Obama’s Immigration Decree

President Barack Obama’s reaction to the shellacking he and his policies received from the American people in the midterm elections surprised no one in its stubborn petulance. Along with some eye rolling and clearly perfunctory statements about how he would “cooperate” with the new Republican majority, President Obama made clear that he sees himself as “in charge” of the government and plans to do what he wills with important policies. On immigration in particular, the president essentially promised that he would “do what I need to do” to get the kinds of policies he wants by issuing one or more Executive Orders. On several occasions, Mr. Obama has said, in essence, “I have waited long enough for legislation I like” and so he has the right, even the duty, to act on his own through Executive Order. As Democratic flack Paul Begala said twenty years ago, “stroke of the pen, law of the land, kinda cool.”

No, not so cool. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution specifically provides that “The Congress shall have power to … establish a uniform rule of naturalization.” That is, the Constitution is crystal clear that “naturalization,” meaning the grant of citizenship to those coming into a country, belongs to Congress. The path to citizenship is a matter of law, not executive discretion. This means that the elements of citizenship, including lawful residency, also are matters of law, not executive discretion.

Executive Orders have been around as long as our Republic. But until recently American presidents understood that their purpose was to organize the executive branch, period. Their purpose is to help presidents coordinate internal policies only. So, an Executive Order that says “hire and promote for service in federal agencies without regard to race” is a proper Executive Order. On the other hand, an Executive Order that says, “do not deport illegal immigrants” is not proper; it is an order to disobey properly promulgated laws regarding immigration, seeking to place the president above the law, and with it the Constitution.

One might think these points obvious, unless one had observed the Obama Administration’s conduct in regard to immigration over the course of its lifetime. Persistent refusal to enforce clear statutes such as that demanding deportation of those entering the country illegally (including the flood of children sent here in hopes that the United States would simply accept, care for, and raise them) has been this president’s consistent policy. It is a policy in defiance of both law and common sense.

There is no more basic duty of a government than that of protecting its borders. And the promised Executive Order, universally assumed to entail amnesty and residency status for millions of people who entered our country illegally, intentionally undermines this most basic duty. It also sets up the president as a grand legislator, able to make law for the nation in defiance of the national legislature.

Our immigration policies are clearly broken, unfair, and harmful to the national interest. They are also harmful to the interests of those who are entering this country, for they promise them a life the laws and the realities of economic and social life will not allow. Those who believe that migrant workers’ camps, filled with families, including children living with poverty, disease, and a total lack of educational opportunities are a thing of the past are fooling themselves. Such camps are all over rural America, and they are being built, all but literally, by our current immigration policies—policies yet another “amnesty” will continue far into the future.

Current policies turn a blind eye to illegal immigration and to the employment of illegal immigrants. In practice, they provide for deportation of immigrants only if they cause too much trouble and leave determination of who is “too much trouble” to powerful economic actors and an overburdened criminal justice system. They foster contempt for law among many immigrants, fear of the law among most immigrants, and a callous misuse of the law by all too many employers who claim to be supporting American values.

Republican leaders have been making noises that President Obama will regret any unilateral action on immigration. Unfortunately, too many of them really are hoping for just this. A decree from Mr. Obama granting amnesty to illegal immigrants would give Republicans the political cover they need to allow current policies of gray-market immigration to continue. By gray-market immigration I mean our current policies, according to which immigrants are allowed to enter, provided they accept second-class status. Some may be treated as “guest workers,” maintaining agribusiness’ ability to keep them in line. But most will continue to enter illegally, hoping for an amnesty of their own down the road. In the meantime, they will serve as menial workers, doing as they are told in impoverished conditions, raising their children to see America as a land of opportunity for some, but for them a land of fear and poverty to be endured in hopes that they or their children may be granted citizenship by some distant political figure over whom they have no control.

Those waiting for amnesty should not be expected to love a system that lets them into the country then denies them the protection of its laws. It should come as no surprise, then, that illegal immigrants and the advocates claiming to speak for them, should seek to get as much out of the political system as they can. Indeed, our current immigration mess can only breed cynicism concerning the ways in which our government doles out services, social welfare funds, and even access to justice. Some may see such observations as part of a leftist critique of America but they arise from a simple determination that people should not be treated as second-rate persons; they should be either welcomed as Americans or kept out at the border. Our politicians’ refusal to make this simple choice is the root of our problem, and Republican determination to bow to those who demand cheap, gray-market labor will hurt them as much as the country as a whole. The result may well be the massive support of left-wing Democratic policies by Hispanics that left-wing Democrats have been seeking for decades, even as Republicans feared such a result without having any clue how to respond.

The proper response is simple, but unfortunately not easy given current political alliances. The answer is to stop giving amnesties, to stop allowing people to enter the country illegally and stay, and most important to stop allowing employers, and agribusiness in particular, to get away with knowingly using illegal immigrants as little more than slave laborers. Real, meaningful fines combined with real protection of our borders would allow for development of a real immigration program that would, in fact, call for hundreds of thousands of immigrants to enter our country legally to provide labor and services in an open, free economy without fear of legal reprisals and looking forward to the real chance of gaining citizenship.

The stroke of President Obama’s pen can provide none of this. One only hopes Republican leaders will look beyond the immediate interests of their well-healed supporters to a broader, fairer, more American policy on immigration.

Editor’s note: This column first appeared November 12, 2014 on Imaginative Conservative and is reprinted with permission.

Bruce Frohnen

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Bruce Frohnen is Professor of Law at the Ohio Northern University College of Law. He is also a senior fellow at the Russell Kirk Center and author of many books including The New Communitarians and the Crisis of Modern Liberalism, and the editor of Rethinking Rights (with Ken Grasso), and The American Republic: Primary Source. His most recent book (with the late George Carey) is Constitutional Morality and the Rise of Quasi-Law (Harvard, 2016).

  • s;vbkr0boc,klos;

    Dictators….dictate.

    • Only until they incarcerate and kill.

  • ROB

    A drug gang willfully evades existing border controls and sets up camp in, say, Chicago. Because the border controls were ineffective and successfully outwitted the professor requires us to “welcome them as Americans.” You gotta be a professor to reason thus.

  • joelfago

    Sooner or later this dictatorship will collapse. The sooner it is done, the less painful it will be. Republicans are not willing to threaten to shut down the government if Obama continues to act as a dictator.

    • St JD George

      Why not, I would. But then, I’m a minion people like Jonathan Gruber despise.

      • Jonathan Gruber = “the extractive elite” to apply a phrase in part attributed to his MIT colleague Daron Acemoglu.

        http://whynationsfail.com/

        • St JD George

          Looks like an excellent book. Fits right in there with the reference to “Edward Gibbons magisterial history from the 18th century, The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire”. All actions taken collectively only make sense in the context of one who deep down despises America and wants to see our stature reduced in the world – far from incompetence, the acts of one who has malice.

  • St JD George

    Wow, half way through the morning with nary a comment, I guess too radioactive a subject to touch? Channeling the inner Mel “Borders, we don’t need no stinking borders.” I could write a novel on how I feel about this man and this subject, but I won’t. Instead I’ll pray for wisdom on how to follow and interpret the 2nd greatest commandment because I’m not feeling much love.

  • Don

    It has been difficult to have a serious discussion on the merits of immigration today. The mere suggestion that changing the law may restrict entry, is immediately met with name-calling and anger. The fact is that the US presently has the most liberal immigration laws in the world – allowing about 900,000 people into the nation ever year. This has been true since the Nixon administration. As a nation, we may wish to further liberalize our laws to allow in more. Or, we may wish to restrict and limit those numbers – which necessarily means securing our borders. With a nation facing a debt of $18,000,000,000 and growing, there are serious considerations that must be made before granting all of the benefits of citizenship to large numbers of primarily low-income immigrants.

