I Fight on Contraception Hill

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Contraception is one of the great scourges not just of our time but of all time. In two ways it sets men and women against their creator. First, because they choose disobedience over the clear teaching of the Church. Second, it says no to the creative work of our Lord. Both of these put their souls in jeopardy.

Contraception is also the font of many of the deadly social pathologies of our time; the sexual revolution, pornography, divorce and family breakdown, abortion and the mainstreaming of same-sex arrangements including what seems like an inevitable change in the social and legal definition of marriage.

This is why I have dedicated much of the past twenty years to fighting contraception. If you were to do a site search on my organization’s website you would see a few hundred stories about the evils of contraception. What’s more, my organization has been a leader all these years in fighting the spread of UN-style family planning around the world. Oftentimes my staff members are the only ones from the pro-life world at UN meetings where such things are discussed. You could say I have been dying on contraceptive hill for decades.

Having said and done these things for so long does not mean I think it is prudential to make contraception a litmus test in political campaigns as some are doing in a Congressional race in Northern Virginia. A pro-life Catholic woman has been attacked as a dissenter from Catholic teaching for asking the Federal government to make contraceptives available over the counter.

The response to my last column though not agreeing with her but still defending her on this topic has been truly fruitful in focusing my attention on this vital issue. Let me take the main arguments from my interlocutors one by one.

Some say Catholic politicians are required to make contraception an issue because of an admonition in Humanae Vitae not to “tolerate any legislation which would introduce into the family those practices which are opposed to the natural law of God.”

When that prophetic document was promulgated contraception had not yet taken over the world. It was still illegal in many states. It was a reasonable enough thing to suggest that a headlong political battle against contraception could be fought, though even then it was far from certain that it could have been won. Recall the giddy excitement at the prospect the Church might give Her okay.

It is now a different world, a vastly different world. And as we move through this consideration, it is important to keep in mind where we are now with regard to contraception.

According to 2011 UN estimates, at 78.6 percent, the US has among the highest rates of contraceptive use in the world. Only a handful of countries are higher. The incidence of contraceptive use by Catholics tracks identically with everyone else. What this means is the world is a vastly different place than when the prophet Paul VI spoke. And while the teaching against contraception can and should never change, the governmental and political tactics surrounding it must take into consideration the ground upon which we would actually fight.

Regarding what the Church has asked us to do with regard to contraception politics and policy, I have looked closely at this and spoken to several people who have worked on this and other issues for the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. What I found is the same as I reported two weeks ago.

While the Church has lobbied on contraception politics, that activity has been limited to things like preventing access by kids, opposing over-the-counter status for so-called “contraceptive” drugs that can cause abortion (like “Plan B”), and fighting to protect the conscience rights of individuals and institutions who are forced to fund it against their beliefs.  But the Church in the US has not called for Catholics in public life to attempt to ban or restrict contraceptives from the larger society.

I am not aware that the Church has even admonished Catholic politicians for voting in favor of increased funding for Title X Family Planning programs that provide low cost or free contraceptives for low-income women.

The argument is also made that the contraceptive pill is so potentially dangerous that only a doctor should administer it because it is only in the doctor’s office that women will receive warnings about its use. We are told that women need to know that it can cause cancer and might cause an abortion.

I went onto the FDA website to see their warnings about cancer and abortion. Of course, you know what I found: nothing about cancer or abortion. Given that the pill is a billion dollar industry and the main pushers are doctors, I don’t think for a minute that any doctor pushing the pill will tell his customers that the pill causes cancer or could cause abortion, primarily because he does not believe these claims. Secondarily, why say anything to cast real doubt and possibly scare away the customer? A casual survey of women colleagues backs this up—they were routinely encouraged to get on the pill, even without asking for it, and none of them was warned about these dangers. In fact, some were mocked because they were not interested in the pill—”everybody’s on the pill, you freak!”

In short, the idea that women getting a prescription for the pill are getting warnings about cancer and abortion from their doctor does not comport with reality.

And then there is the argument that an over-the-counter regime would increase the availability and therefore usage of contraception. Three years ago this would have been absolutely very persuasive. But the world has changed in the past year because contraception has become free by law, absolutely free for Americans with the cost born by you and me, non-contraceptors, in increased insurance premiums or even with our tax dollars, and also by Catholic schools, hospitals, and other employers against their will.

So, let’s start with facts on the ground. At 78 percent the US has nearly the highest use of contraceptives in the world. Add onto that the new Obamacare reality that contraceptives are now free for all, and then ask yourself whether having to pay for it over the counter—out of your own pocket, every month—as opposed to getting it for free will increase usage?

Go further and look at other countries where it is already over the counter. By logic, their rates should be substantially higher than our own. In China it is available without a prescription and without screening and their prevalence rate is only one point higher than ours. India also allows it without a doctor and without screening and their prevalence rate is 20 percent lower than ours. Brazil allows it over the counter and their rate is 1.5 percent higher than ours.

At best, it is unclear what over the counter would mean in terms of usage. This is further clouded by the new Obamacare reality that it is now 100 percent free for all.

And then there is the question of the abortifacient aspects of the every-day pill. And this is particularly difficult because I know I am going to be accused of soft-peddling abortion drugs. I am not. I am suggesting that our rhetoric sometimes does not precisely match reality.

Experts I have talked to in recent days are careful when they talk about such a connection. They say we believe the pill could in certain circumstances have the abortion effect but this cannot be proven since no studies have been done that show such an effect.

The certitude with which we speak about “abortifacient contraception” is at least challenged by the reality that it works that way in theory but most likely not often in practice.

Here is the very careful Catholic theologian Christopher Tollefson talking about the so-called morning after pill in a National Review story where he explains Catholic teaching on contraception:  “…Ella and Plan B, which are plausibly thought to work on occasion by preventing implantation of an embryo, i.e., by abortion.” Note his careful phrasing about drugs that are intended to stop pregnancy, “plausibly thought to work on occasion.” Experts say we can be even less certain when talking about the every day contraceptive pill.

None of this should be seen as an argument for over the counter availability of contraceptives. It is not. It is an argument against the notion that taking an over the counter approach is less Catholic or even anti-Catholic than the status quo, which is free contraception for all.

Lastly, there is the question of political prudence, which seems to be intrinsically sinful to some. I would note that the Catholic laymen who have made these arguments in the Northern Virginia Congressional race have in fact worked for politicians who either voted for or at least did not oppose a 26 percent increase in Title X Family Planning spending, that is, contraception funding with our tax dollars, during the presidency of George W. Bush. Maybe I missed it, but I do not recall any attacks on any Republicans who voted in favor during those years and I do not remember any religious jeremiads hurled at Catholic politicians then either.

So, everyone understands prudence as we move our issues forward.

It has always been understood that contraception is a divisive issue in the pro-life coalition and a losing one with the electorate at large, which I have shown is passionate about their contraception and, recent elections have shown, is quite willing to punish those who are thought to threaten its availability.

I spent the past days talking to many national evangelical leaders about the prospect of Catholics making contraception a political issue, of making contraception a litmus test during campaign season. Not one thought it was a good idea. Each one of them said it would divide Catholics and Evangelicals.

Evangelicals largely do not support the Catholic teaching on contraception. They stand with us on overt abortifacients. They are concerned, like we are, about the potentially abortifacient aspects of the regular pill. They stand with us on religious freedom and the funding of contraception. But they part company with us on the use of contraception and any effort to make contraception per se a political issue and doing so would come with a monumental political cost. For instance, any hope of ending abortion or protecting marriage could be lost in such a storm. This also is why our opponents and I would say the devil himself lick their chops at the possibility that we would make contraception a political issue.

So what are we to do? The political and social reality we live in does not change the teaching of the Church and neither does it change our responsibility to change that reality. But, if we are not going to fight on the electoral hill of contraception then what are we to do?

I say contraception is like Japan during World War II. It is the font of our present evils but we cannot go after it until the ground is prepared. We must island hop and strategically bomb but not invade, not yet anyway. In the coming weeks, I am gong to do some reporting on what others are doing to counter contraception’s advance and hope to learn for myself and then share with you some ideas on how we can stop this poison already pulsing through our country’s veins.

Austin Ruse

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Austin Ruse is president of C-FAM (Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute), a New York and Washington DC-based research institute focusing on international legal and social policy. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of C-FAM.

  • Objectivetruth

    Below, commentary on a 2006 meta analysis from The Mayo Clinic showing a link between oral contraceptives an an increased risk of breast cancer. The reputation of the Mayo Clinic is beyond reproach, and would not publish this unless they had thoroughly studied the issue. Forward it on to friends, family, loved ones. Warn them. Remember: society once turned a blind eye to the negative effects of cigarette smoking because we demanded our nicotine fix. The horrific truths of the pill must also be exposed:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061030143351.htm

    • joe bass

      How about the risks of a woman having a baby every year. Who is going to support them all? The Catholic church? Sure!! Besides, how many Catholics even follow their own rules? Do you see them with large families anymore. Not, since the pill arrived. Phony!!

      • TheAbaum

        ..

        • Nicolas Edwards

          Does not agree with you now equals payed shill. I know you have no proof on that because the right never has any prove on the crazy that leaves their mouth.

          • TheAbaum
            • Nicolas Edwards

              I don’t see how posting a right leaning European guys rant has any basis in fact. I don’t see what wiki has to do with your childish remarks. Your reaching all over the place just to make some kind of point that sticks with your reality. Have fun doing it.

              • TheAbaum

                You could have stopped at “I don’t see”.

                • Nicolas Edwards

                  That’s your reply. You don’t want to defend your position. Try to connect these two extremely unconnected things that you posted. Way to support what you post. Listen, was hoping you were an adult but can see that that is not the case.

                  • lifeknight

                    I like the grammar comment. My children picked up on the lack of grammar in the leftist post.

                    • Nicolas Edwards

                      Was not writing a paper to be published. Can’t find a defense, attack the grammer Ha.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Was not writing a paper to be published.

                      And never will.

                    • joe bass

                      Go home!!

                    • Objectivetruth

                      He’s home…..your the troll spending so much time on a Catholic website.

                    • joe bass

                      I was invited here by one of your catholic friends, so I can be here too. Besides, there is no disclaimer saying this is for catholics only. If it is, why are so many catholics disagreeing with you?

              • joe bass

                Do you mean this person doesn’t even live here and he’s telling us what to do??

            • lifeknight

              Wow! I missed all this yesterday! Go Abaum!

            • Kakistocrat

              I mock the “religious” “right” for funsies. Where do I apply to these non-profits for my money?

              • TheAbaum

                I mock people like you.

            • joe bass

              Hit home, didn’t it??

      • Objectivetruth

        Troll…….

        • joe bass

          Objective Truth? What a laugh!

          • Troll Control

            Target identified. Countermeasures deployed.

            • joe bass

              Does your mother know you are on her computer?

              • Objectivetruth

                Did you thank your mother for not contracepting you??

                • joe bass

                  No, I am one of 2 children in our family.

      • Art Deco

        What risks? Societies where contraceptive use is atypical are not composed of women ‘having a baby every year’. The tfr for Quebec prior to 1960 was about 4.0 children per woman per lifetime.

        • joe bass

          So, it’s average for every one woman to have 4 children? That’s at least 2 too many. Who pays for all this? We had financial difficulty caring properly for 2. If you want 4, adopt some!

          • TheAbaum

            “That’s at least 2 too many.”

            Who are you to decide that, troll?

            • joe bass

              I am one of the taxpayers who pays for these unwanted children. Who are you to say everyone should have four? Some should have NONE!

              • TheAbaum

                I’m all for you not polluting the gene pool.

                • joe bass

                  I believe you have already done that.

                  • TheAbaum

                    You can believe what you want about me, but you’ve deposed yourself before the world.

                    Of course, the more time you spend here, the less you direct your sociopathy against an unsuspecting world.

                    • joe bass

                      Translation into english, please.

                    • TheAbaum

                      No.

