When Catholic Leaders Abandon the Faithful

Earlier this year I warned that New York City’s centuries-old St. Patrick’s Day parade up 5th Avenue could soon be shut down for violating the human rights of gay groups. It never occurred to me that the parade’s organizers would unilaterally surrender the issue.

A political and public relations battle has raged for decades between the parade’s organizers—with historic ties to the Ancient Order of Hibernians, an Irish-Catholic fraternal organization—and groups which sought to march in the parade under banners proclaiming their sexual preferences. I thought the city’s progressive politicians would work to scuttle the parade’s legal basis by revoking permits and forbidding public workers such as police and firefighters to participate in the annual celebration of New York City’s patron saint. Wednesday’s announcement that the parade committee had caved and would let openly gay groups march under their own banners spared them that effort.

By now it’s common knowledge that the Catholic Church does not select who marches or otherwise have an official role in running the parade. But March 17 is a feast day on the Christian calendar set aside for celebrating and commemorating the holy life of Saint Patrick. The parade begins with a Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, the seat of the archbishop of New York and the mother church of an archdiocese comprising 368 parishes and 2.6 million Catholics. This year, in a vexing display of political naiveté, the parade will actually be led by New York archbishop Timothy Cardinal Dolan, recent former president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Suffice to say it’s a very Catholic parade. But for decades, New York’s Catholic leaders—including John Cardinal O’Connor and Edward Cardinal Egan—implored the faithful to stand tall and support the parade committee’s unpopular policy on the grounds that the parade is, and should remain, a non-political celebration of the Irish Catholic experience in New York. Hence, no pro-life banners, no pro-gay banners, no 9/11 truther banners, no anti-globalization banners—none of that.

Now, apparently, they’ve changed their minds.

My mother used to say, “There’s no sense in being Irish if you ain’t thick.” I guess I’m pretty Irish, because it never occurred to me that Cardinal Dolan—who once said of non-faithful Catholic politicians, “I am a pastor. I don’t want to embarrass you and you don’t want to embarrass me”—would, in the end, embarrass those faithful Catholics of his archdiocese and beyond who supported the parade committee’s staunch insistence that the event was no place for political posturing. I confess to being pretty confused. I thought the Church wanted us to stand for something. I thought we were told we’d be universally hated on account of Jesus’ name.

Ah well. Times change, I guess.

What really burned me up, though, was Dolan’s declaration at his press conference accepting the job of grand marshal. “I have no trouble with the decision at all,” he said, as if nothing of consequence had been heatedly debated over the past several decades. “I think the decision is a wise one,” he added. Aren’t those of us who put ourselves out on a limb to defend this parade owed a slightly more robust explanation of what happened than that? If Cardinal Dolan’s thinking on this subject has evolved, could he possibly enlighten those of us who view him as the de facto leader of the American church as to the reason why?

Absent an explanation, we get to hear the New York Times call the decision to drop the ban “a measure of changing attitudes in the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.” I’m not sure how they know that, but I do know that a great many faithful Catholics in New York City and across the country are feeling now like they got left holding the bag. How many of us defended the parade committee’s stance over the years, both in public and in private, only to have them suddenly and without warning reverse course? How many of us have suffered being called bigots and worse for supporting the parade’s historic Catholic identity only to have local Church leaders suddenly do an about-face and give blessing to the demands of crude, libelous, and disingenuous activist groups?

The Times reported that NBC/Universal, whose contract to air the parade on television expires next year, pressured the parade’s organizers to allow a group of its gay employees to march under a gay-themed banner. Reports had it that last year Guinness similarly withdrew its sponsorship of the parade.

So—what’s a faithful Catholic to conclude—it all comes down to money? If that’s true, I can’t think of anything more disheartening for an American Catholic community beaten down by six years of relentless attacks by the president and his HHS mandate, decades of relentless scrutiny stemming from the sexual abuse scandals, and a dominant culture intent on painting us as insensitive, backward, hate-mongers.

How many more lumps are we expected to take before our spiritual leaders demonstrate some commitment to principle? Why do we have to lose all the time?

In 2010, on the occasion of his first St. Patrick’s Day as archbishop of New York, Cardinal Dolan wrote a letter to the archdiocese. In it, he noted that the feast “should be a day of particular prayer” as well as “a good occasion to look at how we are living the Catholic faith that has been handed on to us by so many generations.”

A good occasion indeed.

(Photo credit: NYPD march in the 2014 St. Patrick’s Day parade with gay protest banner in background / David McGlynn.)

Matthew Hennessey

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Matthew Hennessey is a writer from New Canaan, CT, and a graduate of Hunter College and Fordham University. You can follow him on Twitter @matthennessey.

  • Antonio

    What is the problem? Catholics should just refused to march in the parade.

    Well i see the problem now.There is no catholics there, just people pretending, the only belivers there are those homosexuals and the believe in amoral lifestyle.

    For a beer and a false sense of irish pride Christ is denied. I bet many are not even Irish.

    joys of being catholic.

    • Ciarán Ó Coigligh

      The Saint Patrick’s Day Parade’s in Ireland, particularly the Dublin parade, have long ceased to have any vestige of Christian expression. It might be better to leave these public displays to the secularists and begin to promote truly Catholic Christian celebrations in communities in Ireland and throughout the world that would be welcoming of those of other Christian traditions and faith groups.

      • Objectivetruth

        Amen……all Protestant Irish can trace their faith (albeit, disjointly) back to the Catholic Saint Patrick. Having them march arm in arm with the Catholics, might be a good ecumenical step where the Protestant Irish realize their family ancestry was indeed Catholic.

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour

    The question is whether the St Patrick’s Day Parade should be seen as a Catholic event, or whether, regardless of its origins, it is now, essentially, a civic event, celebrating Irish identity.

    The confusion between the two may stem from a habit in certain Catholic circles, of conflating Irish and Catholic identity, overlooking the fact that Catholics, in recent centuries, have made up less than three-quarters of the population of Ireland (currently 73% of the total and about 87% in the Republic). The cathedral built by St Patrick in Armagh is now an Anglican church.

    This confusion strikes anyone living in the West of Scotland, as I do, as odd. In Glasgow, the three principle public celebrations of the Irish community are the Orange Walk on 12 July, celebrating King William of Orange’s victory over the Catholic King James at the Boyne and two marches by the Apprentice Boys of Derry, one on the first Saturday in December commemorating the “closing of the gates” by the apprentices of the city against King James’s army and the other the Relief of Derry by the Prince of Orange on the second Saturday in August. The common opprobrious epithet for an Irish (or, indeed, any) Catholic is “Fenian.”

    If the parade is a celebration of Irish identity, I can understand why Irish Catholics may well feel that they should not be excluded from it, whoever else participates.

    • Antonio

      “If the parade is a celebration of Irish identity, I can understand why Irish Catholics may well feel that they should not be excluded from it, whoever else participates.”

      Irish should participate, catholics should not.I guess it is a problem if you are a irish catholic. But hey, life is made od difficult choices, Christ or beer?

      Those who march with homosexuals have made there choice. It`s sodomy and beer.

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        Not at all. Why should not Catholics participate as representing one strand in the national tradition of Ireland? That certainly does not mean they endorse every other element in that tradition that others attend to celebrate with them.

        Why should I not celebrate Robert Burns as an Ayrshire poet, just because Freemasons also attend in their aprons, to celebrate him as a prominent member of the craft?

        • Antonio

          If you are marching side by side with somebody you are marching together.When they get tired you can hold their signs.

          iF you are catholic you do not march with those who promote sin.It is simple as that.

          But as we know nothing is simple anymore.

          • Michael Paterson-Seymour

            Nonsense.

            Communists, Trotskyites and Anarchists all march in the May Day parade, along with Trades Unions affiliated to the Labour Party. They have radically different policies (and detest each other) and marching in the parade does not imply support of any one of them.

            The parade itself is a celebration of organized labour, pure and simple.

            • Antonio

              That is their problem, catholics should not march with those that are promoting sin.

              • Michael Paterson-Seymour

                Why not? – They are not supporting sin. They are supporting a cause (laudable or, at least, innocent in itself) that those promoting sin also happen to support. In Scotland, priests marched with Communists in peace marches, anti-apartheid marches and many others..

            • Objectivetruth

              Your analogy fits if we we’re discussing a Memorial Day or Independence Day Parade. The American “melting pot” comes to mind.

