Double Trouble: The Leftist Threat and the Islamist Threat

I am sometimes criticized for focusing too much on the Islamic threat to the West and not paying enough attention to the more immediate threat from the political left.  One of the reasons I concentrate on the former is that the threat from the left is more obvious and is widely covered by numerous columnists in major periodicals.  Most Catholics who are paying attention realize by now that the left-leaning Obama administration is no friend to Catholics, and that it constitutes a threat to crucial freedoms that Americans have long taken for granted.

Focusing on Islam, however, does not preclude worrying about the left.  Both are worrisome.  More to the point, they are not unrelated threats. It is unrealistic to think of the two ideological movements—the one secular, the other religious—as separate and distinct, as though we can afford to tackle the immediate threat first and the remote one later.  In reality, leftism and Islamism are best understood as a combined threat.  Radical leftists and radical Islamists share similar ideologies and goals and have formed numerous alliances, both tacit and not-so-tacit.

In this regard, I should point out that there is a debate among scholars as to whether Islam is primarily a religion or a political movement. Another debate revolves around the question of whether or not the political aspect of Islam can be separated from the religious aspect. Those who think that the political and religious aspects can be treated separately tend to use the terms “Islam” and “Islamic” when referring to the religious side, and “Islamism” and “Islamist” to identify the political side. Since I am one of those who believes that the Jekyll and Hyde sides of Islam cannot be easily separated, I will use all four terms interchangeably.

The words “Islamism” and “Islamist” were chosen because of their similarity to “communism” and “communist,” but the ideological similarities between Islam and communism were noted long before the politicized terms came into common usage.  The list of philosophers, historians and intellectuals who have likened Islam to communism includes Bertrand Russell, Arthur Koestler, Whittaker Chambers, Jules Monnerot, and Bernard Lewis.  More tellingly, the three most influential Islamic theorists of the twentieth century—Hassan al-Banna, Sayyid Qutb and Maulana Maududi—were all deeply impressed with Soviet communism.  Though they rejected the atheistic element of communism, they recognized its affinities with Islam, and their writings reflect the influence of leftist thought.  Take this passage from Maududi:

In such a state, no one can regard any field of his affairs as personal and private.  Considered from this aspect the Islamic state bears a kind of resemblance to the Fascist and Communist states. (Islamic Law and Constitution, p. 262)

And apparently from other aspects as well.  For example, both ideologies look upon themselves as transcending race, language, and nationality. Here’s Maududi again:

In reality, Islam is a revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. (Jihad in Islam, p. 8)

Thus, ideologically-minded Muslims don’t think of themselves as Turks or Saudis or Egyptians, but rather as members of the umma—the worldwide Islamic community.  According to Maududi, “Islam requires the earth—not just a portion but the whole planet.”

When we move from the theoretical level to the practical level, we find that there are many instances of leftists working closely with Islamic groups and in support of Islamic goals.  Perhaps the most obvious example is the close relationship between leftist Venezuela and Islamist Iran.  The Obama administration’s warm embrace of the Muslim Brotherhood is another example.  Obama and his State Department did everything they could to bring Mohamed Morsi and the Brotherhood to power in Egypt, and they did their utmost to return the Brotherhood to power once they had been deposed.  And this despite the fact that the Brotherhood’s relentless persecution of Christians was by then well-known.  Indeed, the Obama administration has shown a penchant for siding with more radical Muslim parties against more moderate ones. This has been the case in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Turkey, and elsewhere. According to national security expert Andrew C. McCarthy, “the more unabashed [Turkish Prime Minister] Erdogan became in promoting sharia and the Brotherhood’s jihad against Israel, the closer Washington drew to him” (Spring Fever, p. xiv).

Here are some other examples of left-Islam collaboration:

  • Under Hillary Clinton, the left-leaning State Department worked closely for several years with the Organization of the Islamic Cooperation (OIC) to find ways to implement the OIC’s long-standing objective of silencing speech critical of Islam.
  • A voluminous set of documents released by the Department of Justice in early 2012 revealed a high degree of collaboration between the leftish DOJ and various Muslim Brotherhood-linked groups.
  • Most of the demonstrators at a September 11, 2010 rally to support the building of the Ground Zero mosque in New York City were members of various leftist, socialist and communist organizations.  Leftists in the U.S. and Europe have shown themselves to be reliable supporters of mosque construction.  For example, according to Soeren Kern, a senior fellow at the Madrid-based Strategic Studies Group, “Many of the mosque projects in Italy have been promoted by left-wing politicians who are waging an ideological war with the Roman Catholic Church.”
  • The left-leaning media, which never hesitates to implicate the whole Catholic faith when crimes are committed by priests, makes every effort to avoid implicating Islam whenever crimes are committed in the name of Islam.  Whether reporting on the Fort Hood massacre, the Boston Marathon massacre, or the Nairobi mall massacre, journalists can be relied on to keep to the script which says that “This has nothing to do with Islam.”
  • Leftist organizations such as Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and The Huffington Post have been in the forefront of the campaign against “Islamophobia.”  Much of their work consists of attempts to smear and silence groups that report on the oppression of women and minorities under Islam.  The left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center, for example, is in the habit of designating human rights activists who stand up for the victims of Islam as “hate groups.”  Meanwhile, in collaboration with the Council on American -Islamic Relations, the considerably left-of-center Center for American Progress has produced a report titled Fear Inc: The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America.  As far as the left is concerned, there is nothing to fear from Islam; the real enemies are those who dare to point out the problems with Islam.

Mecca may be 7,000 miles from Washington, but the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim-American Society, and other such groups have offices in Washington and other major American cities, and they seem to have considerable access to the current administration.  If one thinks in terms of armed conquest, then of course there is little to be feared from Islam.  But societies can be conquered in other ways than by warfare.  Twenty years ago it would have seemed a very remote possibility that wedding photographers in the U.S. would someday be forced to provide their services to same-sex weddings or risk arrest.  That once-remote possibility looks like it will soon be enshrined in law.

The reason that so many once-remote possibilities—same-sex marriage, gays in the military, transgender bathrooms in grade schools—arrived far ahead of schedule is that these causes were taken up by liberals and leftists in education, media, the courts, and the entertainment industry.  These social transformations occurred not because there were battalions of gay and transgendered troops massed on the borders, but because there were enough willing enablers within the borders.

It may be argued that the enablement of Islam is a completely different matter.  Leftists, we assume, would never let the Islamization of the culture go too far because to give Islamists a secure foothold would be suicidal for our society and inimical to the interests of leftists themselves.  But, in the long run (and perhaps even in the short run), the left’s other social experiments also spell societal suicide.  That hasn’t stopped the true believers from the single-minded pursuit of their agenda.  It needs to be kept firmly in mind that the left’s first major goal is the destruction of the existing social order. Utopia comes later.

When your gaze is fixed on that sort of objective, it’s very likely you won’t be able to grasp the larger picture. Right now, for example, left-leaning governments in Europe are pursuing ill-advised policies in regard to Islam that will almost surely result in the Islamization of large parts of Europe within a few decades. The triumph of the left in Europe has made the eventual triumph of Islam that much more likely. America seems to be following a similar trajectory and, for that reason, it may not be wise to look at the leftist menace and the Islamist menace as two separate threats—the one immediate and the other remote. The more the left advances in America, the more likely that radical Islam will be one of the main beneficiaries.

Islamists and leftists constitute a double threat. This is not to say that the alliance will last forever. At some point, one of the parties will decide that their “useful idiot” allies have served their purpose and can be dispensed with. As Recep Erdogan said in 1998, four years before his Islamist party swept the secularists aside, “Democracy is just the train we board to reach our destination.” Once they have attained sufficient power, Islamists in the West can be counted on to ditch their leftist friends.

Editor’s note: The picture above was taken at a January 3, 2009 demonstration in London against Israel by various Palestinian, Muslim, and Leftist groups such as the Socialist Workers Party. In recent months, left wing American academic associations like the American Studies Association and the Modern Language Association have approved boycotts or condemnations of Israel. (Photo credit: Claudia Gabriela Marques Vieira / WikiCommons.)