                      Do your own work. If you can’t keep up, buy a dictionary.

                      English as a formal name is capitalized.

                    • joe bass

                      Oh, I understand the words just fine, it’s the way they are put together. Only you can explain that. Or maybe not.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Whatever.

              • Objectivetruth

                “Unwanted children.”

                Is there any more of a satanic putting together of two words in the English language? Eh…..Screwtape?

                • joe bass

                  Everybody does not want to be parents. Are you meaning they have to, because you say so. Talk about Satan!!

            • joe bass

              Since I meant myself, I will decide that, not you. I’ll say again, Adopt some!

          • Objectivetruth

            You’re obviously one of those that believe paying for big flat screen TV’s, Hawaii vacations, and a high mortgage McMansion in the burbs to try and impress others is far more important than having money for a large family. Toys before kids……that seems to be your ideology.

            • joe bass

              You been following me around? I’ve never been to Hawaii, do not own a large TV, a McMansion (whatever that is). We rent. My 2 children are grown. Do you even realize that lots of young couples today are limiting the size of their families, so they can afford an education for the ones they have, or choose to have no children at all. Then, there are those who have large families they cannot afford, without welfare. Who is using their brain? If you love children so much, adopt some of those from the foster care system. We all know you are capable of having lots of kids. Does that make you special?? Anyone can bear children, that doesn’t mean they should procreate randomly. We treat our animals better than that!

              • Objectivetruth

                Why do you spend so much time on a Catholic website?

                • joe bass

                  Because I was invited here by one of your catholic friends, to show me how much her church has become intolerant and she is right. Sad.

                  • TheAbaum

                    Now that you’ve satisfied yourself, bye bye.

                    • joe bass

                      No, my friend wants me to stay, because she agrees with me and she is catholic. You object to that?

                    • TheAbaum

                      Fine with me. If you are busy here, you aren’t loosed upon society.

      • Objectivetruth

        Who says you’re being called to have a baby every year? You’re probably not being called to have any children.

        Obviously, from the sounds of your postings, the good Lord is calling you not to breed. You becoming a parent would be a huge mistake. please Remain celibate, you will be happier.

        My neighbor growing up had 13 kids, one every year. They have a family reunion every year where her 13 children show up with the 49 grandchildren and the 11 great grandchildren. Incredible joy.

        • joe bass

          How many food stamps and welfare checks were involved with the 13 children?? The Lord does not ‘call’ people to have children, that is a personal decision. I do not have to remain celibate, any children I would be having would be raised by the state as I would be long gone before they even started school. I do have several foster children, though. You probably shouldn’t do that, either, as you are obviously not parent material. That program has very strict requirements.

          • Art Deco

            Since they have 11 great-grandchildren, they were breeding a while ago. AFDC would be the ‘welfare’ program then into effect and it did not distribute benefits to married couples. As for food stamps, the mean distribution per household is $4,000 per annum.

            • joe bass

              11 households getting $4000, and then come the great-grandchildren. WOW, no wonder our government is broke. Then, those of us who chose to limit our families so we could care for them, keep up the irresponsible, just so they can have happy family reunions. Who said any of them were married?

              • Art Deco

                Did I miss the point where you established that the original household, their children, or their grandchildren were receiving food stamps?

                • joe bass

                  You did.

                  • Art Deco

                    The term ‘established’ does not mean what you think it means.

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour

    Between the two World Wars, Catholics in Europe were able to promote laws banning or restricting contraception by forming alliances with various nationalist movements, which were already strongly committed to increasing the birth-rate through a range of pro-natalist polices. In that context, contraception was denounced as one aspect of the decadence that was sapping the vitality of the nation. This was true, for example, in France in the 1920s and in Germany in the 1930s.

    Such movements largely died out in the period after WWII.

    • Objectivetruth

      And of course, the 1930 Anglican Council of Lambeth kicked the contraceptive door open. Things have slid downhill since.

    • ColdStanding

      Died out, yes, but from natural causes?

      I mean, what happened between the time before WWII and the time after WWII, that could have cause the change? Could it be, umm, maybe, I don’t know, WWII? What WWI didn’t finish, WWII did.

    • Publius

      “This was true, for example, in France in the 1920s and in Germany in the 1930s.”
      Are you seriously pointing to Nazi Germany in admiration on social policy?

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        Of course not. There were many nationalist groups who were not Nazis, but who were strongly pro-natalist, especially following the losses of young men in WWI. They were ready to form a common front with Catholics in opposing Birth Control.

  • thomistica

    A few questions.

    Has Comstock ever clarified to the public her views either on Humanae Vitae or on the abortifacient effects of contraception? Doesn’t she have an obligation to do so? And surely it is relevant to ask, since (a.) one’s views on these issues inevitably impact one’s poilcy recommendations, and (b.) one’s views on these issues carry philosophical assumptions that have relevance for other things one believes on a range of social policy issues.

    Regarding the abortifacient effects of contraception, who is the “they” in the assertion below, and what studies would “they” invoke to counter counter-arguments that such effects do exist? And even if there is a question here, why shouldn’t one be very wary of promoting policies in which such effects may occur? “They say we believe the pill could in certain circumstances have the abortion effect but this cannot be proven since no studies have been done that show such an effect.”

  • Edward Radler Rice

    And when their use of the pill fails as it inevitably does, where will they go to remedy their ailment?

    The pill has psychological and sociological abortifacient effects.
    Thus, OTC contraception leads to abortion.

    Most Catholics fail to recognize this fact. Most Catholic politician fall to recognize this fact.

    Do the Catholics running in the Northern Virginia race recognize this fact?

    • lizpop

      > The pill has psychological and sociological abortifacient effects.
      > Thus, OTC contraception leads to abortion.
      Has this ever been substantiated or is this just your opinion? Further – if the church’s teaching is the only thing that is relevant -why do you even give a damn about psychological and sociological abortifacient effects?

      • Objectivetruth

        Are you on oral contraceptives?

      • Edward Radler Rice

        The psychological framework behind the use of contraception mirrors that which is behind abortion.

        The sociological framework behind the use of contraception mirrors that which is behind abortion.

        Simply consider the historical fact that contraceptive use was legalized before the legalization of abortion.

        Popping the pill, lizpop, engenders an anti-life attitude, which is the precondition for abortion’s acceptance.

        Do the work yourself and search “psychological connection between contraception and abortion.”

        • Nicolas Edwards

          What part of crazy town are you from. Your argument is opinion. The way you look at it might be that way…… not others.

          • Edward Radler Rice

            I’m from that “part of crazy town” that 1) recognizes the power of human intercourse, 2) understands that sex should occur in a marriage between a man and a woman, and 3) realizes that procreation is one of the fundamental goods of sexual intercourse.

            Crazily, NE, you did not in any way refute what I had written.

            Apparently, for many practitioners and promoters, birth control does not simply shut down the power to procreate.

      • Edward Radler Rice

        Here’s an excerpt from:

        https://www.ewtn.com/library/PROLENC/ENCYC097.HTM

        Humanist psychologist Sigmund Freud, in a lecture entitled “The Sexual Life of Human Beings,” got to the core of the matter when he pointed out that the separation of procreation and sexual activity is the most basic of perversions, and that all sexual perversions are rooted in this philosophy;

        The abandonment of the reproductive function is the common feature of all perversions. We actually describe a sexual activity as perverse if it has given up the aim of reproduction and pursues the attainment of pleasure as an aim independent of it. So, as you will see, the breach and turning point in the development of sexual life lies in becoming subordinate to the purpose of reproduction. Everything that happens before this turn of events and equally everything that disregards it and that aims solely at obtaining pleasure is given the uncomplimentary name of “perverse” and as such is proscribed.[4]

        And, despite vigorous lobbying by Margaret Sanger, Mahatma Gandhi outlined the inevitable deleterious impacts of artificial contraception;

        Artificial methods [of contraception] are like putting a premium on vice. They make men and women reckless … Nature is relentless and will have full revenge for any such violation of her laws. Moral results can only be produced by moral restraints. All other restraints defeat the very purpose for which they are intended. If artificial [birth control] methods become the order of the day, nothing but moral degradation can be the result. A society that has already become enervated through a variety of causes will still become further enervated by the adoption of artificial [birth control] methods … As it is, man has sufficiently degraded women for his lust, and artificial [birth control] methods, no matter how well-meaning the advocates may be, will still further degrade her.[5]

      • Edward Radler Rice

        Truth is relevant. Psychology is concerned with the truth of the human person. The focus of sociology is the truth as well. Does the use of contraception benefit persons and societies?

  • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

    edited because I needed to read the next paragraph. This will be edited again in three minutes.

    • TheAbaum

      If they inherit the earth because they treat children as gifts to be welcomed, not as the unwelcome byproduct of the hedonistic exercise of one’s faculties- good for them.

      • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

        Exactly right. That is why they will inherit the earth, eventually.

        • theorist

          LoL, white people created civilization, then civilization conquered white people, now brown people will conquer white people.

  • ForChristAlone

    What about all those hormones that are emptied into our rivers and waterways? What do pro-environment politicians think about this?

    • ForChristAlone

      ….This cannot be healthy for the snail darter and other living things…

      • tamsin

        hoist by their own petards!

      • lizpop

        The environmental impact of unchecked human births far outweigh the environmental impact of contraceptive pills. Where is you sense of proportion? What real concern do you have for the snail darter?

        • TheAbaum

          Oh goody, Thomas Malthus has decided to grace us with his presence.

        • Objectivetruth

          Define “unchecked human births”, could ya please, Maggie Sanger?

          • Athena Pythia Axiom

            In the Rio Grande Valley in Texas after health clinics had their funding (not just family planning or abortion services but all health) pulled left only 1 out of 4 clinics still opened and that was before the newest round of law changes. There’s almost nothing left.
            This has lead to 30,000 new births in 2 years in the area around 2 cities that are listed as the poorest in the nation.
            This is just the result of limiting family planning. Women who die of cervical cancer in the area is 2 times the national rate.
            Shame on anyone who thinks they have a right to push their religious dogma on anyone.

            • TheAbaum

              What is it you are peddling?

              • Athena Pythia Axiom

                Did you have issues reading? Facts. It’s a fact that there are 30,000 new lives suffering in crushing poverty because the women could not get birth control and still had to please their husbands. It’s a fact that women are dying at higher rates due to cervical cancer.

                • TheAbaum

                  The crushing poverty I’m immediately concerned with is your moral and intellectual bankruptcy. One of the risk factors for cervical cancer is sexual activity which allows the spread of HPV, the very thing the pill allows.

                  Liar.

                  http://www.webmd.com/cancer/cervical-cancer/cervical-cancer-topic-overview

                  • Athena Pythia Axiom

                    One of, not all as you pointed out.
                    These clinics also had condoms for free, take as many as you can and also had worked to educate people on what the pill does and doesn’t do. I’m sure HPV has spiked even more so without them.
                    Not a liar. Thanks for playing.

                    • TheAbaum

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      Aws… how sweet.

                    • TheAbaum

                      ..

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      …..

                    • TheAbaum

                      Check your email.

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      I did. Was there something I should have seen?

                    • Troll Control

                      Target Identified. Countermeasures deployed.

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      Come join us on “Barack Obama’s Shewolf Army” you bring the chips- we’ll supply the dip and goats. Mmkay?

                  • joe bass

                    Not true!! Are you saying that everybody who uses the pill is promiscous?? Speak for yourself!

                    • TheAbaum

                      I never said it was, try to follow, Private.

                    • joe bass

                      Yes, you did, and I’m sure you are. that’s why you are so paranoid. Does the church approve of this?

                    • TheAbaum

                      Too bad you can’t read. .

                      “One of the risk factors for cervical cancer is sexual activity which allows the spread of HPV, the very thing the pill allows.”

                    • joe bass

                      Sexual activity between the same 2 people does not cause STD’S. Promiscuity does, which I assume is why you know so much about it.