              But we’re discussing what traditionally is a Catholic parade. And people walking in a Catholic parade representing and celebrating groups that essentially mock Catholic doctrine is plain and simple wrong.

              • Michael Paterson-Seymour

                But the question is whether it is (now) a Catholic parade or a celebration of Irish identity. If Cardinal Dolan thinks it is the latter, then all Irish groups have a place in it and, not least, Irish Catholics.

                • Objectivetruth

                  Then call it “the Irish Day Parade”, not the “Saint Patrick’s Day Parade.”

                  The bottom line is the door has been kicked open, and the parade will continue to metastasize in to a Gay Pride Parade. Any vestige of Catholicism (let alone Irishness) will be relegated to the history books in a couple of years.

                  • Kathy

                    Exactly! A gay pride parade is what it will become. What will Timmy say when they show up in their leather thongs and feather boas?

                • Antonio

                  What ever that parade is how does that change the fact that you are still a catholic and you should not be a part of something that is promoting sin?

                  How is that complicated? O yes, because of cardinal Dolan.

                  I am done, i am neither irish, or american, i am just a lucky catholic that has cardinals and bishops who would never be a part of this.

                  Well, God bless you all and have fun.

                • GG

                  We are talking about a Cardinal. No matter the parade he should not be part of it. If a NAMBLA group marched should the cardinal march too?

                • michael susce

                  You prove Objectivetruth’s point. You assert and his actions show that Cardinal Dolan believes that homosexuals are a legitimate Irish group because it is a celebration of Irish identity.

  • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

    I would wager that most people would still be offended at a “Gay Pride” presence in a Christmas parade, because no matter how many santas and elves there are, the connection with Christ is still remotely felt. But I would also bet that this connection will not be there much longer.

    • Antonio

      But when celebretion of homosexuality becomes the norm even in Christmas parades there will be catholics that will defend those who march.

      And to all a merry gay Christmas.

      • DE-173

        “I saw Daddy kissing Santa Claus”?.

        • somebigguy

          HA! That’s next. Watch.

        • fredx2

          Not kissing.

    • Objectivetruth

      Time to jettison December 25th to the secular, “Happy holidays” crowd. Move advent and Christmas Day to July, and turn it in to the solemn, religious, holy time it should be.

      • James1

        Perhaps 25 December should simply be a Mass, and the gift giving moved to 6 January. In Mexico, at least, gifts are also given on the Epiphany…

        Sure, you’re still stuck with gritting it through the silly, materialistic commercialism of “the holidays,” but the Catholic could maintain a family-centered, gift giving apart from the secular sheeple and still celebrate Christ’s birth appropriately.

      • Ford Oxaal

        Unite East and West by making the Feast of the Annunciation / Incarnation the biggest day in the Universal Church.

        • ForChristAlone

          Yes, to me a bigger day than Christmas since it was the point at which God took on a human nature. When had THAT ever happened before in the history of the world?

  • brians

    Am I the only one that’s eager for this generation of bishops to croak? Sometimes I wonder if they had their spines surgically removed during seminary. Compare them to the young men coming out of the seminaries today: I’ll be relieved to see the end of the gray ponytails, and to see the young fellers take over.

    That said, the point made by Dr. Williams below is valid: Christian cultural hegemony is over and done with, and there’s no use pretending otherwise. We need to turn our efforts toward evangelizing a post-Christian world: but first and foremost in our own homes and parishes.

    • Daniel P

      “Am I the only one that’s eager for this generation of bishops to croak?”

      No, I expect the devil is too. The devil would love for the younger generation to have authority thrust upon them before they are ready.

      • brians

        Most of the current generation never even bothered to assume the mantle of authority. Christ sends the bishops into the world as the Father sent Him: listen to the vacuous homilies – the effeminate voices – feel the limp-ass handshakes of the current generation of bishops. You can see the fear in their eyes, and hear it in their voices – fear of criticism, of the loss of influence, of discomfort, of martyrdom. Then sit under the teaching of a 30 or 35 year old priest, and watch as he points his flock to Christ, boldly and recklessly proclaiming Truth and Love, and then tell me who’s ready to bear the authority.

        You may be in a city with an exception in the Seat. Most of us are not.

        • somebigguy

          Right; this is the fruit of the New Evangelization. I know; several of my pastors are products of it.

        • Mark Duch

          Spot on.

      • michael susce

        True. Jesus, starting his ministry at thirty, would have done much better if He had been older…….

        • Daniel P

          Nice non sequitor. Some younger people are ready for huge responsibilities. Most are not. The best recipe for destroying the good character of young priests is to give them far too much responsibility before they are ready.

          • brians

            DanielP, there’s a degree of truthiness in your comment, but your overall thesis is way off. The best recipe for destroying the character of young priests is convincing them they’re executives or politicians rather than shepherds. I’d say that’s the fundamental issue with the current bishops. Thankfully, there are exceptions, but still, I’m eager for these faithful young guys to take over and lovingly, but firmly, defend orthodoxy. The title of the article is apt: the current crop has, in large part, abandoned the faithful.

            • Daniel P

              I haven’t advanced an overall thesis. I agree that politicking among bishops is sad and pathetic. I agree that far too many bishops are lightweights or heretics. But I also think that there are many wise older bishops, and they are in fact (in large part) responsible for the “faithful young guys” you mention. It certainly is that way in my diocese.

              So I don’t think your “eagerness for these bishops to croak” is wise, and it certainly doesn’t show proper gratitude or respect for one’s elders. Are such virtues unnecessary now, in our brave new critical world?

              • brians

                Am I wrong to want heterodox bishops out of the Seat of Authority? I realize it was an inflammatory comment, but was it inflammatory when Jesus called the money-changers a “den of thieves” and drove them from the temple with a whip?

                I’m not grateful to the men who led an entire generation astray: they have a millstone reward waiting for them. I can pray for them, I can love them on an individual basis, and I’m glad the Church offers Reconciliation, but most days, I’m as angry as Jesus was on the day he cleansed the temple. And yes, unlike Jesus, I have to confess sinful anger sometimes. Because I’m pissed.

                • Daniel P

                  “Am I wrong to want heterodox bishops out of the Seat of Authority?”

                  Of course not. But we are not charged with setting or interpreting the standards of orthodoxy. There are other people in charge of that, and they will be judged severely if they fail in their task.

                  • brians

                    The standards of orthodoxy are set and interpreted, and many of the current bishops have disregarded them. That’s the point. Dolan isn’t loving anyone with his actions. He’s misleading them, as American bishops have done for a half century. They’ve defiled the land, and it’s time for the land to spit them out.

                    • jay

                      Who are some of the really good ones?

              • TommyD6of11

                Respect for elders has its limitations. Such respect is to be presumed, but it can be squandered. The “wise older bishops” you reference hold theirs intact, not so the others.

      • Anon

        @Daniel P: Are freaking serious? You think faithful priests would be a bad thing because they’re younger? What do you mean having authority ‘thrust’ on them? You mean not having learned how to use weasel words and turn into jellyfish in the face of apostate governors like Cuomo and Christie? Just freaking stop it already. This bunch of old modernists can’t drop dead soon enough.

        • Daniel P

          I have seen first hand the way that a young priest having lots of pressure on him can force him to compromise. He did not compromise his orthodoxy in the case I’m talking about, but he compromised his human decency. I guess I’m crazy for thinking that older men, who have made such mistakes and learned from them, will be more capable of handling the responsibilities of the role of bishop without damaging the flock.

          Then again, I have no first hand experience of the type of weaselry you’re talking about. My bishops have not cow-towed to political pressure, thank God.

      • MIKE

        Any generation of Clergy that does not adhere to the Bible and the “Catechism of the Church, Second Edition” is loved by the devil.

        Any Bishop, Priest, or Nun that ignores or does not teach about the Mortal Sin of SCANDAL – well, JESUS says it best – Mt 18:6; Mt 7:15.
        And St. Paul – 1 Cor 8:10-12.

        CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
        It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
        Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others.
        Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing. “

      • TommyD6of11

        I thought you meant the devil was looking forward to receiving them in hell.

    • ForChristAlone

      .

    • Mary Rainey

      Read the book, “Goodbye, Good Men. It will tell you everything you need to know about what happened.
      Also, read “The Hope of the Wicked,” by Ted Flynn
      Say the rosary every day.