William Kilpatrick

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William Kilpatrick taught for many years at Boston College. He is the author of several books about cultural and religious issues, including Why Johnny Can’t Tell Right From Wrong; and Christianity, Islam and Atheism: The Struggle for the Soul of the West and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Jihad. His articles have appeared in numerous publications, including Catholic World Report, National Catholic Register, Aleteia, Saint Austin Review, Investor’s Business Daily, and First Things. His work is supported in part by the Shillman Foundation. For more on his work and writings, visit his website, turningpointproject.com

  • John Byde

    The psychology of the left never ceases to amaze me – are they mad, bad or stupid, or a combination of all three? Rocky times ahead, folks!

    • bbrown

      I always wanted to give the benefit of the doubt and chalk it all up to ignorance. And there is a lot of that – it’s a modern day plague in today’s government imposed culture of sloth, largely bred into the masses by government “education” camps.

      But, I’m seeing more and more that there is so often willful malice. At root a lot of leftist liberals and modern progressives have a deep hatred of Christianity. I have spoken to some who could not identify or see it in themselves. The antipathy was just absorbed from the culture, NPR, MSNBC, government school, etc. Others are very aware of the reason for their worldview, and just don’t care if it kills, maims, and destroys. There’s a large subset who cannot give up their sexual lifestyle, and thus will do anything to deny reality.

      It’s a fascinating study.

      • tom

        So true.

    • AugustineThomas

      They’re equivalent to Nazis.

  • NasicaCato

    Leftists also have the belief that religion is a primitive “false consciousness”. Therefore Islam is simply a primitive way of expressing their longing for true justice which is scientific socialism/progressivism. Ironically it is leftism (and their profit-above-all-else consumerist/capitalist enablers) who have created the situation of moral free fall that the West finds itself in today. Freefalls cannot last, they will sooner or later hit bottom and society will begin to search once again for moral certitude. And there will be Islam, all too happy to coerce, I mean, “help”.

    • tom

      Western Civilization has been castrated by our courts and too much “democracy”. Neither Marxism nor Islamic thought will be kind to us. Weakling civilizations deserve to suffer and surely will. I don’t see the Muslims as up to it, so the Marxists-Democrats will have their fun. A cat toying with Christian mice.

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour

    Taguieff has argued that the anti-Zionism of the Left originated in Islam and Arab nationalism. However it now extends to a movement consisting of “neo-Christian humanitarianism,” “third-worldists,” and “anti-globalization activists.” This movement “draws nourishment from a myth and feeds it in return.” The myth “is constructed on the demonized figure of ‘Jews-Israelis-Zionists’ supported by the ‘Americans’ and in opposition to that, no less mythical, of the Palestinian Arab ‘innocent victims.’“ On one side, Taguieff continues, stands the “cosmopolitan Satan,” the unholy trinity “United States/Israel/The West.” On the other side stands the “dominated and the oppressed.” Thus the new anti-Zionism recycles old anti-Semitic stereotypes such as the rich Jew and the dominating Jew under the “varnish of progressivism.” The Jew is once more the stand-in for capitalism, imperialism, cosmopolitanism, indeed the whole economic order.

    Similarly, Robert Redeker suggests that, post Cold War, the Left has replaced “Sovietophilia” with “Islamophilia,” and that “Palestinians and the contemporary Muslim masses replace the proletariat in the intellectuals’ imagination” as the pure, ideal alternative to Western capitalism.

  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

    Paul Craig Roberts. False flag terrorism.

    • Joseph

      I hear you.

      Quote from the article:

      Italian pasta, French fries, and Muslim patsies/bogeymen.

      RIP, Tamerlan.

    • NasicaCato

      Is Islam a threat Dr. Kozinski?

      • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

        The greatest threat to the world and the church right now is American and Israeli exceptionalism leading us to the brink of World War III and has lead to series of aggressive murderous wars that have killed millions and is to a police state in this country. Islam is not the main threat for Catholics.

        • TheAbaum

          We got it the first time.

          • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

            Did you really get it?

            • TheAbaum

              The

      • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

        The greatest threat to the world and the church right now is American and Israeli exceptionalism, which is anti logos and therefore anti Christ, leading us to the brink of World War III, after causing a series of aggressive murderous wars that have killed millions and to a police state in this country. And our media empire poisons the world with occult satanic music and sexual perversity. Islam is not the main threat for Catholics.

        • NasicaCato

          So we, or the Israelis, caused the “aggressive murderous” war in Afghanistan by the false flag event of Sept. 11?

          • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

            Boy, that’s what some would call a conspiracy theory. Better tread lightly.

            • NasicaCato

              So now you’re going to be coy?

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                If what I wrote prompts you to do your own research with an open mind, then I am glad. Otherwise, you can put someone else on trial at the court of your opinions.

                • NasicaCato

                  So you don’t want to come out and say that you think the Jews are to blame for Sept. 11?

                  Dr. Kozinski, we distributists, orthodox Catholics, etc., if we are going to get anywhere, if we are going to have any chance of creating or restoring a decent society, are going to have to succeed in the court of opinion . And we will not succeed in that court if we are so infatuated with our own line of thought that we can no longer distinguish insight from delusion.

                  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                    “The Jews”? That’s a racist term I would never use. Zionism is an ideology, not a race. I mentioned false-flag events and American and Zionist exceptionalism. You are connecting your own accusatory dots here. 9/11? You mentioned that, not I. Again, do your own research instead of accepting official narratives put out by governments. Catholics should be the first to identify the emperor’s nakedness. Here’s a scholar who had the courage to do so. It is a shame that this is not in a Catholic journal like crisis http://dehaven-smith.com/faq/default.html. Here is a scholarly journal that published his article.
                    “When Political Crimes Are Inside Jobs: Detecting State Crimes Against Democracy,” Administrative Theory & Praxis, Vol. 28: No. 3. (September 2006), pp. 330-355.

                    This is cutting edge political science. And you’re talking about the Jews! How ridiculous.

                    • NasicaCato

                      Yes, yes, how silly of me. When people speak against “Zionists” they never actually mean “Jews”, these are quite distinct terms.

                      Now earlier you stated: “We are the terrorists, provoking, creating, and scapegoating Islamic terrorism”. Lately, Muslims have been provoked, or perhaps scapegoated via false-flag operations, into massacring Christians in Nigeria and elsewhere and kidnapping and raping Christian girls. Earlier they were provoked (or scapegoated) into terrorizing and destroying Spain and Byzantium. Who is actually to blame for all this, the CIA or the Mossad?

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      No, Zionism is an ideology that can be believed in by any race or religion. Christian Zionism is perhaps the most pernicious version of this ideology, and Catholic Zionism the absolute worst.

                    • tom

                      A fair amount of the financing for Al Qaida in Syria (or its affiliates) has been from the American taxpayer.

                    • Joseph

                      Once again, thanks. I really appreciate your well-researched, informative contributions. Just wanted to add, there are people here who are into seriously and honestly seeking the truth, and this is the kind of information we need.

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      Be careful Joseph, for someone might now ask you, a loon, to take your meds, followed by presenting you with a series of magisterial declarative sentences and arguments that willfully misrepresent what you say, but nevertheless, somehow automatically refute anything you have marshalled by way of evidence and argument and the work of serious and credible scholars and journalists. And you might not get financial support either. Watch out!

                    • tom

                      Oy, relax!

                    • tom

                      The USA…and the whole former “West” is broke. the church belongs to Latin America. Catholics here missed the boat decades ago when they got their second TV and 4th credit card. We’re passe.

        • Art Deco

          The greatest threat to the world and the church right now is American
          and Israeli/Zionist exceptionalism, which is anti logos and therefore
          anti Christ, leading us to the brink of World War III, after causing a
          series of aggressive murderous wars that have killed millions and to a
          police state in this country

          Just take your meds and stop bothering passers-by.

          • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

            I coined the term “State Crimes Against Democracy” in a peer-reviewed article published by Administrative Theory & Praxis, the journal of the Public Administration Theory Network. SCADs are defined as “concerted actions or inactions by government insiders intended to manipulate democratic processes and undermine popular sovereignty.” Until recently, scholarly research on political criminality has given little attention to antidemocratic conspiracies in high office, focusing instead on graft, bribery, embezzlement, and other forms of government corruption where the aim is personal enrichment rather than social control, partisan advantage, or political power. However, SCADs are far more dangerous to democracy than these other, more mundane forms of political criminality because of their potential to subvert political institutions and entire governments or branches of government.