                • Maria

                  You believe the answer to crushing poverty is murder and immorality? Do the women who have abortions and their families ever ascend out of crushing poverty? Wouldn’t your real agenda be to exterminate the poor? If you are so invested, as many religious are, in assisting the poor, go and feed, teach, house, clothe, love and live with them. Your life will be better for it rather than preaching a final solution for poverty.

                  • Athena Pythia Axiom

                    I think the answer to crushing poverty is investing in that area in education, sex education, health care and jobs. Not just to write them off as mooches after making sure they give birth. Expecting people to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps when they don’t even own boots is insulting and petty.
                    Who said I wasn’t religious? I am, I’m just no longer Christian.
                    I work in the rust belt of America. Plenty of people to help here but I feel a concern for all the folks who have been left high and dry by the “trickle” effect of Republican politics.

                    • Maria

                      You and Art Deco are dodging the question. When you preach abortion as a solution, you preach extermination, not compassion. No one on this thread called the poor “mooches”. You did. Tears are not running down my cheeks for the empty abortion clinic. Where is your head?

                    • Art Deco

                      Madam, I am not advocating what you fancy I am advocating.

                    • Maria

                      My apologies.

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      I would love it all unplanned pregnancies were stopped it would drive the number of abortions to a very, very low number. In fact in places where they start comprehensive sex education and have easy access to birth control the rate of unplanned pregnancies drop 60%.
                      My head? Mostly for the last few hours with my kids and my hubby.
                      See ya later.

                    • Maria

                      You never answer or attend. It would be comic if life and death were not at issue. You behave as if you can speak “authoritatively” and then throw it all over your shoulder just as you please. Incredible immaturity and irresponsibility, but then you are advocating for elective murder.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      So if your husband lost his job, couldn’t find a new one, and you were essentially then in a state of poverty, which one of your kids (or maybe several of them) would you have wished you contracepted and weren’t here?

                    • joe bass

                      thank you, Athena. Yes, education is the answer, not just having 13 children!!

                  • joe bass

                    Is this discussion about contraception or about abortion? Big difference, unless you are one of those ‘God speaks to”! Where does ‘immorality’ fit into this? Is using contraceptions immoral?

                    • Maria

                      Contraceptives and abortion are intimately related. If you engage in sexual intercourse with the expectation of avoiding pregnancy, when your contraceptive fails you will want abortion to remedy the consequences. The consequences of sexual intercourse are a human child. That is simple. That is also why there are more than a million abortions every year in the US alone. Contraceptives do not make abortion disappear. The expectations of contraceptives are false. You accept more than a million abortions as necessary. You can say that thousands of women did not use contraceptives. You can say that thousands used them badly or that those particular contraceptives were faulty. You can say that a small number of these abortions were not the result of failure to use contraceptives or contraceptive failure, but for “health concerns” or the decision to abort a child with foetal anomalies. Whatever you say, you are accepting abortion along with contraceptives. You are accepting the spread of disease because hormonal contraceptives make women prone to STDs not only because of promiscuity, but because they make her tissues thin like the tissues of an old woman, they tear and admit pathogens that cause disease during intercourse.

                    • joe bass

                      I am NOT and did not say I was in favor of abortion. You are putting words in other people mouths. Not all contraceptive failures result in abortion. I don’t agree with abortion, but it is legal, according to our supreme court and you have no right to deny access to anything legal, just because of ‘your’ religion. FREEDOM OF RELIGION!! I’m also against marijuana, but if it’s made legal, I will not disagree with it. YOU do not make the laws. MY religion says, as long as you do no harm to anyone else, do what you will. Would you want that to be the law of the land because I say so? Of course not. FREEDOM OF RELIGION!! Yes, I am accepting abortion, for those who want them, because it is the law! The Supreme Court trumps YOUR religion any day! You CANNOT force your religious beliefs on someone else. Even Athiests have their rights!! You want to change the law, run for congress! Your medical info about hormonal contraceptives is so far out, it is funny. Are you a doctor, or did your church give you this info? I think I know the answer. I you are against contraception, don’t use it. If you are against abortion, don’t have one. Simple.

                    • Maria

                      My information about hormonal contraceptives is the simple truth. Many things that have been legal both in the US and abroad are no longer legal. Both contraceptives and abortion do certain harm. Your arguments are paper tigers as they violate your very thin principles. Yelling on paper that I have violated your rights in a calm discourse does nothing to advance an empty argument.

                    • joe bass

                      Abortion and contraception are NOT religious issues, they are legal and medical issues. They do no harm to you if you don’t use them. Nobody says you have to. ALL your arguements are your personal opinions and we do not have to agree. When and if these things become illegal here, then you can argue. Until then, maybe you could adher to YOUR principles and leave the rest of us alone?

                    • Maria

                      Alas for you, joe bass, you cannot convince any alert mind by merely dismissing arguments that are both rational and empirical as “opinions”. I did not seek you out. You addressed me and several others here.

                    • joe bass

                      What harm has your contraception use and abortion use brought to you?

                • Art Deco

                  What’s wrong with 30,000 children being born?

                  • Athena Pythia Axiom

                    Ask yourself what’s wrong with 30,000 hungry kids being born when foodstamps and assistance have been reduced. Really? What a charmer you are.

                    • Art Deco

                      You’ve stolen several bases there.

                      1. You’ve cited nothing that would substantiate your demographic statistics.

                      2. There is no reason to believe these children will be ‘hungry’. Fertility rates in 1957 were 3/4 again what they are today, but malnutrition was not much of a social problem.

                      3. People do not live their lives in a moment. They have bad years and cope through them. Your’s is the equivalent of counseling suicide.

                      4. Even if I were ever charming, I would never waste it on you. I critique fools and knaves. I do not charm them.

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      1. http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2013/may/21/texas-border-counties-medicaid.aspx
                      2. You can’t get WIC usually unless you have medicaid. If medicaid is overburdened then they can’t take on new folks.
                      3. Clearly you’ve never lived on $2 a day and thought of eating food left on a table. You live moment to moment and day to day.
                      4. Sarcasm is clearly a waste on you.

                    • Art Deco

                      Whether I’ve lived on two dollars a day or not, per capita income in this country is more than double what it was in 1957, people have fewer children, but then as now malnutrition is not a systematic social problem.

                    • joe bass

                      Income might be doubled, but Cost of Living has tripled. Give that story about malnutrition not being a problem to the people who can’t feed their children! Glad to see I’m not the only one who thinks you are a know-it-all. ‘Have more children and then watch them go hungry, is that your theory? God will solve it, just have faith. (in case, you do not recognize sarcasm, that was it!!

                    • Art Deco

                      All discussions of this sort make reference to real incomes, not nominal incomes. Nominal personal income per capita has increased 21 fold since 1957.

                    • joe bass

                      If my income has increased 21 fold since 1957, where is it? I should be living on some tropical island!

                    • TheAbaum
                    • Objectivetruth

                      Agree there, Maggie! Lets get in there and forcibly sterilize those subhuman Mexicans! I always hated tacos anyway!

                    • TheAbaum

                      Have you thought about sacrifing yourself?

                      Surely if you weren’t eating, two children could.

                • Art Deco

                  How do you know they are in ‘crushing poverty’?

                  • Athena Pythia Axiom

                    Did you even read the article you posted?
                    “The counties that make up the Rio Grande Valley are among the very poorest in the United States, and TxPEP research estimates that two-thirds of those 275,000 women are “in need of subsidized contraceptive services.” But two years ago, conservative state legislators drastically reduced funding for long-acting reversible contraceptive methods like intrauterine devices (IUDs)and implants, and now Valley residents often have to decide between buying a $30 pack of birth control pills or putting food on the table for their families.”

                    • Art Deco

                      Among the ‘poorest’. Sister, the poorest state in the union is Mississippi. Mississippi comprehends about 1% of the population of the United States. The personal income per capita is about 27% below national means, all the way down there with such benighted and suffering loci as … New Zealand.

                      “In need of”?? And who defines ‘needs’? Some social work agency which needs clientele to justify their grant hustling.

                      Why should the State of Texas be providing contraceptives? Contraceptives are not a public good nor are they distributed through dysfunctional markets, so why the state intervention? If you want these people to have rubbers, buy them yourself.

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      1. Brownsville-Harlingen, Texas
                      > Median household income: $30,953
                      > Population: 415,557 (125th highest)
                      > Unemployment rate: 10.5% (37th highest)
                      > Poverty rate: 36.10% (the highest)

                      2. Dalton, Ga.
                      > Median household income: $32,858
                      > Population: 142,751 (87th lowest)
                      > Unemployment rate: 11.5% (20th highest)
                      > Poverty rate: 21.6% (46th highest)

                      3. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, Texas
                      > Median household income: $33,761
                      > Population: 806,552 (67th highest)
                      > Unemployment rate: 11.0% (28th highest)
                      > Poverty rate: 34.5% (2nd highest)

                      It’s proven that in areas where there is a combined effort to educate on not only the RISKS of pregnancy but the burdens and life changes that happen when you have a baby and provide contraceptives you decline the need for abortions, adoptions or maternal health.
                      There have actually been declines across the board for years now in not only unplanned pregnancies and abortions but teens are waiting to have sex.
                      This is a good thing. It’s fine that you want to teach people the natural way but you don’t get a say in the CHOICES anyone makes and limiting that choice is wrong.
                      Why should Texas? Well if Texas doesn’t want a baby boom (oops too late) and a continued further burden on it’s already fragile system then they should restore services to people.
                      I’m not pro-abortion, I’m pro-choice and despite what you say, there’s a difference.

                    • Art Deco

                      Sister, the five metropolitan areas along the Rio Grande (McAllen, Tx,, Brownsville, Tx, Laredo, Tx, El Paso, Tx, and Albuquerque, NM have a personal income per capita of between 49% and 81% of national means. Personal income per capita has doubled since 1972 and has increased by 25% since 1998. I can assure you we were not that hard up in 1972.

                      I have no idea what you fancy you are alluding to when you say ‘It’s proven that…”. The historical experience of this country is adequately demonstrative. There was a 17 fold increase in the frequency of abortion over the period running from 1966 to 1983. We went from a state where 3% of the children were born out of wedlock (in 1960) to a state where 40% were born out of wedlock (as of now). Neither of these catastrophes had their origins in a deficit of social work boondoggles.

                    • Art Deco

                      This is a good thing. It’s fine that you want to teach people the
                      natural way but you don’t get a say in the CHOICES anyone makes and
                      limiting that choice is wrong.

                      What’s amusing is the complete collapse of the notion of personal agency in your addled head. You fancy your ‘choices’ have been taken away because the State of Texas is not paying for your contraceptives (or for Miss Shnookette, MSW to ‘counsel’ you).

                    • Objectivetruth

                      You’re right Maggie Sanger…..I believe you also agreed with infanticide for the poor. Maybe time for you and your pals to go in and kill off all of these poor children that according to your warped ethics, never should have existed.

                    • Maria

                      They do have a much healthier alternative. NFP. Packs of birth control pills are timed self-destructive poison packets. Let’s put food on the table for the children and I and many others will be willing to provide apps that will help them to regulate themselves according to fertility. The benefits that accompany these poisonous hormonal cocktails you promote are cancer, vascular disease and heart attacks waiting to happen. This is not pro-woman, pro-family or pro-child. Truly educating women on what is beneficial for health is not necessarily the party line you toe. You are so convinced of the cornucopia of devices, drugs and also so indulged in the contempt you have for the intelligence and capacity of “poor” women to learn to exercise common sense, you are willing to destroy their health and well being and the lives of their families. That doesn’t sound very compassionate or caring to me.

                • musicacre

                  You’re throwing cervical cancer in there, trying to associate it with pregnancy? Seriously? Hoping to confuse readers? Guess I should have it by now; I’ve had 7 pregnancies. Cervical cancer is from HPV which is from having multiple sex partners. A clinic can’t prevent women from having cervical cancer; they have to decide to stop being promiscuous themselves. No one can save them but themselves. It’s called free will.