      • pygmallian

        That is an excellent book recommendation I do see improvement since a new crop of priests have moved in. i recently finished my theology degree and had the good fortune to study alongside twenty plus seminarians who were very orthodox , balanced not too far right or left , just good solid orthodox Catholics. The experience left me quite hopeful we will see a renewal in the Church we know who wins in the end.

    • Tiffany

      thank you! onward and upward, God willing. beginning in our domestic church, our homes… we can stay the course and participate where it doesn’t harm our families.

    • Pam

      Not really, because I fear what comes after them will be even worse! The next crop has been raised as pseudo Catholics perhaps or with this relativist mindset. I pray for the conversion of the current crop and the removal of some of the blatantly apostate ones so that those who come after them don’t rewrite the faith as some are already trying to do.

  • Daniel P

    Mr. Hennessey has rather confidently objected to an act of prudential discretion made by a Cardinal who is charged with leadership of the faithful. He implies that the Cardinal shows no commitment to principle.

    I have two problems with this: (1) The parade is months and months away. If the Cardinal were to intend to teach something through his action, it would make little sense to explain that fully now. At any rate, we do not know all the factors that went into this decision. (2) There is no principle that states that one cannot morally march in a parade with those advocating sin, just as there is no principle that states one cannot dine with tax collectors or prostitutes. These are matters of prudence, in which principle plays no role.

    • ForChristAlone

      I would recommend, then, that Dolan march alongside the gays in the parade. Let him really show his solidarity with the tax collectors and prostitutes. Let him invite the gays back to his 5th avenue mansion for lunch after the parade.

      • Daniel P

        ForChristAlone,

        Don’t you think you would have been scandalized by some of Christ’s actions, if you had been a 1st century Jew? If so, how can you be so confident that your judgment in this case is better than Dolan’s?

        (Note: Perhaps there is other evidence about Dolan I’m not familiar with, that explains people’s antipathy. Because I don’t quite understand the level of sarcasm you’re using here).

        • ForChristAlone

          He and some bishops like him seem to be motivated by money, power and prestige. You can tell an awful lot by the public behavior of our bishops. There are others who are humble servants and courageous defenders of the faith. Many of us here can name them. Then there are those who are rank politicians and we can name them as well.
          Let’s remember Christ’s words: “They are like sheep without a shepherd.”
          And, no, I am not saying that a bishop should not minister to the souls of sinners. That would be the antithesis of the kerygma.

        • JP

          Christ may have ate with the Sinners, but he didn’t endorse their Sin.

          • Daniel P

            Neither does Dolan. Or do you have information I don’t?

            • JP

              Allowing them to march in the parade and leading the parade as a grand marshal is an endorsement.

              • Daniel P

                By the same token, wouldn’t one say that dining with a prostitute is an endorsement? But obviously it isn’t. It is, certainly, a way to get prostitutes to listen to you. That is what I HOPE Dolan is doing with the gay community.

                Mind you, I don’t have tremendous confidence in Dolan. But he is the shepherd God has given the New York archdiocese, and he deserves the benefit of the doubt. (Again, unless you have information I don’t.)

                • Objectivetruth

                  Don’t be so naive. This is a huge mistake by Dolan. Here he had an opportunity to defend and explain Catholic teaching on homosexuality, which is his primary job description, and he choked. How many marginalized Catholics are now confused by the Cardinal’s decision. When the American Church desperately needs orthodox clarity, we get mushy befuddlement. Christ promised to vomit out such lukewarm attitudes.

                  • Daniel P

                    I just looked up Dolan’s comments on Michael Sam, and these — combined with the archdiocese’s wishy washy damage control on that particular issue — bother me a great deal more than this decision about the parade.

                    • DE-173

                      And some of us see these events, especially as they mount in number to be points on what all appearances indicate be to morally uncertain contour.

                      Why the heck would Dolan even bother to address the NFL? He could have begged off in a million ways, but no, open mouth insert foot.

                      He should have said something about the intolerance directed at Tim Tebow.

                • DE-173

                  “benefit of the doubt.”
                  But you are asking for doubt of the obvious.

                • sixlittlerabbits

                  You probably do not hve the following information: Please go to http://dorothydayworker.blogspot.com/2014/09/gay-rights-abortion-infanticide-faith.html for information on Dolan’s sad record in the Archdiocese of New York.

            • marguerite

              Did you ever hear of the sin of giving scandal?

              • Daniel P

                Apparently Jesus didn’t. Either that, or the sin of giving scandal isn’t what you think it is.

                There are clearly actions that pose a risk of scandal and yet are advisable. Otherwise Jesus was a sinner.

                • ForChristAlone

                  When Dolan is hung on a cross, I’d be more than willing to place him in the same category as the Savior.

                  • DE-173

                    We need a Catherine of Siena.

                    • Kathy

                      Amen to that!!

        • GG

          Does the Cardinal have the record our Lord does? Is there public evidence he has called homosexual activists to conversion on several occasions? Would anyone mistake his affirmation of the changes as evidence the Church now “softened” Her stance on the moral law?

        • DE-173

          “If so, how can you be so confident that your judgment in this case is better than Dolan’s?”

          Res Ipsa Loquitar.

      • GG

        And preach the Gospel in season and out of season.

    • Daniel P

      Reading through my comment, I should not have said “in which principle plays no role”. I should have “in which there is no overriding principle.”

    • JP

      “Mr. Hennessey has rather confidently objected to an act of prudential
      discretion made by a Cardinal who is charged with leadership of the
      faithful.”

      Yes, the Cdl will be leading a procession of drag queens, transvestites and bull dykes down Manhattan in a show of solidarity. Somehow I don’t think the “optics” of this will go down well. According to the organizers of the parade, there was quite a bit of pressure from the Church (i.e. Cdl Dolan) to allow the LGBT people to march. In light of the recent priest scandals, I think it may not be a good idea for a Catholic Archbishop to lead a procession of perverts down the streets of Manhattan. No matter what the Cdl will say to the contrary, it would appear that the Church fully endorses sexual sin.

      • GG

        Yes, to defend such a poor choice is disingenuous and frankly insulting.

    • Objectivetruth

      “There is no principle that states that one cannot morally march in a parade with those advocating sin,”

      Good. Let’s next let ISIS and NAMBA in to the parade. I’m sure they’re next going to want their spots on Fifth Avenue.

      This is almost slippery slope comical. I picture 50 transvestites marching in next years parade, bedecked in their Kelly green made up as Rosemary Clooney.

      • ForChristAlone

        “Good. Let’s next let ISIS and NAMBA in to the parade. I’m sure they’re next going to want their spots on Fifth Avenue.”

        The Archdiocese would NEVER allow NAMBA to march simply because it would dredge up memories of the priest sex scandal which the AmChurch paid hundreds of millions of dollars to remove from the front pages of newspapers.

    • GG

      1. Your first point makes little sense. Why would “teaching” need to be at a later date? His brief comment about the change is destabilizing on its face. Pretending there is some deeper reason is pure fantasy. No evidence exists to prove your assertion.

      2. The old “Jesus ate with sinners” line is facile when not used in context and understood as the Church teaches. Jesus did not march in parades with ideologues who claim evil is good. He did not endorse propaganda or leading others astray. He dined with sinners to call them to conversion.

      • John O’Neill

        Amen Jesus told them to reform their lives; He told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more; he did not urge her to continue her life the way it was and keep on sinning.

        • Ford Oxaal

          But he did that after first dismissing all the stone throwers.

  • ForChristAlone

    Is the Cardinal / Archbishop of New York still Catholic?

  • misty0408

    I feel like I’m in a bad dream. What has happened to our Church, to our Catholic leaders? I used to think Timothy Dolan was a good priest, a faithful Catholic. I don’t understand how those who have been selected to lead can become so spineless. Christ went to the cross for us, he suffered, endured torture and those who have sworn o uphold the teachings of His Church, just lay down and cave in!! It hurts and offends me.
    Cardinal Dolan, what has happened to your commitment to Christ? Your commitment to the Church? The St. Patrick’s day parade should be about St. Patrick. Bad enough you accepted the position of Grand Marshall, but to then make comments that you are pleased that openly gay couples will march in the parade is a slap in the face to faithful Catholics and to God himself. How dare you?