            Examples of SCADs that have been officially proven include the Watergate break-ins and cover up; the secret wars in Laos and Cambodia; the illegal arms sales and covert operations in Iran-Contra; and the effort to discredit Joseph Wilson by revealing his wife’s status as an intelligence agent. Examples of suspected SCADs include the fabricated attacks on U.S. ships in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964; the “October Surprises” in the presidential elections of 1968 and 1980; the assassinations of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King; the attempted assassinations of George Wallace and Ronald Reagan; the election breakdowns in 2000 and 2004; the numerous defense failures on 9-11-2001; the anthrax mailings in October 2001; and the misrepresentation of intelligence to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

            The concept of State Crimes against Democracy was developed, in part, to replace the term “conspiracy theory.” The conspiracy-theory literature about assassinations, 9/11, and other suspicious events has generally examined each event in isolation. The SCAD construct was introduced to move inquiry beyond incident-specific theorizing. It delineates a crime category comparable to white collar crime, organized crime, and hate crime. SCAD research looks for patterns across events. The objective is to develop (a) an empirically grounded theory of elite political criminality, (b) forensic methods for SCAD detection and investigation, and (c) political reforms to discourage SCADs from being committed in the first place.
            There are powerful norms among political, economic, and media elites that discourage speculation about corruption in high office. In elite discourse, convention prohibits suspicions from being voiced about top officials unless their guilt can be proven unambiguously by “smoking gun” evidence. This norm does not come from the principle in American jurisprudence that suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty. The presumption of innocence was never intended to outlaw suspicions. Rather, it calls for suspicions to be tested with thorough and fair investigations grounded by procedural rules for procuring and presenting evidence. Norms against conspiratorial speculations in elite discourse function to protect the legitimacy of elites as a class.

            • TheAbaum

              And I coined the phrase PHO “Pseudo Hyper Orthodox” Catholic right here. Yeah for me.

            • Joseph

              Thanks for the informative post.

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                You’re very welcome Joseph. It’s nice not to be mocked for searching for truth and asking tough questions and coming to sobering conclusions about our own government’s criminality in this complex area. You make it worth it, in spite of the art decos of the world who would rather shut their eyes and cast aspersions.

            • Art Deco

              Examples of suspected SCADs include the fabricated attacks on U.S.
              ships in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964; the “October Surprises” in the
              presidential elections of 1968 and 1980; the assassinations of John
              Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King; the attempted
              assassinations of George Wallace and Ronald Reagan; the election
              breakdowns in 2000 and 2004; the numerous defense failures on 9-11-2001;
              the anthrax mailings in October 2001; and the misrepresentation of
              intelligence to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

              1. The attacks were not fabricated.

              2. There were no October surprises in 1968 and 1980.

              3. The notion that any of those assassinations was a ‘state conspiracy’ is utter tripe. It has been spiritedly debunked with regard to John Kennedy and is not minimally plausible with regard to the rest.

              4. There were no election breakdowns in 2004 bar in the imagination of Mark Crispin Miller and those in 2000 are fully explicable as a confluence of circumstance.

              5. There were no numerous defense failures in September 2001.

              6. There is no credible evidence that the anthrax attacks were perpetrated by anyone other than Dr. Bruce Ivins.

              7. What ‘misrepresentation of intelligence’.

              You remind me to never send a dollar to Wyoming Catholic College. They hire loons.

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                Thank you for your declarative statements.

                • Art Deco

                  Those are called statements of fact. If you do not wish to have them uttered, stop putting whole cloth fabrications in print.

                  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                    Be careful Joseph, for a pseudonymous disinformation agent might now ask you, before declaring you a “loon,” to take your meds, followed by presenting you with a series of magisterial and magically true declarative sentences and fallacy-ridden arguments that willfully misrepresent and mock what you say, but nevertheless, somehow automatically refute anything you have marshalled by way of evidence and argument and the work of serious and credible scholars and journalists. And you might not get financial support either. Watch out!

                  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                    Oh, sorry. Let me rephrase that: Thank you for your tendentious declarative statements of eminently disputable, at best, and categorically refuted, at worst, “facts.”

              • tom

                #5: Say again?

                • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                  Exactly. That alone suggests his disinfo credentials.

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                When a Christian questions this political orthodoxy or even any part of it (let alone suggests that it is altogether unsound), or attempts to interpret contemporary political or economic events in a way different from this rigid orthodoxy, it is not just that certain people express their disagreement in a scholarly and respectful manner—that would be fine and welcome. But the politically correct make blatantly ad hominem attacks (“loon”, etc.), accusing one of being part of the left’s version of political correctness, of being a hippie, wanting to indoctrinate students in lies, of having an agenda, etc. It’s a kind of neo-inquisition.

                What prevents the help Christians can give each other through dialectical wrangling is that certain ways of thinking and certain conclusions, specifically, those that support the rationalizing ideologies and self-interested behavior of the ruling class, are protected from critical analysis by Christians’ custodianship of this politically correct orthodoxy. This produces fear of being harmed in one’s livelihood simply for articulating positions that challenge, directly of indirectly, this orthodoxy.

          • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

            The NWO-driven Americans and their Western allies have killed tens of millions in these coups, interventions, destabilization campaigns, and undeclared wars. According to André Vltchek and Noam Chomsky’s book On Western Terrorism, the total number killed is over 50 million since World War II. If we add to this the number of people tortured, brutalized, falsely imprisoned, forced to become refugees, or who had their lives ruined by Western terrorism, the number of victims reaches the hundreds of millions.

            • TheAbaum

              Now we get it, a Chomsky weevil burrowing itself into a Catholic College.

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                Nice metaphor!

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                Are you against Chomsky because he’s Jewish (this is an Art Deco/NasicaCato character-destroying tactic I am trying out for the first time–no hard feelings), or because he tells a lot of truth in his criticisms of American exceptionalism, American imperialism, and Israeli expansionism, and is a well-respected scholar to boot?

                • TheAbaum

                  Have you stopped beating your wife?

              • Art Deco

                Never have been sure it’s the same guy. Given that Wyoming Catholic College has fewer than twenty faculty, just one disordered individual makes for quite a bit of necrosis.

                • TheAbaum

                  Would make me fearful. Perhaps the “management” needs to be alerted.

                  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                    Are we back in the Soviet Union? Make sure when your arguments fails that you resort to threatening another’s livelihood.

                    • Art Deco

                      It would only be a threat to your livelihood if the trustees or some other responsible party thought you were both wrong and an embarrassment to the institution. (Yes, Brigham Young fired Stephen Jones).

                    • TheAbaum

                      I never said anything about “threatening” your “livelihood”. If you think what you are writing is so objectionable that your employer might find it to be cause for termination then perhaps you should consider your words more carefully.

                      I merely thought it reflected poorly on their staffing and perhaps you could be referred appropriately.

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      You’re so obviously sincere in your concern for my well-being. Thank you.

                    • TheAbaum

                      I’m concerned more for your coworkers and students, quite frankly.

                    • Art Deco

                      The Professor who works for Wyoming Catholic College appears to have been shipped out to a satellite campus in Australian..

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      I wouldn’t work for an institution that policed thoughts for traces of dissent from the government’s party line. I’d go to China if I wanted that. America still has academic freedom, God be praised.

                  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                    It is unquestionable sign that my remarks are getting through and exposing disinformation that you have resorted to scare tactics about my livelihood. It’s backfiring on you. Care to return to the arguments now?

                • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                  Agreed. Make sure you mention anything that contradicts catholic teaching or reason or scholarly opinion in his writings. You can try mentioning what contradicts your declarative sentences and disinfo, but the college, from what I understand, is not a neocon propaganda mill, so good luck.

                  • Art Deco

                    No disinformation. My regrets you have superlatively bad judgment (as well as a case of the Jew thing). The president of Wyoming Catholic College may or may not take an interest in that (if he is your actual employer).

