The Serpents Return to the Irish

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Jesus reached out to harlots. He did not reach out to their harlotry. Jesus reached out to hypocrites, often with a rhetorical fist to capture their attention. He did not reach out to their hypocrisy. He reached out to tax collectors, those half-traitors to their nation. He did not reach out to their treachery.

I am imagining a parade down Main Street of Anyville.

It’s the typical American parade. Some people are tootling on flutes, braying out almost-G on the trumpet, or banging the big bass drum. A group of high school girls in short skirts dance and twirl their batons. Old men with bellies stuffed into their faded Army uniforms march along with rifles slung over their shoulders. The gladhanding mayor comes waving in a limousine, a smile frozen on his face as people cheer or hoot. Fire engines one two three and four roar down the road with siren and horn. Middle-aged ladies from the middle-aged lady association come bearing friendly banners, smiling to the children in the crowds. A troop of boy scouts, a troop of girl scouts, a clown with big floppy feet, random boys running into and out of the festivities, somebody hawking cotton candy, parents along the sidewalks carrying small children on their shoulders; everything and everyone you expect.

In the parade are liars, cheats, gossips, Sabbath-breakers, and people who drink too much. In the parade are adulterers, a thief or two, a pleasant civic-minded taker of bribes, a man who beats his wife, and a wife who beats her husband. In the parade are people hooked on porn, and at least one woman who has produced some of it herself. In the parade are parents who have hurt their children and children who have hurt their parents. In the parade are fornicators, and some who have snuffed in the womb the natural result of their fornication. In the parade is a doctor who let an elderly patient die of an overdose of morphine because her relatives wanted it. In the parade are the angry, the false-hearted, the covetous, the slothful, the vain, the blasphemous, the licentious, the ambitious, the perverse, the cruel, the petty, the lukewarm, and the obscene.

In the parade are human beings. In the parade are sinners. We are in the parade and we are lining the streets to watch the parade.

In the town next to mine when I was a boy, the Italian immigrants had brought over from Gubbio a great festive parade, the Race of the Saints. Three teams of men, carrying seven-hundred-pound statues of Saint George, Saint Anthony, and Saint Ubaldo, Gubbio’s patron, would race up and down the hilly streets, to the cheers of most of their four thousand townsmen. Sin was carrying sanctity; sinners bent their backs and strained their legs to give honor to the saints.

That is why we have a parade. We who are not always honorable show our appreciation for honor.  We who are not always holy show our reverence for holiness. We who are small pay our respects to what is great. We who have received great benefits show some modest gratitude for those who have conferred them upon us.

Now let us suppose that the Royal Order of Wife-Beaters wants to add their float to the parade, with a jaunty young lady bending over to invite the man with the big paddle. Let us suppose that the Fornicators for Freedom want to march, dancing to “Paradise by the Dashboard Lights.” Let us suppose that a group calling itself Porn Again Christians wants to strut, with bikini underwear and thongs. Let us suppose that the Rumor Rustlers want to march, advertising their raison d’etre, to ferret out other people’s ugly secrets and to spread them abroad in gleeful caricatures.

We can imagine other groups too: The Ponzi Perps, The Brothers of Brawling, The Sharks of the Payday Loan, The Morphine Mavens, The Salacious Sluts, The Kiddie Korruptors, The Ku Klux Klan, The New Nazis, The Legal Thieves, The Sowers of Discord, The Peddlers of Public Office, The Gladhearted Gluttons, The Bloodsucking Leeches, The Refusers to Lift a Finger, and so forth.

Now suppose that the parade were ostensibly held to celebrate the feast day of a saint, and that a leader of the saint’s faith were to occupy the seat of honor. That would not be a case of sin carrying sanctity. It would be a case of sin marching right over the backside and the head of sanctity. Saint Patrick, according to legend, cast all the serpents out of Ireland. The new Patrick is more “inclusive.” He welcomes the serpents back in.

I take it as given that any politician who marched alongside the Ray Rice Family Fisticuffs Club would be shamed from office. That is not because the halls of our congresses and senates are for saints only. Would that they were! How many fewer and how much cheaper our political campaigns would be! It is simply because allowing the Ray Rice Family Fisticuffs Club to have a float in the parade is to affirm, with all the obvious noise and cheer of celebration, that there is nothing wrong with Family Fisticuffs. Nay, if only the prejudiced would consider the matter more carefully, they might see the fine constructiveness of Family Fisticuffs, especially as regards family order and peace and tranquility. Allowing the Ku Klux Klan to march would be to affirm, without your speaking a word, that there is nothing wrong about their racism; one might as well have a friendly photo taken with the top Kleagle, hooded and beaming and giving a thumbs-up to klods everywhere. That would not be “reaching out to Klansmen.” It would be to stoop to kiss their klownish feet.

I am not saying that all these evils are equivalent. I am saying that they are evils. Some are legally permitted, some are not; some are celebrated these days, some are shrugged away, and some are reviled. None of those accidental circumstances should matter to the man of God. The man of God does not help build a float for Kleagles, fornicators, embezzlers, porn stars, thieves, wife-beaters, rumor-mongers, liars, adulterers, sodomites, or any other sinners who want their sins, and not their souls, to be blessed.

Anthony Esolen

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Professor Esolen teaches Renaissance English Literature and the Development of Western Civilization at Providence College. He is a regular contributor to Crisis Magazine and the author of many books, including The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization (Regnery Press, 2008); Ten Ways to Destroy the Imagination of Your Child (ISI Books, 2010) and Reflections on the Christian Life (Sophia Institute Press, 2013). His most recent books are Reclaiming Catholic Social Teaching (Sophia Institute Press, 2014); Defending Marriage (Tan Books, 2014); Life Under Compulsion (ISI Books, 2015); and Out of the Ashes (Regnery, 2017).

  • Objectivetruth

    Great article, Tony.

    “Saint Patrick, according to legend, cast all the serpents out of Ireland. The new Patrick is more “inclusive.” He welcomes the serpents back in.”

    This says it all.

    • Tamsin

      Put a big statue of St. Patrick at the end of the parade, driving the “serpents” out before him.

  • ForChristAlone

    “The man of God does not help build a float for Kleagles, fornicators, embezzlers, porn stars, thieves, wife-beaters, rumor-mongers, liars, adulterers, sodomites, or any other sinners who want their sins, and not their souls, to be blessed.”

    And the fact that some Catholics are working right now to construct that float and that the Grand Marshall who will sit atop one of them is a “Prince of the Church” can be explained, in part, by this: “The Death of Shame”

    • DE-173

      I pondered your last sentence since it appeared. I was reminded this morning that humans are the only animals that feel shame and the only ones that need it.

      • ForChristAlone

        When was the last time you heard the word “shame” mentioned in any discourse? Parents, teachers, elders would not uncommonly have told a youngster, “You ought to be ashamed of yourself.” To illustrate how much things have gone askew, we are reduced to telling a man in his 60’s – otherwise known as a Cardinal/Archbishop of the Church – that he ought to be ashamed of himself. Instead, he cracks a joke. All very telling indeed.

        • DE-173

          At least 30 years ago. It is conspicuous by it’s absence.

  • big al

    Good on you for having the courage to challenge Cardinal Dolan on this grave sin. The Catholic media must not be afraid to challenge and shine lights even on popes and bishops. If it ain’t Catholic, we MUST call it out.

    • Ezra Pound

      He never even mentioned Dolan.

      • DE-173

        For somebody who took that pseudonym, you would think you’d be aware that there are messages that are written where the addressee is implied, and still clear to anybody familiar with the circumstances of the matter, but never explicitly stated.

        It’s an art and it avoids the risks inherent when the addressee seems fond of attention while holdingout hope that the fraternal correction can be acted upon without great personal embarrassment to a person who might be able to reflect on the errancy and urgency of the matter requiring reflection and correction.

        I used to work with an expert in this art, an attorney who inevitably turned my habanero laden missives into maple flavored oats. He used to say “you can call a spade a spade, without calling it a %%^%^ing shovel”.

        • Howard

          I agree with much of what you have to say, but I think this falls more under the category of “strengthening the brethren” than of “fraternal correction”. Cardinal Dolan will not read this article. An article like this is intended to rally those who have not yet completely sold out, and to remind them that why it important to hold on.

          • DE-173

            Cardinal Dolan will not read this article.
            Probably not, but it’s not impossible that some solcitous individual seekig a nice cushy job in the Chancery instead of having the demands of a Pastorate will present it to him for mutual ridicule.

            • Howard

              There is a huge spiritual danger in being posted to a high-profile diocese like that. It would have been better for Dolan’s soul if he had been made bishop of Tyler, Texas.

              • DE-173

                Any lost soul is a horrific tragedy.

                Ultimately though, he’s had the benefit of years of education. If he wants his bones to pave the floors of Hell, that’s one thing, but the sheep who wander aimlessly with a weak and imeffective sheperd are who I grieve most for.

              • FW Ken

                Tyler and East Texas are a racist culture. It would be interesting to see how Cardinal Dolan would deal with that.

                • Howard

                  Do you have support for that less than 40 years old?

                  Whether or not the culture of East Texas is currently racist, though, it certainly was within living memory. So if we could plop a bishop back in the Tyler, TX of 1935, how would he react if his greatest pleasure is chumming up with the powers that be, as seems to be the case for Dolan? We can never know for sure, but it seems likely that he would have adapted himself to the opinions of those who seemed to be in power. That might have been a tricky situation, since most Southern racists had little use for Catholics, and since as a mere bishop of Tyler he would crave the respect of other bishops in a way he does not as a cardinal and archbishop of New York. He would presumably have tried to please both sides, which would have been even trickier then than it is now.

                  The important point is that as long as he was most concerned about what other people thought of him, he would still have been a poor shepherd.

                  • FW Ken

                    I’m going on what black people from down that way tell me.

                    I do agree that Card. Dolan has a lot of the people-pleaser in him.

                    • Howard

                      Well, it’s not 1920’s Indiana. I lived there for about 7 years, and it didn’t strike me as particularly racist compared with the rest of the USA, but I was a Catholic working in a university, so my experiences can’t be taken as entirely typical.

                      I have to take your black friends with a grain of salt, too, though. A lot of the “racism” of today is comparable to the “persecution” that many Christians in America feel they suffer: the minor snubs and slights that are inevitable because fallen man is basically an enormous jerk. Of course, both real and serious racism and real and serious religious persecution have happened here in the past and must be guarded against for the future, but the tendency of people to describe themselves as holy martyrs has to be taken into account, too.

                      By the way, condemning a whole group of people on the basis of hearsay is not entirely unlike racism.

                    • FW Ken

                      Commenting on a relevant cultural feature is not condemnation, note does the very real culture of Easr Texas involve a whole group of people, but a large group of people.

                      And I’ll stand with my friends, who were slighted not just because of original sin, but because they were black.

                    • Howard

                      So you slight a large group of people based on where they live because of hearsay. That, of course, is EXACTLY how racism feeds. An anecdote here, a rumor there, and presto! There’s your justification for “commenting on a relevant cultural feature” of a race, or a nationality, or a religion, all with little or no first-hand knowledge.

