAlone

              I love you, Erick

      • Scott W.

        Actually, our so-called “obsession” with gay people is in perfect, healthly proportion to the cultural onslaught to normalize perversion. To wit: If there is ever a Thieves’ Pride Parade and courts of law recognizing “alternative property-rights orientation”, I promise you you will see more commentary here on the wrongness of stealing.

        • ErickMN

          Great! I hope you whine and moan and cry about gay people every single day of your intolerant life. In the meantime, those same gay people will be out living their lives and enjoying their rapidly expanding rights, while you have wasted your life accomplishing NOTHING. Your choice.

          • musicacre

            “Rapidly expanding rights” of extinguishing others’ rights, you mean. If you just want to live out your life and enjoy yourself, why is homosexual propaganda being shoved down the throats of grade one students? And parents have no say. This isn’t about live and let live. It’s about a whole new cultural imperialism that seeks to enforce a guiding principle for everything in society showing they are MUCH more equal than others.

            Please don’t answer nonsensically and personal when you run out of clear thought if at all possible, say something intelligent.

            • Guest

              It is a propaganda campaign. It is about power and tyranny. Evil always seeks to control.

            • ErickMN

              How hilarious that gay people make you so miserable! Do you make a habit of being threatened by other people living their lives? Sad.

              • musicacre

                You didn’t reply to the content…IF you can read….

                • ErickMN

                  What content, that you’re running around like Chicken Little screeching that the sky is falling because of gay people? “homosexual propoganda shoved down the throats of grade one students” and “cultural imperialism”. Seriously? Sounds like you need to take a sedative and chill out. Any other ranting you want me to respond to?

            • Art Deco

              Please don’t answer nonsensically and personal when you run out of clear thought if at all possible, say something intelligent.

              You like a longshot, eh? Every remark he has offered has consisted of shaking his fist and uttering non sequiturs. He was not too different on the previous threads. The AC-DC lawyer they usually send over is apparently on vacation, so they sent an intern.

              • musicacre

                Oh. Yes, now that you mention it I think I do remember. My Irish comes out at times like this. Probably much better to to pray for enlightenment and understanding.

          • Scott W.

            Actually, I don’t moan and cry at all. And we’ve already seen that homosexuals and their insane apologists won’t leave believers in true marriage alone because evil always needs accomplices or absolute silence from dissenters.

            • ErickMN

              How odd, and sad, that your own “true” marriage (whatever that means) is threatened by gay people getting married. It was obviously not much of a marriage to begin with. Gay people did you two miserable people a favor.

              If you really want to be to be “left alone” to hate everyone who is different from you, stay home and keep your doors and windows locked. A win/win for everyone.

              • Scott W.

                You need to stop making stuff up. True marriage is a man and a woman married to each other. Everything else is a legal fiction as immoral as the Fugitive Slave Act. As far as being threatened, that’s not so. We might get harassed, lose our jobs to PC thugs, but ours will still be a real marriage. Nothing miserable about it.

                • ErickMN

                  In a couple dozen states, DC and a growing list of foreign countries, marriage has been extended to same-sex couples as well. If you have trouble grasping reality, talk to a therapist. Don’t advertise your disabilities here.

                  Go ahead and speak your “truth”. Just don’t be surprised when noboby listens to it any more, and and your voice become more and more irrelevant with every passing day. Mainstream America has shown you and your ilk the door. Buh-bye!

                  By the way, every time you post here, you support a plethora of tech companies that strongly support LGBT equality, including marriage equality, e.g. Microsoft, Apple, Dell, Intel, Google, etc. etc. etc. So thanks for being a raving hypocrite every day of your life, and keep posting!

                  • Scott W.

                    They are not real marriages any more than me putting on a funny hat makes me Napoleon. As far as anyone listening to it, “many are called, few are chosen.”

                    • ErickMN

                      How hilarious that people like you live in such bizarre denial! Every time you check the news these days you get slapped hard across the face AGAIN. Does it sting?

                    • Scott W.

                      What denial? We know full well that the culture is going down a dark and evil road, so we do the best we can and try to save those who can be saved. Our Lord never promised it would be easy, in fact, He told us straight up that it would be hard and all manner of evil people would say the most toxic things against us. Really the slaps, slings and arrows are just another typical day working in God’s fields.

                    • ErickMN

                      It’s gratifying to know that you and your dwindling ilk live such miserable lives, self-imposed by your cherry-picked faith, backwards morality and inherent intolerance. Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans, including nearly the entirety of the younger generations, don’t share your dismal view of humanity and hatred towards gay people. You’ll be gone soon enough, and your bigotry will be buried with you. Good riddance.