                • Objectivetruth

                  Once again…you need to change the picture next to your name! The original suffragettes were very anti birth control, anti abortion.

                  Just be honest and put a picture of Margaret Sanger up next to your name! She’s your hero!

              • Art Deco
                • Athena Pythia Axiom

                  Yes.

            • Martha

              Cervical cancer is from sexual promiscuity. Just sayin’.

              • Athena Pythia Axiom

                You were one of those “Aids is a plague from God” folks aren’t you?

                • Art Deco

                  You mix up your tenses, don’t you?

                  You know, when you disregard natural law, it has consequences. A precis of Robert Mapplethorpe’s extracurriculars makes that rather clear.

                • Maria

                  Reply to the statement. Artificial hormonal birth control makes the cervix and endometrium more receptive to pathology, less capable of resisting infection and lowers the immune system response to venereal disease. It interferes with the mucosa barrier. It thins the tissue and invites rupture. Promiscuity is objectively unhealthy because of the disease vector. It frustrates me that your approach is so utterly unreasoning and yet so simperingly superior because you have bought into it without any real analytical thought. Blaming everything on religion is just childish, the new classroom bully attitude.

                  • joe bass

                    WOW!! What a lot of fancy words to say nothing!

                    • Maria

                      You just don’t want to understand. You have accepted the idea that women should harm or even kill themselves to achieve infertility and want them to continue doing it. Taking a drug with all these adverse effects to avoid becoming pregnant is madness. If the method fails, you are willing to kill the unborn child. There is nothing fancy about these words. They say a lot about our culture and the value we have for human life and women’s dignity. Portraying yourself as a compassionate human being is impossible if you acknowledge the truth about contraceptives and abortion. You also are using the classroom bully attitude, but it doesn’t really work on paper. It makes you look foolish.

                    • joe bass

                      Abortion was not discussed on this subject until YOU brought it up. It is legal and YOU have no right to an opinion for anybody but yourself. Follow the Catholic church, if you wish, that is your right. You DO NOT have the right to say I should follow it. I do not want you to follow MY church’s teachings, unless you want to. Ever heard of freedom of religion?? You are correct, I DO NOT want to understand your church, that is not for you to say!

                    • Maria

                      First of all, you are reading an article in a Catholic magazine and no one forced you to. Second, I gave no religious argument. My original comment was to Mr. Ruse. My subsequent comments had no religious content. I could give you psychological, social and more medical arguments about the consequences of the contraceptive mentality, but those are long and have been done much better than I could do them elsewhere. Why are you on this comment thread? Contraceptives are not good for women, not for their bodily health, emotional or psychological well-being or their relationships with men. Abortion follows.

                    • joe bass

                      Of course, you consider this a ‘catholic’ magazine, so you know you have a captive audience. So, you are only talking to catholics. If they are truly catholics, you would not need to. Watch out, the catholic church is finally changing! If this is strictly a ‘catholic magazine, why was the link in my newsfeed? I did not ask for it. FREEDOM OF RELIGION!!

                    • Maria

                      Links show up on your feed because they may interest you because of your past activities and you can choose to follow those links or not. Go to the top of this page and read the description of this e-magazine. I am not seeking an audience. At this moment, I am answering you because you intentionally engaged me in dialogue, or what passes for dialogue in your crowd. The Catholic Church is changeless in terms of objective moral issues. Printing “freedom of religion” in caps does not constitute a rebuttal of any argument proposed.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      I’m assuming you’re an atheist? Why do you spend so much time on Catholic websites?

                    • joe bass

                      Because I was invited. Never assume anything!

                    • TheAbaum

                      Invitations can be declined, but you just can’t leave. Why is that, Private?

                    • joe bass

                      Maybe I don’t wish to decline the invitation of a friend. Who are you to say? Are you the owner of this site? Dude.

                    • TheAbaum

                      No I don’t want you to leave. If you are busy begging to know why I called you “dude”, and posting here, we’re doing a public service by keeping you busy.

                    • joe bass

                      The Crisis, VOICE of the faithful. Is this you? What are you doing here? I’m here because I was invited and am a subscriber. I shall have to check and see if the publishers gave you the right to kick anyone out, after insulting them, because they are not Catholic.

                    • TheAbaum

                      It may not be me, but it’s definitely not you.

                    • joe bass

                      Sorry, I WANT everyone to stay. Especially you, since you provide the comic relief. Oh, I KNOW you are not Catholic, youre a troll and everyone can see it. Have your fun.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Whatever, dude.

                    • joe bass

                      Whatever, dude.

                    • richado

                      All the evidence discussed was epidemiological. What’s your problem? Clearly, it’s your Christophobia.

                    • joe bass

                      If I don’t believe in your religion, I have ‘christophobia”? What is a ‘closed mind’ called? Do you actually know how many good people in this world do not believe as you do, even some who profess to be devout catholics. Going to be awfully lonely there in heaven, with only you!

                    • richado

                      Well, I certainly don’t believe in your religion. Closed mind? As they say in the school yard it takes one to know one- but in your case it’s true.
                      And where did I say I was a devout catholic? You like to demonize = you must be a vacuous liberal. And also you profess to know my eternal future- you must be god and know all. I am in awe…This exchange proves one thing to me- ignorance is NOT bliss.

                    • joe bass

                      Which dictionary did that word come out of. It didn’t come from the bible.

                    • richado

                      Are sure you know how to use a dictionary? A bible isn’t a dictionary- you’re looking in the wrong place.

                    • Marc

                      An argument against abortion can be made without reference to religion. There is more to the pro-life argument than a “Thou Shalt Not.” It is not a sectarian debate. The morality of an act cannot be dictated solely by its legality. Many examples come to mind of laws that failed to uphold human dignity; fortunately they were opposed by people of conscience and were consigned to the dustbin of history. You are free to defend abortion if you please; we are free to fight against it if we so choose; and we do.

                    • richado

                      It’s willful and flippant ignorance like yours that results in people dying of STDs. Ever heard of epidemiology? Thinking is hard work and clearly you haven’t tried.
                      These are scientific realities and facts. Reality bites.

                    • joe bass

                      STD’S come from promiscous sex with multiple partners. does that worry you, it doesn’t me.

                    • richado

                      So we all must lower ourselves to your level of baseness and mediocrity before you’ll be happy. Because you are the center of the universe and it has to be all about you.
                      Btw have you ever experienced the suffering and death of people who had some STDs? People you know who died from AIDs for example..?
                      You believe others should pay for your promiscuous habits.

                    • TheAbaum

                      “fancy” = unlike Bo, joe don’t know.

                • Objectivetruth

                  You’re one of those Sanger followers that believe blacks and Mexicans are subhuman and need to be sterilized, aren’t you?

                • richado

                  The vector of transmission for AIDs, known since the early 1980s, promiscuous homosexual carnality. The west coast bathhouses etc. And still is. Uganda was almost devastated by AIDsin the 80s and 90s.

                  Read Randy Shilts book,”And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic.” And pay attention to the section of Gaetan Dugas, Patient Zero. Randy Shilts was gay and died himself of AIDs. So it wasn’t written by a “AIDs is plague from God” folk.

              • joe bass

                Not true!!

              • richado

                Big pharma is making big bucks from the effects of sexual promiscuity- eg.HPV vaccine.

            • Objectivetruth

              You make no sense.

              So, children are a source of poverty? Possibly, these people had planned on having this many children and whether a clinic closes or not really has absolutely no relationship to how many children are propagated?

              And you do realize children (if necessary due to a families economic/financial situation) can be spaced naturally? Because our “religious dogma” acknowledges that the good Lord in His wisdom gave us the ability to discern fertile and non fertile days in a woman’s cycle (which in His infinite wisdom, is also what He created and planned.)

              • Athena Pythia Axiom

                Are you a man or a woman? Are you married? Especially in the Hispanic culture which is already nostrils deep in the Church a woman is supposed to submit to her husband and trying to tell him about fertile days when all he wants is his relief from a long day… yeah I’d rather they were on some form of BC.
                (and for the record- I am a woman, married on using an IUD which has solved my severe and long lived with pain better then the pill ever has)
                As for Cancer risks:
                “A recent analysis of data from the Nurses’ Health Study, which has been following more than 116,000 female nurses who were 24 to 43 years old when they enrolled in the study in 1989 (3), found that the participants who used oral contraceptives had a slight increase in breast cancer risk. However, nearly all of the increased risk was seen among women who took a specific type of oral contraceptive, a “triphasic” pill, in which the dose of hormones is changed in three stages over the course of a woman’s monthly cycle.

                Because the association with the triphasic formulation was unexpected, more research will be needed to confirm the findings from the Nurses’ Health Study. Overall, however, the risks of endometrial andovarian cancer appear to be reduced with the use of oral contraceptives.”

                • TheAbaum

                  Someone needs to get your husband a copy of “Taming of the Shrew”.

                  • Athena Pythia Axiom

                    I quoted it to him in bed once to get back at him for quoting SVU creep lines. We have fantastic senses of humor.

                    • TheAbaum

                      I’d marry Lorena Bobbit before you.

                    • Guest

                      Well, isn’t Lorena the lucky one?

                    • Objectivetruth

                      If you are on contraceptives, how does it feel walking around all day essentially chemically neutered, sterilized?

                    • TheAbaum

                      As much as your husband isn’t.

                    • Athena Pythia Axiom

                      Lorena would be doing us all a favor.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Took you 9 days to come up with that or did I have 9 days free rent in your head?

                • Objectivetruth

                  You’re postings are nothing less than that of Margaret Sanger and eugenics. You (not so subtlety) agree with Sanger’s bigotry that the Mexican people essentially need to be sterilized by high and mighty “progressive” people like yourself. You look at them as subhuman, no less than the Nazi’s looked at the Jews in the 1930’s. you are a follower of Margaret Sanger, nothing less.

                  As far as cancer, read my postings on the recent findings from the Mayo Clinic and India. And why are oral contraceptives classified as class 1 carcinogens? Use common sense….by having a woman with normal, healthy estrogen levels flooded with high levels of a chemical based estrogen, do you really think that’s a good thing for her?

                  • Athena Pythia Axiom

                    Thanks for putting words into my mouth. I don’t agree with eugenics not even if they produce the Kwisatz Haderach (Dune)!
                    We live in a world where over population is a REAL thing. We don’t need extra sons for farming and armies. You can if you want but if you want a small family, one you can afford, it’s better to use family planning.
                    Here’s some info from Cancer.Com:

                    Estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives >>>(combined)<<< (Note: There is also convincing evidence in humans that these agents confer a protective effect against cancer in the endometrium and ovary)

                    Also listed?
                    Outdoor air pollution
                    Sunlight

                    Note they said "combined" and the other data I've already repeated.

                • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

                  Relief from a long day? Try a massage rather than sex. Or maybe, gasp, actually feed him dinner and care for him.

            • joe bass

              Athena, you are correct, but you are wasting your time on ‘Objectivetruth’ because he just doesn’t care about anything but what ‘God’ whispers into his ear.

              • Objectivetruth

                What the Church whispers in my ears, which is the voice box of Christ on earth.

                • joe bass

                  And the ‘church’ is never wrong. Right? Poor brainwashed soul. Do you ever have an original thought?

                • Lucky

                  It’s positively orgasmic.

        • 1776Mariner

          Hey lizpop, do a search on “birth dearth” or ” demography as destiny” and you will see that ZPG is one of the greatest frauds in history. We are only beginning to see its fruits and it is not a pretty sight. May heaven help us all.

      • joe bass

        I will not give my pills to the ‘snail darters’.

    • Jhawk77

      Do a search on “effects of the pill on frogs” and you’ll find plenty of reading, articles you’ll not see in the New York Time.

      • joe bass

        I will be sure and not give my pills to my frogs.

        • Jhawk77

          Those stupid frogs will eat anything!