                    • FW Ken

                      I’ve lived in Texas almost all of my life, some years in East Texas. But I’m sure you know better.

                    • Howard

                      And on the Internet, no one knows you are a dog.

                      Sorry, but this comes into the conversation too late to be credible.

                    • FW Ken

                      FW means Fort Worth. I’ve lived in Terrell, my people are from Wills Point (I was there yesterday). I have long-standing connections with east Texas beyond that. If you choose to not believe it, then you don’t. I’ll soldier on.

                      I will say that for a white boy to cavaliarly dismiss the experiences of black people has it’s own aroma.

                    • Howard

                      I don’t know whether you are white or black, but you are only one person. And yes, I feel comfortable with cavalierly dismissing you, since it took you so long to remember that you have “lived in Texas almost all of my life, some years in East Texas”. Even then you mention precisely no observation of racism on your own part, let alone racism that sets it apart from Fort Worth or, for that matter, New York City.

                    • FW Ken

                      Can’t even quote yourself honestly. Not to mention that white people (like me) are seldom treated like black people. Like never.

                      Let’s see. Arrogant, dismissive, loosely connected to facts… you must be an Internet atheist troll. So I’m done.

                    • MgW

                      Howard, you are being trolled. Do not feed the trolls.

                • Proud Texan

                  As a native of East Texas, and it’s still my home, I can truthfully say your words are blatantly false. There are some racists in East Texas (as there are everywhere), but to call the entire area and all its people racists is a lie.

                • Douglas Pearson

                  Tyler and East Texas are racist? Only if you consider Yankees a race.

                  • FW Ken

                    Ok. That was funny. 🙂

                  • MgW

                    Douglas, i have seen your avatar before, other people have that symbol. What does it signify?

                    • DE-173

                      It’s used to signify a Christian (aka a target) in places like Mosul.
                      I believe the character is an Arabic letter pronounce “nun”. Ironic.

                    • Douglas Pearson

                      It is the Arabic N used to mark Christian homes by Islamist radicals. The call Christians Nazarenes as a slur. This is my small way of standing with the persecuted Christians in Northern Iraq and other places.

                    • MgW

                      Ah…the “N” word! I like that. I might join you…yes, I will join you.

              • Douglas Pearson

                The hell you say! You Yankees can keep your troubles to yourselves thank you.

                • Howard

                  Where did you get the idea I’m a Yankee? At any rate, you’re mistaken.

                  • Douglas Pearson

                    My apologies for the insult!

      • Trazymarch

        @Ezra Pound You are right. Cardinal Dolan wasn’t mentioned in the article. However look at the article tags. You will find Card Dolan there.

        • Ezra Pound

          The article is extremely weak and not “artful” precisely because the author does not come right out and tell people the basic facts. You should always let your responses be, “yes, yes, or no, no,” and stop equivocating like the Modernists in the Church. Stop playing games, come right out and say it: Cardinal Dolan should resign as grand marshal of the parade, and hold prayers of exorcism for the parade at St. Pat’s Cathedral that day, and call upon all faithful Catholics in America to join him in solidarity to say those prayers. Otherwise, it is grossly scandalous and again, adds more confusion to the faithful and especially to young people. I’m no saint, I know my failings — but I also know my Catechism pretty well, and the whole event now with the cardinal as grand marshal is grossly scandalous. People need to come right out and say it and pray for Cardinal Dolan to change his mind and step away from the parade.

      • AugustineThomas

        Is there some other cardinal who is bowing to those who want to celebrate their sin at a parade that began in honor of St. Patrick?

        • Ezra Pound

          The article is weak, not “artful” precisely because the author does not come right out and tell people the basic facts. You should always let your responses be, “yes, yes, or no, no,” and stop equivocating like the Modernists in the Church. Stop playing games, come right out and say it: Cardinal Dolan should resign as grand marshal of the parade, and hold prayers of exorcism for the parade at St. Pat’s Cathedral that day, and call upon all faithful Catholics in America to join him in solidarity to say those prayers. Otherwise, it is grossly scandalous and again, adds more confusion to the faithful and especially to young people. I’m no saint, I know my failings — but I also know my Catechism pretty well, and the whole event now with the cardinal as grand marshal is grossly scandalous. People need to come right out and say it and pray for Cardinal Dolan to change his mind and step away from the parade.

          • Maria J.

            Love the idea of exorcism prayers ;
            good thing is , saying a ‘ Hail Mary ‘ can be a prayer of deliverance , asking for the trifold Father love , to pour into all hearts, for all stages of our lives , thus to be set free from the generational curse of pride , with all its attendant effects of anger, hatred , contempt of women , manipulative ways , greed , envy – all of these possibly from actions on part of ancestors , such as destryoing what is holy – ? life , relationship with God and each other or other such actions .
            Thus , the occasion can be used to help us all too, to remain agents of deliverance , for our coming generations .
            Holy Father Francis mentions how it is in our wounds we meet The Lord and may be the Cardinal does intend to use the occasion for same , to even set past generations free, by his prayers for mercy on all such !
            May St.Patrick who could raise the dead win and may efforts such as here help many to focus where we need to !

          • Anzlyne

            It is a parable Ezra.

          • Doug

            Maybe you need to read once again how Nathan revealed David’s sin to him.

      • Bellfri

        Did he have to?

      • Douglas Pearson

        St. John does not mention Rome… but we understand him anyway. No one is confused about the target here either… except maybe M.V. and his adherents.

      • M B

        He is in it though…

    • M B

      Amen!

    • realist

      This is the big problem I have with Catholic media and specifically catholic radio, and I’m sure many others do to. Try to call into catholic talk radio like Patrick Coffin
      or even Al Kresta and bring up the latest nonsense coming from people like Dolan and you’ll hear every excuse under the sun- like were all morons who even dare criticize their sacred heroe cows of the church. These radio hosts are jokes. They’re every bit as bad as calling some socialist-commie host who’ll protect Obama on every evil thing you can think of about that character.
      Aren’t you glad out there that it wasn’t the Coffin and Krestas of the world who wrote the Bible? You’d get a watered down propaganda version of everyone from Abraham Moses to St. Peter from these liars by omission.

  • lifeknight

    ? paragraph 3: association

  • lifeknight

    Excellent analogy with references to Christ and His association with sinners.
    The old “love the sinner/hate the sin” does not apply to the acts of Fr. Dolan’s condoning participation. With the green beer flowing, let’s pray he keeps his clerics on. (That was mean, but I woke up mean today.)

    • Tamsin

      With all the chatter about Jesus dining with Tax Collectors therefore He would have gone riding in a St. Patrick’s Day parade as the Grand Marshal, I wanted to look up the provenance of that old saying. From Catholic Answers,

      Question: I read that Christ did not say, “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” Who did?

      Answer: It’s from St. Augustine. His Letter 211 (c. 424) contains the phrase Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum, which translates roughly to “With love for mankind and hatred of sins.” The phrase has become more famous as “love the sinner but hate the sin” or “hate the sin and not the sinner” (the latter form appearing in Mohandas Gandhi’s 1929 autobiography).

      Answered by: Fr. Vincent Serpa O.P.

  • Pat Leary

    Gays very powerful in New York.Easier to be spineless.

    • Mariana

      Although they are a minority they are relentless when it comes to getting their way. The squeaky wheel always seems to get oiled.

      • Vinnie

        Oil might be part of the parade.

        • tom

          Wait for their “show” at the cathedral. Hide the children! It will be lewd. It always is. Dolan doesn’t care.

          • MgW

            I was wondering about this, Tom, but i have a THEORY that you will see chastely covered “gay” men and woman on their best behaivior! An agreement made in advance , to create the ilusion that it’s all “good”, in this decision and no one has anything to worry about, and to cajole the people to be open minded about yet more groups of Gay advocacy to march in the coming years. I think that if they are “allowed” to strut their usual shocking lewdness, then there will be a louder outcry and a “told you so” from those who are not happy that a Catholic Cardinal is leading this “charade-parade”.

            The devil is crafty and sly.

            • tom

              Could be, but I’m betting they’ll give us a parade we’ll never forget
              Anything “Catholic” must be debauched.

  • flourgiggy

    Apparently, just like so many politicians, Cardinal Dolan has his price.

    We don’t know what it is yet, but I have to assume it’s all about the money. He offered no other reason for his betrayal.

    • DE-173

      Apparently, just like so many politicians, Cardinal Dolan has his price.

      IMHO, it’s 30 pieces of silver.

      • Diane

        Yes….I agree. What’s in it for him? How much money is he being paid to allow these perverts to march with their banner?

        • DE-173

          He’ll be tolerated.

  • BettyinRI

    Thank you for your excellent writing. I forwarded your article Cardinal Dolan and asked him to read it and reconsider his decision to stand with those “parading” their sins before us. It is never an act of love to condone sinful behavior.

    • Ezra Pound

      Who? The writer never even mentions Dolan. Why doesn’t he do that?

      • tom

        Dolan’s the elephant in the cathedral….a pathetic pachyderm, too.

      • ubiPetrusEst

        The writer doesn’t mention Dolan because he doesn’t have to. Dolan has a long and sorry history of selling out the truths of the Catholic faith. For a fuller description of Dolan’s well-documented actions (technology does have its benefits), see http://dorothydayworker.blogspot.com/2014/09/gay-rights-abortion-infanticide-faith.html.

        In his column in the archdiocesan newspaper, “Catholic New York,” of September 18, 2014 (p. 5), Dolan “explains” his decision to serve as Grand Marshal of the 2015 St. Patrick’s Day Parade and insists that “the new policy [does not] violate Catholic faith or morals” because ” ‘being Gay’ is not a sin, nor contrary to God’s revealed morals. Homosexual ACTIONS are…. So while ACTIONS are immoral, IDENTITY is not!” (capitals are italic in the original). He is totally committed to this wrong course of action and is not backing down. Indeed, he explains how “the leaders of the Parade Committee tried to be admirably sensitive to Church teaching. They worried that the former policy was being interpreted as bias, exclusion, and discrimination against a group in our city, which, if true, would also be contrary to Church teaching…. I found their sensitivity wise, and publicly said so…. I share the hope of the organizers that the March 17th parade will be loyal to its proud heritage of celebrating Irish identity, culture, and contributions–all a beautiful part of Catholicism–thus bringing this great community TOGETHER in unity and festivity, and look forward to leading it as Grand Marshal.”

        It would take a very large spade to shovel this amount of manure, and if St. Patrick did come to New York to drive out the snakes, he might start with the largest one.

        • DE-173

          Wow that’s insulting excrement from the corpulent one.

          There’s a part of me that thinks this ends in “Weakland”.

        • TERRY

          “Homosexual ACTIONS are sinful. So while ACTIONS are immoral, IDENTITY is not.”

          Thanks, Eminence or whatever you’re called for deigning to point out to us in the trenches something we’ve known for the last 25 or so years.

          That still doesn’t explain why you’re marching or whatever in the parade with people who OPENLY disagree about the sinfulness of their ACTIONS.

          IOW – they don’t think there is anything wrong with it. We here in the trenches have managed to figure out that much so far, so it stands to reason that you’ve figured out something that we haven’t figured yet.