    • Jacqueleen

      The fact is that the US presently has the most liberal immigration laws
      in the world – allowing about 900,000 people into the nation ever year. THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS AND OUR LAWS DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO COME HERE….THEY BROKE THE LAW BY BREAKING INTO OUR COUNTRY BY WAY OF THE BACK DOOR. DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY HONOR OR REWARDS WHILE 92,000,000 MILLION AMERICANS ARE FORCED OUT OF THE WORK FORCE. The media covered up Ted Cruz exposing Obama’s mandate hidden in the Amnesty bill that corporations would be fined $5000 if they hire an American over an illegal! THIS ANTI-AMERICAN HAS DECLARED WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BESIDES BEING LAWLESS.

      • Don

        Respectfully, you are mistaken. US Law has allowed right at 900,000 LEGAL immigrants since the early 70s. Another 300,000 (on average) have come illegally. The debate often confuses the fact that the US is extraordinarily welcoming to immigrants through laws passed by Congress with the flagrant violations of illegal entries.

        • Don

          I should clarify – 900,000 legal immigrants annually, and 300,000 illegal annually.

        • Jacqueleen

          Have I missed something. Isn’t the Article about Obama’s lawless, hidden amnesty for not 4 or 5 million illegals but the true number is about 34 million? I REPEAT 34 MILLION. There were almost 100,000 sick children invading the border this past summer alone….I just read an article that stated the 34 million as the real number…Again, we know how Obama lies..

          • don

            Obama’s exec order is aimed at those who entered illegally. My points are: 1) the US already has very liberal and welcoming immigration laws; and 2) that a rational and serious discussion of what immigration reform should look like, is essential to our nation’s future but difficult because of the demogogary of the Left.

      • Catholic pilgrim

        Our Lord Jesus & the holy family were illegal immigrants went they fled to Egypt to escape King Herod’s wrath. Do you really think Christ would be out there protesting & shouting at immigrants (legal or otherwise)? Or would He be welcoming them with open arms & making sure that they stayed faithful to His Church once here in USA? WHY ARE YOU ALL IN CAPS? Remember, years ago in these USA, people opposed Irish, Italian, & Polish immigration simply because they came from non-English CATHOLIC countries. Ku Kluk Klan. Nativists. Know-Nothing Party. All of them hated Catholic immigrants, such an ugly history. All most of your ancestors had to do was board a ship & show up at Ellis Island with fake passports (GASP! yes, most of them had fake documents, hence, illegal) & make sure they didn’t have diseases (how hard, not really). Today (speaking as someone who came here as a Legal immigrant from Italy & Mexico but am now a Naturalized US Citizen) it’s ridiculously difficult to immigrate here legally. You end up spending $5,000 alone (per person) for legal fees. Many of your 1890s-1920s immigrant ancestors were POOR. Today, the immigration system discriminates against the POOR. I was fortunate enough to come here legally (& become citizen after countless years of wait & money), but I know many Catholics back in my homelands (Italy, Mexico) who are not as fortunate.
        .
        Also, how come many Americans seem more fired up about immigration (laws of men) than the actual injustices against God our Creator that are the abominations of Abortion & Homosexual “marriage”?

        • GG

          That is simple minded and facile. In fact, your logic was just used by a priest and president of a “Catholic” university claiming Jesus would want us to accept gay pairings.

          • Jacqueleen

            Unfortunately for Christ, Liberals have infiltrated the Hierarchy of the church…..big time! Stay faithful to Christ in the days ahead. We are living in dangerous end times….(Incredibly, the leader of our country, the fraud that he is, urged the staged protesters in Ferguson to stand firm?) One of the signs of the end times is when good is considered evil and evil is considered good. Obama should have said, we have laws that must be obeyed by you and by me! LOL
            He is the biggest law breaker of all…God help us to remove him for good!

          • It should aspire to be simple-minded and facile, I see it more as a vacant rant, replete with falsehoods.

            “Our Lord Jesus & the holy family were illegal immigrants went they fled to Egypt to escape King Herod’s wrath.”
            Really? Prove it. Otherwise, repent of your Blasphemy and false witness.

            “All most of your ancestors had to do was board a ship & show up at Ellis Island with fake passports”.

            A bold lie. One of my immigrant ancestors lived well into her 90’s, before expiring in the early 1980’s. She had, in her later years, a peculiar hobby-checking on municipal tax payment receipts due to fear of deportation (decades after being a citizen). She was a simple peasant girl, with no inclination or capacity for forgery.
            Even if I didn’t know of the accounts of people being checked for eye diseases by having their eyelids peeled back with closed safety pins, among other indignities, I’d know you are lying on both counts.
            But hey, there’s no sin in defaming the dead as long as it’s in the service of confused political rant, right?
            I’d really like to defend my Grandmother’s honor in person.

            • Catholic pilgrim

              DE, Proof? Read the holy Gospel. You really think a poor foreigner Jewish family (Jesus, Mary, Joseph) had the authority of the Roman Empire (which had recently enforced a Census which made them travel all the way to Bethlehem) to embark on a journey to the land of Egypt? Remember, Romans viewed Jews from Palestine as bothersome, dumb non-citizen foreigners. Our Lord Jesus who is the eternal Word & Son of God (who was there when the Divine Law was instituted & applied to the Universe/creation) was apparently accused of having violated many of the laws of men (which is why they sent Him to the court of Roman Gov. Pilate, I’m assuming, but apparently I’m to facile & simpleton to know anyway). When the laws of men (which Immigration laws are 100% laws of men & arbitrary) Violate the Divine Law of God (of which the highest is to “love God with everything, love neighbor”), we as Christians & human beings (which would include the spotless Mother of God, which I would suffer & die to defend her holy name from mockery) can actually violate the laws of men (if & only when they conflict with the supreme Divine Law). St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine of Hippo, & others make clear of this dinstinction. If the laws of men are in compliance with the Divine Law, we have no right to defy them. If they are not, in many circumstances, we must defy them.
              .
              When evil King Henry VIII legally declare himself Pope (& that all British subjects- especially those who worked for the Crown- must accept this to remain legal) & made the Catholic Church illegal (hence, criminal), St. Thomas More (who refused to acknowledge this) & the Recusant Catholic priests (running around in England & Wales) used civilly disobeyed the laws of men (because they violated the Divine Law). Or should we blindly follow men’s law? The Church is following Abraham, our Lord Christ, & His holy Apostles when they urge us to welcome the weary strangers. Should we welcome them & fix the broken system (which both useless Parties seem unwilling)? Or get all fired up & use illegal immigrants as scapegoats? As American Catholics in our USA Catholic parishes we should actually be working to make sure that the many immigrants (legal or illegal) who happen to be Catholic don’t lose their Catholic Faith to American Secularism, Protestantism, Mormonism & Jehovah’s “Witnesses” (like many immigrants who I know or run across to already have done).

              • I read it. Nowhere does it say they entered illegally.
                So let’s apply a little reason. So we have this young couple making a long and arduous journey while Mary was close to giving birth to comply with the census, but will then go to another country to break its laws.
                The rest of your rant borders on insanity. Why don’t you just admit you are an agent provacateur, posing as a PHO and doing a lousy job of it.

                • Catholic pilgrim

                  They complied with the Census because all conquered Roman subjects were pretty much forced to (for taxation purposes- Romans loved to tax their non-citizen, conquered subjects). They fled from their Jewish homeland because an angel of the Lord warned Joseph of King Herod’s intent to kill Jesus. How dare they (Baby Jesus, Mary & Joseph) leave the jurisdiction of their rightful King Herod who was looking for them & go to the safer, perhaps, better land of Egypt?? As an Egyptian, I say get them the heck back to their filthy Jewish country!! ALIENS! (As I recently saw your scream of ALIENS in one of your recent posts, DE.) I love my Egypt & I don’t want lazy Jewish aliens who are taking our jobs, ruining my lovely Egyptian country & causing doom upon us. Holy Family, LEAVE my country!! And go BACK where you came from! (Btw, They actually did go back after things settled down in Judea & Herod died, but thankfully not because Nativist Egyptians where screaming at them to go back.)