  • ForChristAlone

    Let’s not forget one fact: The St. Patrick’s Day Parade is a CATHOLIC event. It begins with Mass at the cathedral, typically has the Archbishop reviewing the parade from the steps of the cathedral, and is sponsored by the Hibernian Society – an Irish Catholic group.

    Dolan’s position calls for a BOYCOTT OF THE PARADE by Catholics of the Archdiocese of New York.

    • Don

      Once again, the faithful stand up for their faith only to have the clergy flee the field and abandon them. Well, I understand the “Catholic” governor of NY doesn’t like people like me anyway so he and Dolan appear to be more united than I would have thought. A boycott of all things associated with New York and St. Patrick’s Day (other than mass) is in order.

  • John O’Neill

    The key to Dolan’s decision was probably the boycotting of the last St. Patrick’s Day parade for its intolerance towards homosexuals by Guinness Brewery, a large international provider of beer. Obviously to people like Dolan and the rest of the Irish gang beer triumphs everything. So now we know that the American bishops have thrown the Catholics who still go to church and believe in the magisterium under the bus. They are more interested in keeping the rich Catholics like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and the Kennedy and Kerry clans happy. Recently we have had something called the Francis effect where American prelates who chafed under Benedict’s strict leadership now feel that they are back in the good old sixties again. It was reported that Dolan has reined in the Latin Mass Catholics in his diocese by coming down hard on those faithful few who still worshipped at the ancient liturgy . It is extremely ironic that when Dolan was elected the president of the American bishops the establishment press described this as a victory for conservatives, what a joke. The last time we had the sixties Vatican II crowd in charge we lost eighty percent of the nuns and sixty percent of the priests; the weekly mass attendance now stands below twenty percent. What we will be left with is a small remnant Church which Pope Benedict XVI predicted would be smaller but more faithful; the American bishops can follow their Anglican buddies and preside over the pomp and circumstance of the past churches with their “bare ruined choirs”. In retrospect the take over of the American Catholic Church by the Irish in the past two centuries was not very good for the Church. Remember the old saying that Irish Americans are born Catholic but baptized Democrat.

    • RObert O’B

      The parade is a political not a theological event. Once the powerhouse stood on the steps of Saint Patrick’s to review the Sixty Ninth, it’s regimental flag heavy with the banners of Gettysburg and Meuse Argonne, battalions of cap and gowned women from their Catholic colleges, regiments of disciplined boys led by Brothers and priests, legions of police and firemen. Mayors knelt to kiss the ring. Sheer political power necessary for the Church to first survive, then to thrive. Understood by all. American, not Irish.

      Today, that understanding is lost on Dolan. A simple shake of the head would have sent the tinpot President of a fourth rate University packing. But not lost on the gays who will march arm in arm up Fifth growing bolder with every jeer, their ranks swelling as the approach the Cathedral. It will be evident to all that it is they have wrested the power from it’s previous possessor, something not done since John Hughes day.

  • Objectivetruth

    Maybe this is a good thing.

    St. Patrick’s Day has turned in to a drunken brawl, an orgy of bacchanal and sin. The day has become an insult to The saint himself.

    Tell the organizing committee to please drop the name “St. Patrick’s” from the parade, and maybe call it the “Spring Day Parade.” Pull all authentic Catholic/Irish groups out of the parade. Have all diocese strongly encourage the faithful to go to Mass that day. Pick some clover that day at dinner teach our kicks about the Holy Trinity the way Patrick did.

    But give up the day to the drunken hedonists. Let Catholics turn it back to the holy day it should be.

    • Antonio

      “Let Catholics turn it back to the holy day it should be.”

      That would be nice, but cardinal Dolan doesn`t think so.He is happy with the way it is.

      In the end it is just a parade, just say no i don`t go there.Treat it like a homosexual pride parade and ignore it.

      • Objectivetruth

        Agreed. I’ve peeled off of most St.Paddy’s Day activities, staying away from bars and parades. The sad part is my young Irish daughter loves to watch the young Irish step dancers, and the best place to see them is the parade. This is all so depressing.

        • TommyD6of11

          Hunter Mountain NY has a good Gaelic festival with excellent step dancers and a cool assembly of the pipers marching down the mountain.

          • Objectivetruth

            Thanks!

      • LiMin3

        Yes, the faithful can ignore it and not attend, but it causes so much scandal and is publicized all over the country. Church teachings will now appear incorrect to the multitude of secular and non-Catholics who still don’t understand the Church. If anything, this becomes a huge problem in evangelization and I’m hoping the parade will be re-named or dis-banded entirely (which is highly unlikely) but if they could re-name it and remove it’s Catholic identity (since it no longer represents the Church), that would be ideal.

    • Victress Jenkins

      I agree with you Objectivetruth!! They might as well!!

    • LeMayzing

      Amen.

  • AcceptingReality

    This seems so scandalous that I can’t help but wonder whether Cardinal Dolan should apply Canon 915 to himself.

  • Guest

    My concern with this and other stances of the Church, not only here but across the world, is the confusion that this is creating. What do we as Catholics stand for now? I am a gay man (admitted here before) that has turned back to the Truth and Traditional Teachings of the Church. Since I disagree with the Cardinals position and have been labeled a “hater” by some, I hope the Cardinal will show us why. I think this will only lead to more confusion and a further watering down of what it means to be a Catholic.

    • GaudeteMan

      Christ promised the faithful to experience just what we are experiencing. “If they persecute me they will persecute you”. They, being the world, hates the Truth and His Church. That there are weak and sometimes heretical shepherds is also a promise. The shepherds will be struck and the sheep will be dispersed. There will be scandal (it is impossible that scandals not come said Our Lord…hence the millstones) and of course wolves in the clothing of sheep. I laud you for your courage my friend. Do not be discouraged. We are not confused. The Church is crystal clear regarding moral teaching and is safeguarded from spreading error in this regard. Imagine a newspaper at the time of Christ and how they would describe the first 12 bishops, yet the Church survived and will survive. As lay people we have to do the work that priests and bishops once did in terms of evangelizing. Be of good cheer, Christ has conquered the world!

      • ForChristAlone

        Can’t say it any better than this!

      • Bruno

        Persecution from the world is easy, it is friendly fire that makes us uneasy. I think it is my duty, in trying to be humble, to constantly reevaluate my beliefs, specially when there is a sizable party within the very Church prompting me to do so.
        My station today, which is that of most readers of Crisis, that is, the station of what we think to be faithfulness, will only follow me to my grave by the grace of God, and by which vessel grace will come I don’t know because I am not sure I can expect it from the Church, which is becoming a very ambivalent vessel indeed. May the Holy Eucharist preserve us.
        God forgive me if I blaspheme, but isn’t this true?

      • Objectivetruth

        “Imagine a newspaper at the time of Christ and how they would describe the first 12 bishops.”

        On Holy Thursday night, the night Christ needed his newly minted bishops the most, one of them denied Him, one of them betrayed Him, and nine others ran and hid. Christ for 2000 years has taken good care of His teachings that are carried in fragile “earthen vessels.”

        • Pam

          That is a bad analogy. The first 12 bishops hadn’t received the Holy Spirit yet and after they did, there was nothing close to this to report. Even in Paul’s disagreement with Peter about eating with gentiles when Jews were around, we never hear Peter’s side of the discussion. It could well be he was heeding Paul’s own admonition not to eat something (or with someone) that might lead them to sin.

    • somebigguy

      Admirable, Guest.

      Keep in mind that if the Church is bigger than the pope, it’s certainly bigger than Cardinal Dolan.

      • Anon

        I’m not so sure the Church is bigger than Dolan. Have you seen his gut lately?

        • somebigguy

          HA!

        • MarcAlcan

          Is that what is causing spiritual inertia

      • LiMin3

        Yes, true the Church is bigger than Dolan—however, non-Catholics will see his actions (or inactions) as part of Church teaching. I am hoping the Vatican will clarify Church teaching once again on this issue, and faithful Catholics in NY will try to have the parade re-named or dis-banded entirely since it will only cause scandal and no longer shows any respect to the name of St. Patrick.

      • Pam

        This is a public statement about a major public event. It leads souls very far astray from traditional Church teaching. Whether or not the Church is bigger than one man, when that one man has authority in the Church and is preaching a different gospel, we need to speak up and be scandalized and make sure the error is corrected.