          Enlighten us please.

    • DE-173

      “I forwarded your article Cardinal Dolan ”
      Nice.

      • BettyinRI

        Oops! Can’t correct it now… But thanks for pointing it out!

        • DE-173

          No problem, I got your meaning. That was approval, not sarcasm.

    • AugustineThomas

      Sorry to tell you but he’ll never see it. Just like the messages I send to Archbishop Gomez asking him why there isn’t a single traditional (read orthodox) Confirmation ceremony in the largest archdiocese in America, it will be deleted on sight.

      • Josephine Harkay

        I am sure somebody will read it; and it may change that person’s heart.

        • s;vbkr0boc,klos;

          When pigs fly.

  • ForChristAlone

    In today’s Office of Readings there is a strong message from St Augustine directed to our current crop of bishops – especially the one from New York

    • Dick Prudlo

      send a copy to the Bishop of Rome, too. I am certain he tossed his office readings along with his Faith and Moral clause.

  • publiusnj

    I wish the Parade Committee had continued to hold tough. A much bigger issue, though, is before us Catholics: the Synod on the Family’s consideration of Communion for the Divorced and Remarried during the lives of their spouses. We can do something about that issue before it becomes a fait accompli.

    Remarriage after Divorce is an issue that cannot be “nuanced around” because it is “the sin that keeps on sinning” even after Confession. So long as the “remarried couple” does not break up and does not determine to live as brother and sister (bro-sis), the sinning continues. So, the Synod cannot make up some little bow to propriety after which the remarriage can proceed on an acceptable basis. YET, the Pope speaks in a positive way about Cardinal Kasper’s proposal.

    WOW. I have always been proud of the Catholic Church because I saw how the Church alone stood for Christian Morality while Protestantism was collapsing on all social issues as they came up, starting with liberalized Divorce in the 1960s. Popes could be sinners but they could not lead Christ’s Church astray. Yet, Pope Francis speaks approvingly about Re-Marriage Adultery, the one area where Christ was even more strict than Moses.

    This is scary stuff. If Remarriage Adultery can be ignored then all the other rules we were given seem up for ignoring as well. We Catholics who are faithful to the Church need to speak out as the Sensum Fidelii and make it clear that departure from Christ’s Clear Rule will lead us to consider all lesser rules, such as the Ecclesiastical Requirement that we go to Church on Sundays, to be no less ignorable.

    I propose that faithful Catholics therefore tell their pastors that they are dropping out of Church and will stop contributing if the Synod adopts any rule permitting Remarried persons to receive Communion if they continue to live with their “second spouses” in other than a bro-sis (or bro-bro or sis-sis) relationship during the lives of their first spouses.

    • ForChristAlone

      Drop a line to the Papal Nuncio’s office in DC as I did protesting any change in teaching re: reception by those divorced and remarried (i.e. living in adultery). Ask that this protest be passed along to Bergolio

      • publiusnj

        Good idea. Can you post the address for me and others?

        • ForChristAlone

          Here goes: Archbishop Carlo Vigano Address: 3339 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20008 Phone:(202) 333-7121

      • Aliquantillus

        Bergoglio will side with Dolan. Dolan has taken this decision to be more in line with the Unholy Father in Rome, and to favour his own carreer.

        • DE-173

          What “career”? Does he fancy himself papabile? I doubt that’s possible. This is one case where I favor a deep rerservoir of irrational anti-Americanism.

    • MgW

      This is scary stuff.
      I wonder if this is what Jesus spoke of when he said.
      “For if in the green wood they do these things, what shall be done in the dry?”

  • CharlesOConnell

    Plain as potatoes, the most dedicated among that Anytown parade crowd are child pornography aficionados. What’s the point of the sodomite pseudo-marriage party’s complete political hegemony if they can’t make Man-Boy Love the next big push?

    http://www.presentation-r2l.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/1stAmendmentGayToilet.jpg

  • Paul Roese

    of course one might ask why are military units involved in the parade? what did Saint Pat have to do with soldiers? also adultery is a sin. being homosexual isn’t. if “Irish” folks wish to march in military units or labor unions or in a gay group what’s the big deal? for all the complainers know the gay marchers may be living chaste lives while all the straight folks are adulterers or fornicators.

    • ForChristAlone

      Here they come…word is out

    • DE-173

      “of course one might ask why are military units involved in the parade?”

      If one has a cognitive deficit, one might ask that question as a serious inquiry.

    • CadaveraVeroInnumero

      “. . . being homosexual isn’t . . .”

      This is where the Church needs to rethink the wording (and its backside notion) which has coiled around its moral language. Being a homosexual (like being an adulterer, as with being a murderer) is a sin. Quibble, please do, over how a something does not participate in a sin as something else. The following still holds. The *condition* of homosexuality is a sin as much as the act. The condition looks forward to, honors, and longs for the acting act.

    • GG

      Self identifying by a disorder and leading others to think such a thing is normal, healthy, to be acted on, and ordained by God is a grave sin.

  • s;vbkr0boc,klos;

    Anthony, I’ve read you for years now, and man, your just not EVOLVING.

    • Brian

      ?

      He isn’t “evolving” because what is good has always been and always will be, and what is evil has always been and always will be. There’s nowhere to evolve too.

      • I think s;vbkr0boc,klos; was speaking tongue in cheek. 🙂

      • Martha Renner

        Sarcasm, dearie. 🙂

  • A magnificent tour de force!! One of your best, and right on!

  • What if it was just a parade and no body watched.

  • The_Monk

    Indeed! May eyes that comprehend read this article….

  • yes

    The best analysis I’ve seen on the parade. What if all of us forwarded the article to Cardinal Dolan & his staff? Surely if enough people emailed them the article, he might read it & change his mind & do the right thing by honoring the name of the great Saint Patrick.

    • tom

      He is too weak. Perhaps an emergency cupcake can be delivered to revive him?

  • MgW

    O yes Prof! You put it PERFECTLY in perspective! Thank you

  • Mike

    Shame on the parade organizers, shame on Cardinal Dolan for still going. Mary mother of God help us, show us the way. Cast out these demons from your sons Church.

  • MgW

    I was wondering if we could ask the men and women of COURAGE to walk in the parade and they could carry large crosses maybe even carry large statues of the saints. They would be serenely joyful! This would be a beautiful way to teach the mercy of God for people with SSA that The Church lovingly but secretly loosens on earth. Yes, Sadly COURAGE, which is the perfect role model of Catholic teaching in regards to this matter, is kept in the closet of The Catholic Church. No one wants to see them or speak of them. Why is that?

    • Daniel P

      This. A thousand times this.

      I wish that the Cardinal, when faced with the question of the gay Irish group marching, had asked whether it was open for a group of Irish Courage members to march. If it is not, then clearly the parade organizers weren’t really concerned with dignifying gay people, but only with dignifying certain gay people with particular moral opinions.

      And I don’t understand, either, why Courage is dealt with like a dirty little secret. It’s a wonderful organization doing the Lord’s work.

      • MgW

        Thanks for your support in this suggestion , Dan

      • DE-173

        And they most definitely should not be treated that way.

      • TERRY

        Hear the one about the 2 gay irishmen? Patrick Fitzmichael and Michael Fitzpatrick.

    • Objectivetruth

      “I was wondering if we could ask the men and women of COURAGE to walk in the parade and they could carry large crosses maybe even carry large statues of the saints.”

      Excellent idea.

      And I would go to the parade that day and help them carry those crosses and statues.

      • MgW

        Me too I would want to help them carry the crosses too! They need our support and encouragement.

        • tom

          A Louisville Slugger might be more useful.

    • ForChristAlone

      Someone who was intimately connected with the making of the recently-released film “Desire of the Everlasting Hills” produced by the Catholic group Courage asked for my help (who to get in touch with, etc) in order to get a Courage group started in our diocese, came back to me admitting he had hit the proverbial brick wall. A couple of attempts to communicate with our bishop to get his endorsement of such a group to help those struggling with same sex attraction and wanting to remain chaste were to no avail. Our bishop did not even reply to him.

      Our Church (and here I am talking about our beloved hierarchy) far too often preaches compassion toward those with SSA but when called upon to walk the walk, they come up short. I am left only to conclude that far too many of our bishops are gun shy about matters of “homosexuality” because of their clergy scandal and the lawsuits it provoked that they want nothing to do with the matter at all – the salvation of souls notwithstanding.

      The Cardinal Archbishop of New York who sports the title “Your Eminence” ought to take a page from the shepherding book written by one of his predecessors, John O’Connor who quietly and without a lot of press fanfare went to the hospital to wash the bodies of men dying of AIDs. This joker wants to be the Grand Marshall of the Gay Parade in March. Oh, how things have changed.

      • MgW

        Yes, i hear a lot of similar stories in my section of the boat. You know, weekly gay friendly Masses, no one questions them– vs. people wanting to start COURAGE/ENCOURAGE groups get the run around. There is a REAL FEAR there on the part of priests and bishops. A fear of rocking the boat. This is such a dangerous situation in so many ways. All of this confusion and frustration in the sheepfold! And there is no human consolation. It is a dangerous vulnerable position for the sheep. Could this be the time that Jesus was talking about when he said .” ……what will happen when the wood is dry? What will happen?

      • JTLiuzza

        In addition to being “gun shy” about such matters or fearful, which most of them are, another problem is that many of them are sodomites themselves.

      • DE-173

        Cardinal O’Connor was my Bishop before he was sent to Gotham. In those days there was all kinds of speculation about how HIV was spread, and for all he knew he was taking his life in his hands.

        In those days, there was no drug like Combivir to control the virus, and Karposi’s sarcoma was just one of the effects. I wonder how many souls were convinced to repent because of his efforts.

    • MgW

      Here is a prayer…to help them with their crosses.

      Lord, we come before you today to pray for our brothers and sisters who carry the burden of of Same-sex-attraction in their lives. We pray that they may commit to a life of chastity, find healing through your grace, and consolation in your love for them. We bring before you, all the Christian faithful, especially, our Church and government leaders, that they may offer continual compassion and support for these souls in your Truth, that not one of your sheep may be lost to the gay lifestyle , and that no one may carry this burden alone. Help each of us here today to be open to your call at all times, that WE MAY BE BOLD, and ever ready to see and love you in our brothers and sisters who we see struggling against the sin of homosexual acts or trapped in the snares of the gay lifestyle. Amen

      That most charitable prayer is an wonderful testimony of the COURAGE ministry’s authentic love for homosexuals. Authentic and truly humble!

      You will find the entire prayer on their website (part of the Chaplet of the precious Blood http://couragerc.org/

  • colleen

    thanks once again for making the murky clear ~ love your contribution to Magnificat

  • Fred

    Just lovely. Maybe the bands should be instructed to strike up the familiar tune
    “Oh when the snakes coming marching home, I want to be bitten in that number”.

  • gespin3549

    Excellent on target commentary.

  • Pamela

    This is outstanding. Thank you.