                  • Go get help for your hypergraphia and whatever other issues cause you to write such nonsense.

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      Sure, as soon as you get help with your self-righteousness. When you can’t find something to refute facts & arguements, resort to little clever Ad Hominem insults. Nice one, DE. Now go to Confession.

                    • “Sure, as soon as you get help with your self-righteousness.”
                      You first.

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      I have. Your turn.

                    • You may want to see if there’s a stronger treatment.

          • Catholic pilgrim

            I don’t have time to respond. So I’ll copy & paste you my response to another poster which I wish you’d answer me: If the First Amendment part about Religious Freedom is repealed in a future America, and American judges & the laws of Congress & the President & every other legal authority are forcing Catholic Priests to perform Homosexual “marriage” ceremonies (or they’re breaking the law, hence, being criminals), should the Catholic priests comply because the law says Catholic priests MUST perform Homosexual “weddings”? Well, obviously NOT! (And don’t say it can never happen. Case in point: evil King Henry VIII declaring himself Pope of England & making the Catholic Church illegal, which resulted in St. Thomas More’s martyrdom & the famous Recusant (illegal/criminal) Catholic priests running around in England & Wales.).
            You’re taking St. Paul’s quote out of context. St. Thomas Aquinas (which Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. admired) as well as St. Augustine of Hippo & other Church authorities (including St. Paul, when you actually read him in context) made clear that there is a hugely significant difference between following the Laws of men (where Christians have room for Civil disobedience) vs. the LAW of GOD (which we should never disobey). Immigration laws are 100% laws of men & arbitrary. Loving the Immigrant (our neighbor) is the Law of God (“love your God with everything, love your neighbor”) which we cannot disobey. This country has a long history of hating the Immigrant (which were usually Catholic), thereby, disobeying the supreme Law of God. KKK, Know-Nothing Party, Nativists, discrimination against Chinese, Irish Catholics, Italian/Polish Catholics, etc. We don’t need any more of that (like the people screaming at buses of immigrant children in Texas). Protestants always drag on about the whole Law VS. Grace debate (& attack Catholicism for faithfully holding to Saving Grace AND Divine Law), but suddenly Protestants (who think they’re so pro-Grace) seem to worship Law when it comes to Immigration.

            • It is laughable when somebody posts

            • John Doeman

              This is a silly post. I will address your arguments one by
              one. First, it is funny that you decry the death of religious freedom in
              America. That freedom was enshrined by our Constitution (technically an amendment to the Constitution), just like the idea of
              separation of powers. Therefore, when the President acts unconstitutionally,
              such as when he changes the immigration law (which is in the realm of
              Congressional action) he makes it more likely that a president will be able to
              unilaterally abolish our religious freedom. If you support one you support the
              other. Second, your distinction between God’s laws and man’s laws is silly.
              Traffic laws are 100% laws of men and therefore arbitrary according to you. Tax
              laws are 100% laws of men, and Jesus commanded the jews that they were to pay
              taxes to Caesar. I think you might be confused as to when it is proper to
              conscientiously object to an unjust law, such as when the Romans commanded the
              Christians to bow down and worship pagan idols with laws you disagree with. You haven’t demonstrated why
              immigration laws are equivalent to a law forcing us to commit sinful acts, you
              are just saying that people can individually decide which laws
              they will obey unless they are divine laws. I also must interject that it made
              me laugh when you wrote “St. Thomas Aquinas (who was admired by Martin Luther
              King, Jr.)” because you are just glorifying race-baiters like Martin Luther King who stirred up the
              violence by predicting it, virtually demanding it, everywhere he went. (Yes,
              that’s right, I’m not afraid to knock down one of your false idols…look it up, he said
              that unless they passed the legislation he demanded, there would be blood in
              the streets).

        • Jacqueleen

          From another Catholic….
          *Check out Romans 13:1-2, St. Paul says to honor the law of the land because all law is instituted by Christ and those who break the law are subject to His judgement!
          *Then, read Sister Ephrem’s account of her apparitions of Our Lady of America and on page 18 you will read that St. Joseph appeared to her and said simply, “Men must honor the law of the land.” These apparitions happened only a little over 50 years ago.
          *Then, Joseph Farah of World Net Daily researched the Bible and found that borders are mentioned 169 times…Now that indicates that borders, nations, sovereign-ties are important to God and very much a part of his plan.
          *Then, Popes for centuries have called SOCIALISM AN EVIL. Have you any idea why? For the simple reason that Socialism takes away a person’s dignity.
          *Then by invading a nation as the illegals have done they have broken the 7th Commandment (Thou Shalt not Steal – JOBS) and then, the 10th Commandment (Thou Shalt not Covet thy Neighbor’s goods. – The billions of American Tax Dollars paying for welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, business loans, education/translation, healthcare, etc.
          *Now the real question you should ask yourself is this, “Would Jesus hurt one group of people (92 million Americans out of the workforce losing everything they worked all their lives for!) for the sake of another group of people who left a job to come here for what the church erroneously calls “a better job!” Jesus would not hurt anyone, but Satan would..The invasion of 30 million illegals is not of God but is of SATAN and it has a lot to do with greed.

          To quote Senator Sensenbrenner from WI, “We welcome all strangers who knock at our front door but not those who break into our back door! They should face a metal barrel if they do!

          My ancestors, as with most people, came here from Europe and had to save and sacrifice to book passage on a ship to get here in addition to paying the processing fees. So, stop complaining and if you feel so sorry for these people, why not go to their countries as a missionary and help them out or is that too much of a sacrifice?

          Speaking about third world countries not being that fortunate…They have God in the same way that we do. We have had to have a Revolutionary War and a Civil War to get this country to the Liberty it now enjoys…THEY SHOULD DO THE SAME…INSTEAD, THEY TOLERATE THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS AND THE TYRANNY. Our kids are not going to fight their battles anymore and die for lazy people who refuse to do the right thing. I do not feel sorry for them…PERHAPS YOU SHOULD KNOW YOUR FAITH A LITTLE BETTER! Jesus said, “We will always have the poor with us!” Now, do you think He was lying?

          • Catholic pilgrim

            So, Jacquelee: if the First Amendment part about Religious Freedom is repealed in a future America, and American judges & the laws of Congress & the President & every other legal authority are forcing Catholic Priests to perform Homosexual “marriage” ceremonies (or they’re breaking the law, hence, being criminals), should the Catholic priests comply because the law says Catholic priests MUST perform Homosexual “weddings”? Well, obviously NOT! (And don’t say it can never happen. Case in point: evil King Henry VIII declaring himself Pope of England & making the Catholic Church illegal, which resulted in St. Thomas More’s martyrdom & the famous Recusant (illegal/criminal) Catholic priests running around in England & Wales.)
            .
            You’re taking St. Paul’s quote out of context. St. Thomas Aquinas (which Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. admired) as well as St. Augustine of Hippo & other Church authorities (including St. Paul, when you actually read him in context) made clear that there is a hugely significant difference between following the Laws of men (where Christians have room for Civil disobedience) vs. the LAW of GOD (which we should never disobey). Immigration laws are 100% laws of men & arbitrary. Loving the Immigrant (our neighbor) is the Law of God (“love your God with everything, love your neighbor”) which we cannot disobey. This country has a long history of hating the Immigrant (which were usually Catholic), thereby, disobeying the supreme Law of God. KKK, Know-Nothing Party, Nativists, discrimination against Chinese, Irish Catholics, Italian/Polish Catholics, etc. We don’t need any more of that (like the people screaming at buses of immigrant children in Texas). Protestants always drag on about the whole Law VS. Grace debate (& attack Catholicism for faithfully holding to Saving Grace AND Divine Law), but suddenly Protestants (who think they’re so pro-Grace) seem to worship Law when it comes to Immigration.