      • pdxcatholic

        True, but what’s the point of having a hierarchy, a Magesterium, a pope, if not to serve the faithful as an anchor amidst times of confusion and uncertainty?

    • Maria Gabriela Salvarrey Rodri

      I also laud your courage. Don’t be discouraged. Remember the gates of hell will not prevail. One weak bishop is not the church. Dolan will pass and the church will continue like it has before. Prayer much prayer is needed.

    • HappyCatholic

      Just remember, brother, that when Henry VIII formed the Anglican Church, all but one bishop caved to his reign. Only one stood tall, upholding the dignity of marriage and papal authority, and he died for it. I can bet quite a few people, particularly the king, called Bishop Fisher a “hater,” too. There is nothing new beneath the sun.
      I, too, applaud your courage. You are a true “dry martyr” of our times. God bless.

      • John O’Neill

        Years ago I read a book about the moral cowardice of the English bishops who bowed to Henry VIII without a whimper. One thousand years of a proud Catholic heritage was undone by these evil and cowardly prelates. I believe the book was titled THE GREAT BETRAYAL. As one of one thousand percent Irish descent(I even have dual citizenship and an Irish passport) I am ashamed to wear green or celebrate the American drunken beer festival called “St Patty’s Day” which is presided over by an apostate bishop. Of course Ireland is not much better since they imported the American version of “St. Patty’s Day” and the Irish clergy have demolished the fifteen century old Catholic Church in Ireland. Benedict XVI prophesized well that we must become a smaller and more faithful Church; not a Church that is led by superstars and publicity hounds.

        • Pam

          This is the real issue, the fidelity, faith and obedience. Being faithful would make the Church smaller, but think of Christ so close to His death and EVERYONE walks away because He says the Eucharist is His Body and His Blood and they must eat and drink them. He went to His death with very few followers and that certainly must have been one of the reasons He asked His Father that this cup might pass Him by, but He obeyed the Father and in one day, after Pentecost, Peter baptized over 3000 and now we are millions. Fidelity, faith, obedience (not to man and his whims but to God.)

    • schmenz

      My friend, I would think it better to discuss such things privately would be the better way to go but since you have brought it up in a public forum it requires an answer in that same forum. You are not a “gay man”; like me and millions of others you are a sinner who can give up the particular sin you have chosen to be friends with. No one is born a homosexual or a sodomite any more than he is born a murderer. If you harbor murderous thoughts you should see a confessor to put an end to that; if you harbor homosexual thoughts you should see a good confessor for that as well. We must stop these self-delusions and semantic games. Try to remove yourself from this mindset.

      We’ve all had a favorite sin we have great trouble giving up. But God’s Church helps us to fight this and eventually overcome it. May you be the recipient of God’s choicest graces in your fight against such temptations.

      • Pam

        Why should it be discussed privately if the media has spread the news publicly? Please explain.

        • schmenz

          Hello, Pam. In my response to “Guest” I was only trying to suggest that we should not parade our vices publicly, but that they should be discussed privately, between priest and penitent. But since Guest told the world publicly that he has this particular problem I had to reply to him in that same manner, here on this site.

          What some do is to try to suggest that their vices are not vices; that they are “born that way” or “oriented” that way which, of course, is the purest hogwash. Sins and vices are chosen; they are not in our DNA. We must not conflate good, old fashioned temptations with some kind of esoteric idea of “orientations”.

          • Pam

            Schmenz, Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t tie your comment in with Guest’s comment. Sometimes with this sin, kids are groomed into it before they have the free will and ability to choose. (Now that kids in preschool and up are introduced to the idea and are often stereotyped at obscenely young ages this is going to happen even more often if society does not realize the consequence of sin.) They come to believe they were born that way or are oriented that way, when the truth is they were not. I agree that a Catholic who is following the faith would never identify themselves as “gay”. They are children of God and they have temptations. Accepting the label is a step beyond temptation. It is something that takes thought and acceptance to use the term and it gives the sin a stronger hold on the person. As a temptation a person would correctly feel unease and perhaps shock or pleasure at what just crossed their mind and would turn right away to a different thought or activity, knowing that sin displeases God. Not doing that, but examining one’s “feelings” about the issue is entertaining the temptation. That to me seems to bring it into the realm, at that point, of sin. We hate sin and turn away from it in every way, shape and form – especially grave sin.

  • jpct50

    Dump the parade!

  • Kate McD

    I am heart-sick about the whole thing. I do feel left holding the bag. This is a scandal that yet again brings up the old wounds of the laity cleaning up the mess that the shepherds of the Church have made. True the parade organizers can do as they like but the Cardinal’s remarks are a scandal and his participation as Grand Marshal and the participation of all the Catholic schools in the parade, also a scandal. Time to take the name of poor St. Patrick off the parade and call it “Irish Heritage Day Parade” or “Green Day”(as the public schools would approve of.) The only good that is coming out of this debacle is that my prayer life has increased as I am praying for understanding and praying for my Church, that her shepherds will not lead their faithful flock off a cliff!

  • s;vbkr0boc,klos;

    These days the Barque of St. Peter seems to spring a leak wherever there is pressure on the hull.

  • Peter Arnone

    The schism is at hand.

  • Objectivetruth

    The more I think about it, the more sad and depressing this whole thing is. Especially if your Catholic Irish.

    Where in the past, on a cool March sunny day after a brutal winter, My wife and I’d with great pride and cheer march my smiling, freckled faced Irish young children hand in hand to watch the bag pipers and step dancers. Telling them of the great St. Patrick. A glorious, joyful Catholic family day! Now the sodomites have to ruin this.

    Does the “gay” agenda crowd have to ruin everything pure in our society? Does their evil self centered narcissism know no bounds?

    • GG

      The real basis for this problem is a withered public conscience. Many find no problem, and excuse, the Cardinal’s position because they really see homosexuality as no big moral problem.

      • lifeknight

        GG you are correct! The fact that homosexuals are a very small number in the population and yet have so much power, reveals the real issue: Sympathizers. No one really wants to think about what they ACTUALLY DO TO EACH OTHER. It is perverse an abomination! Dolan is an example of those who really want to get along—even with the Devil.

      • BXVI

        Which is exactly why the Cardinal should witdraw support for the parade and should strictly forbid any Catholic in his diocese from attending or supporting it under penalty of mortal sin. Then it will be crystal clear to all and no one will have an excuse or be able to claim confusion. Would that Bishop Jenky was Archbishop of New York!

    • Yes, you answered your own question.

  • Fred

    I thought Monsignor Charles Pope of DC expressed the issue quite eloquently in his blog post only to find his archdiocese undercut him by removing it – both the parade and the Al Smith dinner. Does the Archbishop fear losing tax exempt status more than he fears the Lord? Seems like someone has forgotten we are in the world, not of it. I would love to hear an honest explanation for the rationale behind these decisions – surely he’s intelligent enough to realize the harm caused to the faithful by these acts of pompous pandering to the pagans.

    • retiredladyann

      This should be no surprise. 43 years ago our bishops decided to trade one tax exemption for 60 million… and counting…dead babies.

      • Micha Elyi

        Honey, there’s no tax exemption that requires our bishops to keep silent about the evil of abortion. You’ve been misinformed. Like all of us who are weak sinners, our bishops have chosen their omissions and commissions themselves.

        • TerryC

          The tax exemption comes into play because a pastor should be able to tell his flock from the pulpit, “It is a sin to vote for any party which supports abortion in their party platform. It is a sin to vote for any candidate who supports abortion.” But if they do that the IRS will say they are making political statements and pro-abortion groups will petition the IRS to remove their tax exempt status. So rather than teaching truth the bishops punish priests who do.

        • retiredladyann

          Sorry, I don’t know where in the USA you reside, but in our diocese I started attending “prolife” meetings after Roe v. Wade. The diocesan lawyers were lined up, warning us to do nothing to disturb that tax exemption, and that meant, it’s OK to pray, but don’t ever distribute anything from church property that would imply voting for a pro-abortion candidate is wrong. Just this past June, someone at our parish made the mistake of leaving some voting guides in the back of the church (they just indicated which candidates were for protection of the unborn and which were not-no recommendations on voting for anyone in particular) and our pastor nearly had a heart attack. We “got it” from the pulpit on the following days and the following Sunday! If there is any proof of what you say, I’d like the source, please, so I could show it to our pastor and send a copy to our bishop. Maybe you don’t live on the “left coast?”