  • Arlen

    When the day of the parade approaches, I hope that faithful Catholics everywhere will resist the urge to tune in to watch the parade on television. Last I heard, we vote with our remote controls. Every time we tune in to a channel, we boost their viewings and their programming is thus interpreted to be “a success”. We can boycott the parade in a small way by refusing to turn on the TV to the coverage of the parade.

    • DE-173

      Or in some cases, to simply not acquire that urge.

    • English Catholic

      Better still, throw your TV out of the window, or shoot it. St Pio called it the devil’s tabernacle for a reason.

      Look up St Elizabeth Seton’s vision as well.

    • Akira88

      Maybe some will be showing up praying the Rosary.

      Sometimes I wonder how much more will God take from us, from our leaders …
      It’s like we’re walking through the desert complaining about the manna.

  • Bravo. Excellent article.

  • Ezra Pound

    Geez, all that text and writing and words and not once did the writer say what needed to be said: Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of the diocese of New York, is wrong to be the grand marshal of a St. Patrick’s Day parade that will include sodomites celebrating and promoting sodomy — Dolan should resign as grand marshal, not participate, and hold Mass and prayers of exorcism in the Cathedral while the parade is passing by. … Why so hesitant to just say what needs to be said? …..

    • Augustus

      It’s clear you are not a writer. Why would anyone who already agrees with you read what you just said? You add NOTHING to the conversation. No deep insights, no imagination or creativity. No website would survive for long if it published writers with no literary imagination or writing talent. Everyone knows who Dr. Esolen is talking about. Why be so literal when you can convey the same message with greater force and in an entertaining style?

      • Akira88

        Look, I agree with you; let’s cut the person some slack. We all agree on one thing — it is Dolan’s Debacle.

        • Augustus

          He asked a question and I answered it, and so did you. What gives you the authority to decide who has the right to response and how and who doesn’t?

          • Akira88

            Hey, settle down. We can extend some charity. Maybe the person didn’t understand. I can ask you the same thing about authority. I never said I had any. This is getting off topic.

            • Augustus

              “Ezra Pound” clearly has a problem grasping subtlety. The answer to his question needed to be spelled out for him. I answered it in my own way. You answered it in yours. I didn’t question your approach. You questioned mine. Now you are blaming me for the very transgression you committed. And who was the one who first directed our conversation off topic? If you are going to accuse someone of wrongdoing, don’t be shocked or offended if they defend themselves.

    • Akira88

      The author waxed poetic in his descriptions. Since we all know the story, this was a different point of view that – I think – provokes a deeper level of thought. It made a clear distinction between being a sinner and being Catholic, versus, being a sinner and regaling in the sin. The sin is given a big fat stamp of approval by the one who should be admonishing. Cardinal Dolan is the only one who has accepted the lead position of such a parade/celebration.

    • SteveTirone

      Because thousands of us New Yorkers already have asked our Cardinal Archbishop to withdraw as Grand Marshal. Professor Esolen is from Rhode Island. It’s not his place, nor should his voice have any more weight than those of the Cardinal’s own flock. Leave Professor Esolen alone.

  • Ezra Pound

    Why doesn’t the author even mention Card. Dolan? And call on him to resign as grand marshal?

    • Akira88

      Cardinal Dolan is certainly implied. I think it was a very clever inclusive article that looks at the big picture — sinners celebrating the life of a saint vs sinners celebrating their sin – or debauched behavior.

      It is unfortunate that Cardinal Dolan looks like a buffoon in all this. If anything it’s not dignified.

  • SteveTirone

    The Cardinal began his apologia for remaining Grand Marshal of the new and improved Patty’s Parade™ with the cheap rhetorical trick of attempting to distract his readers with the “well-chee-fellers-I’m-just-a-reglur-Joe-like-youse-guys” trope, by stoking baseball rivalry:

    “I haven’t been in this much hot water since I made the comment, right after I arrived as your archbishop five-and-a-half years ago, that Stan Musial—my boyhood hero of my hometown St. Louis Cardinals—was a much better ballplayer than Joe DiMaggio!”

    Well. It was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan who gave the great Stan Musial his sobriquet of “The Man.” We revere Stan Musial here too. I wonder what Stan Musial would think of his fan’s decision to act as Grand Marshal under the new dispensation. After all, he was a fervent Catholic, was Stan The Man. So Catholic that when certain women suggested that they, you know, have a little fun together, his wife needn’t know anything, after all, it’s natural, we’re all born that way—he’d toss them out on their ears, letting them know, in no uncertain terms, that as a Catholic man, he wasn’t going to play that game. Ever.

    • DE-173

      Stan Musial—my boyhood hero of my hometown St. Louis Cardinals—was a much better ballplayer than Joe DiMaggio!”

      And he was the better player. Perhaps the Cardinal knows something about baseball. How nice.

      • SteveTirone

        Uh, yeah, my point is that Stan Musial was, apparently, a better Catholic than the Cardinal. Perhaps the Cardinal should brush up more on his faith and leave the box scores to another time.

        And, no, I’m not going to get into any debate about the relative merits of the two ballplayers, which I believe is what the Cardinal wants, so we stop focusing on the point at hand.

        • DE-173

          I was just trying to find something nice to say about the Cardinal.
          That’s ok, there’s really no debate.

          • SteveTirone

            Oh, I get it now. I’m sorry.

            • DE-173

              No problem. No apology required.

    • Akira88

      It’s as if Cardinal Dolan has forgotten about his divine vocation.

  • Ed of Ct.

    Shame on Doaln

    • Ed of Ct.

      What happened to my post afterward

  • Ed of Ct.

    Dolan correct spelling is known to oversee-shameful video a Homosexual run parish St Francis Xavier in NYC. he is in public interviews stated he has NEVER promoted the Catholic faith on Morals sex and otherwise for Years. Then there is the Laugh and Joke fest with Joe Biden on the altar of St . Patrick’s -video during Palm Sunday services no less. who can forget similar atrocity with Barack Obama in the Al Smith so called dinner a few weeks before the 2012 presidential election. No wonder the Liberal NY Times noted in their paper how completely inept Dolan , Clark and Hubbard so called Bishops in NY were in stopping the Pro Abortion Homosexual so called marriage agenda pushed in NY by alleged Catholic Gov. Cuomo. Both Dolan and Hubbard even insisted that Coumo living in sin with a woman he is not married to can receive communion and is a Catholic in Good !! standing. St Patrick must be spinning in his grave at Dolan and the Hibernians(Founded in the 1850’s to protect Old St. Patrick’s from Bigot-Know nothing attacks)leading a sodomite NBC group at a parade honoring a Catholic saint. SHAME on b Dolan and Cowardly Ex Catholic Hibernians and bishop. Francis should oust Dolan and not hassle loyal Catholics like Archbishop Burke.

    • Ed of Ct.

      I found it further down thank you.

      • Don Martin

        This sinner will not be marching this year.
        I think that we should instead pray, and I would love to have someone suggest a venue where we could all meet and kneel for a moment and say a prayer for those who came before us, who gave so much though they had so little.
        What the know nothings could not do, those who “know everything” have accomplished.
        This is indeed a sad time. It is ironic too that the sainthood cause of Bishop Fulton Sheen is stymied right now. Sheen said being right when everyone else is right is not at all remarkable. To be right when everyone else is wrong is what is truly remarkable.
        The Cardinal is going along to get along. He is being taken for a ride to a secularist utopia, which is another way of saying that he is going to a place that is nowhere.

  • accelerator

    I think Dolan was quite wrong. That said, I don’t think this convinces. Homosexuals are not malicious in their sin they way the other exemplars are. We will get no where comparing them to wife beaters. And if the parade is surrounding by public drinking in excess, it does not really convince to talk about it pointing to examples of holiness. Dolan should have just excused himself form his position. We have already lost the culture, so only come across as mean-spirited in these disputes. Better to clearly teach true sexuality morality within our own walls. Since that is not even happening now, it seems a more immediate concern.

    • JTLiuzza

      All sin is malicious.

    • Akira88

      It’s all sin. One sin isn’t being weighed against another in the article. The author is stressing the complacency and acceptence by the leader- in this case Cardinal Dolan, implied. There would be no acceptance of people who were against the government on common core, no tolerance if cigarette smokers lit up celebrating smoking.

      This is the best article I’ve read on the St. Pat’s Parade Mess.

    • Tony

      What about Fornicators for Freedom? Or Porn Again Christians? What about all the sins mentioned above?

      Are you suggesting that sins that don’t involve violence aren’t really sins? Or that what the gay activists do in our schools is not deeply malevolent? What they’ve done to anyone who has opposed them publicly? Look at what they did to the family name of Rick Santorum. I’m sorry, but people with a deep moral and psychological disorder, firmly attached to the unnatural, should not be parading their disorder to be celebrated and emulated. Their sin happens to be fashionable now, that’s all.

      • DE-173

        Look at what they did to the family name of Rick Santorum.
        Despicable.

      • GG

        True, but you are talking to the brainwashed and credulous.

    • GG

      “Gays” always get a special pass for their disordered appetites.

  • Austin Ruse

    Bravo, Esolen. You are a master…..

  • AugustineThomas

    What can we expect? Living in Nazi Germany and everything..

    • bizbird6

      Hitler is a Catholic!!! He was Born a Catholic and DECLARED his Catholic Religion to the World.

      It is Catholic Hitler that caused the MURDER and Death of MILLIONS in World War 2.

      It is the Catholic Church and Hitler’s Pope that hold much the BLAME for the Nazi EVILS of World War 2.

      Wishes…………………………

      • ForChristAlone

        Didn’t I say that someone left the door to the asylum unlocked?

      • Helene

        If anything Hitler was an occultist – member of the Thule Society. He hated Christianity and wanted to replace it with a Germanic-type pagan worship. And there is no such thing as ‘Hitler’s Pope’ when you are referring to Pope Pius XII. Pope Pius XII did more to save Jews in Italy during WWII than any other leader, religious or political. Even the NY Times sang his praises back in the 1940’s. Please get informed before spreading your calumny.

        • bizbird6

          Hitler said he was a catholic and he was never
          excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Some Hitler quotes:

          “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain
          so.”— Adolf Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941

          “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the
          will of the Almighty Creator.”— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 46

          “I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Almighty
          Creator. By fighting the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s work.”— Adolf Hitler,
          ibid. p. 65

          “This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
          practical existence of a religious belief.”— Adolf Hitler, ibid. p 152

          You can’t call Hitler not a Christian, because that’s not your
          call.

          “If all the Christians who have called other Christians ‘not
          really a Christian’ were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left.” –

          Anonymous.

          ————————–

          And that is NOT ALL!!! I can give you a ton of MORE INFORMATION that Hitler was a Catholic…………………………..

          • Helene

            I’m not denying that he was a baptized Catholic – my point is that by his total disregard for Catholic and Christian teaching he has essentially disassociated himself from Christ and His Church. Anti-Semitism, the Holocaust, sanctioning the experimentation, torture and murder of handicapped people (ie Dr Joseph Mengele), putting gypsies, priests into concentration camps (ie St. Maximilian Kolbe) and other atrocities are completely incompatible with Catholic & Christian teaching. For the sake of argument Hitler might have viewed his conduct as in keeping with the will of God, but it was a god of his own making, nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian God.