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      Go for it. Nothing to hide. Socratic skepticism towards all claims, especially those that come out of the corporate controlled media, until they meet the standards of reason, evidence, and philosophical and theological truth, is nothing to be ashamed of. Indeed, it is precisely what academics and scholars with PhD’s are obliged to do. The scandal is how many Catholic academics have bowed down to the naked emperor and have become puppeteers in the cave of unexamined opinion.

                    • Art Deco

                      I’m afraid those of us who’ve loved someone who is clinically paranoid are familiar with your modes of reasoning.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Absolutely. My cousin, properly medicated is sweet and amiable. Without, it’s delusions of surveillance by her physician and a myriad of other things, said with absolute certitude, and insistence on being disproved.

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      As you know, anyone who dissented from the party line in the soviet union was first accused of having a mental disorder . Great work comrad!

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      I have never once brought up “the Jews”. It is you who have done so. I wonder who has the obsession?

                    • Art Deco

                      No, you listed a small country in the Near East and the particularism of the residents thereof (alone of the world’s particularisms) as one of the two cardinal threats to world peace. Nuttin’ to do with who lives there. I’ll just move along.

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      Many Jews in the state of Israel reject expansionism and the oppression of the Palestinians. I am in solidarity with them. And any man of Goodwill. Your insinuation of racism is typical of your disinformation and reflects on your dishonesty and willingness to resort to sub rational tactics when your arguments fail.

                    • Art Deco

                      Many Jews in the state of Israel reject expansionism and the oppression of the Palestinians.

                      Won’t do them a bloody bit of good. The only deal acceptable to north of a third of the Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza ends with the dissolution of Israel. There’s another 30% or so who would prefer to take the slow boat and just insist that a fuzzily defined category of Arabs be allowed to settle in Israel at their own discretion.

                      I should note that the territory under the control of the Government of Israel has since 1949 expanded by a net of 1,800 sq. miles. That would be about the area of Essex County, N.Y. (The Memel district taken by Germany in March 1939 has an area of 1,100 sq mi). It would have been close to zero if the Arabs had been willing to take a deal 13 years ago. You want everything, you get nothing.

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      I disagree with you here art deco but I’m glad to be back on topic. I have used my real name here because I think it contributes to a more honest discussion, but it does have its risks especially when interlocutors resort to personal animadversions and professional detraction. Pless refrain from this in the future. Let us stick to the arguments.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Lie.

                      “Are you against Chomsky because he’s Jewish”

        • Arriero

          The Catholic Kings of Spain expelled both the muslims and the jews from the Spanish Catholic lands.

          Insofar as we don’t despise the history of the Church. We have to say clear these kind of things. Rome has no friends or allies other than romans. «You are either with me or against me».

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos

        • Art Deco

          The greatest threat to the world and the church right now is American and Israeli/Zionist exceptionalism,

          Israel has a population just shy of that of metropolitan Chicago and a domestic product about that of Finland’s (and less than Austria’s or Swizterland). The notion that ‘Zionist exceptionalism’ is among the ‘greatest threats to the world’ beggars belief.

          • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

            And they have an arsenal of nuclear weapons and do not permit inspections.

            • Art Deco

              Actually, the extent of their nuclear stockpile is unknown and they have never made a public point of possessing any nuclear technology (in spite of the politicidal and genocidal aims of some of their enemies). I am not aware of any country which permitted inspections of their military facilities prior to the end of the Cold War. China has a nuclear stockpile, as does India, as does Pakistan. Somehow these countries are not among ‘the greatest threats to the world’.

            • Art Deco

              Gaza is a wretched place to live because the Hamas crew have no real skills.

          • Senhorbotero

            Mr Deco, methinks you have your head in the sand.
            Perhaps a tour of the Israel Lobby might open your eyes.

            • Art Deco

              We are talking about a country which has 7.5 million people in it and an annual domestic product of about $200 bn. It’s a parliamentary republic with a variegated and quite contentious political culture, but not much history of abusive behavior by state actors over and above what you would see in an ordinary occidental country. For a country it’s size, it has an unusually well-stocked and seasoned military, but that’s a function of the political matrix in which they live, a matrix they do not control. It’s been in several wars with neighboring states (all between 1947 and 1974), but these were largely at the initiative of these neighboring states. It’s fought hard against paramilitary forces camped out in Lebanon and the West Bank and Gaza, but the paramilitary forces wish them ill and there is no discernable way to have aught but a temporary armistice with these forces. Nothing Israel can do about its political predicament other than make some incremental adjustments. This is “Thaddeus Kozinski”‘s idea of the world’s greatest threat to the peace.

              And he cannot read maps. Aside from his tendentious description of Israel’s screening and patrol around about Gaza, he neglects this:

              https://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gazastrip91.jpg

              Israel cannot unilaterally blockade Gaza without coming to blows with Egypt. There’s a reason Israel and Egypt keep careful tabs on imports into Gaza. The place is run by a criminal organization.

              In Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and the residuum of the League of Nations mandate, there are 20-odd million Arabs who favor the Levantine vernacular. About 5% are citizens of Israel and about 2% live in the plumb colored zones on this map. This modest minority of the Syrian minority of the vast Arab world is the obsession of various and sundry international organizations.

              http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Settlements2006.jpg/220px-Settlements2006.jpg

              “Thaddeus Kozinski” attempts to re-frame the reality manifested in those maps by referring to the Gaza strip as an ‘open air prison’. The transparent fraud and malice in so doing is manifest.

              There have been multiple attempts over more than 20 years to hand off the West Bank and Gaza to local Arab authorities, all to no avail because those Arab politiicians and grandees live and work in a milieux where the continued existance of a Jewish republic next door is simply unacceptable. You can look at the survey research indexed by Polling the Nations. Maybe a third of the population of the West Bank and Gaza is willing to cut a deal with their Jewish neighbors and that’s reflected in the few election returns you’ve had in those territories.

              I am sorry you chaps are fools and deeply unpleasant if not deranged fools for a that.

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                Eight Catholic bishops from Europe and North America have visited the Christian community in Gaza.

                The Vatican high profile delegation included Patrick Kelly, archbishop of Liverpool; Richard Smith, archbishop of Edmonton, Canada; Gerald Kicanas, bishop of Tucson, US; Michel Dubost, bishop of Evry, France; and Riccardo Fontana, bishop of Arezzo-Cortona-Sansepolcro, Italy.

                French Bishop Dubost’s comment was, “Last week, I asked prisoners in the largest prison in Europe (in Evry) to pray for you”.

                News.va, the Roman Catholic Church news agency, published a report on the event, writing, “The signs of the 2009 conflict and the continuing Israeli air strikes are all around…”.

                Not a word about the so-called Islamic repression of that tiny Christian community in Gaza – and Bethlehem and the rest of the PA.

                The prison comparison was reiterated by another bishop. “I have just returned from visiting two of the largest ‘open prisons’ in the world – Bethlehem and the Gaza strip”, wrote William Kenney, auxiliary bishop in Birmingham who led the Catholic delegation. Bishop Kelly said that “violence is evil especially when it blocks humanitarian relief desperately needed”.

                Raymond Field, auxiliary bishop of Dublin, also defined the Gaza Strip as “a large prison”.

                Last December, Palestinian Hamas leader, Mahmoud al Zahar, met with with Father Manuel Musalam, head of the Latin Church in Gaza, “Christians are not threatened by Muslims” – Musalam said – everyone faces the same problem, that of Israel’s “humiliation”.

                The Bishops’ official visit in Gaza is part of a Vatican course of action with the Palestinian Authority. Last September, Patriarch of Jerusalem Fouad Twal, named by Pope Benedict XVI, was at the White House for a meeting with the American administration as well as to support the PA statehood bid at the UN.

                Several days ago the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales compared the Palestinians to the Jesus’ passion. “We are to be freshly attentive to the needs of those who, like Jesus himself, are displaced and in discomfort”, Archbishop Vincent Nichols said during his Christmas Mass sermon at Westminster Cathedral. “A shadow falls particularly heavily on the town of Bethlehem tonight … We pray for them tonight”.

                At the Al Liqa center Christmas’ celebration Muslim Palestinians presented a Qur’anic recitation of the birth of ‘Isa. Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus.