  • Isaac S.

    This is the problem with chummy, overly extroverted “pastor” bishops like Cardinal Dolan. At their core, their biggest motivation appears to be keeping the waters calm and not offending anyone. With relatively few exceptions, this mentality is shared by most bishops in the US. Since our shepherds refuse to draw bright lines in the sand it’s no wonder that most lay Catholics are ignorant and confused about about the Church’s moral teachings.

  • Daniel P

    Two comments: (1) On reading more about Cardinal Dolan, I am concerned about his tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth. I agree that this fosters confusion. (2) I am also concerned about the “sky is falling” rhetoric on this website, however. Such rhetoric stops us from thinking about others as “sinners like us” and encourages us to think about others as “evildoers like them”.

    Interpreting as charitably as possible, Dolan has the goal of healing the wounds caused by those in the Church who have not, as the Catechism teaches, “accepted” gay people with “respect, compassion, and sensitivity.” If this is actually his intention, it is a good intention. People here are claiming that it is impossible for Dolan to express acceptance with respect, in this instance, without endorsing the sin.

    Maybe that is the case. But if it is, shouldn’t we be GRIEVED by that? Shouldn’t we find it disturbing that the climate has politicized things so badly that it is difficult to imagine how to show genuine compassion to gay people? Instead, this thread is just a pity party for the old guard — I just see people complaining about losing their own pet parades.

    It’s sad to lose culture, but it’s far sadder to lose souls. How do we speak the truth in love here?

    • ForChristAlone

      You write: “Interpreting as charitably as possible, Dolan has the goal of healing the wounds caused by those in the Church who have not, as the Catechism teaches, “accepted” gay people with “respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”

      This is nonsense. Please give us factual information about how the Church has caused wounds – not as individuals, but “as Church.” Furthermore, give us factual information, too, that backs up your claim that Catholics have not accepted gays with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. You are simply promoting the predominant meme.

      And, lastly, do you think that any of Dolan’s behavior could cause scandal? I do. And if that were to be done by a bishop of the Church, it would be a grave matter indeed. Sorry, but some of us happen to be of the mind that decisions come with consequences; cheeky wide grins don’t cut the mustard.

      • Daniel P

        I never said “the Church” caused wounds. Read what I wrote. I said “wounds caused by those in the Church” who have not acted decently toward gay people. And surely it is the role of a pastor to heal such wounds, just as it is the role of a CEO to heal the wounds caused by employees who act harmfully toward the company’s customers.

        And yes, I am concerned some of Dolan’s behavior could cause scandal — though I don’t consider myself competent to judge Cardinal Dolan, not at all. I also think there are people who make a habit of being scandalized by things, not because the things themselves are scandalizing, but because they enjoy being scandalized. Both errors are harmful to the body of Christ.

        • ForChristAlone

          So where’s the evidence to support the “wounds caused by those in the Church?”

          • Daniel P

            Watch the film The Third Way for some enlightenment, in that respect.

            I grew up with same-sex attraction, and I was clearly given the message, growing up, that gay people were evil — not because of their actions, but because of their desires. (Of course I was not “out”. No one knew they were talking about me). This would have been fine, if were accompanied with a caveat that ALL humans have disordered inclinations, and in this sense we are all evil. But, as it was, gay people were portrayed as “them”, and there was never any suggestion that a gay person could be chaste.

            That attitude harmed me pretty deeply.

            • ForChristAlone

              There were guys i hung with as a kid who called me “four eyes” because of my nearsightedness. Obviously, poor vision goes with our fallen nature. But it didn’t form my character or cause me to construct an identity around it. I couldn’t play certain contact sports like football. But, I am not here complaining in my 60’s about the cross I have had to carry because people made fun of me or hurt my feelings. We must eventually learn that the world is fallen but we need to grow up and move on.

              • Daniel P

                (1) I agree that we cannot allow childhood hurts to perpetually be excuses for immaturity. But the childhood hurts of others — and their more recent hurts — are reasons for us to be sensitive to (even unintentionally) causing further hurt.

                (2) I agree that one should not build one’s identity around one’s sexual desires.

                (3) The people who said these things were not the other kids in my class. They were my parents, my older siblings, and my friends. Most of it, they said in the context of the priest scandals, which they blamed on “gay people”. That was the only time I heard homosexuality discussed, and no one ever said there was hope for people with these attractions.

                All this, and — I assure you — my family was quite a good family, comparatively. I can’t imagine the harm that some children who “come out” to their less loving parents incur.

                • ForChristAlone

                  First of all, I am sorry that you were hurt but there’s probably no one who’s ever lived that has escaped being hurt by someone at some time over something. Secondly, I am baffled why someone with same sex attraction needs to “come out.” We learn about the crosses we face and how to cope with them. Sometimes families understand; sometimes they do not. I had an alcoholicc father. I was determined not to let that impede what I thought God’s path for my life was.
                  Someone recently made a comment on these pages that I thought very wise. He was in seminary where homosexual acting out was rampant. He was asked by his seminary rector whether he would be comfortable with the knowledge that some of his classmates were homosexual. This seminarian’s response was this: “If they are celibate, how would i ever know?”

                  • Daniel P

                    My comment about coming out was not meant as a recommendation that kids come out. I’m just saying that they sometimes WILL come out, and they need to be handled gently if they do. Gentleness and guidance can go together — just consider how parents handle children who sin in “straight” ways.

                    We can’t say, “We’ll treat SSA people decently so long as they don’t shove it in our faces.” We have to treat them decently and normally, whether or not they have what we consider to be the correct attitudes about their condition.

                    • DE-173

                      “I’m just saying that they sometimes WILL come out, and they need to be handled gently if they do.”

                      Why? I made a lot of stupid announcements as a kid, that were either delusional or potentially serious. Most of the time these ideas were met with swift and certain dismissal.

                    • Daniel P

                      Dismissing something swiftly and certainly could be gentle, DE. Actually, the worst parents of gay kids err, often, in treating it TOO seriously. But it needs to be handled in the context of love, not the context of rejection. “OK, Bobby, I can totally understand that you feel that way, and I’ve often really badly wanted to do stuff that is sinful too. I don’t know whether these temptations will go away, but God will give you the strength to resist sin. He promised that He would.” That’s a reasonably swift and certain treatment, but completely loving and gentle.

            • DE-173

              I have a minor physical disability. As a child I knew who they were talking about. There were jobs I couldn’t get for lack of dexterity.

              I might as well have worn shirts with targets on them.

              I solved that problem. I acquired 240 pounds of armor.

              Stop dwelling on hurts. Do something positive.

              • Daniel P

                DE,

                I’m not dwelling on hurts. Since I’m in the Church, I’m healing from the hurts, and I have nothing against the people that hurt me. I am, however, talking about the hurts of people who are NOT in the Church. Their hurts are valid pieces of data to consider in evangelizing them. You’ve got to realize that, and stop this old canard that anyone who says the Church harms gay people must be merely bogging in their own pain.

                People in the Church hurt other people and drive them away sometimes. When that happens, the Church needs to publicly distance itself from that kind of activity.

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        Cardinal Dolan obviously sees the need to change perceptions. As he said in his interview with John Allen, “This is a Church that used to have a public face of being old, craggy, and nay-saying, and now it’s thought of as young, exciting, daring.” That is important, if the gospel is to be preached.

    • John O’Neill

      They have already done this with adultery; they have accepted adulterers with compassion and love when they embraced Ted Kennedy as their Lord and Saviour and told him that his life style was immaterial. O’Malley of Boston practically canonized Kennedy at his funeral and told us mere peasants that we should follow the way of the Kennedy clan.

      • DE-173

        I wonder how the Kopechnes felt about that affront to justice.

  • elarga

    Be real. “St. Patrick’s Day” hasn’t been about St. Patrick for a long, long time. We let that happen over the years — getting drunk and raising hell in honor of a saint as if it were all normal and acceptable — just as we let “marriage” deteriorate into a conditional partnership instead of the lifelong commitment it actually is.

  • GaudeteMan

    Have we forgotten that Valentine’s Day is another Catholic event high-jacked by the enemy? Should I be offended when Victoria’s Secret releases their new line of Valentine’s lingerie?