                    • Scott W.

                      Even if we grant that we live miserable lives (which isn’t true as I’ve already said), why would anyone take pleasure in the sufferings of others? I’ve never wished ill-harm to other people, even if I disagreed vehemently with them.

                      The rest almost too many falsehoods to cover, but as briefly as possible:

                      1. Dwindling — actually we have test cases. For instance, the Diocese of Rochester under Bishop Clark’s 33-year reign of ultraliberalism saw the largest drops in Mass attendance, vocations and contributions and led in parish/school closings. Meanwhile, in the Diocese of Lincoln that kept closest to traditional Catholicism had upsurges in that category. In short, Christianity only seems to dwindle when it makes concessions to the secular culture. Moreover, while Christianity seems to be declining in the West, quite frankly, the West as a whole is declining as well. The rising powers such as China, India, Brazil, and even Africa are seeing flowering of Christianity.

                      2. Cherry-picked — I have no idea what this means.

                      3. Backwards morality — The moral teachings of the Church can be supported by Reason, Scripture, History, and simple apprehension. Sexual libertinism can only function is self-refuting moral relativism.

                      4, Inherently intolerant — I reject, as our Church teaches, any and all harassment, bullying, and violence directed at homosexuals. That’s not intolerant.

                      5. Dismal view of humanity — This one is fascinating because two of the main defenses of sexual perversion are that it is genetic, or that one can find examples of the sexual behavior in the animal kingdom. In other words, Man is either a puppet pulled by genetic strings or is nothing more than an animal. Now that’s a dismal view of humanity. A non-dismal view is that Man is made in the Image of God and was made to be more than an overheated monkey in a zoo.

                      6. Hatred of homosexuals (I don’t use the word gay because it is a truth-obscuring euphamism) — patently false. God’s grace is for all of us. We are all sinners, but were made to be better than sin.

                      7. Gone soon enough — We’ve heard that in every age and yet we are still here because the Truth endures.

                    • ErickMN

                      You have repeatedly commented on how much you and your ilk “suffer” for your faith. Unless you are a true masochist, suffering is generally considered to be an unpleasant experience. Throw in your willingness to go out of your way to denigrate gay people and I consider “miserable” to aptly describe you. People that work against the civil rights right of others deserve to be miserable. And I hope you are.
                      1. Brushing aside your anecdotal “evidence” from a couple of dioceses (sp?), there is no doubt whatsoever that christianity, and Catholicism in particular, are rapidly falling out of favor with the younger generations. And a big contributor to that trend is people like you. Younger people see the ugliness behind your intolerance and want NOTHING to do with that. You and your ilk are your own worst enemies, and you do a great disservice to your deity and your faith. Shame on you. And your comment about chrisitianity in “rising powers” is just silly. Once those peoples become more educated and enlightened, they’ll follow the same path as Americans in rejecting your religious nonsense.
                      2. Cherry-picking is widely practiced among christians. It refers to the practice as taking some bible verses at face value, and rejecting or conveniently interpreting others. For example, you take the OT admonishments against “men lying with men” at face value, but you ignore or explain away the clear admonishments to execute disrespectful children, shun menstruating women, and avoid shellfish, for example. That’s why most Americans thing of your people as total hypocrites.
                      3. Your morality, derived from a stone-age book of fables, is relevant only to you and your ilk. Period.
                      4. And yet you go out of the way to campaign against the civil rights of gay people, including young gay people. And you refer to them in derogatory terms. That’s “harassment”. So you are lying here.
                      5. When you think about or see gay people, you immediately fixate on gay sex. For some reason. Do you also fixate on the sex lives of your straight neighbors? If so, you have bigger problems than being intolerant. Unlike you, the vast majority of people see gay people as simply another variation on humanity working to make the best of their lives, including, in some cases, marrying the person they love. Their sex lives are simply none of your business. Or perhaps you are bizarrely expecting that gay people live empty, loveless lives because you take your personal moral direction from a stone-age book of fables (see #3 above)? Hilarious. That just makes you a fool.
                      6. “Gay” is not a euphamism for people who are attracted to members of the their own sex. It’s the primary definition for those folks in every dictionary in the world. Once again, denial of reality seems to be a key tenet of your “faith”. How odd.
                      7. You and your ilk are a rapidly dwindling voice in affairs of this nation. Much like your hateful relatives who used their religious beliefs to attack the civil rights of African-Americans in the 50’s and 60’s, you and your intolerance will end of on the dustbin of history, And that’s exactly where you/it belongs.
                      It brings me pleasure to know that you financially and promotionally support companies and products that directly conflict with your values every time you use your phone or PC, or buy General Mills or Levi Strauss products, or shop on eBay or Amazon, or pick up a few things at Walgreens or Target or Macys, or stay at a Hilton or Marriott, or grab a drink at Starbucks, or fly American or Delta, etc. etc. etc. That make you a consummate hypocrite every single day of your life. How absolutely delightful!