              • Senhorbotero

                Mr Deco,
                We are talking about a group that virtually controls the US media, runs the global financial system, posseses great enough influence to require the interogation of prospective US presidents on their key issues and apparently presents them the acceptable position if they wish to become pres. I suspect you are attempting to cover up areas of influence quite commonly understood by obscuring things with somewhat irrelevant observations. The groups being referred to here use subtlety, bribery and wealth to acheive their objectives. We support them with massive redistribution of US taxpayer funds, preferential treatment regarding military secrets, confidential technologies, and public support wherever it is needed.

                All that being said I do not blame them. It is very good global strategy to use others to accomplish ones objectives. Do an intellectual comparison between what is supported ideologically in this country and then correlate it with the actual practices of Israel.

                • Art Deco

                  We are talking about a group that virtually controls the US media, runs
                  the global financial system, posseses great enough influence to require
                  the interogation of prospective

                  You’ll annoy this “Kozinski” fellow. He’s very careful to avoid these sorts of tropes.

            • TheAbaum

              Whose head of state did Obama bow to?

              • Senhorbotero

                Obama is irrelevant to these point. He may be the first president to not bow in this case. We are talking years of activities that long precede the present. Obama is a concern in other ways but with regard to israel he may be inching toward the right conclusions.

        • bbrown

          ………….” Because when one sees one’s country and governmental actions as
          exceptional, meaning that whatever one does is blessed by God, then one
          can trespass against the natural law without conscience..”

          Being exceptional does not mean this to most Americans. It means being proud of and wanting to conserve our constitutionally federated republic and it’s original rule of law, respect for religious freedom, and protection of basic liberties such as life and property. Sure we’re losing all this with accelerating speed, but one must recognize and value our unique and amazing heritage if we are to save or salvage it.

          • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

            Nothing wrong at all with that, of course. We must try to save our republic, for it has been hijacked. Nobody better to read on this than Paul Craig Roberts. Rather, I am talking about the fanatical neoconservative exceptionalism of the project for a new American century, full spectrum dominance, “we need a new Pearl Harbor” variety. It seems to me that this is a common ideology of the mainstream right and left, whatever their superficial differences.

            • Art Deco

              Nobody better to read on this than Paul Craig Roberts.

              If you want an example of a man lost in political fictions.

        • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

          The NWO-driven Americans and their Western allies have killed tens of millions in these coups, interventions, destabilization campaigns, and undeclared wars. According to André Vltchek and Noam Chomsky’s book On Western Terrorism, the total number killed is over 50 million since World War II. If we add to this the number of people tortured, brutalized, falsely imprisoned, forced to become refugees, or who had their lives ruined by Western terrorism, the number of victims reaches the hundreds of millions.

          Obviously, we should we be worried about Islam!

          • Art Deco

            Tens of millions? You’re trying to demonstrate to us that neither you nor Noam Chomsky cares where you put your decimal points?

        • Senhorbotero

          Never posted here before but your comments prompted me to offer my support. It takes only a little travel ourside this country to understand exactly what you have just written and to add ones agreement. I recently spent 6 months in Brazil after having not been there for a few years. One can in the changes readily see how our country has been influencing them in a very negative way. The culture is sinking under our influence and the youth are almost gone the way ours have.

          I would though suggest that while i think you are right the cause of our decline is embedded within the left. Thus we need to root out that evil and by doing so bring ourselves back to perhaps being a factor in the good and not the evil we are today. If anyone doubts the negative influence of America listen to the people of Uganda and understand what we have done to their anti aids efforts. Right now they are threatened by us over their desire not to recognize homosexual marriages…one could on and on about how we interefere with local peoples all over the world. Consider why the US offers no help to Christians being massacred. You, sad to say are correct sir.

          • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

            Thank you for your post. Don’t hate America for these crimes you mention, but instead hate the evil ideology of American exceptionalism that causes them.

            • Senhorbotero

              Appreciate your advice but i must say i do not hate anybody but i also have had my eyes opened and have seen directly the things you describe. I am not in camp with you on 9/11 but as of this reading on everything else you have said, i think you are spot on. As you say it is ideology that i draw a bead on but often despair that certain ideas have become so embedded into our world that there is precious little that can be done to counter things. I know though that good people of intelligence are working to reveal things as they are and in that i take hope. Good men of the west must stand and prepare for what must be done.

              • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                Sorry, I changed my reply. Didn’t mean to accuse you of hate at all! About 9/11: I do not have a “position” on this other than to say that, from what I have gathered, the official explanation has been proven by thousands of researchers and scholars to be an inadequate one.

                • Senhorbotero

                  No problem. I have enjoyed reading your posts on here. It is nice occasionally to find a parallel to ones own conclusions. As to the US. I too love the country as in geography and appreciate the rather comfortable life i have here and really care for about half the people. The other half i fear are way gone and not recoverable but that makes the odds even….we just have to work harder because the other side is deeply entrenched and has about a 200 year head start. Take care.

                • Art Deco

                  the official explanation has been proven by thousands of researchers and scholars to be an inadequate one.

                  The ‘thousands of researchers’ would be an electrochemist from Brigham Young, an engineer from Clemson who designs dentures, an aerospace engineer in Florida who hasn’t worked since 1982 (but is the bishop of his own made-up church), and the crackpot architect from Frisco.

                  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                    Your aptitude for disinformation is astounding: http://www.ae911truth.org/

                  • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                    I’m starting to think you are paid disinfo agent. How many times can an agent’s disinfo be refuted and discredited before he is fired?

                    • Art Deco

                      You’ve refuted and discredited nothing. James Fetzer has a considerable history trading in rubbish (see his Kennedy assassination books) and that crew is who he recruited among the world’s engineers to join his crappy letterhead organization. Even the Col./Dr. Bowman (the lapsed aerospace engineer) was fairly circumspect in his remarks ca. 2007. Dr. Wood the denture designer was chuffering about the structural properties of trees. Dr. Jones the electrochemist laid aside his cold fusion research to join Fetzer’s crusade.

                    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

                      Yes, we all know that the official explanation of Kennedy’s assassination is beyond question. How much do you get paid to parrot mindlessly every official narrative of the corporate controlled media and government elites? Is it worth sacrificing your intellectual integrity?

                    • Art Deco

                      I get paid not a dime to point out that Josiah Thompson (who finds Fetzers work an embarrassment) has over 45 years failed to demonstrate there was a 2d gunman and came to that conclusion initially by using an inaccurate schematic drawing of the presidential limousine. Gov. Connolly was seated on a meridian about six inches to the president’s left and in a jump seat several inches closer to the ground; the shots actually line up quite nicely. The Governor and his wife were splattered with the President’s brains; the shots came from behind.

                      It’s quite something that the Cathedral managed to identify Lee Harvey Oswald as the perfect patsy given the brief span of time he has been back in Dallas, arranged for 11 separate individuals to suggest places for him to apply for work and refuse to hire him so that he could be hired by the Texas School Book Depository, persuaded him to bring curtain rods to work that day, persuaded him (nearly alone of his co-workers) to disappear from the Depository that afternoon, and persuaded him to kill a Dallas policemen in front of a mess of eyewitnesses (or did the eyewitnesses work for the Cathedral as well?).

                      They really must have had something on Jack Ruby to persuade him to put a bullet in Oswald in broad daylight so he could spend the last three years of his life in prison.

                    • TheAbaum
    • Art Deco

      Paul Craig Roberts is a purveyor of the 9/11 truther nonsense. He’s lost if not senile.

  • Arriero

    Let me redefine the title: «Cuatriple Trouble: The Leftist Threat, The Rightist Threat, The Calvinist threat and the Islamist Threat».

    As Pope Francis wisely said some time ago: «Nunca he sido de derechas» (I’ve never been a right-winger). Clear as water.

    Few attention is paid to the calvinist – and profoundly anti-Catholic – wing of the right, which in my opinion, is already, without any doubt, the biggest threat to Catholicism insofar as this wing has slightly infiltrated within the same Church.

    Since minute one the Church knew that marxism was an enemy and that islamism was another enemy. But the Church, for geo-political reasons (the 80’s, the Wall, communism in the East, etc.), was in some way compliant with the Nihilists right as it saw them as the lesser evil in that moment. Real conservatives should break relations with such harmful group. Pope Francis is decided to do so, and we will follow him.