            • Jacqueleen

              There is no question that honoring the laws of this land, the USA which everyone..I repeat EVERYONE must abide by including the law breakers who continue to break into our back door has no conflict with the Laws of God. The Law of God would take precedence over any law that comes against the Teachings of Christ. I thought you might get that when borders are mentioned 169 times in the Bible. The meaning of Romans 13:1-2 was given by Cardinal Arinze on EWTN and the Apostolate of the Family.

              The USA is the most generous nation on earth, but that does not mean that we must take in every poor person in the entire world.

              If you were paying attention to the past 6 years of this administration, you would know that this planned stepped up invasion is for votes to keep the Democrat/Communist party in power and to dumb down the nation to prevent a victorious uprising. The Blessed Mother warned that if we did not change our sinful ways, Communism would take over the entire world and when Lucia asked if it would take over America, Our Lady answered, “Yes!” So you are encouraging with false humility and compassion the spread of Communism and a lawless society..Is this what you call of God? .Do you honestly think that this invasion of approximately 30 million will benefit this country? Why do you think Common Core has been mandated in every school system? The dumbing down of the nation will enable the ruling class to take over because as I mentioned in my previous post, these people are lazy and dumb and will not revolt or cause an uprise and living under Sharia Law will make all of the illegals dream that they could escape to their homeland. You had better start paying attention or you will be sorry. Jesus did say to the Women of Jerusalem, “Weep not for me, rather, weep for your children.”

              • Catholic pilgrim

                Yes, I am because today’s struggling Illegal Immigrants are actually coming here to bring “lawlessness & Communism” & “make our country dumb down”, & not to actually seek any opportunities for their children’s bleak future or anything. It’s all an organized effort & coming by orders of Communist Chairman Nikita Krushchev (Sarcasm).
                .
                Look, I voted against Obama & his evil agenda (& did so again in the Midterms). Islam & Secularism (which also includes Communism & the heresies of Modernism) are our biggest threats, not illegal immigrants (who are not Communists nor seeking to install any Communist invasion). I’m tired of the Americans’ insistence to scapegoat immigrants throughout our history & this day. Muslims are coming here Legally (like the Boston Bomber Muslim brothers), not illegally. Islam is persecuting & butchering Christians in Iraq/Syria (ISIS), Africa, Nigeria, “Boko Haram”, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Indonesia, Islamic Republic of Iran, Sudan, & elsewhere. I support putting a cap on Muslim immigration (Muslims have so many Muslim countries where they can go for refuge) & only allowing persecuted Christians (as well as other persecuted religious minorities) living in Muslim countries to come here (because those persecuted Christians living in the Middle East have tragically no Middle Eastern countries to flee to unlike Muslims). The travesty that is Common Core lays in the fault of Democrats & Republicans (for consenting to it), not immigrants (legal or illegal). We need to protect our nation from Islam & Secularism, but not by scapegoating & opposing immigrants (especially those who are Catholics).
                .
                I don’t care how many times the Bible mentions “border”. Did Christ Jesus ever say, “Go ye therefore & Secure your national borders!” No, I don’t remember that. He would actually say welcome the weary traveler and stranger. Welcome the Samaritans (which would be foreigners & worse to a Jew). Throwing money at the Borders is a waste of tax money because of how inefficient it is (it’ll just add to our National Debt). The last Muslim terrorists who came to the USA all came LEGALLY (not illegally). Boston Bomber Muslim brothers, the Muslim who recently chopped the head off an Oklahoma woman, Osama Bin Laden’s henchmen who came to study at California flight schools were granted legal visas (before 9/11), the Fort Hood Muslim guy, etc. Homegrown terrorism (done by legal resident immigrants & Citizens) & homegrown Islam are bigger, horrible issues than Illegal Immigrants of Christian backgrounds who come to give their kids a better future.

                • Jacqueleen

                  The difference between illegal criminals and the legal terrorists is just that….legal vs illegal. What is it that you don’t understand about the fact that these people are spitting on our Constitution ignoring the law and expecting the red carpet treatment? Our jails are full of illegal criminals that swing in and out of jail are deported and then come back in and wind up in jail again…You are bearing a grudge and resentment from years past when immigrants did suffer name calling and segregation into their own neighborhoods. However, they got over it because they assimilated into the American society, received an education that they paid for and got jobs…..You are not talking about the same thing here. I recently was told by an arrogant Hispanic woman who yelled, “You think your something because your “white!” Apparently, you are not out in the trenches because you, too would be subject to reverse “adverse” treatment not by Americans but by the arrogant, belligerent illegals. La Raza has done a job on them.

                  SEND THE ILLEGALS BACK TO THE COUNTRY OF THEIR ORIGIN AND START WITH THE ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE. By enforcing our good Immigration Laws, and placing an ad in every newspaper and prime time TV station giving the law breakers 60 days to vacate the country or suffer the consequences if caught after the 60 days, install E-Verify and stiffly fine all employers who employ illegals after the 60 days, follow up on expired visas and immediately stop all Freebies, Welfare, Food Stamps, Housing subsidies, Free Healthcare & education/translation tutors, etc., then build the border fence with American Workers and secure the border….No jobs, no money, no freebies, then you will see them run to the border.
                  Who do you think will help the 92,000.000 Americans who are out of the workforce and losing everything they worked hard for. Plus, the parents of these unemployed Americans are losing their retirement & savings supporting their adult unemployed children. Then, college grad are coming into a “NO JOB environment with huge school tuition debt. You should feel as sorry for Americans as you feel for law breakers. Are you related to Obama, by any chance?

                  • Catholic pilgrim

                    First, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not criminals who end up in prison (this is statistics); they’re simply hard-working folks who want a better future for their kids, like everybody else. How I wish you would’ve been born & raised in some of the places I’ve been to (like an extremely impoverished town I went to in Peru) & have your kids grow up there. I bet you’d have a completely different perspective & would’ve done what your ancestors probably did (immigrate here). Also, illegal immigrants are not “trying to trump our Constitution”; most immigrants (like your ancestor immigrants) do not even know about the Constitution before they got here, so how can they be actively trying to trample something which they don’t even know about? Secondly, by law, illegal immigrants can NOT & do NOT receive Food Stamps, Social Security, Federal Student Aid, nor other welfare. That’s a plain fact. Don’t even mention Assimilation. What should Latin American immigrants (of Catholic background) “assimilate” to? The American Secularism that is being heavily promoted in our culture? Or the American Protestantism/Mormonism & Jehovah’s “Witnesses” that are aggressively targeting Latin American Catholic communities? The reason the Catholic Church in USA is so weakened is because they tried to assimilate to modernist American culture too much. Speak to Native Americans (Five Civilized Tribes, Plains Tribes, & others) & ask them about all the suffering “assimilation” brought to them (not very Christ-like). English is not our official language, & for the longest time, most of the places that would become future USA States (Florida, TX, CO, California, New Mex, AZ, UT, etc.) were actually Mexican/Spanish (before English-speaking American Protestants decided to invade & bring their black slaves, which was illegal in Mexico). So if a person from Ecuador in TX does not want to learn English (which is not legally our official language), too bad for you.
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                    Lastly, if someone calling you “white” is the worst you’ve endured (as bad as that was), you have not lived in the shoes of immigrants. I came as an Immigrant & am now US Citizen, & you don’t want to know the insults people have thrown at me & my family because of our status as immigrant & being Mexican/Italian. My father was even fired from his job along with many Italians because the new manager hated the workers’ Italian accents when speaking English (the factory had previously hired many Italian engineers).

                    • Jacqueleen

                      Correction: Law breakers are criminals…..A criminal is one who breaks the law….IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? You sound very anti-American…you know where the door is? Turn south and then straight ahead. The illegals do indeed get free everything…you are mistaken and it totals in the Billions per year. Now, Obama is giving corporations $3000 to hire illegals over Americans. Do you see more hopping the fence? Do you see more robbing jobs from Americans? Do you see a civil war on the horizon?