                    • ForChristAlone

                      So you DO love me. Well, I love you too Erick.

                  • ForChristAlone

                    Do you love me Erick?

              • ForChristAlone

                I love you Erick

      • PerfectCalm

        ErickMN, people are DYING – people presumably as worthwhile and valuable as YOU are dying! Why are you so angry that people CARE that you could die – and that it could be prevented, without any harm to your kidneys or any other part of you?

        If there’s an ‘AIDS epidemic’ as the media tends to portray it, then that means that people are dying ALL THE TIME and that no one who has any idea how to prevent those deaths should shut up- all who care to prevent those deaths should chime in and should be listened to.

        You may prefer a drug to behavior change – lots of people who die of heart disease and other lifestyle-related illnesses prefer to rely on drugs rather than change their behavior. But if there is anyone out there who is open-minded enough and has the courage to make changes, then that person has a right to hear the information, and people who care to save lives have an obligation to share it.

        If the article were about preventing heart disease by changing behavior, would you be whining and moaning that the people here are interfering too much in the lives of obese over-eaters? Why so angry when people – even leaders in the gay community – are concerned about this drug not helping gay men, but harming them? Why hostility to ANY voice that cares enough to pay attention to the needless deaths of millions and try to think through causes (behavior) and solutions (behavior change) and publish that information?

        This article is about a drug that authoritative voices in the gay community think is going to get more gay men killed. Should we celebrate that – or be concerned? Because when people are dying, ignoring it is not a human response.

      • ForChristAlone

        We all love you here at Crisis, Erik. I am sure we all wish nothing but the good for you.

      • mitch64

        Erick…ignore posts like these or at least come back with a better answer then just insulting back (I know its frustrating as I have fallen into that trap so I am trying to stop you from repeating my mistakes!)

        Art Deco..if your reference to “basic inclinations,” means sex, then I have to say that, judging from the rise of STDS and illegitimate births (from one mommy and one daddy though usually daddy doesn’t wait around to clean up his messes) that our tax dollars are being thrown at, straight people have those same “inclinations.” that they don’t control. So, I wouldn’t get on your high horse until the straight population has a spotless record. People who live in glass houses.

        • Art Deco

          “Basic inclinations” would refer to the social dynamics of homosexual populations and the role sex takes in regulating social relations and recreation. An esoteric topic a generation ago, but too many practitioners let the cat out of the bag and, in any case, sociologists have been at work describing it.

          • mitch64

            “Basic inclinations,” has never referred to a social dynamic and I know you know that. Good work in trying to make it sound deeper then what you meant. However, if you were wish to use the term here it still holds true in what I said previously.

            • Art Deco

              “Basic inclinations,” has never referred to a social dynamic and I know you know that.

              No, I don’t know that.

      • Bob

        Gay men pass on Hiv/AIDS to bisexual men. Bisexual men pass HIV/AIDS on to heterosexual women who then pass it on to heterosexual men. Yes Erick, what “gay” bisexual men do in the bedroom is all of our business.

        • ErickMN

          Great! So why don’t you and your ilk stand in everyone’s bedrooms and monitor what they do in bed. Start with your friends and neighbors. I’m sure they’ll LOVE the idea. Sheesh. You are a riot!

          • mitch64

            ErikMN..monitoring what goes on it people’s bedrooms (God help anyone who gets THAT job) is not what the article was about. It was about the fact that this new medicine could end up hurting more then it helps..(not to mention all the rest of the STDs it doesn’t prevent.) While it did attempt to make similarities to birth control and promiscuous behavior, (this is a Catholic website and I think the author has a valid point) the main point was that medicine is not a panacea for the collapse of sexual and personal responsibility.

          • Bob

            “20% of gay men in the US are HIV positive.”

            If I were a promiscuous “gay” man I’d be very, very nervous. They’re playing Russian Roulette with 2-3 bullets, instead of one.

            • ErickMN

              But you’re not. Your’re not a “promiscuous ‘gay’ man'” (ostensibly). Why do spend so much time pretending to be one in your mind? What’s the rest of your bizarre story? Inquiring minds want to know.