    The worst enemies are those you considered your friends.

    • CadaveraVeroInnumero

      How can Calvinism be a threat when even evangelicalism (Protestantism long ago did it) shook that dust from their sandals? But then you are not being honest, for you ars using “calvinism” as a stand-in for something quite other. In fact you are being a bit leftist – maybe a bit Thermidorian – in your rationalization.

      But then, in spite of how much I left behind my former lives as a Baptist, a Satanist, a Jesus People communist, an Anglican, and an Eastern Orthodox to swim the Tiber, I have never been – nor likely ever will be – a Catholic tribalist.

      • bbrown

        Was the progression in that order? I sort of hope not. It looks like you have a very interesting story that would be worth telling.

        • CadaveraVeroInnumero

          Yes, in that order. This and that, then into the Catholic Church – via Aquinas, but then that’s just me.

          It may disturb “Arriero”, above, but there was also a very serious delving in Calvinism – of the Christian Reconstruction sort – between Jesus People Communism and Anglicanism; credit it with a rescue from the nihilism Arriero is so wound up about.

          • Arriero

            There is a good anecdote that has just come to my mind.

            Jehovah’s Witnesses usually go home by home trying to «convert» people to their faith through explanation of how rosy everything is in their world, etc. One day they come to a house, they knock on the door and an old man opens. Jehovah’s witnesses – with their immaculate clothes and smiling faces full of joy – then quickly begin to explain this old man what their faith is about and why he should know it. Suddenly, politely but strongly, the old man interrupts them and just affirms: «Sorry, I am not able to believe in the one true Faith, the Catholic Faith, do not expect me to do the folly thing of believing in yours. I don’t believe in God, but I have enough decency to distinguish between a snake and a lion».

            At least, you have eventually come to believe in the only True Faith. Even the acerbic Oscar Wilde was intelligent enough to convert to the Faith some hours before dying.

            • tom

              Teddy Kennedy may have also.

      • Arriero

        – «How can Calvinism be a threat when even evangelicalism (Protestantism long ago did it) shook that dust from their sandals?»

        Calvinism is so irrationally nihilist, that even Luther despised it. Ultimately, Luther asked for last rites before dying, maybe he eventually realized what he had done; namely, opening the box of relativism. But calvinism is not only a Church enemy from a purely magisterial, theological and theoretical point of view; it has spread the most selfish, irrational and anti-human ideology, which still has representation in economic and political matters. The post-modern CEO-ideology is a product of calvinism, for instance. In fact, postmodernism in itself feeds from some of the premises put above the table by the first calvinists. Moreover, calvinism is the anti-life and anti-freedom – ergo anti-human – ideology par excellence. When you read Nietzsche’s criticism of christianity, you’re simply reading a very wise critique of the anti-life protestant no-religion. That’s why he’s the less anti-Catholic among all atheist philosophers. The Church is our beloved hierarchical and dogmatic Institution.

        – «[…] In fact you are being a bit leftist – maybe a bit Thermidorian – in your rationalization.»

        The first modern communists were Thomas Muntzer and John of Leiden, probably. And they were, indeed, nihilist butchers (see for instance the polygamus bacchanalia anti-Life theocracy he established). It’s interesting noticing how some of the foremost anti-human (expressed through racial hate) characters during the American Civil War were staunch calvinists – or copies of that no-religion – (see Fort Pillow slaughter).

        – «[…] To string a broken, cobbled string from Calvinism to Nihilism – via odd way-stations and byways – is poor history, in fact or as craft.»

        Calvinism IS nihilism. Till the protestant Reformation came, and especially until the calvinist irrational revolution, nihilism was a forgotten and not taken into account concept, except for those precursors of the anti-Reason clímax. Catholicism is the only truly rational religion. The Reformation needed to be Irrational (evil) to fight against Reason (good).

        – «[…] I have never been – nor likely ever will be – a Catholic tribalist».

        Those of us who come from a millenarian Catholic tradition, full of Catholic heroes who proudly fought to uphold the Truth, the Faith and the Church like to recall and old roman phrase: «Roma traditoribus non praemiat», ROME DOES NOT PAY TRAITORS.

        The Truth is One, and it’s in possession of the Church.

        • tom

          The commies ( Democrats) have the knowledge, money, means and opportunity to destroy Christianity and mostly have. We can’t blame that on the Muslims or the Calvinists, can we?

          • bbrown

            “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
            -Mathew 16:18

  • Vinnie

    The author missed NASA –
    “It’s not really surprising that President Obama told NASA administrator Charles Bolden that his highest priority should be “to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.” It fits with so much that we already knew about the president.” Mona Charen 7/7/10

    Also, “….but the whole planet.” Catholism wants the whole planet as well, but through faith, hope and charity, not politics or force.

  • poetcomic1

    Radical Left + Islam. One strange marriage. Many ‘strange’ marriages are driven by an underlying lust. Perhaps what the Wiemar Germans called ‘mordlust’.

    • tom

      ,,,and where did they wind up, mein Fuhrer?

      • TheAbaum

        Not called for…

  • Your body cannot do anything with ‘asbestos’ but attempt to surround it, keeping it apart from the rest of the body. It eventually will kill you anyway. So it goes. Anything you cannot assimilate or that supports the entire whole must be eliminated.

  • cestusdei

    Hatred makes for strange bedfellows.

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  • Michael Walsh

    James Burnham (back in the 60s) dubbed liberalism “the ideology of Western suicide”, in his book “Suicide of the West”. He argued that the Left rationalizes its surrender and loss of cultural will to live by creating an ideology of fantasy that apologizes for and supports the threat to Western civilization. At that time it was communism, today it is Islamism. Malcolm Muggeridge had a somewhat different take, notably in his essay “The Great Liberal Death Wish”. Muggeridge argued that liberalism welcomes it’s own destruction and will engage in any idiocy to justify the force out to destroy the Western way of life. We are dealing with the “mystery of iniquity” here.

  • CadaveraVeroInnumero

    It can be documented and explicated; there is an affinity between the Left and Islam (no need for adjectives – I tire of them!) even on moral issues. For instance, they both accept homosexuality as acceptable behavior – regardless of how many “gays” are hung from cranes in Iran.

    Sex in Islam does not mirror the judeo-christian understanding of it. If it does, that is only because Islam is a double heresy: a Christian one, and a Jewish one.

    This irritant hope that Islam is our ally in the culture wars will be our undoing.

    • hombre111

      Nothing to add, but to marvel at the blogname “CadaveraVeroInnumero,” which means, “Yea verily, I count the numberless dead bodies.” Are you a mortician, sir? A grave digger? A marine sniper? A mass murderer? Just wondering.

      • CadaveraVeroInnumero

        It can also be loosely translated as “where the bodies lie”.

        Picked it up, put it on as a kind of prayer. A year ago, this coming Easter Monday morn, someone I cared for was “took and taken” for being, well, almost such – and on my reporting. The tag reminds me of what happened, what almost happened, and the call to pray when I do.

        • hombre111

          With all due respect, I am not sure it can be translated in that way. “Cadavera”= dead bodies
          “Vero”= an ablative that can be translated: in truth, indeed, in fact, ironically as “to be sure,” or in an adversary way, “but in fact.”
          “innumero”= if it is an adjective, the case ending is wrong, but it could be in-numera, a neuter plural to match cadevera, a neuter plural, meaning “without number,” or “countless.”
          So, what we probably have is “In truth, countless dead bodies.”

          But still, the amazing story you tell is interesting, and worth remembering. Where I reside, a young priest took off, leaving this huge parish with only one priest, and so, at age 75, I am back at work again, hopefully only for a while. I was with a family in the hospital the other day when they turned off life support. Went back three days later to find him still alive, and his family faithfully there. Made me thoughtful, patrolling the edge of death that way. Priests and family members do that, walking along the brink of death with loved ones. Once in a while, they seem to be snatched back. But so often, we watch them “leave.” It is a real experience. The person we knew simply goes away and leaves a body behind.

          • CadaveraVeroInnumero

            Will yield to your Latin. Kids these days! Even clerical ones.