                      I have friends in Africa, Ghana, Tanzania and Nigeria. My very dear friend, Sister Veronica from Tanzania graduated from College here in the States and went back to her home country to help her people! Now, that is what I call Christian. She wrote me to say that the children, as poor as they are in villages with very little and with electric that goes out for hours at a time…..ARE HAPPY KIDS! She reports that they are always smiling and are definitely happy. THESE ARE VERY POOR PEOPLE. What makes them happy? The fact that they lack greed and don’t have electronic devices to tempt them with the desire to have everything invented So, their lack of knowledge works to their advantage. Clearly, they are happy with what they have…a stick and a ball and lots of exercise. Perhaps this is what Our Lord meant when He said that we would always have the poor among us….

                      Now, as for the American Indians, no one knows exactly why they have fallen into despair, drugs and alcohol addictions and have stayed on their Reservations. Every application asks for your race and they definitely receive privilege from our government. Some have found this out and left for a higher
                      education and a descent job. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

                      As for the rest of your dribble. and I call it that because an intelligent person sticks to the issue and does not attack the person….only those with nothing meaningful to say pick on the person. Have a Happy Thanksgiving in your homeland.

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      I came here legally, payed all taxes for ten years without being able to vote on how my taxes should be spent, waited for ten years, was interviewed by the Department of Homeland Security, payed $5000 in legal fees, swore an oath of allegiance to become a Naturalized U.S. Cizitzen, & now you’re telling me to leave? You have no right, my dear. Unlike you, I worked my as@ off to become American, you just had to be born (how easy). Also, that’s racist. Why must I leave “south of the border”? Is that were brown people have to go? (Do you even realize that some immigrants, as was my case, come here through Airplanes, not through the border?) Why not north to Canada? I’m not white enough (even though I’m half Italian- basically white)? I’m proud of being American, but I will not deny nor celebrate a lot of its dark histories (like slavery, Indian removals, & the way Americans treated Catholic immigrants). I live near the capital of the Cherokee Nation (Tahlequah, Okla.); I know the hell my country (USA) & it’s govt made them go through- Trail of Tears, many dead, broken treaties, & more. Get to know some of the Native American & history people whose ancestors were here before you or I. The long history of death & suffering will tell you something. Jacqueleen, As proud as I am being an Educated (not blind) American, I’m a faithful Catholic first & foremost, & an American citizen second. Do you have something against it? If so too bad. Catholic first, American second. As to “freebies”, illegal immigrants (who aren’t criminals, but hardworking folks looking for a better future for their kids like you) pay Sales taxes, property taxes, & into Social Security even while being barred from most of the welfare programs. You were never any type of immigrant, so you don’t know anything apparently. Facts are facts.

                    • Jacqueleen

                      THEN, GET AN EDUCATION…YOU SORELY NEED ONE!

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      When you don’t have anything to refute facts, resort to Ad Hominem personal attacks, right? You’re so clever, Jacqueleen. I have a college education. It’s you who sorely needs it. You don’t know anything about the History of my nation (USA). You don’t know anything about my nation’s (American) immigration laws. And you don’t know anything about my religion (Catholicism). And (like you told me earlier), go back & crawl under the rock where you come from! I’ll show you the way to your rock. Because someone as seriously uneducated about US history & US immigration laws/process like you must live under a rock. Also Jacqueleen, go to Confession for insulting others & your self-righteousness, & become more Christ-like.

                    • Jacqueleen

                      TAKE A LOOK IN A MIRROR.

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      WHAT’S UP WITH THE CAPS?! are you trying to scream or something?

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      Catholic first, American second.

                • John Doeman

                  This post is nonsensical. First, while some immigrants come her to have a better life for themselves or their children (especially in the material and not spiritual sense of “better”), some undoubtedly come here to commit crimes. Some illegal immigrants undoubtedly commit crimes once they are here. Some commit violent and heinous crimes. You can’t ignore or deny that. Second, I don’t see how millions of people coming here illegally and living here illegally would not foster a sense of “lawlessness.” Certainly, when the law is not enforced and millions of people get away with disregarding the law, it is bound to create a sense of lawlessness, and cause people to doubt the effectiveness and integrity of the government. Third, many people who come here from poor countries are illiterate, even in their own language, and uneducated, and bring with them the same social problems that made their countries poor in the first place. So, there is some substance to the concern that it will lead to a “dumbing down” of the country. There is some substance to the fears that immigrants will bring dangerous ideas or religious fanaticism as well. Finally, I’m not surprised you voted for Obama, every thing you write supports my own stereotype of someone who would vote for Obama. But the fact that you admit voting for Obama just shows how disingenuous you are when you previously said that real Catholics should be more concerned about abortion and homosexuality than illegal immigration.

                  • Catholic pilgrim

                    What the crap? I specifically said in my post that I voted AGAINST Obama both in 2012 & the 2014 when his evil agenda was in the Ballot. I was very clear: I do NOT nor ever will support Obama for president. It’s you who is engaging in stereotypes & confirmation bias. Also show me FACTs & citations. Most studies show Very minuscule percentages of illegal immigrants are committing crimes, that’s reality. They’re too afraid of Deportation to commit crimes. A century ago (1800s until 1950s) people in America (including the KKK, Know-Nothing Party, Nativists, & others) feared immigrants from Catholic Italy, Poland, Bavaria, & Ireland because they were wrongly & baselessly feared they were attempting to bring a “Papal takeover” of America. Al Smith from New York was even rejected for Presidency only because he was Catholic (JFK was also opposed by the KKK & other huge Anti-Catholic American segments, especially in the South). I wish there would’ve been a Papal/Catholic takeover of America- this Secularist/Protestant country would’ve been a lot better (spiritually as well as materially). I’m a proud American, but a Catholic first & foremost. Catholic first & foremost, American secondly.

                    • John Doeman

                      Oh okay. I saw in your post that you said you voted for Obama and so I took it literally. There is no way to read sarcasm in print. As for the statistics on crimes committed by illegal immigrants, even if it is “minuscule” (not sure what that means), why should people not have a problem with that? I happen to work in the immigration field, and I know from first hand experience, that illegal immigrants commit crimes. Generally, that is how they end up in deportation proceedings (the ones that get caught, that is). And that doesn’t always mean they get deported either. There is a whole industry of lawyers and non-lawyers who work the system for them, sometimes for free. The president even included in his executive actions that not all crimes would be grounds for deportation, meaning that the government acknowledges that some illegal immigrants commit crimes, and still will not deport them. Finally, whether the KKK feared a “Papal takeover” or not I don’t know, but what does that have to do with the problems caused by illegal immigration?

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      John, That’s okay. But there was no sarcasm. I’ll copy/paste the passage from the original post: “Look, I voted *against* Obama & his evil agenda (& did so again in the Midterms). Islam & Secularism (which also includes Communism & the heresies of Modernism) are our biggest threats, not illegal immigrants….”
                      .
                      Obama’s father is a Muslim from Kenya, Obama’s legal middle name is “Hussein”, his first overseas trip was to a Muslim country & a mosque, & in his ideology & actions it shows that Obama prefers Islam over Christianity (despite most of his nation being historically Christian). He despises Christianity; that’s not a quality I like in any of my presidents. My grandmother had the misfortune of having Atheist President Plutarco Calles (who killed Catholics) so you’d understand my insistence if you knew who he was. Happy Thanksgiving.