          • DE-173

            Bizbird6 must be one of those “whacko birds” McCain spoke about.

            • bizbird6

              I LIKE McCAIN, I voted for him and ROMNEY in the previous Elections.

              Wishes……………

  • Glenn

    In the Gospel reading today we hear the parable of the man who owed much being forgiven who then refuses to forgive the man who owed him much less. By this we are to forgive others as we have been forgiven. Therefore but for the grace of God go I. Notice what is missing. There is no justification, no argument, there is just acknowledgement of the debt. Then forgiveness is given. Then mercy and love can freely flow. If the debt is not acknowledged then it can not be forgiven. To allow others to continue to amass their debt or sin to ignore the obvious and call it love is to lead the debtor farther away from forgiveness and ourselves farther away from the command to love others as we love ourselves.

  • tom

    Timothy Cardinal Dolan can only say something like, “The more the merrier.”

  • realist

    Dolan always has to be the big fricken star with all the TV cameras and microphones. This is what he lives for, that, and all the fancy free meals before he goes back to his mansion, when he’s not hobnobbing in Rome, where he lives–no joke. The man lives like a king.

  • Ruth+Naomi

    Sorry, Tony, you lost.

    • GG

      Huh?

      • ColdStanding

        Ruth and Naomi are persons of the same sex that have made a pact to avail themselves to each other for mutual self-affirmation.

        • ForChristAlone

          mutual what?

          • ColdStanding

            agreement to not say anything is out of the ordinary

            Example dialog:
            Role 1: “Hey what are you doing putting _______ there?”
            Role 2: “There is nothing out of the ordinary going on here.”
            Role 1: “Oh, well that settles it then. Carry on.”

            The theory is as long as someone else says it is OK, you’re covered.

    • M

      Big time.

      • ForChristAlone

        Tony, you have written the truth which for homosexuals is hard to swallow.

        • GG

          Yes, truth is hate to those who hate truth.

    • GG

      He has won, is winning, and will win in the future.

  • Sharon

    Not taking a stand is taking a position. Actions speak louder than words. You are supposed to serve God and God’s laws not glory in the view of the world. “The devil is capable of confusing the most brilliant mind.” ~Saint Padre Pio #truecolors

  • NYCatholic

    HEAR HEAR and I said much the same thing on my blog. Thank you for a great article!

  • Katalina

    It appears under the new Church of Nice that has intensified under the present Papacy that mercy and forgiveness trumps Divine Justice. Jesus is Mercy no doubt and he did say Neither will I condemn you but they always forget the last part GO AND SIN NO MORE. Why? Because we are reactionary judgmental Pharisees? No because sin gravely offends God and HE will not be mocked by this willingness to please men and obey them rather than
    God as St Paul says. You can’t serve two masters. You either serve God or Satan.

    • realist

      Pharisee cardinal dolan has no problem calling fellow catholics who critisize him “not real christians” How do I know this? Because I heard him say exactly this very recently.

      • DE-173

        I wish I heard it.

  • crakpot

    This guy writes so well.

  • John Albertson

    You write marvelously and the the point, but I regret that Cardiinal Dolan seems to have neither the mental acuity to understand what you are saying, or the moral courage to act upon it. These are sorry days for the crumbling Church in New York which has no truly Catholic leader.

  • Yankeegator

    OoRah!!!

  • M

    “The man of God does not help build a float for Kleagles, fornicators, embezzlers, porn stars, thieves, wife-beaters, rumor-mongers, liars, adulterers, sodomites, or any other sinners who want their sins, and not their souls, to be blessed.”
    Then the “man of God” will not be helping anybody in the world to build a float and will remain alone, priggish and sanctimonious, in a prison of his own making while the world happily goes on without him. Perhaps the true “man of God” doesn’t judge others quite so harshly and follows the CCC with regard to avoiding unjust discrimination against gays? Does the “man of God” attend a mass said by a gay priest? If not, Catholics really have a problem.

    Esolen places being gay in the same category as being a KKK member or abuser while disingenuously claiming otherwise. Part of the NYC St. Patrick’s Day parade is funded with taxpayer dollars and most taxpayers have now decided to ditch anti-gay bigotry just as they have decided to ditch the racial bigotry associated with the KKK and the anti-woman bigotry associated with wife beating. That is why it is fair and just that, in this public event, a gay pride float is acceptable while a KKK float or a wife beaters float is not.

    • ForChristAlone

      I knew someone would leave the door to the asylum open. Here they come.

      How about what the CCC says about homosexuality being a disordered act?

    • GG

      There nothing unjust about discriminating against scandalous behavior. In fact, it is required to avoid such things. The CCC does not promote parading around with ideologues that lead others off the road to salvation. Simple case.

      Save your propaganda for the soft headed and dissenting.

    • Daniel P

      Shoplifting is not a huge or terrible crime. Esolen’s point, writ small, is just that we shouldn’t have a float for shoplifters. He clearly thinks that people marching in the parade under the title “gay” means that they promote same-sex sexual behavior.

      So my question for you is simple: What do you think “gay” means? If being gay implies promoting same-sex sexual behavior, then Catholics can’t support the float. So “gay” would have to mean something else, in order for a Catholic to support it. That’s the point. I’m not sure I agree 100% with Esolen on this point, since some people call themselves gay without believing in sodomy. But I wonder what you think? Would it would be OK for a group of chaste gay people to march in the parade? Would you let them, if you were in charge?

      • M

        One can tolerate without supporting. In a pluralistic society, we need to do a lot of tolerating. In a publicly funded event, it’s only fair that much of what we tolerate should be determined by the mores of our time, not by the mores of a minority. This is particularly true when the focus of the event is more cultural than religious. Many (most?) of the participants are not Catholic.

        I see a vast difference between tolerating gays and tolerating shoplifting. Gays are not antisocial purely by virtue of being gay; shoplifters are antisocial by virtue of shoplifting. So, yes, I would certainly let chaste gay people march. I would also, if I were in Dolan’s position, accept the inclusion of potentially “not chaste” gays. I don’t really need to know which ones are chaste and which aren’t. They’re just human beings, probably for the most part born the way they are, who have historically been persecuted and who, imo, deserve a little reassurance and support. And, as Pope Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” There is a movement within the Catholic church toward providing pastoral care to gays and avoiding all discrimination against them. One can do this even if one thinks homosexual acts are wrong. We know that a proportion of Catholic priests are gay. If gays can be included in the priesthood, why can’t they be included in something as trivial as a parade?

        • TommyD6of11

          So why not pederasty?

          After all, who are you to judge.

          Those who are pedophilic-phobic need to take a back seat to progress.

          Sarcasm.

          • Daniel P

            Tommy, that was uncalled for.

            • TommyD6of11

              Actually, my comment is called for. Pederasty will be the next be civil rights. In England, members of the Labor Party are pushing to lower the age of consent to 10 years old. Likewise in Iran.

              Google Kevin Jennings, Obama Safe School Czar, and then tell me my comment is uncalled for

          • M

            To further clarify what I wrote above:
            1) Pederasty and pedophilia are not widely accepted within the mores of our time. Hence expressions of these orientations are not acceptable within publicly funded events.

            2) Pederasty and, more particularly, pedophilia are antisocial behaviors in that they have negative effects on a youth or child, who is therefore victimized. This is why they are criminalized. Normal homosexual behavior occurs between consenting adults and is therefore “victimless.” Hence it is not a crime. In the opinion of many (now the majority in the US,) homosexual behavior is not immoral. In fact, many people consider virulent expressions of animosity toward homosexuals and efforts to shame them back “into the closet” to be far more immoral, antisocial and hurtful than homosexual behavior itself. Such behavior has affected the mental and social health of gays over the years and has driven gay teens to self-loathing and suicide. Studies show better psychological and social outcomes for gays when they are accepted and fully integrated into society (as Pope Francis has said they should be.) There will likely come a time when gays don’t need a St. Patrick’s Day parade in order to feel included in society at large. Until then, I don’t begrudge them their efforts to help others born into this orientation to find acceptance and freedom from persecution and discrimination.

            • Daniel P

              This is a lesson in the use of qualifiers: “are not widely accepted”, “in the opinion of many”, “many people consider”. Is morality a matter of popular vote?

              • M

                No, of course morality is not a matter of popular vote. Of course, there are many different “moralities.” Pope Francis would probably find Dolan’s stance moral (inclusion over condemnation, even when he doesn’t support homosexual acts,) while some here find it deeply immoral. In my response to TommyD6of`11, I tried to point out that current social mores determine what will or won’t be covered on the public dime (this is a practical matter and independent of true morality — “current social mores” once accepted slavery, even within the Church.) I then explained why I don’t think pedophilia and homosexuality belong in the same ethical category. The latter involves individual moral thinking independent of public opinion.

                • ForChristAlone

                  I think your time here is up. This is a site for orthodox Catholic laymen and women. You have expressed your opinion and have cast your ballot with sin. We get the point. Now it’s time for you to leave. It is frankly impossible to dialogue with someone who is advocating for sin and, it is best that we here just pray for your immortal soul.

                  • M

                    So you’re more Catholic than either Cardinal Dogan or Pope Francis? You’re so pure of soul that you must live in a rarefied atmosphere untroubled by lesser mortals? I wish you only happiness, but I personally don’t think my immortal soul is blemished by advocating for decency toward gays and acceptance of them as people. I don’t judge their sexuality, but I do think it’s wrong to discriminate against them.

                    • ForChristAlone

                      #1 What I am saying is that endless back and forth about sin is fraught with danger. It’s now time to get out of the cesspool.

                      #2 “I don’t judge their sexuality” When it comes to avowed honosexuality and trying to normalize same, I do judge it and you’d be wise to do the same.

            • Tony

              Not true. Gay men go farther and farther into the bizarre, precisely in those places where they have free rein. As human beings, they ARE accepted, but as engaging in sodomy, not quite so much. The actions are unnatural, and it is AS UNNATURAL that they are embraced. THEY call themselves queer, now — why? If you go to medical school, you’ll have to be briefed on all the bizarre things that gay men do, so as to be able to treat them for the bizarre diseases they catch. It’s a perversion of manhood and is felt and celebrated as such; and when the first perversion no longer provides that tang of excitement in what is foul or bizarre, you have to go farther to acquire it. The same is true of people hooked on porn — and, by the way, porn is ubiquitous among gay men. Not just common, but ubiquitous.

              But the diabolical trick here is to focus on one form of sexual sin, and not to notice that the WHOLE SEXUAL REVOLUTION is at issue. You cannot smile at sodomy and affirm with a straight face that boys and girls and lads and lasses need to keep themselves chaste before marriage. The game’s up.

              • M

                Well, that’s one opinion. If your concern is for diseases amongst gays, note that an increase in tolerance of homosexuality is accompanied by a significant reduction in rates of HIV, as well as with decreased rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide amongst gays. A 2013 study shows that US states that allowed same sex marriage had lower divorce rates (by 20%!) than states that only allowed male-female unions. Similar studies in Canada support this finding. Realistically, SSM does not threaten traditional marriage. Perhaps less judgment and scolding from Catholics and more engagement, acceptance and pastoral care would encourage ALL people to consider Church teachings. Spiritual wounding and shaming that drives people away from the Church is a form of bullying and of spiritual abuse.