        • musicacre

          My very soon to be son-in-law is a doctor in S.Africa who on his days off runs an HIV clinic for the MANY infected teens; it’s heartbreaking. They have their own art they sell and he encourages them. They have to live with what they see was a mistake that damaged them, not “rights.”

  • DE-173

    Of course it will. No matter how effective the drug actually proves to be or what side effects emerge there will a popular idea that the risk of infection is reduced. Whenever there is even a mere perceived risk associated with an activity there is a tendency to become less risk averse, the same way a person with 4 wheel drive will drive in worse weather than they would with 2 wheel drive. It is known as the Peltzman effect.

  • musicacre

    So many died tragically when they received “tainted” blood here in Canada in the ’80’s. One woman here in our small town died one year after a Cesarean section because she had received aids- tainted blood during her procedure. This is part of the price other people pay for careless attitudes and rampant deviant lifestyles.

    • ErickMN

      How pathetic that you are still whining and moaning about anecdotal events that happened 30 years ago. Unless you have documentation, you’re just propogating garbage. Shame on you.

      • ForChristAlone

        I love you Erick. Hope you’re doing well.

      • Art Deco

        Erick, the Red Cross started testing donor samples for HIV antibodies in March 1985, because the blood supply was tainted. (My regular doctor informed me in 1986 that the horse was already out of the barn for hemophiliacs due the pooling of donations to manufacture Factor-VII; infections rates among this subset approached 100% at that time).

        • Art Deco

          Factor – VIII

        • ErickMN

          So, were you on the medical team that worked with the Cesarean section lady in the small town in Canada in the 80’s? If not, you are doing nothing here but feeding an unsubstantiated rumor.

          • Art Deco

            What ‘rumor’? That people were acquiring AIDS from blood transfusions was well-known at the time, covered in common-and-garden news stories by reporters such as Robert Bazell, and reported in government publications.

            • ErickMN

              We’re referencing a specific comment here, about a specific case. Unless you were on the medical team that worked with that woman, your “what was happening in the world” has zero relevance to that specific case. You are supporting and unsubstantiated rumor, and nothing more.

              • Art Deco

                I have no reason to believe that musicare is lying in his contentions, and neither do you. That sort of thing was happening at that time.

                • ErickMN

                  Sooo….You are going to lengths to support the commentary of a stranger, about the medical details of another stranger, who passed away in a small town in Canada 30 years ago? Do I have that right? I’ll keep that in mind when I review your future commentary. Sheesh.

                  • asmondius

                    This seems to scare you – why?

                  • Guest

                    I would suggest you grow up, but why bother.

                  • musicacre

                    I live in a small town; everyone knew at the time, and for quite while after. It contributed to the provincial and finally, the federal government doing an investigation into the blood supply and eventually closing it off to collecting blood from active homosexuals.

        • musicacre

          A man we knew who was well-known in the community for a large hardware business he and his family ran for two generations, died from the hep C that got into our hospital blood system. (Just over 5 years ago) Very shocking as he was only in his 40’s had 6 children and was a pillar in the community for charitable donations etc. So upsetting to read that just a few people in the States, (inc. one very notorious former “high” politician) benefited financially from the blood that was sold from an Arkansas prison. Chances are the prisoners didn’t even know they were sick. Amazing that we had a national crisis over this and it only took a few crooked businessmen to pull it off.

      • musicacre

        I’m utterly surprised that “shame ” is in your vocabulary.

        You seem to think that actions have no consequences.

        History and contemporary life are rife with the pathetic fallout of this.

      • musicacre

        I’m not going to dig up a 30 year-old small town newspaper article just to please you. Shocking that you greet news of others’ tragic deaths in such a cavalier way. Speaks volumes of your inability to to have compassion on others’ suffering. Someone must have hurt you bad in the past and you seem to be motivated by vengeful hatred.

        • ErickMN

          No documentation, it’s just a rumor. Simple as that.

          • Art Deco

            The word ‘rumor’ does not mean what you think it means.

            • ErickMN

              Spreading a story about someone you don’t know , without any facts to back it up, is the epitome of a “rumor”. If you don’t understand how to use a dictionary, call your local elementary school and they will help you out. Sheesh.

              • Art Deco

                Spreading a story about someone you don’t know , without any facts to back it up, is the epitome of a “rumor”.

                The person spreading it would be the local newspaper reporter who wrote the story; why not take it up with her. Since the story was a familiar one at that time, there isn’t much purpose in disputing it other than sheer pig-headedness on your part.