                    • John Doeman

                      Happy Thanks giving to you too. I can’t speak from personal knowledge about Obama’s religious beliefs. I doubt very much that he holds any religious beliefs. My guess is that he worships himself more than anything else, not unlike many of our leaders. If he prefers Islam to Christianity that is because he, like the Left, equates Christianity with Western Civilization, which he has shown time and again, that he despises. While I think that there are admirable aspects of Islam, fundamentally it is anti-Christian because it rejects the divinity of Jesus and salvation through Him, which is the foundation of our faith. Unfortunately, many muslims have turned to militancy to fight what they view as “the West” and even Christianity. But the Western world is no longer Christian, and it is more and more becoming divorced from its Western roots. If anything our policy towards the Middle East is dictated more by Zionism and elements within our government that our more loyal to Israel’s interest than to U.S. interests. Finally, I don’t know if islam and secularism are our biggest problems, but illegal immigration causes its own problems, and people are right to demand that the government enforce our laws and that foreigners respect our national sovereignty.

        • Jacqueleen

          When Jesus, Mary and Joseph took flight into Egypt there were NO IMMIGRATION LAWS.

        • John Doeman

          First, there is no indication in the Bible that Mary and Joseph were violating any laws by moving to Egypt. Second, I don’t think Jesus would tell people that it’s okay to disregard the laws. In fact, he even told the Jews to pay taxes to Caesar. Third, your insinuation that people who complain about illegal immigration are like the KKK is insulting and disingenuous. I doubt your contention that emigrants who came to Ellis Island came with fake passports. But if that is so, two wrongs don’t make a right. Finally, people who think the laws are unjust should work to change the law, not disregard the laws they don’t agree with. That is anarchy. That is the same argument the Jews made when they said they shouldn’t pay taxes to Caesar and you can read how Jesus responded to them. Finally, the fact that people break the law and the government looks the other way is an injustice, and people have have good reason to be fired up about it because it effects them.

        • Eamonn McKeown

          Thank you.

    • Catholic pilgrim

      Also, how come many Americans seem more fired up about immigration (laws of men) than the actual injustices against God our Creator that are the abominations of Abortion & Homosexual “marriage”?
      .
      Our Lord Jesus & the holy family were illegal immigrants went they fled to Egypt to escape King Herod’s wrath. Do you really think Christ would be out there protesting & shouting at immigrants (legal or otherwise)? Or would He be welcoming them with open arms & making sure that they stayed faithful to His Church once here in USA (& not leave for American Secularism or Jehovah’s “witnesses” or to American Protestantism)? WHY ARE YOU ALL IN CAPS? Remember, years ago in these USA, people opposed Irish, Italian, & Polish immigration simply because they came from non-English CATHOLIC countries. Ku Kluk Klan. Nativists. Know-Nothing Party. All of them hated Catholic immigrants, such an ugly history. All most of your ancestors had to do was board a ship & show up at Ellis Island with fake passports (GASP! yes, most of them had fake documents, hence, illegal) & make sure they didn’t have diseases (how hard, not really). Today (speaking as someone who came here as a Legal immigrant from Italy & Mexico but am now a Naturalized US Citizen) it’s ridiculously difficult to immigrate here legally. You end up spending $5,000 alone (per person) for legal fees. Many of your 1890s-1920s immigrant ancestors were POOR. Today, the immigration system discriminates against the POOR. I was fortunate enough to come here legally (& become citizen after countless years of wait & money), but I know many Catholics back in my homelands (Italy, Mexico) who are not as fortunate.

      • don

        Catholic pilgrim, I am glad you are here and did so in accordance with US law. But while you may have found it difficult to immigrate here, I should note that since 1970, over 40,000,000 from around the world have done so and at great expense to American taxpayers. Whatever you may think of America’s history of immigration, it is the most welcoming in the world.

        Immigration “fires up” Americans for many good reasons. I can name three of those many now. First, each legal immigrant over the course of their lives, will receive far more in benefits than they will pay in state or federal taxes. That means our already huge national debt, will grow even greater over time. The problem is compounded when persons who entered illegally are allowed to remain and take advantage of those same programs and benefits. Long-term, this debt will risk the financial future of our children and grandchildren.

        Second, there are 1.2 million new entrants to the US (legal and illegal) annually. That means we essentially grow a city the size of Denver every single year through immigration. Over time, our limited resources such as water, timber, and energy become stretched. The CIA estimates that at present levels of immigration, the US will become a net food importer by 2050. We already see this throughout much of the US west, with cities being forced to take water from farmers to provide for municipal needs. That has significant implications for our quality of life and national security.

        Third, with regard to illegal immigrants, there is an important national security component. Without securing the borders to verify the identity and history of those who come here, we risk having criminals, terrorists, or persons with disease impacting our own citizens. We have already seen that on multiple levels and I personally knew a person who was murdered by an illegal.

        I would submit, that these are matters for debate – and that my position may be wrong. That being said, I believe the US should focus its efforts to bring about stability in other countries and provide economic opportunities in those places. The poor will always be with us but it is wrong to force Americans to risk the economic and social health of their own nation to solve a problem they didn’t create.

        America has benefited greatly from its immigration past, but we must now consider whether immigration on such a massive scale is good for our future. Our policies must (or should) change to meet our present and future needs.

        • Catholic pilgrim

          don, I appreciate your thoughtful, rational, balanced responses (in a debate where most seem to answer from their emotions & vitriol rather than from their brains). But a couple things. When Osama Bin Laden’s terrorist henchmen came to the USA (specifically California) to study in US flight schools (in preparation for 9/11), they came Legally. Most of the Islamic terrorists wreaking havoc & evil on our nation (such as the Boston Bomber Muslim brothers, the Fort Hood terrorist, & the Muslim man who cut off a woman’s head in Oklahoma) were here Legally. Homegrown terrorism (from legal residents & citizens) is a bigger issue to worry about than pretending that terrorists come here illegally. As to common criminals, studies show that illegal immigrants actually have lower crime rates that most categories of legal residents (immigrants) & citizens. As to diseases, in the age of Airplane travel & globalization, illegal immigrants (especially those who come on foot) are the last to bring diseases. Remember, the Ebola African man that was quarantine in Dallas (who brought Ebola to USA)? He came to Dallas legally from Africa & on an Airplane.
          .
          As to public welfare, Illegals are actually disqualified from receiving the great majority of government benefits (because of how Congress wrote the laws). Illegal immigrants are paying into our Social Security (without ever being able to retrieve the money they put in) and they’re also paying all our Sales taxes & Property taxes (without being able to vote & while being exempt from Most welfare benefits). As to Naturalized Citizens, like me, I can tell you that after swearing my oath of allegiance to USA to become a citizen, I have never taken a Food Stamp or receive govt grants or anything (thanks be to God I haven’t needed them). But being familiar with many immigrant communities (from many ethnicities at my Parish), I can tell you that most are hard-working & a surprising majority do not receive welfare (once becoming naturalized). We Catholics (especially from our USA Catholic parishes) should be more worried that immigrants don’t lose their Catholic Faith (to Secularism, Jehovah’s “Witnesses”, Protestantism) like many immigrants have already done.
          .
          You made some points that I did not know (like water resources). Overall, I tend to sympathize with several thoughts of Pat Buchanan on this. But one point, our Nation in a few years will have Baby Boomers retiring in mass numbers, & with birth control & abortion (millions), we actually don’t have the labor to sustain all the Baby Boomers & their Medicare (which is what’s driving our National Debt to the Roof) & Social Security & benefits. And without a high birth rate, Immigration will have to make up for it in order to sustain any stability. Now, I simplified the issue. But Medicare (which Baby Boomers are starting to use) is actually what is driving our National Debt (not illegal immigrants). Funny how the ridiculously high National Debt (trillions?) only comes up in discussions about immigration (scapegoats? who actually are not using Medicare nor Social Security), but never about warfare nor other issues.

          • Don

            Catholic pilgrim, I appreciate your position and I agree with a number of your points – such as encouraging Catholic immigrants to stay with their faith. That being said, I believe you are mistaken on a couple of points. The national debt is an issue of concern for all Americans and it is discussed in many contexts, not just immigration. I certainly don’t blame the debt on immigration but my point is that the problem is certainly compounded by a scope of our present immigration and will only grow when those who got here illegally are rewarded with legal status. At that point, many of the benefits they were denied will become available.