                • Tony

                  Excuse me, but this is a phony use of statistics. I have seen studies elsewhere that suggest that the deterioration of marriage proceeds apace after same-sex pseudogamy is recognized. The threat is really very simple. Same-sex pseudogamy enshrines forever all of the miserific tenets and habits of the sexual revolution. It says that men are not for women and women are not for men; and it raises sexual gratification to the summum bonum, the one thing in this world that must never be compromised. As I have said, it makes not the slightest sense in the world to believe that boys and girls should wait until marriage, but that boys and boys or girls and girls can go to it. It makes complete nonsense of the words of Jesus regarding divorce, locating the good of sexual being in the creation of man and woman before the Fall. A fortiori, if sodomy is permissible, don’t even talk about fornication, divorce, “open” adultery, porn, and so forth.

                  This is the sort of upheaval whose effect needs to be measured over generations. When no-fault divorce became the norm for the land, wives didn’t all at once feel themselves less attached to their husbands. That is not how such things work.

                  The HIV rates have been trending downward for a long time now, because of better medical care.

                  Anyway, EVERYBODY’s welfare needs to be considered. The common good; the right of children to have both a mother and a father; the innocence of children; the purity of young people before marriage; the indissolubility of marriage; the cleaning up of the popular culture … What to do about those few people with the moral disorder of same-sex attraction is just one question within the whole constellation of problems.

                  You cannot be a father of a young son. Our children are being fairly bombarded with pro-gay propaganda and encouragement in deviance. No father of a son has ever been able to look me in the eye, without a woman present, and say that he would not do all he could to make sure that his son grew up healthy and normal and attracted to girls. He has a right to expect that the rest of us will not put obstacles in his path.

                  • M

                    Yes, I’m sure “you’ve seen studies elsewhere,” but I doubt they are scientific because your arguments are more emotional than scientific. And what if a boy or girl, say one of our own children, through no choice of his or her own does grow up to be gay? What then? Are we to let them know how very disappointed in them we are? Do we tell them to stop being gay? There are many reasons why these fathers of sons may feel the way you believe they feel, and these reasons may range from simple bigotry to knowing that a gay son or daughter is likely to be bullied and reviled. Whatever the fathers’ motives, this argument doesn’t touch on how gays should be treated. What would you do if you had a gay son or daughter? I would love and support him or her no less. I would try to understand his or her loves and longings with sympathy and without condemnation. “You cannot be the father of a young son?” How absurd. Is your fear that a boy will “catch teh gay” by contact? Give kids some credit for being able to figure out their own sexual orientations. I have a teen son. I can assure you that his own sexuality is completely unaffected by the fact that he has both straight and gay friends.

              • Daniel P

                “But the diabolical trick here is to focus on one form of sexual sin, and not to notice that the WHOLE SEXUAL REVOLUTION is at issue.”

                Yes. And that’s why we need to make absolutely sure that we attack the right enemy: the powers and principalities of this present darkness. Concern must always be made that we do not pick out one kind of sinner and castigate them, even as concern must be shown that we do not pick out one kind of sinner and excuse them.

                That’s why I sometimes get discouraged by the rhetoric I hear from Catholics. They don’t clarify that the enemy is not the individual sinner, much less the individual temptation. I know for a fact that people get caught in the crossfire here; they learn to hide their sin (from mercy) at a very young age, because of all the Church condemnation surrounding it. The solution is better Catechesis — but Christians speaking with more nuance would help, too.

                • ForChristAlone

                  How is it that when it came to matters of sin Christ wasn’t nuanced at all?

                  • Daniel P

                    That’s not true. Jesus sometime spoke sharply against sin and sometimes softly. There is a time for both. At all times, the goal is to witness to truth and to convert the sinner. Emphasizing one particular sin to the exclusion of others doesn’t do that — though sometimes it can be necessary, in order to stem the bleeding. All the more reason to clarify, though (as Esolen does above), that all have sinned and fallen short of the gospel.

                • Tony

                  Pardon me, but where have you been? Have you troubled to read the articles we have been writing for years, here, about the whole sexual revolution, and the unhappiness that it has brought? Have you read the article here about the wonderful film that Courage has made?

                  As for nuance — NOT when people are installing “gay” curricula in the schools, excuse me. Where’s the nuance from the other side? THEY know they are in the midst of a battle royal, and they aim to win it. Pay attention to what they say to one another. I am speaking of the activists here, because they are the ones driving the issues.

                  • Daniel P

                    The culture war invades every house, but not every house contains parents that understand how their words might be mistaken. Thus, as I was growing up, I heard tons of words spoken harshly about the priest scandal, which my family and friends blamed on gay people. That wouldn’t have been a problem, except that I experienced same-sex attraction, and so I thought of myself as “gay”. So every word they said made me feel, essentially, accursed.

                    I’m sure my parents didn’t want me to feel that way; they would have done anything to help me out of that rut and get me help. But you see, they didn’t do anything — except talk about the culture war, which made things worse (in this one context). In my eyes, I was prone to the one unforgivable sin — one that no one in the Church talked about, except in vociferous condemnation.

                    So yes, I CERTAINLY appreciate the emphasis Christians like yourself have placed on things like Desire of the Everlasting Hills. I saw it first at the Courage conference, and hoped against hope it would get publicity. It made my day when I saw that you had put your name behind it. But I’m afraid that many, many parents just enjoying tearing gays to shreds in the culture wars, which makes their same-sex attracted kids more isolated and less likely to seek help (or more likely to seek it in the gay community).

                    I am also concerned — especially in the comboxes, but elsewhere too — that a movement of tremendous potential is being dismissed, sometimes quite rudely. This is what Ruse calls the “New Homophiles”, and others call “Spiritual Friendship.” Now, I am the first to admit that there is some questionable theology I’ve sometimes seen by authors under that umbrella. But I’ve seen conservatives who completely fail to distinguish them from people who support homosexual activity, people who say that anyone who calls themselves “gay” is just firmly committed to sin.

                    That’s not helpful. It makes these people feel more attacked, attacked for their “sexuality”. Of course, they need to be attacked, but not like this. What they need isn’t bombings from afar, but close godly relationships where they experience targeted criticisms of distorted understandings. If they do get attacked for their “sexuality”, then let it be by friends, not by strangers who lump them in with hedonists and perverts. Courage has a much better line, a line that discourages people from self-identifying as gay, but does not talk about that as an issue of sin.

                  • Daniel P

                    The bombing/targeted warfare metaphor is actually exactly what I want to express. In a just war, the just partisan is at a disadvantage, because he refuses to act in ways that lead to widespread collateral damage. The unjust partisan will bomb anywhere, anytime, in order to win. We must be just, and trust the victory to God, not to bombings that incur unintended casualties.

            • ForChristAlone

              “Pederasty and pedophilia are not widely accepted within the mores of our time. Hence expressions of these orientations are not acceptable within publicly funded events.”

              Give it time. There are no limits to what people can learn to accept. It didn’t take long for the average German on the street to go along with murdering Jews. It hasn’t taken a great deal of brainwashing to get the women in this country to kill their own unborn children to the tune of 55, 000, 000 lives.

            • TommyD6of11

              M,

              Great sophistry but naive.

              There are already groups working to make pederasty acceptible.

              The free love without constraint crowd will likewise demand that pederasty love be accepted in the name of love. They will likewise claim that the psychological damage done by the unenlightened ones does far more damage and is immoral.

              Suicides, gay rape, domestic violence among gay lovers, child molestation, psychological damage has dramatically increased, not decreased, with the normalization of homosexuality.

              As much as you may wish to believe otherwise, these pathologies have nothing to do with lack of acceptance and everything to do with the homosexual lifestyle.

            • Trazymarch

              “1) Pederasty and pedophilia are not widely accepted within the mores of
              our time. Hence expressions of these orientations are not acceptable
              within publicly funded events.” My guess what you really meant: Society isn’t “ready” for accepting pedophilia yet so it needs more social engineering before massive media offensive for “tolerance” for them. Also: Zoophiles gonna be next. They are way more discriminated than gays et consortes and because of that they need emancipation.

            • FW Ken

              There is no evidence that same-sex is inborn. Even if it were, so what? There are lots of birth defects we don’t call normal.

            • TommyD6of11

              M,
              Homosexuality too was once “not widely accepted within the mores of our time”.

              You just watch. Pedophilia will be the next great Progressive cause.

              And, all those who object will be called Haters and Pedophilic-Phobic.

        • Daniel P

          No one is saying that the Church should outlaw or attack the parade. They are saying that a prince of the Church shouldn’t lead the parade. Again, I don’t know that I feel confident criticizing Dolan here — but I know that your arguments don’t do anything to convince me to support Dolan. You say that we should tolerate the mores of our time, but that is irrelevant. The question here is whether we should *endorse* those mores.

          I agree completely that we should provide better pastoral support for gay people, and that we should not discriminate against them. But I think you’re naive if you think the organizers of the parade would even CONSIDER, in a million years, allowing a chaste gay group to march. They won’t allow a pro-life group to march. So who’s discriminating? All this makes me wonder if the people who say this is just the cardinal bowing to political pressure aren’t right.

          • M

            Daniel, I certainly think a pro-life group should be allowed to participate in the parade. My understanding (which may be wrong) is that no pro-life group was specifically banned — it is just that none was invited to join. The rule change that allowed gays to participate is worded in such a way that it should allow pro-lifers to participate.

            I don’t think Dolan’s participation can necessarily be seen as endorsing homosexuality. He’s affirmed Church teachings on that issue. I think he’s probably endorsing refusal to discriminate. I think he, like Pope Francis, probably wants to express some sort of acceptance of Irish-Catholic homosexuals (or homosexuals in general) within a “bigger tent” church, as in “I don’t think this is right, but I love and accept you anyway, I won’t discriminate against you in any way, and I want you to feel welcome to come to Mass.”

            • Daniel P

              I think you’re right about Dolan’s conscious motives. And I’d love it if such a strategy worked. But I don’t have nearly the confidence in Dolan that I have in Pope Francis, and I’m concerned that this action might just make everyone on both sides upset, without pointing in the direction of healing at all.

            • ForChristAlone

              You write, M: “acceptance of Irish-Catholic homosexuals (or homosexuals in general) within a “bigger tent” church, as in “I don’t think this is right, but I love and accept you anyway”:

              So let’s then not discriminate. Let’s send out the call for acceptance to all “fornicators, embezzlers, porn stars, thieves, wife-beaters, rumor-mongers, liars, adulterers, sodomites, or any other sinners who want their sins, and not their souls, to be blessed” and I would add, the child molesters. In fact, why doesn’t Cardinal Dolan request a float for all those priests/ former priests who were accused and found guilty of sodomizing pubescent boys in their parishes? Now THAT would make for an interesting float. Why are gays getting preferential treatment? Let’s be all-inclusive.

              Why are we playing favorites with the sodomites?