                • ErickMN

                  You don’t know who the reporter is, where/when the story was published, who the subject is, etc. etc. etc. and yet you are vouching for it? Do you make a habit of blindly agreeing with everything you see/hear? Bizarre.

                  • Guest

                    Is it your habit to deny everything that is not gay propaganda?

          • musicacre

            Have you been living on Mars? Everyone knows about the tainted blood scandal; more then 3,000 Canadians have died last count from HIV/Hep C tainted blood. Apparently it was discovered most of it came from one source, a prison in Arkansas that had brokers selling it to unsuspecting Canadian (health authority) customers..and other countries. The govt stopped buying these products by the early 90’s. You can google it by the way, many many accounts. After the story was finally uncovered and broken, the prison stopped their program of selling blood from infected inmates.

            • ErickMN

              I have no interest in debating the supposed events of 30 years ago. You seem to obsess about them enough for ALL of us.

              • musicacre

                So, answering your posts is obsessing?

                • ErickMN

                  You’re still fussing about it after THIRTY YEARS. Get over it and move on.

          • Burger Fan

            I just did a google search on “history of aids tainted blood”. It took 4 seconds. Rumor confirmed. Thanks for the tip.

  • Fred

    Erick, thanks for sharing your views. Sometimes opening up reveals underlying insecurity and can lead to healing and you sound like you have a lot of pent up angst. I’m not sure what you’re true hatred is directed at, but I pray you find peace, in Christ. Sodomy in an unnatural act, and no, it is not inseparable from gayness. I suppose being a smart person you realize that sodomy is not the only mortal sin we pray for people’s reconciliation, the murder of innocent children in the womb and adultery but to name a few also are on our minds. Satan is cunning who preys on our weaknesses and encourages our rationalization of all kinds of selfish and immoral behavior. Don’t be a victim Erick, be aware and smarter than that, and most of all have love for Christ in your heart.

    • ErickMN

      You are welcome, Fred. Regardless of your feelings on the subject, sodomy is widely practiced by consenting adults of both orientations. And some, including gay couples, don’t practice it at all. What, exactly, is the value in you obsessing about what OTHER PEOPLE do in bed? Explain to me why that’s not a complete and utter waste of time. I’m listening. And, by the way, your Christ never said a single word about the subject. Not one. So you are misrepresenting his views, as well. Shame on you.

      • Fred

        Not really obsessed about what others do in bed, but yes I am always concerned when our government sanctions immoral behavior and tries to force society to comply, or else face the ire of the IRS or the closing of your business. Sorry, but two men or women do not a marriage make – no matter how happy they may be together. Also, I never said sodomy was a perversion that only gays engage in, note my reference to all mortal sins. Also sorry for you that you can rationalize behavior because you can’t find the phrase “sodomy is a sin” in bold print while ignoring other passages. If you are really that uncertain then be sure to ask him for clarification when you meet him at your judgment – are you that confident? Personally, I thought the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was pretty clear message of disgust. Also the union of a man and a woman cleaved together as of one flesh, to go forth and multiply, was a pretty clear message of love.

        • ErickMN

          What you fail to realize, Fred, is that your sky daddy and his book of stone-age age fables are relevant only to you and your ilk. That religous cr*p has no business in our laws and secular marriages. If you can’t function in a society composed of many different kinds of people, with many different kinds of beliefs, then stay home. That would be “win-win” for everyone.

          • Fred

            I wish you the best of luck and happiness in life (truthfully) following whatever it is you think you believe to be the reason for your life and existence, a random chance now I guess. Much anger comes across in your writings so you have a long road ahead to get there it sounds like. Maybe someday when you have a deeply humbling or near death experience you’ll come to understand that you have a divine purpose that is more than just being another spec in the universe and that you are connected to something greater. Or maybe not, and you’ll continue to see your existence as leading to nothing more than ashes and dust without a soul. Be a deep thinker Erick, and be honest with yourself about where your anger lies. Be humble like a child and not consumed with yourself, for blessed are those who believe who do not see. If you are so inclined I pray that you do not succumb to AIDS.

            • ErickMN

              I completely respect all of your comments (excepting the final reference to succumbing to AIDS – uninformed and juvenile, you let me down a bit). But why do you feel compelled to persecute gay people? Please clarify/elaborate.