    • Freya Vanir

      We can worry about that when people start worrying about what the oil and gas companies are doing to the water.

  • Reasonable_Opinion

    If there is another politician running for the office who has policy positions closer to the heart of the Church, they should be supported. This is where the true “prudential judgment” for Catholics enters the public square.

    • kmk

      Who/where arethey?

    • joe bass

      NOBODY should run for any political with any kind of religious agenda. Some of us are Athiests, which is also legal.

  • Jhawk77

    The pill will likely be (or, perhaps is) the downfall of our culture. Satan and his minions have been rejoicing for decades.

    • don Pavao

      This barbaric culture that sacrifices children and the sick,promotest all kind of perversions is not worth saving.

      Her downfall should be celebrated and not mourn.

  • thomistica

    Mr. Ruse,

    What of this claim in the following article, from lifesitenews? What if the numbers are half or a third what Colliton says they are? Isn’t it still shocking?

    Consider, too, the number of abortions that occur when non-abortifacient contraception “fails”, and what this suggests about the close relationship between contraception and use of abortion as a back up to contraception. That is in addition to the number of abortions caused directly by abortifacient contraceptions.

    I’m frankly disappointed by the lack of attention paid to all considerations like these, even in the pro-life community, which has been stunningly cavalier about how closely intertwined are the contraceptive and abortion issues.

    From

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/setting-out-into-the-deep-a-pharmacists-hard-choice-after-discovering-the-p

    “The last document that made Michael “unbelievably uncomfortable” was “The Birth Control Pill: Abortifacient and Contraceptive,” an article written by Dr. William F. Colliton Jr., an obstetrician-gynecologist and former American Life League board member.5 “The
    document talks about the number of lives that have been lost to abortifacient contraceptives. He goes through the math, talks about breakthrough pregnancies, and boils it down to over 1.8 million lives lost to contraceptives annually in the US. That is a larger number than is lost to procured abortion [about 1.2 million annually],” Michael
    pointed out.”

    • Publius

      How can a life that never existed be lost? For instance, how does the prevention of the intermingling of sperm and egg by means of a physical barrier (condom, diapraghm) result in a lost life?

      • thomistica

        My point concerned lives that exist, or may exist.
        But there are objections against non-abortifacient contraceptives as well.

        • Publius

          I may have conflated your comment with others that I have seen here, regarding non-abortifacient contraceptives resulting in the “loss of souls”. Is the idea that there is an unlimited supply of souls that must be tapped and brought to earth through sexual intercourse resulting in childbirth? I had the impression that God instead imbues the unborn child with a soul upon conception. I am genuinely ignorant of the theology on this point. By way of context, I plainly understand why abortion is an intrinsic moral evil.

      • Objectivetruth

        It’s all about God’s will and intent. We’ll never know how many children God willed or intended for the world, because we put a barrier in place (contraception) that puts a full stop to His will and plans.

        • TheAbaum

          And that’s why the collateral damage/unintended arbortifacient consequences are but one reason the contraceptive mentality is wrong.

        • Lizpop

          We will never know how many orangutans God willed or intended because humans are putting a barrier between orangutans and their habitat.

          • lizpop

            You stupid people need to bow down to the dictates of my Church.

          • TheAbaum

            Looks like I was wrong, not Mr. Malthus.. just a..

          • George Taylor

            “Take your stinkin’ paws off me, you damn dirty ape!”

          • Objectivetruth

            Agreed. Take King Kong, for example. Chained up, biplanes firing on him…..horrible.

        • Michael Paterson-Seymour

          Objectivetruth

          Scripture says, “Whatsoever the Lord pleased He hath done, in heaven, in earth.” [Ps 134:6]

          St Thomas explains, “Whatever God wills absolutely, is done (otherwise He would not be omnipotent), although what He wills antecedently (or only conditionally) may not be done,” for in this instance God permits the opposite evil for the sake of a greater good; thus He wills antecedently that all the fruits of the earth come to maturity, but He permits that many actually do not reach this maturity. It is similar in the matter of the salvation of men. [ST Ia, q. 19, a. 6 ad I]

  • Cherie Guelker

    From the issuance of Humanae Vitae to the present there has been widespread dissent regarding the use of the pill among Catholic theologians, professors, and priests. No wonder that the vast majority of Catholics use contraception. Education regarding the Church’s teaching about contraception has been almost non-existent. Very few priests have had the courage to preach against contraception for fear of emptying their pews. Now, when we know that the pill has the potential for preventing implantation, magnifying the evil of using it, we are being advised to continue to exercise restraint. We must be pragmatic and not censure Catholic politicians for voting for legislation that makes it easier to obtain the pill. This pragmatism is a pact with the devil and will only further undermine Catholic teaching. We must stand firm.

  • C

    Contraception is a no, or not yet, to life. True, it is likely temporary in the minds of most people but it is still part, if not the keystone, of the culture of death. The future harm it can bring will cause families to shudder one day should they be among the unlucky. They will ask why they weren’t warned. Just like cigarettes, it should be exposed and opposed for the same reasons. Losing a two year congressional seat should not trump alerting women to the dangers of the pill.

    • Nicolas Edwards

      boogie men don’t scare adults. Grown up.

      • C

        I agree, boogie men shouldn’t scare adults. But cancer in a women at an age when her children depend on her, should. Be aware of the possibility.

      • Troll Control

        Target Identified. Countermeasures Deployed.

  • Paul Schumann

    We should really try to get the environmentalists on board for this issue… Do they value limiting the number of new humans more than the side-effects oral contraceptives have on the environment?

    • pan25th

      Yes. Read Paul Murtaugh before you form an opinion.

  • Maria

    Mr. Ruse,
    You have done great work, but you are hedging here. Going part of the way with an evil is a trap. That we can operate through crooked means to accomplish our “noble” ends is also a sin. It is presumption. In attempting to illicitly employ the cleverness of the serpent, we would certainly be losing the innocence of the dove.

    • lifeknight

      Great comment, Maria. I am in total agreement. Compromise the Truth and you lose it.

    • joe bass

      What???

  • peggy

    I disagree ,, the pill also helps women like myself with periods and helps regulate my hormones , I think men shouldn’t make choices on women’s health because they have no idea what women go through or how their health really works ,, nor do they care they to are moving their agendas to punish and not tell women the truth just like the politicians ,. only women should make choices for women cause they know what it means to be a women and give birth , menstrual cycles , breast issues ,, hormone change , menopause and other issues , give it a rest ,, god doesn’t want women to give birth to 20 children she cant afford, and by the way why isn’t the churches concerned with making men more god like and responsible the way god intended . huh ?????

    • TheAbaum

      Hackneyed Cliches and tired canards. Check.
      Run on sentences, single word sentences. Check.
      Improper punctuation. Check.

      We apparently have a……

      • Objectivetruth

        Bingo…….!

      • joe bass

        Cute, Mr. Grammar Police.

        • TheAbaum

          Why thank you.

    • ForChristAlone

      peggy, peggy, peggy…my, my, my

    • musicacre

      LOTS of men know that stuff….we’re in the 21st CENTURY!!!! My husband for one, teaches NFP He can teach you how your body works, ( Like Dr. Lyn Billings says, “Every woman deserves to know how here body works.”) Instead of you purchasing a pill to shut own your hormones, because that is what happens. You shut down, and become an 80 year old woman temporarily. In facet, all the crypts in the cervix hat contain the mucous that transpots the sperm become dried up, like a 90-year old. Many women take years after the pill to get fertile again, if EVER. There is a part of the “cycle” of those pills where they bring on a false period. It isn’t a real one and the “homones” are synthetic They are partly manufactured from the pee of horses.YUCK!!!!! That’s dis–gusting,…as my teenager daughter would say. I’d day you were sold a bill of goods, we all want someone to pat our hand and give a quick solution when we’re wearied and bowed out from thinking clearly. But let’s not choose s path that is based on deception. I can’t tell you hhow many of the mogther sI used to know from my kids’ skating lessons have died in their forties, many recent jby the way. All from breast cancer. Very shocking but real when you attend funerals. People!! You need to wake up from the is dream that a pill can solve every issue: husband lack of control, (if he doesn’t have it, he’ll probably have an affair with his secrete anyways,) live-in boyfriends that don’t want you to get preggie so he has to grow up, etc etc. My husband has a client who went the pill for hot flashes and she told him she had cancer within the year .The doc told her to go off the pill (he knew) and after her treatment she was fine, thanks be to God. But she had a close call,wanting to have a quick fix for her normal symptoms.
      So don’t continue to “punish” yourself out of ignorance; stop listening to the commercials and get REAL info on how your body works….you’re not sick, you don’t need a dangerous pill.

      • Nicolas Edwards

        Men know only what we are told. Let the women decide.

        • Art Deco

          Decide what?

      • Barry Penobscott

        Exactly! Why would any woman want to go to her doctor and say, “my body’s functioning perfectly as designed, please give me a pill to make it stop.” Natural law, anyone?

    • lifeknight

      It will also “help” you get breast cancer.

    • Art Deco

      You need to sober up before you post again.

  • Cheri Duplisea Taylor

    Not only do doctors tell their patients the risks (abortion is not one of them) they steer people who need to avoid them away from hormonal contraceptives. They can cause strokes, especially if you smoke. There is a very small incidence of breast cancer from using the pill…and even that hasn’t been shown to be causal. However, since there is a history of breast cancer in my family, I’m not a good candidate for the pill or for HRT.

  • Tony

    After Jan Brewer, I don’t think I will ever again vote for a so-called conservative woman running for political office. They have been universal disappointments, because their real allegiance is to feminism, not to the common good.

    • TheAbaum

      Sorry, but it would be difficult to classify her as conservative.

      Not true of Nikki Haley, among others.

  • sleepswithcats

    This is easily the most blatantly ignorant and evil article I have read in decades.

    • Objectivetruth

      errrr……ummmm…..I think you’d have a little more credibility if you reconsidered your posting name……just a thought…..

      • sleepswithcats

        If you think you have access to “objective truth”, you are fooling yourself and destroying your credibility.

        • Objectivetruth

          What makes the article “ignorant and evil?”

          • kmk

            It’s ignorant because Ruse is still uninformed about contraceptives even though he claims years of investigating. There are many physicians that understand the dangers of most contraceptives.
            It’s evil because Ruse pretends to be religious, yet he’s mainly political or journalistic. The end does not justify the means.

            • sleepswithcats

              You nailed it!!

            • Austin Ruse

              Rank silliness. Political? I am suggesting quite the opposite. I am suggesting the solution to this crisis is NOT political but cultural.

            • Objectivetruth

              Are you taking oral contraceptives? If you are, does it concern you at all that you are dramatically increasing your risk of cancer?

        • TheAbaum
          • sleepswithcats

            While TheAbaum, with a mushroom icon, screams “psychopath”.

            • TheAbaum

              Right.. here’s the picture of mental hygiene…

              • lifeknight

                I love to laugh aloud! Great Abaum. You are making my day….a day late.

              • Objectivetruth

                Absolutely classic!!!!!!!

            • Objectivetruth

              Do you really sleep with cats??!!

              Eeeey-ahhhhh……then again don’t tell me…..trying to eat breakfast……

  • joe bass

    So, no contraception? Have as many children as you can. Who is going to support them? Another case of one religion forcing their views on everyone else.

    • kmk

      Check out Natural Family Planning (NFP). It’s more effective than most artificial contraceptives, affordable by anyone, healthy, and respects everyone.

      • joe bass

        Sorry, but I don’t need it. Why is NFP not talked about?

        • TheAbaum

          Sorry, but I don’t need it.

          Obviously.

          • joe bass

            Sorry, but you DO need something.

            • TheAbaum

              I’m sure we can find something in your medicine cabinet.

              • joe bass

                Medicaid will provide you something.

                • TheAbaum

                  I’m not eligible. We’re not all wards of the state, like you.

                  • joe bass

                    Your mental state would make you eligible. I am NOT a ward of the state, I’m in the military, risking my life to protect your sorry ass. No answer required.