              • M

                Are lesbians “sodomites” too? What about straight couples that have anal sex? As I understand it, from the few gay couples I know, companionship rather than sex of any kind is the basis of their relationships. I’ve explained what I see as the difference between “accepting” in the sense of “endorsing” and “acceptance” of gays as people, which is “tolerance.” You want to place consensual, adult homosexual relationships in the same moral category as abuse. That is your choice, but I find that it indicates extreme prejudice against gays. Why place loving, respectful homosexuals who would never hurt a fly in the same category as child abusers? Even the Holy Father has said of gays “Who am I to judge?”

                • Daniel P

                  ‘Even the Holy Father has said of gays “Who am I to judge?” ‘

                  He said that about gay priests who were seeking to live celibate lives. Just to clarify.

                • ForChristAlone

                  Think what you will. Only prayer and God’s grace will be able to penetrate your confusion. You, yourself, should pray for moral clarity and a conscience informed by Christ’s Catholic Church. God bless you. I love you.

        • ForChristAlone

          Evidence here of “The Bergolio Effect”

          Relativism at its worst.

        • FW Ken

          Chaste and uncharted gay folks have always marched. The issue is what Pope Francis decries as a “lobby”.

          You are floating among definitions of “gay”. Attraction? Behavior? Social identity?

          • GG

            The group is clearly a lobby.

        • DE-173

          “In a publicly funded event, it’s only fair that much of what we tolerate should be determined by the mores of our time, not by the mores of a minority”
          As determined by M, the Reichminister for culture.

    • Tony

      Excuse me, but the question has to do with the Cardinal, and not, in this essay, with the city. The Cardinal is heading a parade which includes a float that celebrates a mortal sin. It belongs in the same category with ANY FLOAT CELEBRATING A MORTAL SIN. IT SHOULD NOT MATTER TO THE CARDINAL WHAT THAT MORTAL SIN IS. And why not Fornicators for Freedom, eh? Or Porn Again Christians? A prig, eh? Tell me — is somebody who says that sex is for marriage also a prig? Marriage, period? Was then the whole nation stuffed full of prigs until the sexual revolution?

      I put the sins together because of the principle. If Cardinal Dolan does not believe that sodomy is mortally sinful, then he should resign his post. If he does believe it, I do not see how he can head that parade. He would not head a parade with a float celebrating the other sins I have mentioned.

      But you are arguing in bad faith. You do not accept the premise, which is that sodomy is evil. That is not a case of bigotry, unless you happen to call bigotry “that which I do not believe.” The Church argues that all sexual activity that is divorced by nature from the possibility of childbirth is disordered, and sometimes mortally so. Argue against that; but that’s a separate issue.

      • M

        I am sure Cardinal Dolan’s conscience is sufficiently well-informed to enable him to make a sincere and well-considered decision. The situation is highly nuanced and not all Catholics are required to view it as you do. The difference between a prig and a wise teacher is that the prig volubly judges and harshly condemns others and presumes to know both the state of their souls and the final destinations thereof. It is up to God, who knows all and sees all, to determine whether the Cardinal is in error. In the meantime, we should avoid being judgmental and painting with too broad a brush. As Pope Francis said in a recent letter to a group of bishops, “I also beg you to not let yourselves be deceived by the temptation to change the people. Love the people that God has given you, even when they will have committed great sins.” Being with people, loving them, treating them with acceptance and respect, is a far greater thing than ostracizing and judging them and is ultimately far more transformational.

        • ForChristAlone

          “I am sure Cardinal Dolan’s conscience is sufficiently well-informed to enable him to make a sincere and well-considered decision. ”

          A seemingly unwarranted assumption based on the fruits of his “conscience”

        • DE-173

          “The situation is highly nuanced”
          That’s a laughable evasion.

  • TajMahony

    Anthony forgot to mention floats for NAMBLA and the Greater Milwaukee Catholic Cemetery Fund.

    • TajMahony

      Forgot the Irish ISIS Brigade of NY.

  • RodTreat

    This is precisely what Dolan, had he the wisdom and strength of character to do so, should’ve said in response to the gay marchers being allowed to march in the NYC St. Patrick’s Day parade.

  • pj_houston

    reading
    From a sermon On Pastors by Saint Augustine, bishop
    Prepare your soul for temptation

    You have already been told about the wicked things shepherds desire. Let us now consider what they neglect. You have failed to strengthen what was weak, to heal what was sick, and to bind up what was injured, that is, what was broken. You did not call back the straying sheep, nor seek out the lost. What was strong you have destroyed. Yes, you have cut it down and killed it. The sheep is weak, that is to say, its heart is weak, and so, incautious and unprepared, it may give in to temptations.

    The negligent shepherd fails to say to the believer: My son, come to the service of God, stand fast in fear and in righteousness, and prepare your soul for temptation. A shepherd who does say this strengthens the one who is weak and makes him strong. Such a believer will then not hope for the prosperity of this world. For if he has been taught to hope for worldly gain, he will be corrupted by prosperity. When adversity comes, he will be wounded or perhaps destroyed.

    The builder who builds in such manner is not building the believer on a rock but upon sand. But the rock was Christ. Christians must imitate Christ’s sufferings, not set their hearts on pleasures. He who is weak will be strengthened when told: “Yes, expect the temptations of this world, but the Lord will deliver you from them all if your heart has not abandoned him. For it was to strengthen your heart that he came to suffer and die, came to be spit upon and crowned with thorns, came to be accused of shameful things, yes, came to be fastened to the wood of the cross. All these things he did for you, and you did nothing. He did them not for himself, but for you.”

    But what sort of shepherds are they who for fear of giving offense not only fail to prepare the sheep for the temptations that threaten, but even promise them worldly happiness? God himself made no such promise to this world. On the contrary, God foretold hardship upon hardship in this world until the end of time. And you want the Christian to be exempt from these troubles? Precisely because he is a Christian, he is destined to suffer more in this world.

    For the Apostle says, All who desire to live a holy life in Christ will suffer persecution. But you, shepherd, seek what is yours and not what is Christ’s, you disregard what the Apostle says: All who want to live a holy life in Christ will suffer persecution. You say instead: “If you live a holy life in Christ, all good things will be yours in abundance. If you do not have children, you will embrace and nourish all men, and none of them shall die.” Is this the way you build up the believer? Take note of what you are doing and where you are placing him. You have built him on sand. The rains will come, the river will overflow and rush in, the winds will blow, and the elements will dash against that house of yours. It will fall, and its ruin will be great.

    Lift him up from the sand and put him on the rock. Let him be in Christ, if you wish him to be a Christian. Let him turn his thoughts to sufferings, however unworthy they may be in comparison to Christ’s. Let him center his attention on Christ, who was without sin, and yet made restitution for what he had not done. Let him consider Scripture, which says to him: He chastises every son whom he acknowledges. Let him prepare to be chastised, or else not seek to be acknowledged as a son.

    • pj_houston

      The above reading was from today’s Office, St. Augustine might has well been directly addressing Cardinal Dolan.

  • Too right you are about wanting sins to be blessed – it would be just as wrong to ban gays from marching in the parade to honor a saint (who also sinned) as it is to let them have a float that celebrates sinfulness.

  • Rosemary58

    The group in question is much too clever to assign rights to immoral activity, so wife or husband beaters would not be welcome. But if the wife/child/husband beater “identified” as such, that would be alright.

    What is interesting is that persons who identify themselves as gay are saying…what? Are they saying that they want everyone to know that they identify themselves with those who engage in aberrant sexual behavior? Certainly if gays can march, so can wife beaters, etc. but at the risk of ratifying that behavior.

    When we identify ourselves, we are saying that that identity encompasses what it signifies. Someone who identifies themselves with anything takes on what that identity means. Since there is no evidence of a gay gene, the identity as such is superficial and not biological; therefore, Dolan is endorsing persons who seek validation for their identity and what that identity means.

  • Josephine Harkay

    Let’s go to the top and ask Pope Francis to intervene. I will write to him. His address can be found on the Internet.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Please contact Cardinal Dolan directly with your concerns.

    communications@archny.org

  • Tim

    The use of contraceptives, abortions, homosexual acts have been legalized on the basis
    of the person’s right to privacy. This is from an 88 year old Catholic who has seen it all!
    e.g. My first exposure to “smut” was on the filling station men’s wall. Think of the many
    avenues of entertainment that are replacing that wall.
    I really wish that the homosexuals would give us the “right to privacy”!

  • Gallibus

    The Cardinal’s stance says more for his ‘innocence’ than his powers of discernment. He is incredibly naive and has clearly bought the big lie about homosexuality hook, line and sinker.

  • Mook

    If you read the Confession of St. Patrick he was a slave in Ireland. He escaped and went to board a ship to freedom to his native land. In spite of his great desire to leave and be reunited with his family he refused to board the ship when he was asked by the sailors to suck the nipples of the captain. This was done to see the captain as the provider of life like a mother suckles her child. It seems like a sort of homosexual thing to do. St. Patrick refused based on his Christian sensibilities. It seems this Saint had a brush with homosexuality and refused it in spite of pressure to accept it. In the end St. Patrick was allowed on board and respected for his Faith.

    Maybe if the parade were more about honoring this GREAT Saint and less about Irish heritage there would be more adherence to Catholic ideals. The drunkenness and overindulgence that takes place on this Saint’s day is equally a mortal sin as homosexuality. Let’s pray for the cleaning up of the whole parade.

    St. Patrick, pray for us!

  • TobiasRaphael1

    It is really about contraception and all its evil forms.
    As God revealed by His angel Raphael in the book of Tobias, those who shut out children from the pro-creative act, they are the one’s that the devil has power over!

  • Luz Mina

    Thank you Mr Esolen, for writing this great article. The real point is that although we are all sinners the only banner that we should carry is that of the cross. Our identity is not based on our preferences or attractions, our identity is based on the fact that we are children of God. The moment we carry a banner identifying ourselves as proud liars or robbers we are celebrating sin and offending our Good Lord Jesus Christ. Let us pray for Cardinal Dolan

    • Howard

      That’s not entirely true. That is, we can still identify as members of one group or another as long as each group supports the Church (which is the point of a parade in honor of a saint) in its own way. So there is no problem with the Knights of Columbus marching as such, or a women’s guild, or a Catholic high school, or even Catholic firemen or veterans. In the Middle Ages, trade guilds would have participated.

      • ForChristAlone

        No identity accrues to one passions – disordered or not. What what you say is not only not entirely true – it is completely false.

        • Howard

          This is the first time I’ve heard membership in the Knights of Columbus described as a “passion”. Sadly, it simply shows that you do not know what the word means.

          • ForChristAlone

            Don’t try to lay claim that homosexuals can be equated with the KofC.

            • Howard

              Oddly enough, I never said that. If you had read what I wrote, you might know that. I said nothing whatsoever about sodomites. What I denied is that in becoming Christians, we lose our individuality, so that “the only banner that we should carry is that of the cross”. Christian parades have always understood that — hence the reference to the Medieval guilds. In fact, there is more truth in saying that the more we follow Christ, the more we become distinctively ourselves — the more REAL we become. The distinction between one person and another does not melt away, which is one reason we have so many liturgical rites and religious orders and also one reason why St. John saw “a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues”.