              • Fred

                I have never advocated for the persecution of gay people, and I have had many acquaintances in my life with those who claim to be gay that I’ve been close to in a personal way (neighbors, co-workers, etc.). I have never wished ill will towards any of them. No, I have never tried to evangelize – our conversations are always about the stuff of ordinary life. However, if they asked me to participate in a wedding I would respectfully decline. Sodomy is a sin and I would no more celebrate it in a heterosexual couple or praise adultery. I love Jesus Christ with all my heart and I am ever thankful for his grace in forgiving my sins. I am a sinner too Erick, as are we all. I humbly think about that always before I react to others sins, but it’s not always easy especially in reaction to in-your-face militant tactics. I’m sorry if the last comment offended, I can see why you might think that juvenile though not knowing you I meant sincerely.

  • Deacon Ed

    The timing of this is something. It’s been almost 30 years since 13-yr.old Ryan White succumbed to AIDs at his home Indiana. That boy contracted the disease as a result of a “dirty” IV, if I remember correctly. However he was treated as badly as any promiscuous male could’ve been. What a shame. If they only had this pill or something else when he was sick!

    • Art Deco

      No, he was a hemophiliac and contracted it from tainted Factor – VIII. There were a number of stories of this sort between about 1984 and about 1989, but I tend to doubt it was all that common. The media deal in narratives and its the sort of morality play they fancy.

      • musicacre

        Hemophiliacs dying from tainted blood unfortunately was too common (more than 3,00 deaths) and still happening in Canada as a result of tainted blood in the blood bank for the hospitals. why they buy blood from brokers in the States, I have no idea why.

  • Tamsin

    As seen from space, in the near-earth orbit occupied by Progressives… a gay man getting HIV is morally equivalent to a straight woman getting pregnant.

    It’s a punishment, that can be prevented with pills, that the government must pay for.

    Socialized medicine can take a hike. And take some bishops with it. If we can’t agree on sexual morality, then it’s immoral for me to have to pay for your sexual choices.

  • DJ Hesselius

    Many years ago, I attended a lecture by a physician who was not convinced that HIV was all there was to AIDS. As I recall, he seemed to think HIV was a part of a larger puzzle. AIDS, in fact, was a total immune system collapse due to the continued assaults on the body. If this is true, an anti-HIV pill really won’t stop AIDS. It just might make it worse.

    • Art Deco

      I think you’re referring to the virologist Peter Duesberg. Very knowledgeable man, who has long maintained that HIV was an inconsequential ‘passenger virus’; would guess his thesis is completely wrong. The annual census of AIDS deaths fell off a cliff around about 2003 (though he may have an explanation for that consistent with his hypothesis).

      • DJ Hesselius

        I went back and looked it up, it was Root-Bernstein, author of Rethinking AIDS. That was back around 1993, so 20 years ago. Obviously, there is more information now than there was then, and I don’t know what his current views are. I only know of one homosexual man (I know more lesbians) and to the best of my knowledge he is not promiscuous. But let us say that HIV is a huge part of the problem and this drug solves that part. Promiscuous gay men would still end up with the problems that promiscuous heterosexuals end up with, and possibly worse, since, um, rectal tissue isn’t quite as durable as vaginal tissue is and more prone to infection (which get into the blood stream faster). And I’ve have heard that many promiscuous gays are also into heavy drug use, and that certainly has an impact on health.

  • Bob

    Apparently one of the major issues with Truvada is young, “gay” uninfected men won’t be compliant, not taking it daily but will become more promiscuous thinking they are protected. This is human nature. Many of the target audience for Truvada are addicted drug users, who try to mix Truvada with heroin, method, etc. Could be creating an unintended lethal cocktail not anticipated by Gilead’s clinical studies.

  • jacobum

    The natural solution is still the best solution because it is God’s solution. Namely, keep your pecker in your pants unless and until you are legally married to a woman in a faithful monogamous relationship.

    • ErickMN

      Are you in charge of enforcing that?

      • ForChristAlone

        You are acting like a surly adolescent. Jacobum is only saying what any believing Catholic would say and, since this is a site for “faithful Catholic laymen,” it makes all the sense in the world. I love you Erick and hope you love me as well.

  • Ohso

    Treatment Resistant strains of all manner of other STDs (Syph, Gono, MRSA….) remain on the rise, and the homo-anal coprophile population in places like Sodom by the Sea is still one of the greatest nexus for vectoring such diseases worldwide. Lets all give a big clap for the ‘tolerance’ Gaystapo.

    • Rhoda Penmark

      You seem to be seething with hatred. What would Jesus think of your attitude?

      • Guest

        You seem to be seething with hatred. What would Jesus think of your attitude?

    • ErickMN

      What kind of a freak posts publicly about coprophilia? Get some help, and get it now. Ish.