            Walking along the “brink of death” with others: Reminds me of Mr. C’s. Father Brown whose talent in solving the mysteries of iniquity came from a lifetime of hearing confessions. How, as with the coming of death, he must always walk with others along the ‘brink” of their sins, knowing full well – maybe unlike death – more could have been said, more clues hauled into the daylight to solve, as with murder, the lure of temptation. Above all, to carry this “brinkmanship” – as no other is called to do – in silence, under the seal of confession.

            My wife and I always watch the (old) BBC version of Brideshead Revisited each lent. I am never untouched by the power (and authority of confession.

            This year I have a certain bitterness to confess against someone who should be sitting where my young friend presently is; for whenever I see his yellow van roll down Main a certain hatred wells up. But, at least, I am comforted – due too my reporting – that a carcass of dog or cat was not laid upon the altar (as it almost happened on Holy Thursday, last), and that a local parish church was not burned to the ground.

            [For those prone to surmise and gossip, the man was no priest. My friend instinctively knew – for we are all sons of Adam – that only shed blood could wash away the evil that fell upon him. I exhausted my voice explaining that such Blood was already spilled. He thought otherwise; that it was a different kind of shedding, one of his own doing. He found my icons of Christ and the Theotokos upon the wall too painful to gaze upon.

            He was “took and taken” last Easter Monday morn. This coming Holy Week is, for me, a bitter anniversary. I’m walking through it with a heavy heart. I only wish to rid it of its bitterness..

            • hombre111

              So, you are in my prayers. May the peace of Christ surround you.

    • Jimi Burden

      Islam doesn’t accept homosexuality. It’s universally condemned by all schools of sharia.

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        “In his book Fat-h al-Qadir, the famous Hanafi scholar, Ibn al-Humam (d 861) states:

        “Al-Bayhaqi reported in his book Shu`ab al-Iman on the authority of Abu ad-Dunya that Abd al-`Aziz ibn Abi Hazim related from Dawud ibn Bakr who related from Muhammad ibn al-Mukadir the following:

        “Khalid Ibn al-Walid wrote to Abu Bakr [seeking the legal ruling] concerning a man with whom another man had sexual intercourse. Thereupon, Abu Bakr gathered the Companions of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and sought their opinion. `Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, was the strictest of all, saying, ‘Only one nation disobeyed Allah by committing such sin and you know how Allah dealt with them. I see that we should burn the man with fire.’ The Companions unanimously agreed on this.”

        • CadaveraVeroInnumero

          Apparently, my extended reply was not posted. That is OK, I do not mind.

          To summarize, Islam is double-minded about homosexuality, as it is with most ethical question. Whether a question is answered this way or that way, all is under the sway of Allah’s character – which, itself, is composed of whim and whimsy. All is under the fancy of Allah’s Will, which is characterized by a totalitarian volunteerism, not by logos and natural law. In Islam one does not reason about the *itness* of the moral, the moral life, and draw conclusions. In Islam one thinks and lives under the frightful reign of Allah’s pure will, which is arbitrary and moves among the affairs of men with caprice. The point being, Allah, with his capricious, arbitrary, Pure Will, settles for nothing less thanTotalitarian Oneness – which is the same goal as the totalitarian Left.

          Again, this (classical, orthodox, historic Islam) presents itself as the ideal religion for Eoropean and American Leftist.

          Yes, one can list various texts showing a presumed distaste for homosexuality. Yet that ethical distaste is grounded in what exactly? It is based upon what exactly?

          Then there is the Islamic “nuance” in how Islam actually actually classifies homosexuals and homosexual acts: based upon if one is a member of the household of Islam or not, based upon age and the onset of puberty, based upon if it is an act of Jihad or not (with the attending notion of possession won by war), and based upon contingent factor of aggression and submission (as it is with the authorities within Tehran’s infamous Ervin Prison). And let us not forget the equally famous Dancing Boys of Afghanistan, and the homoerotic underpinnings of the Dervish movement. For more, check out the older postings of Jamie Glazov over at FrontPage Magazine.

          In sorting all this out again we we are reduced to appealing to Allah – to Allah’s nature and character. It is that which, ultimately, provides sex – and sexual behavior – with its Islamic definition. So, then, how does Allah’s capricious, arbitrary, pure (that is, totalitarian) will write the definition of Islamic sex?

          Sounds as if Allah is a relativist. And so iwould sex be Islam: on one hand those famous Quranic walls fall upon homosexuals, on the other homosexuality is much accepted and practiced within Islamic societies. It is a hypocrisy in which Islam has settled for since it whirlwind out from the sands of Arabia. One only has to read the historic record, both Islamic and Western, to see that.

          One last note. That history also records the witness of Christian martyrs who refused to yield to the homoerotic component of Islam’s Jihad. A famous story from the fall of Constantinople, a modern one in the sainted martyrs of Uganda.

          • bbrown

            Islam seems a hypocritical form of pragmatism rife with sexual perversion. Goodness, just look at the life of Muhammad.

  • tom

    Islam can’t rule a modern state the way atheistic Marxists can. Muslims also have some respect for others of “The Book”. Marxists want all religion eradicated. So, the #1 enemy for Western Civilization remains the communists in Beiping, Caracas, Hanoi and your local university’s philosophy department. .

    • NasicaCato

      Marxism cannot rule states for long. It either burns itself out (Russia, etc.) or morphs into something else entirely (China) Marxist utopian thinking is too much at variance with human nature. Sadly not so with Islam. Islam has ruled states for fourteen centuries. The fact that they will fail to be modern is of no concern to Muslims.

      • bbrown

        True, but an awful lot of murder and genocide can occur in the span of 50 or 75 years. And no one does mass murder like progressive utopianist modern liberals, given the power and control to do so.
        At least Muslims have a code, albeit one that includes jihad and coercion or extermination of non-Muslims. Fortunately this is rejected by the great majority, or variously misinterpreted.

        • NasicaCato

          I’m not so sure it is rejected by the majority. Rather when Muslims are in a position of weakness, they are allowed to downplay and lie about their motivations and beliefs. I’m not downplaying the evil of the utopians, only their staying power. 1,400 is a long long time.

          • bbrown

            Excellent points all around Nasica.

          • tom

            So, you prefer Marxist rule to the Muslim School, a heresy of Christianity. In contrast I see Marxism as pure Evil.

  • Three Muwahiddun are the “most influential Islamic theorists of the twentieth century”? I’d say “there’s your problem right there”, but then, many would consider Martin Luther, Jean Calvin, and Huldrych Zwlingli the most influential Christian theologians of the 15th. Too bad there’s no Caliph, no Pope, to point to and say, there is the opposition.

    • Michael Paterson-Seymour

      Jean Calvin was born in the 16th century (1509), but I take your point.

      • Thanks for the correction. And Rightly, even Martin Luther didn’t become popular until the 16th- 1517 was when the 95 thesis were nailed to the door, I’m hoping that 2017 will be the year that the ones about the Pope will be retracted.

  • John Uebersax

    May I suggest that the key is to approach today’s situation positively, and to ask instead: what can we do as Christians and Catholics to make the Gospel flourish? And that, while Islam and leftism may present certain challenges to Christianity, to approach these challenges as “threats” launches us automatically into the realm of fear-based thinking; and that fear- and love-based thinking cannot co-exist?

    • CadaveraVeroInnumero

      How aboutnd s tour – hopefully guarded – in Nigeria, or any “no-go” area in France or Germany? Heck, why go that far, Deerfield, Mi, will do.

      Better yet, where is the authority in Islam to whom I can go to to ink out those verses in the Qur’an which ask for my demise, enslavement, and even death, for not being Muslim? Or, should I simply place all my trust – and personal well-being – in these never-ending interfaith colloquiums, conferences, and hand-holding prayers in some, admittedly gorgeous, Italian hilltop town.

      Let’s do talk. But first guarantee the safety of not only my person but also the laws of reason.

      Sometimes caution and fear is the most reasonable response.

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  • theorist

    “In reality, Islam is a revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks
    to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in
    conformity with its own tenets and ideals.” (Jihad in Islam, p. 8)

    According to Maududi, “Islam requires the earth—not just a portion but the whole planet.”

    What makes this any different from how Catholicism used to operate?

    Wasn’t Catholicism a revolutionary ideology which sought to rebuild, alter, and reshape the whole planet? Why aren’t we going out and conquering peoples minds and hearts if not bodies?