                    • Art Deco

                      As a rule, no one knows who you are on the internet (or takes attempts to establish street cred all that seriously).

                    • joe bass

                      That’s the rule? I thought it was just a way to say stupid things, and be anonymous. Please, get some help, somewhere, somehow. You will not be so paronoid, if you do.

                    • TheAbaum
                    • joe bass

                      And your point is………..

                    • TheAbaum

                      Pavlovian conditioning works. Ring.

                    • joe bass

                      And your point is……

                    • Objectivetruth

                      In the military…….highly unlikely. The anonymity of comment boxes turns everyone in to a faux super hero.

                      Gotta run…..my Soyuz capsule for the international space station leaves in three hours. We’ll continue this conversation then, when I’m 300 miles above earth in a geosynchronous orbit.

                    • joe bass

                      Want paperwork? You are already in another universe. Stay there.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      Nope. Fraud.

                      “Risking my life to protect your sorry ass.”

                      There’s the first sign that you are just a troll. Any honorable member of the military wouldn’t make a ridiculous, self serving, narcissistic remark like that.

                    • joe bass

                      Oh, yes, they would. I have heard much worse. Are you military? Do you want proof? Look it up. If you are so knowledgable, you would know you have the right to do that.

    • Art Deco

      Another case of one religion forcing their views on everyone else.

      Promotion and critique are ‘forcing’ only to someone with a denuded sense of agency or to someone who cannot bear critique.

      • joe bass

        When you insist ‘your’ religion is the ‘right’ one, that is forcing. Of course, I do not have to agree, but it is you have to be very unsure of your beliefs, when you have to have everyone agree. If you truly believed, you would not need me to validate you. What is a sense of agency? (those are your words). Ever consider, there ‘might’ be another religion, or none at all?

        • Art Deco

          When you insist ‘your’ religion is the ‘right’ one, that is forcing.

          No, joe, that’s called arguing.

          ==

          I cannot help but recall that the military does not recruit people whose scores on psychometric tests fall below the 14th percentile.

          • joe bass

            I see, so you are NOT military. Remember that thing called ‘the draft’? I’m not ‘arguing’ religion with you, I do not care what religion you are, or if you have any. Just keep it out of my face. THAT is forcing.

            • Art Deco

              Yes, I recall the draft. The military has long under a statutory provision that they not recruit anyone who fell below the 11th percentile on psychometric tests. Robert McNamara attempted ca. 1966 to recruit and train ~200,000 men the military ordinary would not take. The program came a-cropper. These recruits were referred to as “McNamara’s Morons”. IIRC, Linda Gottfriedson has written that as of now the military does not accept people below the 14th percentile.

              • joe bass

                Couldn’t get in. Right?

  • musicacre

    Austin, I shake my head when I read this. First of all, you are under a glaring light like it or not, since you have provided visible leadership on this issue for so many years. No matter what you say, you are giving the appearance of caving. Very traumatic for many , as your courageous example has bee an inspiration for so many, even here in Canada. We need our leaders to be strong, stay strong, and not mince words. No one has asked you to go to the extreme of using a litmus test for every person, however….not attacking contraception head on is a different issue than actually supporting someone who has made it clear that she wants to EXPAND availability of this horrendous poison. How can that be a neutral issue? It hurts all women, Catholic or not. Also hurts the entire credibility of people trying to teach on this issue. And the timing!! That’s the worst part. Just when the Bishops of USA have gone to the wall on this one and made it public they are strongly against contraception. This is when their supporters need to line up behind them; not run in the other direction.

    • Austin Ruse

      You misread the piece if you think I am recommending surrender. Please. What I am recommending is that we need to fight this and constantly just not in politics. Politics are not reaady for this fight. It is up to us to change hearts and minds first. We are far from that. Why? Because we have not done our job. I have been fighting this scourge for going on 20 years…in public. How about you?

      • musicacre

        Personally? How many years out of my life? Since you asked, longer than you. My husband and I attended our first board meeting of the executive of a large pro-life organization a little more than half a year after we married and that was the beginning of trying to reach people, also selling Catholic and NFP books for many years, doing educational pro-life work in two cities running the organizations, teaching NFP classes to marriage prep couples, organizing life-chain…. etc etc. All the while trying to start up a Catholic homeschooling group and mentoring for many years with our 6 children….and none of the above was easy. Don’t assume everyone is doing nothing. I’m 53 now and we began when we were 23, so do the math.
        I’m not trying to compete with your claims. I just think that the optics you are sending out can really send the wrong message to others who are making sacrifices for the cause of truth. To openly support someone who isn’t merely privately supportive of contraception, but wants to take it to a historic level of availability, is not going to make anyone happy except the pro-contraception crowd.

        By the way, getting back to exactly what you were saying about not being ready for the BIG political fight….we will never be ready in the way you are saying. In 30 years spoon-feeding people and hoping they’ll get on the bandwagon,,,there is heart-killing apathy. Except for the marriage prep couples, it’s hard to garner ANY enthusiasm for going against a strategy that has had so many millions of dollars in marketing, paying off doctors, etc. We can’t fight on the same ground. We don’t have the resources. We need someone who has made it to the top to declare themselves, that’s the kind of leadership that gets remembered and followed, even if it’s the end of their own ambitions for politics. At least they got a public place to declare why they will support the truth of man and woman. Without which, (this truth) nations crumble. Period.

        • Austin Ruse

          So, you are having trouble convincing anyone or getting any enthusiasm for NFP except a little bit in marriage prep? And based on that, you think it is time to take our message into a political fight? Now, to me, that makes no sense whatsoever. We cannot even convince our own folks to do it VOLUNTARILY, and so lets then try to force it through law ON EVERYONE? This is just insanity.

          Are you aware that contraception is now available to all for free paid for by you and me? Our national penetration of contraceptive use is 78% higher than almost any nation on earth. China, where contraception is OTC has a rate only 1% higher than ours.

          I just do not buy that OTC in our culture will increase the usage. I also do not buy that OTC is somehow the lesser Catholic position than free for all paid by you and me. PleaSe explain that to me.

          I respectfully suggest you are living in 2011 and not 2014. The world has utterly changed in the past year.

          • musicacre

            I could be wrong about a lot of things, but you still don’t understand what I said . I didn’t say the contraceptive mentality was going to be defeated politically-obviously it’s embedded in the schools- but when a high profile political figure goes down because they stood for the truth, people learn from that and admire that person sticking to their integrity….. rather than merely winning a skirmish because they gave away part of their soul. They remember it was a truth worth losing over and gain moral strength from that.

            And BTW, I didn’t say anything should be forced on anyone; I was expressing the view it could be scandalous to your readers that the candidate you’re supporting wants expanded availability, not just the status quo. Why do Planned barrenhood any favors?

            • Austin Ruse

              Do they really? Or do they breathe a sigh of relief and thank God the kook who wanted to take away their Pill is gone? That’s how the view us. They’re not ready for what we want.

              Given that contraceptives are 100% available for free for anyone of age, how does OTC make it any more available?

              • musicacre

                A prescription vs OTC? You’re asking me? Obviously a whole slough of teenage girls will go for it, that may have been put off by not wanting to go to the doctor and thus formalizing their decision. At least here in Canada that’s how it works.

                • Austin Ruse

                  They pass prescription like confetti at planned parenthood, title x clinics etc. Easy to get.

                  • musicacre

                    Very sad. I wouldn’t want to raise my kids in the States. I didn’t have to worry about this stuff because we home-schooled. There’s enough to worry about as it is, let alone predators at the door, vying for your childrens’ souls!

  • Rita Leid

    And, what about women who are prone to one of several problems, which ‘the pill’
    helps to alleviate? Are YOU people EVEN aware of the fact that MILLIONS of CHILDREN in America go to bed hungry every single night? WHY? Bc their parents can’t afford to feed them, AND pay their bills; and I CERTIANLY do NOT see anyone EVEN offering to help them out of THIS crisis!!!!!!! And, if YOU PEOPLE are going to sit in judgment of the ones you are NOT helping, then let us have a LOOK at the skeletons in YOUR CLOSETS!!! And another thing: GET THE DAMNED HELL OUTTA MY PRIVATE CHATS, WITH MY GYNOCOLOGIST!!!!!!!! This crapola is AGAINST the HIPPA Act, which, if I am NOT mistaken, is a FEDERAL LAW, put into place by the U S A GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!
    LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE!!!!!!!!!

    • kmk

      There are much healthier alternatives than the pill. It’s funny how pro-contraceptors attempt to detract from the issue by claiming that pro-lifers don’t do anything for pregnant women. If you ever spent any time at a crisis pregnancy center, you would see us there.

    • Austin Ruse

      I would also point out that folks like you promised sixty years ago that the pill would solve poverty etc…and now look at us…worse than ever. Your pill has done more damage to society than any other single thing. You own it. Not us.

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        Back in the 1950s, when Hong Kong was flooded with refugees from the mainland, a local UN official declared that it could only survive through massive Western aid and the resettlement of refugees elsewhere. An American newspaper proclaimed Hong Kong a dying city, and the British grimly entitled the lead chapter in their annual Hong Kong yearbook, “A Problem of People.”

        In fact, Hong Kong experienced the greatest economic boom in history. Today, it supports a population of about seven million people — more than five times the number the government declared to be Hong Kong’s optimum “carrying capacity” back in 1954

        • Guest

          Yes, claims of overpopulation are overblown. We have been fighting that notion for going on 20 years…

    • TheAbaum

      Can you express yourself rationally and without profanity?

    • Objectivetruth

      No it’s not against HIPPA. You have no clue what you’re talking about.

    • Objectivetruth

      “Are YOU people EVEN aware of the fact that MILLIONS of CHILDREN in America go to bed hungry every single night? WHY? Bc their parents can’t afford to feed them, AND pay their bills; and I CERTIANLY do NOT see anyone EVEN offering to help them out of THIS crisis!!!!!!! ”

      Really???? Millions???? Or are we just engaging in a tad too much hyperbole.

      No one even helping them out of this crisis? Have you ever heard of the Catholic Church? The Catholic Bernardine Center near me isn’t feeding 300 families a week?

      So your solution is to sterilize poor people? Really? Does the word “eugenics” mean anything?

      Of course….liberals like to accuse others of not helping the poor when you need a crowbar to open up their wallets to give to the poor.

    • RufusChoate

      I’ll never understand the rationale of dead children being better than hungry children. Could you explain it to me? Given that choice what would you opt for?
      There are currently the same number of poor in America that there was at the start of the War on poverty in 1966 ~10% yet the Federal Government consumes ~25% of the GDP with 20% of that amount going to National Defense and the rest to income distribution schemes and programs. Why is poverty persistent? It has a lot more to do with Sexual Immorality and the forced collapse of the family under the War on Poverty than any lack of National Resources or expenditures. i.e. Single Mothers are single largest sector of the poor.
      The Left lives off of family dysfunction and poverty and has no interest in alleviating them because it gives them power.

  • Guest

    You have not considered certain points in this article.
    Your religion applies to you only not to everyone else. You may choose to use or not to use for yourself and only for yourself. But health insurance paid for by taxation (ACA) requires all of us to pay for everyone else’s medications whether we use such medications ourselves or whether we approve of those medications. Society as a whole has made its choice: pro-contraception.
    The Pill, and other contraceptives, gives women freedom and enables their pursuit of their happiness on their terms which is their right as guaranteed by the US Constitution. Any curtailment of that freedom is rightly seen as seeking to enslave women and quite properly will be fought against and ruled unconstitutional. Devaluing the person who is here now in favor of the ‘person’ who MIGHT later be born if all goes well – is NOT acceptable. Ethnically, you cannot require anyone to sacrifice themselves for your conscience.
    Religious freedom in the US also means freedom FROM religion. You are not required to worship any religion. You are not permitted to impose your religion or religious values onto others and they theirs onto you. If you give your people more rights than is their due, then under that same ‘religious freedom’ law, those of other religions or having other values different than yours will be permitted to deny you service because of your religion should they find your religion repugnant and/or contrary to their principles. Thus homosexual people can deny evangelicals and Catholics service under the same law.
    Understand that this is not an attack upon your religion but upon your willingness to impose your religious beliefs upon others who do not share them
    I would also like to point out to you that in every packet of hormonal contraceptives is included several sheets explaining in great detail all of the side effects and dire consequences of taking them and that just as with any medication side effects and effectiveness varies from person to person.
    Thank you for reading.