    • John O’Neill

      Valentine’s day used to be called Saint Valentine’s day; they did a pretty good job of removing the word Saint from the holiday. Maybe they have already done that with the Saint Patrick’s Day celebration; to many Americanized Catholics it is called Patty’s day.

  • Vinnie

    I can’t believe that Cardinal Dolan believes that Pope Francis meant his “who am I to judge” statement for non-repentant homosexuals who are chaste.

    • elarga

      Did you mean, “Who aren’t chaste?” In other words, you assume the pope was only referring to chaste, repentant homosexuals, and not practicing homosexuals who were not seeking repentance.

      • Vinnie

        Who aren’t chaste. Yes, I messed that one up. Thanks.

  • publiusnj

    The thing that has kept me Catholic all along has been the faithfulness of the hierarchy to Christ throughout all the turmoil that has hit us since the Early 1960s. Let the protestants go off and curry favor with the spirit of the age on things like Divorce-Remarriage, Abortion and Gay Rights. Holy Mother Church has stayed faithful. Until now.

    Cardinal Dolan did seem politically naive in the way he let himself be taken out of position by Bloomberg on New York’s legislative approval (the first one in a state that did NOT have a referendum process as CA did) back in 2011. He wasn’t, though, endorsing the issue as he has done now in accepting the position of Grand Marshal to welcome the OUT Group as it marches for the first time in the St. Patrick’s Parade. And although that can be defended to some degree on “prudential” grounds, our Pope is now hinting that he may well toss out Christ’s very clear command on the sinfulness of Divorce-Remarriage (which continues so long as the second marriage continues to exist) at the upcoming Family Synod.

    If that happens, then lesser Church commands must be equally ignorable. Like the Sunday Mass attendance “policy” (I call it a policy because Christ never spoke about it as a sin as he so clearly did on Remarriage). OR the entirely “prudential” question off how much I should contribute to the Church when I do choose to attend. The Church needs to understand the scandal it causes when its hierarchy chooses to flip positions so radically. Along with Irenaeus, I have cleaved to communion with the Holy See of Rome because it so clearly has stayed faithful to Christ. If it stops, to whom shall we turn? I hope I won’t have to answetr that question.

    • Ford Oxaal

      Well, as you know, the Apostles asked the same question — and the answer was to hang in there with the Catholic Church, your mother, because you have absolutely nowhere else to go. The miracle of the church is that in spite of Jesus handing over the keys to the lunatics in the asylum, it is the only anchor to windward on the planet as regards the ever changing tides of vanity. Besides, we all know the joke: what is ten blocks long and has a compromised IQ? A St. Paddy’s Day Parade.

      • publiusnj

        The parade doesn’t bother me as my comment indicated; the Synod’s Divorce-Remarriage issue does. Holy Mother Church has held the line on that….until now. I hope it continues to do so. God invented sexual attraction, Marriage, sexual intercourse and procreation, I believe, to coax us into learning how to love selflessly and to become god-like as a result of loving that which we created. The first step is becoming one flesh with our spouses and then creating one flesh that is flesh of our flesh and blood of our blood together. And then realizing that it isn’t about me but about us. All that gets thrown out when we look for ways to make those who are committing adultery with someone other than their spouse feel like they are not committing sin.

        • Ford Oxaal

          I don’t think you have to worry about the Pope somehow changing the Sacrament of Marriage. It can’t happen. Even if they somehow reef in the sails on norms regarding Communion amidst the destruction of civil marriage, which I seriously doubt, it wouldn’t give you reason to jump off the deck. Best to go below decks and batten down the hatches in your local sphere. I really think the Church has to rebuild from the bottom up over several generations of the faithful who are true to their baptismal vows and who sacrifice worldly concerns as they do their best to keep the spirit and letter of the law. Nothing new here! Look at St. Athanasius, through whom God ***over time*** righted the ship which was badly listing over under the Arian emperor. Look at the bishops he had to endure. If it weren’t so bloody, it would be comical how history repeats.

          • publiusnj

            To change the rule on Communion for the Divorced-Remarried is to change the sacrament. Catholic Marriage has been life-long. If a person who has remarried is allowed to have communion during the life of his/her first spouse and remain with the second spouse, that ends the indissolubility of Catholic marriage. I have been confident in my Catholicism because of the fidelity of the See of Rome to Christ, not a single bishop some where in the World. Rome’s departing from Christ on this all important issue would very much “worry” me.

            • Ford Oxaal

              It is true we must be watchful, but I find it difficult to believe the Holy Ghost will let things get so bad that the statement “upon this rock…gates of hell shall not prevail against it” requires a more relaxed understanding along with everything else! If anything, things have gotten better — Summorum Pontificum, the use of a better translation of the words of consecration, etc. Just think of all the opportunities we have to play the glad game: look at all the opportunities we have to practice heroic virtue 🙂 .

              • publiusnj

                Che sera sera. I pray for a good result to the Synod.

  • Aaronwall

    The first St. Patrick’s parade in New York, 1767, was started by mostly Irish Protestants who honored St. Patrick along with Catholics, but it eventually became associated with Catholicism. The OFFICIAL website of the parade committee says “This annual parade has been held for more than 250 years in honor of the Patron Saint of Ireland and the Archdiocese of New York.” That is badly worded of course: not clear how it “honors the Archdiocese.” But to the point, Cardinal Dolan is a third rate politician in a city of first rate political sharks. The way he jokes his way through Mass, it is hard to think that God is involved. No one should be disappointed in him: he was notorious for his buffoonery even before coming to New York (“Cheese Head”) and his vulgarity has shamed a multitude of Catholics, let alone the demoralized clergy. No wonder that it is said that he has lost all respect in the Holy See. Like Cardinal Law, he should find himself a basilica in Rome. The archdiocese of New York, already in a downward tailspin, cannot survive more years with him.

    • ForChristAlone

      Perhaps he might take up where Joan Rivers left off and look for s stint as a stand-up comedian in those nightclubs New York is so famous for. Perhaps he can begin his standup comedy routine in “The Village” where he will be an immediate hit. “Three men walked into a bar – a cardinal, a rabbi and a protestant minister…”

  • DE-173

    And the winner of the first Cardinal Wolsey lifetime achievement award is…

    Perhaps faithful New York Catholics cshould direct their contributions to a Bishop who exhibits greater valor and less naivete in battle.

    http://patdollard.com/2012/02/top-u-s-cardinal-obama-lied-to-my-face-stabbed-me-in-the-back-reneged-on-promise/

  • somebigguy

    Fr. Mitch Pacwa was here in my little town of Hays, Kansas this weekend; within his pithy remarks on the enduring faithfulness of the Church, he warned that if we go the way of protestantism and embrace the world, we’d be doomed to evaporate, just like the ghosts who once defined American religion: Episcopalians, Methodists and Lutherans.

    His Eminence should watch EWTN.

    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

      Used to teach at Ft. Hays State. I love western KS, and that beautiful Cathedral of the Plains.

      • somebigguy

        Indeed!

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour

    I suggest Cardinal Dolan has made his position quite clear in his recent interview with John Allen

    “Look, as a local bishop, I’m pretty pragmatic. My question remains, is the pope helping me or hurting me? This pope is helping me immensely. At this stage, it’s not about specific programs, but it’s a matter of persona, of tone, of personality. There’s something in the last 18 months that’s refreshing, which is that people on the street are interested in the Church. This is a Church that used to have a public face of being old, craggy, and nay-saying, and now it’s thought of as young, exciting, daring.

    You’ve got people who ordinarily wouldn’t even speak about the Church, or faith, or God, who will say to me, ‘We really like this new pope. We’re listening to what he’s saying.’ For a guy like me who’s pretty nuts and bolts about things, I’d send the pope a dozen roses because he’s helping me do my job better. He has succeeded in giving the Church a facelift.”

    • lifeknight

      Wow. Just wow. Just what we need–a facelift.

    • ForChristAlone

      Let’s just hope that he doesn’t scandalize the faithful away from the Church. Then he’ll be left with the curious who are looking for “exciting, daring”

    • somebigguy

      I agree, Mike.

      Of course, individuals who “like this new pope” misconstrue him; he’s not the revolutionary they want him to be and that the anti-Catholic press (and I include Allen’s National Catholic Reporter among them) want us all to believe he is.