            I would also note that I agree with you that the retirement of baby boomers will indeed amplify the debt. But I disagree that it is for that reason we need more immigrants to cover those costs. The present system operates a bit like a ponzi scheme, which is never truly sustainable. Rather what is needed is a reform of the retirement programs with everyone (or almost everyone) receiving less and working a bit longer.

            Lastly, I would offer the observation that the population of the US at the end of WWII was about 140,000,000. Today it is right at 310,000,000. At present rates of immigration, we will add the existing populations of ever state west of the Mississippi River plus Florida, to our population by 2050. The stresses on natural resources and even our political systems may well prove too much. In my view, immigration policy is an essential discussion for the survival of our nation. Pax, Don

      • GG

        Is this a joke?

        • Catholic pilgrim

          What’s a joke? Does it sound like I’m joking? No.

  • Siwash

    I have no doubt that the immigration issue will again be an issue two years from now, as more ILLEGAL aliens come to the US and expect the back on the back.

  • Siwash

    This whole undemocratic, I do as I please, attitude kills American democracy.

    We’re a nation of laws, not a nation of imperial diktat.

    • If a President clearly breaks the law (again and again, his own appointees found against him on his declaration that the Senate wasn’t in session) and the legislature refuses to impeach him, the laws mean nothing and we reside de facto, if not de jure, an autocracy.

  • Tamsin

    Glad to see Mr. Frohnen call out farmers for their complicity in the continued exploitation of undocumented immigrants. Nobody wants to be the first farm to give up cheap labor, and pay wages that would attract documented workers. They’ve penciled it out, and it costs less to band together with other farmers to lobby politicians for policies that will produce a continuous flow of illegal immigrants.

    Apple farmers using migrants to pick apples is as American as apple pie.

    What is the hourly wage for picking fruits and vegetables? What are the working conditions like? Difficult, but not unmanageable. There is no labor shortage; there is a shortage of documented workers willing to sell their labor at that prevailing wage in those prevailing conditions… far from the big city.

    And all this at a time when the SEIU organizes “Fight for 15” campaigns to raise the hourly wage of fast food workers… when there is NO shortage of citizens, young and old, who are happy to earn $10 an hour flipping burgers in a climate-controlled comfort… in the big city.

    • Correction Glad to see Mr. Frohnen call out farmers for their complicity in the exploitation of ILLEGAL ALIENS.

      Try not filing a 1040, even if you do not have a significant or any tax liability, and see if politicians, activists or clergy call you an “undocumented taxpayer”.

      • Tamsin

        I understand. I’m not afraid of calling an illegal alien an illegal alien, but it has recently come to my attention that some workers who are documented will not share their documentatedness, in order to maintain their appeal as “trouble-free” labor.

        • Sorry that term gets my shorts in a wad. I hate linguistic engineering.

          In other words, perverse incentives at work. Fantastic.

  • John Doeman

    I wish to do away with the meme that our immigration system is “broken.” It’s not broken just because a large subset of people choose to disregard our laws and our Executive Branch chooses to be derelict of its duties and not faithfully execute those laws. It means that our government is corrupt not that there is something wrong with the laws.

    • Catholic pilgrim

      No, it actually is broken. I’m fortunate enough to be a Naturalized US Citizen who immigrated Legally from Italy & Mexico, & even from my experience alone, I can guarantee you it definitely IS deeply broken & severely unfair. Let’s not bury our heads in the sand. We are orthodox Catholics, Not Republican talking points robots.

      • And from the rant above, we know you define broken as having any entry requirements.

        Why don’t you check out how Mexico treats those that violate its Southern border, or how it treated the fellow who incidentally crossed their Northern border.

        Being lectured by Mexican Presidents on immigration is a little like being lectured on honesty by Al Capone.

        • Catholic pilgrim

          I have no respect for the Mexican President (who ignores the massacre of 40 young adults) nor the President’s PRI party (which was involved in the Cristero Wars, where the Atheist Pres. Plutarco Calles killed Catholic priests & made Catholicism criminal in Mexico- which may great-grandparents survived). The majority of Mexican politicians (especially those of the PRI & PRD) are extremely corrupt & incompetent. Yes, DE, Mexico also has unfair immigration laws (my father who immigrated from Italy to Mexico knows all to well); I will never deny it. I have nothing against basic entry requirements, DE. I have a lot against useless, expensive bureaucracies & bureaucrats that are supposed to make immigration work but are instead just draining our economy & creating burdens (on hard-working people looking for a better future) to justify their continuance. I have something against systems where it’s easy for wealthy people to come here (almost like a free pass) but a poor family (simply looking for opportunity like everyone else for their kids) is denied & rejected systematically. If the Holy Family (Baby Jesus, Mary & Joseph) were trying to legally come to the USA today, they’d be roundly rejected & denied access because of their economic status but a rich dude (doing well in his own home country) would have no problem. Statistically speaking, “your” (generally speaking) ancestors (1830s-1920s) would not have had all the bureaucratic BS to deal with & would’ve been granted access (even if Poor). But for today’s Poor families, go the hell back to your country is what we’re doing to them. That is not fair.

          • You know, your comparison of every border slipper to the Holy Family is despicable.

            • Catholic pilgrim

              You don’t like to feed, house, & humanely treat incarcerated people with your money? Because it’s all about your money? You sound like you & Dicken’s Ebenezer Scrooge would make good friends; Lazarus’s rich man can join also. I agree, you three are so perfect & deserving of your money. God forbid that any dime of your money should ever be taken from you, especially for those pesky, annoying “least of these my brethren” (which includes incarcerated people in our Lord’s list of people). You earned your gosh darned money, why should those filthy incarcerated criminals who deserved what they got take a dime from you? Those other people who are undeserving of your money & deserve what they get, like why did they have to exist anyway, you know? They should not be reproducing & we should just throw them out & let them die on the streets, right, Mr. Ebenezer? Ah, why do those people have to be such inconsiderate inconveniences to your money? Chesterton & Dickens were right about Libertarians.
              .
              “The rich man cried, ‘Father Abraham, have pity upon me & send Lazarus to bring me water to dip my finger in this agony of fire.’ But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’” (St. Luke’s holy Gospel)

              • No I have no problem feeding the truly needy. Lazarus was truly needy.

                But you are right, when I and my wife work my tail off and then watch, as I did three years ago, and observe two able-bodied people buying several bags of expensive crab legs that my wife avoid as budget busters and then paying with foodstamps, and then getting into a $35,000 SUV you’re damn right I resent it.

                My Church has just had it’s capital campaign for the new building extended by our Bishop, it is still $1.5 million in debt.That’s God’s work, not violating the dictum that those that do not work should not eat. I have exceeded my pledge, and I’d love to crank it up more, but I have to “donate” to parasites who have their hands on my wallet everywhere.

                Another one of your windy tedious irrational judgmental screeds that you supposedly don’t have time to write.

                • Catholic pilgrim

                  Yes I’m so irrational, aren’t I, oh, Rational One? Yes those “parasites” should just die off & “decrease the surplus population” (as Dicken’s Scrooge would put it). It’s what the Gospel of Ayn Rand (which you seem to love) demands. Those worthless pieces of garbage which some irrational people would call humans deserve what they get. Have you no experience of real Christian Grace (because by the things you say, it sounds like not)? “But God showed His great love for us in that while we were still sinners (undeserving of any forgiveness or goodness), Christ died for us.” DE, your Ayn Randian version: In that while we were still sinners, God declared that we deserved all our suffering & misery & left us to our own devices & called us “parasites” of His goodness & told us to f@$k off. DE, go to Confession. Your self-righteousness is toxic & making old, bitter, & lacking in Christian grace.