    • TheAbaum

      • joe bass

        You could use this as your profile picture.

        • TheAbaum

          Wow dude. Is that the best you have?

          • joe bass

            Do you really want me to put it in plain english, what I think of you? Why are you calling me ‘dude’.

            • Objectivetruth

              Why do you hate the Catholic Church so much? Reading your postings, you really don’t know anything about the Church, but more than eager to with great bigotry, attack it.

              Why so much vitriol and hate for an institution you have no understanding of?

              • joe bass

                I have no idea why anyone would hate anyone, maybe because you are SO right and any other view is so wrong? I don’t hate you, I sympathize with you. I understand the basic church, but you cannot force me to ‘study’ it. That is the one point, you cannot seem to get. There are other religions and they mostly let you believe what you want. I’m sorry your church does not allow dissent!

                • TheAbaum

                  You haven’t expressed a view.

                  “There are other religions and they mostly let you believe what you want. ”

                  That’s funny.

                • Objectivetruth

                  Reading this post, as I’ve said before, you really have no clue or understanding of the Church but are more than willing to come on to a Catholic website and ignorantly attack it.

                  • TheAbaum

                    He thinks he’s scoring points, but we know we’re keeping him away from society at large.

                • Objectivetruth

                  C’mon, Joe! If your so passionate about contraception, why don’t you show us what a big brave guy you are and attack the Muslims on Islamic websites. They might be even more anti contraception than Catholics!

                  So go ahead, Joe! Go attack the Muslims on their religious beliefs on contraception. I’m sure there’s no risk!

                  • joe bass

                    Don’t know of any Islamic websites. I would love to visit one. Do you know? You should, because you know what is on them. Or you don’t know. Which is it? Why are you calling me ‘dude’. Are you thinking I am stupid enough to use my own name on here? Even you won’t do that, dude. What makes you think I’m a man??

                    • Objectivetruth

                      Google the sites, Joe! Get in there and bad mouth those contraception hating Muslims! Your movement needs you!

                    • joe bass

                      Already answered this. If you want to read it for yourself, do so. Dude.

                    • TheAbaum

                      He didn’t call you dude, I did.

                      Of course, I also called you Private.

            • TheAbaum

              “Do you really want me to put it in plain english, what I think of you?”

              If you think you can, and you think it affects me in the least, have at it.

              Why do you think I called you Dude?

              • joe bass

                Yes, I would like to know why you called me a ‘dude’? Are we in the ‘hood’ now?

                • Objectivetruth

                  Go get on the Islamist websites, Joe! They feel that anyone that uses contraception should be stoned to death. You’re Mr. Joe Contraception flag carrier, go show your beliefs and attack the Muslims! Just wear a football helmet at all times……never know when a boulder’s going to come high and tight at your noggin when you drive by the local Mosque!

                  • joe bass

                    Can’t answer questions? Why am I a ‘dude’?

                    • TheAbaum

                      I guess you can’t figure it out, so you’ll just have to wonder, Private Bass.

                  • joe bass

                    Was not invited to the Islamic website. Probably would be more reasonable than you bigots! We do not have a mosque. I would like to visit one. Have you? If not, then you know nothing about them. I have visited several Catholic churches and I find them with an entirely different attitude than this site.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Here’s your invitation to troll Muslim websites.

                  • joe bass

                    Just did. Islam recognizes the validity of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and their scriptures. Any more questions?

                • TheAbaum

                  You’ll just have to wonder.

    • Juju

      Excellent post, and you can see from TheAbaum’s response that he has no rebuttal. It is none of you folks’ business who does or does not use contraception. If you personally think it’s evil, don’t use it. Keep your noses out of the rest of our business. I chose to accept the risks of birth control, because being a parent for me was a greater risk.

      • Objectivetruth

        But there’s a better way than oral contraceptives.

        Why didn’t you try NFP? My wife and I have been using it our whole marriage, trust me it works and is a better way. Once you understand it, it’s not difficult at all. Instead of putting cancer causing chemicals in to your body everyday, wouldn’t it be better to cooperate with your body in a natural way? Seems far more reasonable then taking chemicals every day. We’re a society that spends billions of $$ on vitamins, health clubs, to keep ourselves healthy but more than willing to pop a cancer causing pill, when there’s a better way.

      • TheAbaum

        You have no point, but thanks for the free rent.

        The question here is whether contraceptives are OTC or prescribed.

        There is no proposal here regarding their elimination.

    • joe bass

      Thank you very much for this intelligent reply. One of the few on this page.

    • Objectivetruth

      “Your religion applies to you only not to everyone else.”

      Incorrect.

      Catholicism and its moral teaching is based not only upon scripture, but upon the natural law and absolute truths and morals that as humans (and children of God) we all are subjected to. Regardless of faith.

      Contraception is a violation first and foremost of the natural law.

    • Objectivetruth

      “The Pill, and other contraceptives, gives women freedom and enables their pursuit of their happiness on their terms which is their right as guaranteed by the US Constitution. Any curtailment of that freedom is rightly seen as seeking to enslave women and quite properly will be fought against and ruled unconstitutional. ”

      Nonsense.

      By separating the reproductive aspect to the sexual act, woman have become nothing more than a disrespected sex object, no better than a thrill ride at your local county fair. Since oral contraceptives came on the market 50 years ago, divorce, abortion, pornography, adultery and fornication have skyrocketed.

      Contraception has enslaved women. They have become chemically sterilized eunuchs whose natural femininity has taken a back seat to being viewed as an object of sexual lust.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    OK Mr. Ruse……again we hear that you are against contraception but we should support politicians that support, pay for, and promote contraception.

    In the above statement just replace the word contraception with any of these words……rape, racism, child abuse, stealing………

    In plain language your bowing to people who support contraception makes me sick…..no wonder we live in a culture of death with no end in sight….because people like you Mr. Ruse don’t have the courage to defend what the Church teaches.

    And this is exactly why no one in my family votes or will vote, its an absolute wast of time………..Catholics like you Mr. Ruse are in reality no different than the liberals who are running the country.

    • Austin Ruse

      I suspect I have done more to stop contraception than you ever have.

      • Maggie Sullivan

        I suspect you are doing more to promote contraception supporting politicians than I ever could……..in a million years.

        Maybe it’s time to face facts Mr. Ruse, when a man like you who has fought the good fight for countless years has now said support those who do evil…..it’s really over. The fight for the gospel of life is finished.

        • Austin Ruse

          Please tell me which position in most in line with Catholic teaching.

          a. Contraception free for all paid for by you and me.
          b. Contraceptors pay for their own contraception.

          Now, today you really do not have a choice. What we have is a. But if you could pick which is the position most in line with Catholic teaching, which would be it?

          • Maggie Sullivan

            Neither position is acceptable.
            Yes, I do have a choice, we all have a choice, I do not, will not, and never will accept either of these positions.
            I choose not to accept either position.

            • Austin Ruse

              But the question is which one is the more Catholic position where the woman has to pay for it herself or universally available for free paid for by you and me?

            • Art Deco

              That is a non-existent option at this time. So whaddya gonna do? (Aside from strike poses).

  • Nova

    Mr Ruse, you have done yeomans work on his issue, and I agree, this is a cultural issue. Where I disagree is your stance that the issue should not be fought politically. If not politically, than where? Where else do we have a voice anymore? Media? Pop culture? No, politics is the only medium we have other than the pulpit (which obviously isn’t going well). Comstock made the mistake of actively promoting contraception. That is where she crossed the line. Since you as a Catholic have a choice in who you support since this is a primary, you have to support the Catholic who has not actively supported contraception. It’s that simple. We may lose as a result, but what would we gain by winning with a representative who has clearly shown her ability to sell out?

    • Austin Ruse

      You said it yourself. This is a cultural issue. Culture is way way way upstream from politics. The culture will inform our politics. Changing the culture is hard but that is where our work should be…

      My wife lectures on NFP, for instance. My group has published a few hundred articles attacking contraception.

      If yu think our world is limited to politics tehn I suggest you have a very narrow world. How well do you know the family ten houses down, or even next door. That is where you start. Become really good friends iwth them, convert them and then do more. Unless and until YOU convert your neighbors, no politician will ever want to do anything about this.

      What did the civil rights folks do between Plessy adn Brown. Study that. See what they did. They changed the culture. They held lectures, and marches, and conferences and wrote articles in journals. they changed the culture so that when the ground was prepared change could come.

      • Nova

        Interesting you bring up neighbors. My neighbors know we don’t use contraception, if only by the number of young children running around. They respect us and our decisions, and we talk about it. And we talk about politics. Give me an argument I can use when I’m asked why an “orthodox” Catholic such as myself could vote for someone who has openly supported a position that is anti-Catholic?

        • Austin Ruse

          The same kind of reason you no doubt gave for supporting bush the elder and bush the younger both of whom hugely increased spending for title X family planning money.

      • Guest

        Austin, you’re going to make this stand, and Comstock may win the primary and general, and Northern Virginia will continue to grow more liberal, and then what? Will you continue to support Comstock as she supports other liberal issues in an effort to keep her cover? What will you have gained by doing so? One congresswoman? Seems there are bigger battles to win and this isn’t one of them. Get out while you can.

        • Austin Ruse

          She’s a conservative. Always has been.

  • antigon

    But Comstock is not grudgingly bearing contraception, she’s actively encouraging it. Austin Ruse admirably deferred to Zippy Catholic regarding torture; he should do the same regarding Comstock.

    • Art Deco

      admirably deferred to Zippy Catholic regarding torture

      Why is that admirable?

      • antigon

        Because ZC was right of course, as Ruse came to recognize, & as any serious Catholic necessarily must.

        • Art Deco

          It’s admirable to be Zippy’s bitch?

          • antigon

            Dear Mr. Deco: Were that the case, t’would not be admirable, but my understanding is that Zippy turned your mama down.

            • Art Deco

              No, he was a handmaiden to Mark Shea while Shea made scurrilous attacks on a variety of parties who took exception to things he said, including Fr. Brian Harrison. No decent person would want anything to so with such a malicious enterprise or refer to someone as ‘admirable’ for signing on to it.

              • antigon

                Mr. Deco: You’re wrong on the facts. It was ZC who led Shea (& Ruse) (& anyone paying the slightest attention) to recognize the foul policies of the US government regarding torture, not Shea who influenced Zip. As to your priorities, however scurrilous Shea may or may not have been, the malicious enterprise was the policies of said government, not those who fought it. The latter were honorable as well as admirable – & also Catholic.

                • Art Deco

                  Nope.