      • Ohso

        What kind of depraved perverts engage in Coprophilia – why the same ones you see in ‘pride’ parades celebrating it, or on the In-human-Rights Commission in Sodom by the Sea…

        Where they named a whole week in ‘honor’ of one of the most Racist Toddler Rapists insiders in the Demicrat Machine. Although the Lamesteam Media is also as loathe to report on Larry Brinkin as the physically harmful and deeply pathological Behaviors he (and all the truly ‘tolerant’) promote:

        SEE

        San Francisco’s Gay Icon Larry Brinkin Guilty of Felony Child Porn Possession
        1/28/14

        Larry Brinkin, convicted of felony child pornography possession on Jan. 21, had served on the San Francisco Human Rights Commission for 22 years. (AP)

        WARNING: Some of the language in this story is graphic and disturbing.

        (CNSNews.com) – Larry Brinkin, who worked at the Human Rights Commission for the City of San Francisco for 22 years and was a prominent homosexual rights activist for more than 40 years, pleaded guilty to felony child pornography possession last week.

        Brinkin is expected to serve six months in jail, five years of probation, and register as a sex offender for the rest of his life when he is sentenced on Mar. 5.
        But he likely will get to keep his city pension because possessing and viewing child porn apparently is not considered a crime of “moral turpitude” under San Francisco’s retirement/pension rules…

        http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/san-francisco-s-gay-icon-larry-brinkin-guilty-felony-child-porn

        • mitch64

          What does this have to do with anything (much less the topic at hand?) This pervert happened to have a certain job and yes indeed had a week named after him but no one knew about him doing these things..they certainly didn’t name a week after him after knowing what he had been up to (as you alluded to in your first paragraph.) He was a pervert who happened to serve on the Human Rights Commission.

          Unfortunately all of these sick things happen all across the world, not just “Sodom by the Sea,” (funny but not original..) Here’s a story from elsewhere:

          http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/cmpd-3-men-arrested-child-porn-investigation/ngmNt/

          They all look like pretty upstanding guys, one was military guy, who worked for the USO, are they responsible for his crimes? How about this guy who was the mayor of a town????

          http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/cmpd-3-men-arrested-child-porn-investigation/ngmNt/

          We could all go and look up these stories and cut and past them (hopefully from a more legitimate site then that oddball site you directed us to) all day long and what would it prove..that there is evil everywhere and these horrible crimes happen to kids everywhere.

          However, i agree that only in San Francisco, could that particular crime not fall under “moral turpitude,’ so this guy gets to keep his huge pension.

        • ErickMN

          This article has nothing to do with the vile subjects of coprophilia or pedophilia. And nobody else is discussing them, either. Just YOU. YOU are obviously obsessed with them. Why do you suppose you sit around all day and think about such filth?

          And why do you attend all those pride parades? No one forces you to do that, freak. You CHOOSE to do that.

          You have some serious mental health issues. Get help, and get it now. Yuck.

          • ForChristAlone

            Erick, just answer the man’s question. No need to attack him.

      • ForChristAlone

        “Sheesh…Ish” You’re more capable than this. I love you Erick. Do you love me? Do you love Ohso?

      • Bob

        Have you looked in to possibly using Truvada, Erick? If so, what is your thought process in the decision? It would be advantageous to have the opinion of an active homosexual. Or are you currently HIV positive and not eligible? Thoughts?

        • ErickMN

          How do you explain your fixation with homosexuality, Bob? Is that really how you envisioned your declining years would be? Do you suppose your heterosexual friends (assuming you have any) sit around all day thinking and posting about homosexuality and gay sex? Probably not. So what’s your excuse?

          You might also want to get a life of your own. Then, I guarantee you, you’ll have less time to obsess about mine. You’re welcome.

          • Bob

            No need to get defensive, it’s a fair question pertaining to the article. And considering you’re the only one posting here that possibly Truvada is indicated for, gaining you’re insight would be beneficial.

            Or are you just here to attack everyone? You’ve chosen to be here, no one is begging for you to stay.

            So as a “gay” man, would Truvada be a benefit for you due to your lifestyle?

            Or are you going to just attack me and not add to the discussion.

            • ErickMN

              If we’re going to get all personal, Bob…you go first.

              As a closeted, elderly gay man, how much does regret affect your perspective on Truvada? Does the very thought of gay people happily living their lives make you bitter and resentful? Do you cry yourself to sleep at night thinking about your own wasted life? And, finally, did you envision you would spend your declining years whining and moaning about the sex lives of other people? Probably not, I would venture to guess. Pathetic Bob.

              Let’s start with that. And then I’ll share a few tidbits about my life. You next Bob!

              • Bob

                As I expected.