                  • Objectivetruth

                    Here’s the irony of most of the situation: my own observations are that most Mexicans here illegally don’t want to become Americans. I live in a rural/farming area of Pennsylvania, where 10% of the population is Mexican, mostly illegal. In the next two weeks before the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe a large majority of the Mexicans will leave to go home to Mexico, coming back in March. If you asked the typical young Mexican if they’re here to become citizens or to make more money in one year here than in fifteen years in Mexico, they’ll smile at you, shrug their, shoulders, and say “What do you think?” The Catholic cemeteries in my area have very few Mexicans buried there, when they get old and sick they go back to Mexico to die. After the president’s executive order a week ago, there wasn’t wide spread celebration in the Mexican community in my area. Under this order, that means these illegals will have to pay taxes, meaning less income to send home. They’re not going to want to do that.

                    In the past, Irish, Italian, German immigrants came here 100% embracing what America offered, their dream to become citizens. I don’t see that same desire in the Mexicans here. They’re Mexican first, really not too concerned about becoming citizens.

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      I’m sorry you’re mistaken about history. Irish, Italian, & German immigrants EVENTUALLY embraced America. Being half Italian (& half Mexican) & having been an immigrant myself, I was curious of other immigrants before me, so I had read a lot. Most Italian immigrants (like Poles & Germans) would decide to form Ethnic neighborhoods, still continue only speaking their own language (except for the youth as is the case today with most English-speaking Hispanic youth even though their parents might not), hold on to ancient customs, not interact with others outside their Italian communities, etc. EVENTUALLY, after several generations, they abandoned their Italian heritage & became full cultural Americans. How many Americans who claim to be Italians (laughably) actually speak Italian? How many still live in Ethnic neighborhoods? Yup, the process to assimilate to American culture is complete. These so-called Italian Americans no longer speak Italian & are No longer practicing Catholics (having bought into American Secularism or Protestantism), yet they continue to call themselves Italians. Amazing. As for me, an Naturalized US Citizen (meaning I came as Immigrant), I shall remain trilingual (Italian, Spanish, & English) & as well as remain a faithful Catholic until death. And my children shall learn all three languages & heritage cultures & raised as faithful Catholics. USA is about one of the only countries were people are strict monolingual (speak only English) even while proudly claiming to be all these European cultures & nationalities (Polish, Italian, German, Irish) while not even knowing the languages nor cultures. In most countries people are bilingual & doing perfectly fine.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      And…….you missed the whole point of my post being the fact that I’ve observed most Mexicans here illegally have no desire to become American citizens.

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      What does it bother you what Mexicans do or do not do? Is it any of your business? How do you even know that all of these immigrants are Mexicans? In my city, the Hispanic community is composed of Mexicans, Guatemalans, Costa Ricans, Cubans, & Argentines (the majority of whom come illegally from Argentina on planes & illegally overstay their tourist visas). Many Caucasian Americans just label the whole Hispanic community as “Mexicans” without ever bothering to know their actual nationalities. These MOSTLY hard-working people whether they immigrated here legally or illegally just want their kids to have a better future like any body else or want their families back home to not starve & live in misery.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      Exhausting……..my life is getting shorter…and shorter….

                      Did I I say it “bothered me?”

                      You really don’t read a post, do you?

                  • Nice try, but I’m not an Objectivist. What the hell is it with PHOs that they are so eager to make baseless accusations?

                    • Catholic pilgrim

                      Nice try, but I’m not a PHO. You might as well be an Ayn Randian “Objectivist” by some of the things you write.

                    • You are a PHO. You can deny it all you want, but you are a PHO.
                      Of course, you may know as little about Catholicism as you do Ayn Rand.

      • John Doeman

        I’m not a Republican and I’m not a robot. I don’t think the system is broken because there are requirements for becoming a citizen, or that it is a difficult process. I think there should be requirements to becoming a citizen. What’s unfair about that? It’s only unfair because some people go through the process of coming here legally while others cheat the law because it is more expedient, and the government looks the other way.

  • thebigdog

    If Lois Lerner doesn’t go to prison then we are no longer a nation of law.

    • And that brings up a point.
      Long before that destestible female canine became the face of defiant and entrenched abuse of unaccountable power, long before the TIGTA (Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration) and the GAO (Government Accountability Office) have issued myriads of reports over decades detailing IRS errors, ineffectiveness, inefficiency, weak internal controls and insecure handling of confidential tax information, we’ve known our tax system (which affects every person in the country), we’ve known the tax system is broken.
      Will there be a President seeking to bring

  • Jacqueleen

    Both parties are full of donkey dust…Ending the illegal invasion is a simple process and can be solved very easily as follows: Place an ad in every newspaper and every prime time TV station that the illegals have 60 days to pack up and return to the country of their origin the same way they got here. Then, install E-Verify and stiffly fine employers who defy the order and keep illegals working beyond the 60 days. Then, finish the border fence with American Workers and secure the Border. Then, immediately STOP ALL FREEBIES, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SUBSIDIES, HEALTHCARE, ETC. No Job, No freebies, No money! The illegals will run to the border….Then the VERY GOOD IMMIGRATION LAWS MUST BE ENFORCED….This will send a message to Central and South America including Mexico that Legal immigrants knock on our front door. The illegal criminals break into our back door and will not get away with it! Keep remembering what Mexico did to the US Marine keeping him in jail for many months without much required medication…..SEND THEM ALL BACK NOW AND START WITH THE ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

    As for the few American employers clamoring for cheap labor…..my bet is that they will soon move manufacturing to China or elsewhere and AMERICANS WILL BOYCOTT ALL PRODUCTS MADE ABROAD. Start making your product in the garage ….we desperately need new American Companies not traitors to the American People. Buy only what is made and grown here in the USA. Beat the ruling thugs at their own game.

    • What good does it do to “buy American” if the product you buy is the product of an industry that routinely bases its business model on the presence of illegals?
      Remember, John McCain said no citizens would pick lettuce.

      • Jacqueleen

        Do you honestly believe McCain? We need more inventors and business entrepreneurs who may have to start in their basements or garages not unlike Microsoft but a patriot rather than a depopulation monster. The mentality of the illegal is buy the foreign made product because it is cheaper than American made products. However, I’m talking about post eviction of all the invaders which will give rise to a new America, the United States of America. Remember that if the Whites and Blacks don’t want the jobs, a percentage of field and factory workers can be brought here legally.

        Then, the point is this. If Americans are not willing to sacrifice to save their country, then why are we even having this discussion? Let, what will be, be! And no complaining about the loss of freedom under Sharia Law.
        Obama has a hidden agenda and we are the pawns on the chess board.

        • “Do you honestly believe McCain? ”

          No. That was sarcasm.

  • ” establish a uniform rule of naturalization”

    I would certainly say Congress has failed in that duty. Doesn’t make Obama’s wrong any more right though.

  • brucenyc

    We should not make employers enforce the immigration laws. That is the job of the government. If the government cannot, or will not, enforce its immigration laws; then the government should change those laws, not foist enforcement onto employers.

  • Eamonn McKeown

    Whilst I know the Declaration is not the law as the Constitution is nor indeed are the Federalist Papers I would like to provide a lengthy quote that I’m fond of.
    ‘He has endeavored to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass to others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands’. Unlike most political flacks of either color I am a robust defender of Property, Free Trade, Freedom of Contract which must include Labor. And yes Immigration has been warped by Politicians from the Know-Nothings to Teddy K. whom I doubt will fix it themselves.

  • GUNNER

    This man you so foolishly elected to occupy the oval office with no credentials and a Marxist leaning attitude has destroyed the very fabric of the constitution with his total disrespect for the most important document we have. I know the ill informed and the touchy feely types propelled this piece of excrement into the white house where he stated dismantling the laws of the land. I want to address those that saw fit to vote for this creature of hatred and divisiveness and offer you all a chance at atonement for your serious breach of thought. If you all will use your heads this time and vote for America instead of rhetoric and government largess you will be contributing to the rebirth of our once great nation but if you stray and go for the sizzle and not the steak whoa unto you and yours for perpetuity.

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