    Oh I forgot, “invincible ignorance” and “baptism of desire” -apparently not even God, the divine spouse, cares enough about his treasured Catholicism to want to expand it and favor it above all others.

    Also:

    SPLC was founded by Joseph Levin Jr. and Morris Seligman Dees. Today it is run by J. Richard Cohen.

    Jews opened the gates of toledo to the invading saracens: http://www.sephardicstudies.org/islam.html

    From the link, we know that the reason they did this was $$$, “The occupation of Iberia
    by the Moors was a welcome occurrence for a well pummeled and remaining
    Jewish population.” Hume wrote in his book “Spanish People”: “Side
    by side with the new rulers lived the Christians and Jews in peace. The
    latter rich with commerce and industry were content to let the memory of
    their oppression by the priest-ridden Goths sleep.”

    Perhaps similar motives obtain today?

  • Art Deco

    Examples of SCADs that have been officially proven include the Watergate
    break-ins and cover up; the secret wars in Laos and Cambodia; the
    illegal arms sales and covert operations in Iran-Contra; and the effort
    to discredit Joseph Wilson by revealing his wife’s status as an
    intelligence agent.

    Wilson has long been exposed as a scheming fraud, the Iran-Contra mess was not a ‘conspiracy against democracy’, bombing campaigns in Cambodia and Laos were not ‘conspiracies against democracy’ either, and the Watergate break in implicated about eight people and the cover-up perhaps a dozen others. There’s a reason it failed: most of those involved were rank and file lawyers who did not have the skill set for that sort of thing.

    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

      Art Deco has spoken! Lance de haven smith–you are a loon! No arguments, no evidence, just the magical power of . . . declarative statements! (And the definition of “loon”: someone who doesn’t agree with my magical declarative sentences).

      • Art Deco

        You assert, I counter-assert, only you have nothing but your imagination.

        Democracy was uninjured by the bombing of the Ho Chi Minh trail, so calling military operations in Cambodia a ‘conspiracy against Democracy’ is just arbitrary.

        Wilson hardly pretends to be anything but what he is.

        There were five people who conspired to burgle Lawrence O’Brien’s office. They were James McCord, Bernard Barker, Frank Sturgis, Eugenio Martinez, and Virgilio Gonzalez. Supervising the operation across the street were Gordon Liddy and Howard Hunt. They reported to Jeb Stuart Magruder. There were other people who had bits and fragments of knowledge of the Liddy crews activities and the campaign director John Mitchell knew in a general way that his counsel-general was running an illegal spying operation. As is, it was less injurious to procedural democracy than Lois Lerner’s activities.

    • Thaddeus J. Kozinski
      • Art Deco

        Yep, crackpots. The notion that the towers fell due to a ‘controlled demolition’ is promoted by sectaries and fools and has been thoroughly debunked by the National Institute on Standards and Technology and by Implosion World, among other authorities. It is not even minimally plausible as thousands of people were on hand to witness the planes flying into the buildings (all caught on film, which Morgan Reynolds says was a Cessna).

        • Thaddeus J. Kozinski

          Disinformation here, apparently deliberate disinformation. Discussion over. Deco must know that the architects and engineers in that video repudiate the “no planes” theory, yet he implies the opposite. He seems to be anywhere the unscripted truth might be becoming available on a catholic blog. He appears on the scene with scripted talking points and half truths and ad hominums to discredit any alternative media source that doesn’t parrot the corporate controlled media’s script.

          To blame the deplorable state of Gaza on Hamas, as if we are all blissfully unaware of the Israeli blockades of housing materials, food, and water, is as insulting as it is dishonest, and it shows callous disregard for the palestians’ plight. He uses trump phrases like ‘thoroughly discredited” to prevent one from looking into the matter to see that the precise opposite is the case. I am assuming a disinformation expert can be detected by intelligent Catholics, so you’ll forgive me if I quit while I am ahead. Au revoir.

          Discussion over.

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  • Jerome

    Alas, another muddled article on the topic of Islam. Actually Muslims and the western left have been largely indifferent to each other, although they find common cause often on certain political issues, as is well known. Although it is true that Islam is more political overall in its inherent way of thinking about the social order than Christianity (witness the custom of the first and second sermon tradition in Islamic Friday preaching, one political and one having to do with piety), Islam is a religion of pre-modern origin in the end, not a modern ideology. Anyone who thinks otherwise need to seriously read more, and more serious books on the matter.

    To say that Maududi, Al-Banna, and Qutb are the three most important Muslim thinkers of the current era is quite debatable. Before the 1980s or so, actually, their thought was pretty marginal. To be sure Maududi was popular earlier in Pakistan, but he was regarded as heretical by mainstream Sunni clerics for denying such doctrines as al-Dajjal (i.e. the Muslim equivalent of the Anti-Christ). He, although certainly influenced by Communism, regarded western secular liberal democracy as the main enemy of Muslims–scarcely a view to endear him to the mainstream western left. Al-Banna (and perhaps Qutb) are influential whereever the Muslim Brotherhood tradition is strong, but in most Muslim countries they are at best a large minority of Muslims. Although there are exceptions like Hamas, most the offshoots of their tradition are at least mildly anti-clerical (in the Muslim sense of the term ‘clergy’), and sometimes hostile to many traditional forms of Muslim piety. They are only one take on Islam these days, in other words.

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  • John Smith

    A philosophical basis for the relationship may be a shared disregard for the reality of natural law which western leftists hold in common with Islamic fundamentalists. See a reprise look at Robert Reilly’s “The Closing of the Muslim Mind: How Intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist Crisis” at Catholic World Report, “The Islamist Spring and the West’s Decline” http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/2544/the_islamist_spring_and_the_wests_decline.aspx . Notre Dame Law, Professor Emeritus Charles Rice amply described the Western disregard for natural law in the chapter on involuntary termination of the unwanted elderly, the Golden Age Center, in his 1979 Beyond Abortion: The Theory and Practice of the Secular State http://www.presentation-r2l.org/the-golden-age-center/ .

    To quote Prof. Rice:

    A positivist [an adherent to the judicial philosophy that all that is necessary for a law’s legitimation is that it be duly enacted, regardless of any consideration of natural or Divine law] will generally be one of two types. One type begins by denying his capacity to know anything beyond an empirical knowledge of individual things. This arid skepticism restricts the mind to the collection and empirical verification of data without coming to any knowledge of the nature of things. The skeptic says, “Nothing is certain.” But this is absurd, because he claims to know at least one thing for certain: that nothing is certain. “I tell you truly that we cannot know what is true.” Or the empiricist will say that, apart from mathematics and formal logic, a statement of fact is meaningful only if it can be empirically verified by observations. But this statement of “fact” is not empirically verifiable. The skeptic….will be a positivist because of his claimed inability to know objective truth.

    The second type of positivist begins with materialism. Nothing exists but matter. There is no personal, spiritual Creator; no free will, no free spiritual intellect. “Soul” is a mere label we use for the material activities of the brain. History is the story of the development of matter, explained by one theory or another.

    For the materialist, there are no absolute truths. There is no right or wrong, and the idea of justice has no meaning. The state is a wholly natural product of the evolution of social forces or other material elements. The positive law is fixed by the state without reference to any higher standard. Law is whatever the state decrees, and the essence of law is force. He is therefore a positivist.

  • Mr. Kilpatrick:
    My grandfather Whittaker Chambers equated Islamism with Communism?
    Please let me know where and when ASAP.
    With thanks – David Chambers | http://www.whittakerchambers.org/

  • Andrew

    From my understanding of it, the Left’s marriage to the Islamists goes back to ’20’s when the Soviet Union was still just the Bolsheviks and in an effort to legitimize their rule over the old imperial borders they named the Chechens and all various Muslims of the southern -stan’s allies and fellow oppressed members of the proletariat in their “glorious revolution” to come. Which is all well and good as a way to easily consolidate control of a post revolution country, but the problem is, “the revolution” also being a “worldwide” movement at the time, they broadcast this to the desperately naive communist in western countries, who took it to heart and disseminated it through the decades to their “progressive” political descendants. Thus creating the absurdly contradictory tie-up between the two groups.

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