              You assumed that because I could not completely agree with Luz Mina, I must be agreeing with the “gay rights” activists. You might as well accuse me of agreeing with Arius on the basis of my disagreement with Sabellius. Sorry, but the false dilemma is entirely your creation.

              • ForChristAlone

                I apologize for incorrectly reading you.

  • Martha Patton

    Perfect commentary on this very imperfect parade inclusion!

  • Ezra Pound

    The article is weak and not “artful” precisely because the author does not come right out and tell people the basic facts. You should always let your responses be, “yes, yes, or no, no,” and stop equivocating like the Modernists in the Church. Stop playing games, come right out and say it: Cardinal Dolan should resign as grand marshal of the parade, and hold prayers of exorcism for the parade at St. Pat’s Cathedral that day, and call upon all faithful Catholics in America to join him in solidarity to say those prayers. Otherwise, it is grossly scandalous and again, adds more confusion to the faithful and especially to young people. I’m no saint, I know my failings — but I also know my Catechism pretty well, and the whole event now with the cardinal as grand marshal is grossly scandalous. People need to come right out and say it and pray for Cardinal Dolan to change his mind and step away from the parade.

    • If Professor Esolen solely wrote opinion pieces in the style usually found in the NY Times, I would take your point. But he does not. He wrote a well-written piece in a literary style. The fact that you know it’s about Cardinal Dolan is why it was a great article and not a weak one as you claim.

  • JimmyChonga

    Today, no doubt, the first to DISAVOW any association with this parade would be the SAINT himself. St. Patrick would demand a new name for this egregious spectacle – like “Orgy of the Obysmalytes”.

    • ubiPetrusEst

      Jimmy, given that St. Patrick would disavow this parade, please tell us, “What is an Obysmalyte”?

  • Sixtus_Maximus

    This is just complete foolishness! This is a full court press to promote Homosexuality in the Catholic Church. Destroy Catholic Families and influence innocent Catholic Children into mortal sins of Homosexuality! It’s a perversion, it’s life style is a perversed culture and Homosexuals know it. We Catholics know it is disordered and without renouncing it and converting to an ordered lifestyle they should not be allowed in the Church. Just like the experiment allowing Homosexual clergy in the Church in the 1970’s has been a complete disaster with innocent boys being raped with the wink of the Bishops. This disfigured the Catholic Church and cost the Church Billions of dollars donations from good Catholic donations. It caused Catholic churches and schools and is causing Catholics to leave the Church to Protestant sects. These are the same clergy that is telling Catholics to accept Homisexuals grandstanding with pride a banner that they are Gay. Another disaster in the making bent on destroying it’s Catholic Tradition and Teachings. This would not be happening during the Ponticate of Pop

  • Guest_august

    This is how somebody put it:
    The situation where a Catholic calls himself “Gay, but Chaste”, can
    be likened to a situation where a man puts the label of soft drink,
    TeeCola, on himself – he goes everywhere with the label, he is proud of
    the label, he guards the label jealously, he campaigns for the label, he
    is sympathetic (he says who am I to judge?) to those who drink and
    patronize of the label, he sympathizes with those who promote the label
    and if you speak against the label, he threatens to sue, in short he
    loves the label, but says the following:
    I don’t drink TeeCola.
    I don’t dream TeeCola.
    I don’t smell TeeCola.
    I don’t like TeeCola.
    I don’t taste TeeCola.
    I don’t fantasize about TeeCola.
    I don’t wish I could drink TeeCola.
    I know my Master absolutely dislikes the drinking of TeeCola, but I
    guess my Master will have to put up with seeing me with the label.
    .
    I know that those who drink TeeCola are not allowed to enter my Master’s
    presence, but I cannot just do away with the label: I love it so much.
    I know that one day everything about TeeCola will be destroyed and will pass away but still I cannot stop cuddling the label.
    .
    What would we say to such Catholic?
    If you know the grave consequences of drinking TeeCola, why do you love the label so much?
    If you know that tasting even a drop of TeeCola is so deadly, why do you insist on going everywhere with the label?
    If you know the drink TeeCola is so poisonous, why do you move around with the label?
    .
    The person may say, “I did not choose the label. It just came to me.”
    The question is: how did it come to you, even if granted you did not choose it?
    The answer is: it came to you because of a fallen human nature, living in a fallen world, constantly harassed by fallen angels.
    Therefore we urge you not to fall into the same trap as Adam, who
    instead of acknowledging and apologizing for his sins, rather sought to
    get God to share in the blame for his sins.
    God does not create anybody to be tempted to have sex with someone of the same gender.
    We insist that those using the label, and those actually drinking the
    TeeCola, are all in the same boat of patronizing the same product; of
    advertizing it; of maintaining its visibility; of improving its market
    value.

  • Mike

    I suspect the author and all other Mass attending Catholics say this each week: “I believe on One, Holy, and APOSTOLIC Church.” But, do we really believe it. Sure, you can disagree with a bishop or cardinal on many issues. We can hold them accountable to errors in their human nature, but at same tine, if we truly believe this part of a The Creed then we are saying we acknowledge in a mystical way the charism of the bishops who are successors to the Apostles who were taught and consecrated by Jesus Himself. I offer great deference and obedience to these men. Yes, hold them to task in any clear moments of error in faith, but otherwise I will remain silent.

    • GG

      Clericalism is a sin.

      • Mike

        Can you be a bit more specific? I don’t think I suggested clericalism at all when referring the Creed

        • ajo, the sinner

          It is a good thing the holy women did not follow the first bishops when all but St. John ran away from the Way, the Truth and the Life at the beginning of his passion. Compromise with the world is the broad road to hell. We need our bishops to lead us to God not towards hell and the activities evangelized by hell.
          To your point about the Nicean Creed, we believe in “One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” but not in apostates or in scandal or errant teachings from prelates in the church. This Creed itself was in response to the rampant error amongst prelates in the church promoting the heresy of arianism.
          The old quote attributed to both St. Athanasius and St. John Chrysostum, paraphrased “the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops”, would be well remembered by the bishops of Christ’s church these days. Vivat Cor Jesu, Per Cor Mariae

          • Mike

            So what is the errant teaching that Cardinal Dolan is being accused of hear? Further are you suggesting he is an apostate?

    • Guest_august

      Our Lord himself told us to beware of false prophets who come as wolves in sheep’s clothing. Who do you think he was referring to?
      .
      Silence? Again?! I thought that was what got the RCC into the terrible scandal of child-sex abuse.
      Silence? NON! NO! Not now. Not ever again.

    • ForChristAlone

      Check out the Office of Readings for this week and last and become informed about what St Augustine (himself a bishop), Doctor of the Church, has to say about derelict shepherds. But then, again, you’re not Augustine so perhaps it is better for you to remain silent.

      • Mike

        Said with so much charity. Peace

      • Mike

        So Cardinal Dolan is a “derelict” shepherd? Perhaps you should read what St. Ignatius wrote about the role of bishops and how there should be great deference to them not because of tegu themselves as men, but who they represent and where they came from.

        “It is becoming, therefore, that ye also should be obedient to your bishop, and contradict him in nothing; for it is a fearful thing to contradict any such person. For no one does [by such conduct] deceive him that is visible, but does [in reality] seek to mock Him that is invisible, who, however, cannot be mocked by any one. And every such act has respect not to man, but to God.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Magnesians; Ch 3)

        Now unlike your uncharitable admonish to me I don’t suggest you be silent, but rather continue to explore how we as faithful Catholics balance our call to be apostolic and provide fraternal correction. Peace

        • John Albertson

          Consider St. Thomas Aquinas (STh II.II 33) who commends the correction of wayward bishops, albeit with charity:

          “To withstand anyone in public exceeds the mode of fraternal correction, and so Paul would not have withstood Peter then, unless he were in some way his equal as regards the defense of the faith. But one who is not an equal can reprove privately and respectfully. Hence the Apostle in writing to the Colossians (4:17) tells them to admonish their prelate: “Say to Archippus: Fulfil thy ministry [Vulgate: ‘Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.’ Cf. 2 Timothy 4:5.” It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly. Hence Paul, who was Peter’s subject, rebuked him in public, on account of the imminent danger of scandal concerning faith, and, as the gloss ofAugustine says on Galatians 2:11, “Peter gave an example to superiors, that if at any time they should happen to stray from the straight path, they should not disdain to be reproved by their subjects.”

  • But he hasn’t done that

    Entertaining the occasion to sin is a sin.

    Refusing to acknowledge a sin is also a sin. If homosexual indulgence is okay, then why not everyone else’s? With such pastors soon there will be no Church.

    The Cardinal apologizes to those of us he may have offended by including this group but he hasn’t offended us, he is misleading us. If he wanted to make good with the Lord and the homosexual community, he would speak of the great mercy and love of God which He wishes to share with anyone who sincerely attempts to overcome and endure themselves, who stops pretending they’re not human and accepts the tender love of God.

  • Deb Daily

    Hum, I dont want to bless your sin I want to bless your soul. Makes perfect sense to me!

  • Tantem Ergo

    This is by far one of the sanest and most articulate article on this sad topic. As a freelance writer who knows the difficulty of word craft, I am grateful and inspired.

  • henery

    i wish the good ST.Patrick would cast out that dolan snake…..

  • Joellen

    Thank you for hitting back at Dolan’s muddy response with clarity and common sense. I pray Dolan reads your articulate response as to why we don’t parade our sins with pride, but we do give homage to those whose life has been led to destroy sin.

  • John

    Well done! But that this clarity was prevalent!

  • Blobee

    I know, I know. But hard as we try, we just can’t seem to get this point across to those who call us bigots. They shout out over our words with fingers in their ears, yelling, “Bigot! Hater.” Whaddaya gonna do?

  • DerekDuckDisQus

    World Vision temporarily changed its policy, then changed it back, perhaps Cardinal Dolan and the powers-that-be that manage the parade participants could conserve their historic stance; that would be courageous.

  • cestusdei

    The Cardinal has made a big mistake. He and all of us will pay for it soon enough.

  • John Albertson

    May I quote:

    On September 17, Dolan said, in part:

    “I did not oppose the former policy; nor did I push, condone, or oppose the new one.”

    Spoken with the mind of a true politician! He supports the former
    policy, yet neither opposes nor condones the new one. Since the two
    policies are contradictory regarding an important moral issue, it is
    difficult to explain how a leading church figure can remain neutral on
    the subject. Perhaps Dolan has been taking lessons in logic and public
    speaking from Secretary of State John Kerry, who was once famously
    quoted, while he was a senator, as saying that he “actually did vote for
    the $87 billion before I voted against it.”

  • Dismayed

    MT 9:9, “Follow me” seems to have a whole new interpretation today, giving the Whore of Babylon reason to blush.

  • proud

    yes, this analysis of the parade situation nails it perfectly….we are all sinners, we simply should not promote our sins as our identity…Heck in most cities same sex attracted persons already get their own march, its call the gay pride parade. Do they need to promote their absurd reduction of identity in every parade??

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