                And I agree with the author and article, Truvada will lead to greater promiscuity, risk taking behavior (again) by the “gay” community. Putting many at risk.

                • ErickMN

                  Does “many” include you, Bob? Are you having sex with these people? Or do you just need something to complain about, Bob?

              • ForChristAlone

                Answer the man’s question, please Erick. I love you. Do you love Bob?

  • Saying Truvada will promote promiscuity is like saying seat belts promote reckless driving.

    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

      Bad analogy. Seat belts are used by safe drivers as well. Truvada will be used by homosexuals, who are inherently promiscuous, and will delude themselves into feeling “safe,” as if driving 95 MPH with a seat belt made any difference. And BTW, it is the “gay” community that is making this claim. Or didn’t you read the materials referenced in this article? Please return to your lame, pretentious comments on WV NPR, and leave adult conversations to adults.

      • ErickMN

        The only way you’d know that homosexuals are “inherently promiscuous” is if you had some proof to back that up. Were you promiscuous with them? Or are you just passing along anecdotal garbage? If the latter, I suggest you find a hobby that doesn’t tap into you inherent talents for gossiping and obsessing about the way OTHER PEOPLE live their lives (which you bizarrely and incorrectly term “adult conversation”). Perhaps getting a life of your own would go a long way towards that goal. What do you have to lose, except a lot of wasted time?

        • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

          Hello? The proof you seek is in the article above (and in every sociological study done since, oh, the 19th century). Why do you think the GAY COMMUNITY is reacting so strongly against Truvada? Why do you think Truvada is being marketed to the homosexual community? Do drug companies just enjoy the challenge of trying to sell a product to a population that has no use for it? Really, nobody’s taking you seriously Erick. Take your need for attention elsewhere, please.

          • ErickMN

            You seem to confuse the opinions of a few people with “proof”. At least now we know the “Dr.” in your name has nothing to due with scientific pursuits. Perhaps that only exists in your head, as well?

            If you don’t like your publicly-posted comments challenged, don’t post them in PUBLIC. If you can’t follow a few simple rules for online discourse, find another hobby. But, this time, for a change, find one that is actually useful in some way.

            • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

              Rational people conclude that infection rates are linked to promiscuity. The government certainly does. All your answers will be found at http://www.cdc.gov. The homosexual activists mentioned in the article (hardly a few random people) and everyone else on the planet is keenly aware of the situation. You are just making yourself look silly (and sad).

              • ErickMN

                You are seriously referencing the CDC website to support your bizarre claims? Hilarious! The CDC would quickly condemn your misinterpreation of their data, your unfounded generalizations, and the obvious bias and prejudice behind your commentary. In fact, “Dr.”, they would laugh you right off their campus. How shameful for you to misreprent the CDC in this way.

                You still don’t get the simple concept that opinions are no more than that – opinion. No opinion, or collection of opinions, has anything to do with “proof’. Time for you to mail back your online degree, “Dr.”.

                • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

                  At least you still have the word “shameful” in your vocabulary. That’s good…

              • Bob

                Gilead, like any successful biotech company, did their homework. The promiscuous gay market is large, probably above orphan drug status (200,000 patients per year.) They have extrapolated out what percentage of promiscuous gays they need on drug (at $1300 per month) to meet revenue targets.

              • Bob

                The ethical and moral case study of Truvada is mind blowing. Gilead is pursuing a profitable market of customers that wish to continue a lifestyle of anal sex with possibly hundreds of partners. How will Gilead market Truvada? I picture well groomed sales reps with exhibit tables set up with product, reimbursement information at gay nightclubs in San Francisco. These reps will be invited to speak in front of LGBT clubs at Ivy league colleges. Fascinating.

        • John200

          Dear Ewreck,
          There are many ways to know that homo”sex”uals are inherently promiscuous; the easiest is to listen when they tell you so. The self-reports are widely available.

          That fact is so well-established that there is no need to cite a mountain of evidence. Here are two studies to get you going:
          1. Dodds JP, Mercey DE, Parry JV, et al. Increasing risk behaviour and high levels of undiagnosed HIV infection in a community sample of homosexual men. Sex Transm Infect 2004; 80(3):236-240.
          2. McFarland W, Chen S, Weide D, et al. Gay Asian men in San Francisco follow the international trend: increases in rates of unprotected anal intercourse and sexually transmitted diseases, 1999-2002. AIDS Educ Prev 2004;16(1):13-8.

          Troll on. And pray that you may wake up from your long nightmare. It really is time to get a move on.

    • Art Deco

      I take it no one has ever uttered the term ‘moral hazard’ in your presence.

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