  • Evagrius

    “Many think that these concessions should be made not only in regard to ways of living, but even in regard to doctrines which belong to the deposit of the faith. They contend that it would be opportune, in order to gain those who differ from us, to omit certain points of her teaching which are of lesser importance, and to tone down the meaning which the Church has always attached to them.” The preceding quotation comes from Testem benevolentiae, an encyclical addressed specifically to the American bishops, in which Leo XIII admonished our prelates for promoting the view that the “Church should shape her teachings more in accord with the spirit of the age and relax some of her ancient severity and make some concessions to new opinions.” Since Leo’s time, the “Americanist heresy’ has been the perennial temptation of the American episcopacy. It has been called the ‘phantom heresy’ by Leo’s detractors. The name fits, not because the heresy isn’t real, but because it is so often invisible to those who find themselves in its icy grip. We can see the phantom, however, in Sr. Prejean’s campaign to change the Church’s teaching on capital punishment, while omitting or toning down the Church’s teaching on abortion. We can see it, in Fr. Jim Schexnayder’s celebration of homosexual lifestyles, while omitting the Church’s teaching that homosexuality is “objectively disordered” and toning down the meaning of chastity. I fear we also catch a glimpse of its presence in efforts to tone down or omit the Church’s teaching on contraception in order to gain supporters in our campaign against abortion. I recall an interview many years ago of an Orthodox Bishop by an obviously impatient left-wing journalist who pestered the poor hierarch with questions on the church’s ‘social policy’ on various fashionable left wing causes, until finally in exasperation, the Bishop blurted out: “The Orthodox Church does not have a ‘social policy’! We preach Christ’s crucifixion and his resurrection!” Were we to have the courage to do the same.
    P.S. The strategic bombing of Japan (and Germany for that matter) was a heinous war crime to the extent that the civilian population was targeted (see e.g. A.C. Grayling’s Among the Dead Cities), so it is hardly an appropriate metaphor here.

  • Kyle Ness

    Contraceptives are the best thing to happen. It helps allow people to be ready before the thought of having any kids. Some don’t want kids, so contraceptives are a must! There have been contraceptives for centuries. Plus they find they also aid against some cancers.

  • Mary Haskell

    Dear Mr. Rues,

    Thank you for one of the best explanations of why we as Catholics can support contraception. With just a little more enlightenment we will also be able to support all reproductive health issues.

    Thank you for showing no real research, none at all, has been done that proves beyond a doubt that the pill kills anything. And as we know the same research proves that no “baby” dies in a pregnancy termination.

    I will be using selected quotes from your article to show my bishop, my pastor, and every person on my email list that contraception is perfectly acceptable.

    I will also be using selected quotes from your article to write an article of my own showing even so called “pro-life” Catholics such as yourself and Bishop Robert Lynch of the Diocese of St. Petersburg to prove Contraception is now and always will be good.

    Thank you Austin for having the courage to print the truth.

    Mary Haskell

  • Guest

    Mr. Ruse,

    Please take 5 minuets and watch this….and learn it is better to fight and die with the saints than to win a million battles on the side of evil

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRj01LShXN8

    All things are ready if our minds be so

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Mr. Ruse,

    Please take a couple of minuets and watch this. We don’t have to give in to the culture of death, we can fight…no matter the outsome it is better to fight on the side of the saints than to win a thousand battles betraying the truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRj01LShXN8

  • Athena Pythia Axiom

    I skimmed the article, got to the self righteous act and then skipped to the end.
    Of course it’s a man who knows best for women. A man who has never had to live with hormone imbalances or the risks of pregnancy. Oh wait, am I to thank God for “blessing” me with this? The pain of the sin of being born a woman? Just supposed to grin and bear it in silence?
    You are exactly the reason I left Christianity. For shame.

    • TheAbaum

      Perhaps you’ll leave us too.

      • Athena Pythia Axiom

        An OB-GYN who offers the pill, is only giving solicited advice and not telling a woman what she can and can’t do with her body. Big difference. Got anything else?

        • TheAbaum

          ..

          • Athena Pythia Axiom

            ..

      • Athena Pythia Axiom

        A Doctor can advise and write prescriptions- it doesn’t matter what sex they are, they have been trained and understand the benefits of each form of birth control.
        I will pop on when I can. I have a busy page to run too.

        • TheAbaum

          “II have a busy page to run too.”

          And a thriving tin-foil hat business too, no doubt.

          Perhaps you missed the mission statement above.

          • Athena Pythia Axiom

            Well my biggest buyers are conservatives who see “Barack Obama’s Shewolf Army” behind every bush.

      • Athena Pythia Axiom

        Doctor vs Self Righteous A-hole… hmmm.. I can see the difference. Can’t you?

        • Objectivetruth

          It appears you have a picture next to your “name” of one of the early 20th century suffragettes……Susan B. Anthony, Jane Addams, or possibly Alva Belmont? You do realize these women were extremely anti contraception and anti abortion, don’t you?

    • Objectivetruth

      “Risk of pregnancy.”

      So you believe pregnancy is a bad thing or a “preventable disease?”

      Why would any woman want to chemically sterilize themselves?

      “You are exactly the reason I left Christianity.” I highly suspect you were never a Christian to begin with. So cut the BS.

      • OLO101

        Not everyone wants kids and those who want kids don’t want to have 10.

        • TheAbaum

          Did everybody have ten before the advent of artificial contraception?

        • Objectivetruth

          I’m a big fan of NFP (as many friends of mine are) and I don’t have ten kids. You’re remark is ridiculous at best.

  • Freya Vanir

    Maybe the church should get out of women’s pants and try to do something good for the world like feeding starving people. Birth control is not a black and white issue and it would be better if people just let women make the decisions that are right for them with their doctor.

    • Tony

      That’s a silly comment for all kinds of reasons. The first is that the church DOES feed starving people; the Catholic Church is by far the largest beneficent organization in the world. The second is that you have begged the question: the very issue is the evil of contraception, and unless you have an argument to offer, you have nothing to add to the discussion. The third is that contraception is not a matter for women alone, as it bears directly upon the common good, and so concerns everyone.

  • michael ortiz

    I believe Chris TollefSEN is a philosopher, not a theologian.

  • Laura

    My own practise is to view contraception in light of whether it kills a baby or not. Chemical contraception is dangerous for a variety of reasons. Also, we will be held accountable for our views on children and babies and whether we see them as burdens or gifts of God… One question I have for the Catholic church, however, is how the priests and bishops and so on, who must be celibate to serve in the Catholic church (and by default not incur the stress or responsibility of children or spouse) are the ones telling their congregants NOT to use contraception? It seems like a form of hypocrisy to me for leaders in the Catholic Churches to hold a position about something with which they have no experience. It seems like it would fall hard on parishioners to be told, “It is God’s will that you trust Him for your family-size,” by people who do not bear the burden of that command themselves. I am not saying that children are NOT blessings, but I think it would rankle many within the church to be instructed by people who are not living with the kind of sacrifice and responsibility it takes to be a mommy or daddy of not just one child, but several (we are on number 5, so I know what I am talking about). At least in some protestant denominations, the pastors who preach this message often have 4 or 6 or 10 children and can relate to the struggles within the family, and can offer real advice on how to cope and thrive.

  • Holly Williams

    I hope and pray that one day everyone will wake up to the reality of the evil of contraception. Hopefully someday everyone will also convert to Catholicism. Unfortunately I don’t think a day will come when the entire world is Catholic.

  • michael ortiz

    Laura,
    I understand your point, but in a way it’s missing some key understandings of how Catholics see the world: the basis of morality is being–the nature of things, as we can know from reason and revelation. For instance: most people can at least admit that we should eat in order to live, that while dining is a wonderful humane experience, to make food itself the organizing principle of your life is, well, a little off. Hence reason’s guidelines about gluttony, etc. In each area of our lives, we have reasonable guidelines (moral laws) that help us be fully human. Virtues help us do this. Priests, bishops, even Popes, don’t make up the teachings of Catholicism in regard to any fundamental moral issue. They are simply handing on the teaching of Christ as understood by the Catholic Church. Priests have to live a life of sacrifice too–serving the Church as their bride. They also give witness that love, yes, even romantic, sexual love between spouses–demands sacrifice or it’s a lie. As well, their lives (priests) give witness to the banquet of heaven, where no one marries, or is given in marriage, but all adore the Lord, the Triune God, forever.

  • theresa

    The persistence of your error of judgment is astonishingly remarkable and,
    regrettably, is matched only by your fallacious, underwhelming arguments.
    You state that you have fought the contraception battle for over twenty years and yet you fail to detail why you have endorsed a candidate who spearheaded (yes, “spearheaded,” her term, not mine) a campaign to make the pill more widely available to women without prescription. (I thought you said in your latest apologia attempt that you were going to address the “main arguments” of your interlocutors — a mere oversight I suppose.).

    Although scientific studies over decades have elucidated evidence of the abortifacient
    effects of the pill, you, akin the views of major pill proponents, are now questioning the plausibility of this evidence. How admirable of you to uncover in your research the thought of a Catholic theologian to support your thesis. (Based on this logic, I suppose we can question whether the atomic bomb ever killed anyone since “in reality” the existence of the atom is “theoretical,” as is Einstein’s “theory” of relativity).

    And then there is your position that over-the-counter availability of the pill may have
    the favorable, contrarian effect of lessening its use (since it would be “out-of-pocket,”
    not government- or employer-subsidized). That recalls to mind a “prominent” Catholic who, rather than condemning Barack Obama’s pro-abortion stance, took the twisted act of endorsing him on grounds that Obama’s policies would have the overall effect of reducing the number of abortions. (So much for following Catholic doctrine, prominent Catholic.). Analogously, instead of questioning or demanding an explanation from Comstock, you have chosen to give her a “free pass” on a stance indubitably at odds with Catholic teaching.

    Unless or until you retract your position, please stop writing on this subject, Mr.Ruse, as you are causing more injury than good to the Catholic community by perpetuating the myth that the credentials of a Catholic candidate who publicly promotes the pill is more worthy of the “Catholic” vote than those of other candidates in the field. It’s time for you to swallow your pride by doing the “honorable” thing (before it’s too late) and confess your misguided judgment as Steven Mosher, Maggie Sullivan and a host of others have eloquently explained.

    I can only hope that hubris has not played such a paralyzing, debilitating role that you are now, unwilling or incapable of the courage, to alter your judgment. As a fellow brother in Christ, I pray this is not the case.

    And please, no dismissive rejoinder on your part that reminds us once again how
    long you have tarried in the contraception and abortion battlefields of the past since many of us have also toiled in these vineyards but without any recompense other than rebuke, insult, humiliation, risk of jail, personal injury, or daunting prospect of evastating
    financial loss. Let us join together to follow the path of sanctity, rather than political expediency, Mr. Ruse, and be guided by the exemplary words and acts on the culture of life by Blessed Mother Teresa and Blessed John Paul II.

  • Leslie Bianchi

    doesn’t it concern you that contraception is used for medical reasons other than birth control and that you are denying women affordable access to this?

    and just for the record: Plan B and contraception only impact ovulation, not implantation of a fertilized egg – that’s a known fact now

    when someone doesn’t think the use of something is a good idea or that it is immoral, the price of it is irrelevant

    and doesn’t god give us choice so we decide?

    • theresa

      You are absolutely wrong! It is not a known fact and the scientific community knows so. We are talking about a :”Catholic” politician who is advocating wider use of the pill which, whether you personally agree or not, is contrary to Church teaching. Abortion follows contraception as night follows day — indisputable.

    • Objectivetruth

      Hormonal estrogen can be used licitly for medical reasons. But the reasons for keeping it an Rx is that it must be properly dosed and titrated, which only a physician should allow. Having someone but it off the shelf is why it’s a bad reason.

      And no, Plan B and contraception do impact imlplantation.

      I agree with you on the pricing issue and morality.

      Yes, God does give us a choice so we can decide. But read the many posts here on why oral contraceptives are a bad idea from a health and moral stand point. And think about oral contraceptives and Plan B from this perspective: do you think it’s OK for a 14 year old girl to walk In to a CVS pharmacy and walk out with some, gum, lip gloss, and abortifacient? Is that the society we should live in? And by providing free and easy access to contraceptives, we are telling our young children that we as a society say unfettered fornication and sex is OK. Teen pregnacy has become a much greater problem because of this exact reason. We’re telling our 15 year old girls it’s OK to drop your panties for your 16 year old boyfriend who says “if you really love me, you’ll have

      • Objectivetruth

        (Cont.) sex with me.” But we don’t want to teach them moral values of chastity and self respect, we just want to throw as many condoms and pills at them as possible. Can one reasonably expect a 15 year to even properly use birth control? No. Contraception from a moral and societal respect has been a disaster.

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