      Dolan seems to be relieved that Francis is making his job easier; the truth is, Dolan needs to work harder, reminding his flock and their neighbors the difference between right and wrong. The Church doesn’t need a facelift. It needs to do its job: EVANGELIZE.

      • DE-173

        I don’t consider a Bishop appearing on secular TV on Sunday morning to be working at all.

    • DE-173

      Dude…

    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

      Pure Dolan. Only he could utter such nonsense.

    • Quite telling. To hell with persona, tone or personality, be he Card. Dolan or Pope Francis! I follow my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    • GG

      Where is that part about the cross?

    • Objectivetruth

      And the pews on Sunday are STILL nearly empty….

    • michael susce

      Hmmm. “a public face of being old, craggy and naysaying”. Considering that Pope John Paul and Benedict were the “public face’ of the Church for the last five decades, who is Cardinal Dolan describing?
      Also, the face lift analogy reminds me of the white washed tomb analogy of Jesus; white on the outside and dead on the inside. Also, Jesus stated that He does not judge by the outside but by the heart. Maybe Jesus was “old, craggy and naysaying”. Hmm.

      • DE-173

        Perhaps he hoping the face to be corpulent and ruddy.

  • Annamenuensis

    For a long time that parade has insulted Lent. A few years ago when Easter was so early, Passiontide was allowed to be a time of boozing it up with corned beef. Each year the ancillary parades are stretched out so that weeks before and after there still is revelry in the suburbs. Easter has become an anti-climax, and Lent almost non-existent except for Ash Wednesday. Abolish the parade. And the Al Smith dinner. The Archdiocese of New York would not be hurt if it got a little more involved in other things, like religion.

    • somebigguy

      While he’s at it, perhaps Dolan should weigh in on the ever-earlier start of the Christmas shopping season.

      • DE-173

        “While he’s at it, perhaps Dolan should weigh in …”

        Good one.

      • Art Anders

        St. Patrick’s Cathedral itself puts up Christmas decorations right after Thanksgiving. Their excuse is that “the tourists like it.”

  • cestusdei

    We will pay for this surrender. How can we stop them from marching in any parade and undermining our message. The Cardinal is making a huge mistake. Not long ago homosexual activists desecrated the Eucharist in St. Pat’s. They HATE us and will do all they can to destroy the Church or subvert it.

    • Michael Paterson-Seymour

      That was then, this is now. As Cardinal Dolan has said, “This is a Church that used to have a public face of being old, craggy, and nay-saying, and now it’s thought of as young, exciting, daring….”
      That’s how we reach out to people and the Holy Father is showing us the way.

      • GG

        What good is that without truth?

      • And the RCIA programs are bursting at the seems… or are they? You confuse media adulation with conversion.

      • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

        This is meant as sarcasm, is it not? You cannot possibly be serious.

  • johnalbertson

    If Cardinal Dolan were really the politician he has deceived himself into thinking that he is, and if were an astute bishop which he has shown himself not to be, he should have made the “gay” participation in the St. Patrick’s parade contingent upon the same participation in the annual Muslim Day Parade and the annual Sikh Parade.

    By the way, why have not the homosexuals demanded to march with Muslims and Hindus? I think this is a rhetorical question

  • Time and time again when bishops become media darlings, a vicious feedback loop is established and they let their guard down and are overcome by their own vanity, tossing the martyr’s crown in the gutter for the vain praises of those who will thrown them in the gutter in a New York minute. Card. Dolan has proven to be beyond any shadow of doubt a hireling, not a shepherd.

    May Our Blessed Mother pray that the flock of New York gets a new shepherd to lead them to her Son.

  • Mary Haskell

    Dolan has thrown his lot in with the modern culture now the homosexuals smell blood.
    They have Dolan and the Catholic League right were they want them.

    • Angie Derwell

      The Catholic League has just issued another “clarification.” Bill Donohue pompously announces “I may not march in the parade.” Wow. Tremble in my boots. He has no canonical authority to speak on behalf of the Church. That is why he needs the protection of Dolan, and yet he is torn because he also needs the support of donors who are threatening to boycott the League just as he wanted them just last March to boycott Guinness. There are a lot of rackets in the Church.

      • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

        I don’t quite follow your point. Are you criticizing Donohue for being too Catholic, or not Catholic enough? And by the way, the Catholic League is a secular organization and does not need Dolan’s approval or protection.

        • Angie Derwell

          By law and custom, organizations need permission from the local Ordinary or Bishops’ Conference to use the name “Catholic” in its corporate title. If it is “Catholic” it is not secular ! There is precedent for organizations being required to change their name for this reason. Meanwhile, it is amusing to read the Catholic League’s rationalization: so convoluted and incoherent.

  • Fred

    Interesting observation on a recent WSJ article – a little detached from Matthew’s message today, but related tangentially and worth sharing.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/09/strangest-story-of-the-week.php

    “I am told that Sweden has wonderful government-maintained Lutheran churches that are virtually empty on Sunday, but if you do go, don’t expect the pastor to say anything of significance—and certainly nothing controversial—because they are government employees, subject to all of the constraints of “diversity” and political correctness these days. It’s a wonder any Swedish pastor is even allowed to believe in God.”

  • somebigguy

    “It’s time to cancel the St. Patrick’s Day Parade and the Al Smith Dinner and all the other ‘Catholic’ traditions that have been hijacked by the world,” Msgr. Charles Pope wrote Thursday in his blog on the Archdiocese of Washington’s website.

  • elarga

    If we had always honored St. Patrick with a properly religious procession instead of a parade that became an excuse for a drunken orgy, the GLBT groups would never have been interested in joining it. We Catholics did this to ourselves. I was always disgusted by the “St. Patrick’s Day” parades and never participated in them; I thought they were a scandal then, and now of course they are bigger scandals now that the rainbow people have been welcomed in.

  • Aliquantillus

    I think it is an illusion to think that Card. Dolan and a lot of other prelates, including Pope Francis, have any significant ties with the Catholic religion as it existed throughout the ages. They are completely of a modern politically-correct mindset, which doesn’t care about much at all, except for one thing: public approval or disapproval. In this respect they are of a similar attitude as the Pharisees in the Gospel, who feared the multitudes (cf. Mt. 21:26).

    All this is done under the guise of being “compassionate” and “merciful”. But apart from the fact that what these prelates — including the Pope himself — display is not true Christian pastoral compassion or mercy, but deceit about Church doctrine and moral relativism, it is completely clear to anyone who has eyes in his head that what the modern Gay Rights Movement demands is not compassion and mercy, but equal rights, in Society and in Church. They’ll be the first to despise the cardinal for his attitude of “mercy”, simply because they don’t want “mercy”. They want to be accepted in their behaviour. “Merciful” inclusion to them is no less discriminatory than exclusion.

    For these reasons, there’s nothing to win by the so-called “compassionate” and “merciful” approach, the only result of which is more confusion among the faithful and further watering down of Catholic identity.

    And of course this whole thing is besmearing the commemoration of St. Patrick. It is nothing less than open and public blasphemy to celebrate homosexualism in a Catholic parade or procession.

    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

      Exactly. We have become so used to this over the past 50 years that we do not realize how truly aberrational and horrible it is.

      • LeticiaVelasquez

        Don’t throw Pope Francis under the bus with the Cardinal. His world youth day was a wonderful expression of church in action. He has not deviated one iota from moral teaching and you need to read beyond the secular headlines about him, gentlemen!

        • somebigguy

          Exactly. The MSM is forever twisting his words. This is their old, tired MO: divide [the faithful] and conquer.

        • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

          Oh really? His recent words to world-wide Evangelicals and Pentacostals are absolutely an invitation to indifferentism. His attitude in this regard is, so far, exactly what it was when he was Archbishop Bergolio, and telling the Protestants of Argentina they should NOT convert to Catholicism. The man is a disaster and a pursuer of popularity and approval.

    • How compassionate and merciful are Card. Dolan and Pope Francis towards devout Catholics who dare to feel scandalized by their utterances and actions?

  • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

    A REAL Cardinal, a TRUE shepherd of his flock, would take this opportunity to advise ALL Catholics in his diocese to stay away from the secular St. Patrick’s Day parade, and to revert to sponsoring real processions in honor of the saint at their local parish. This could be (but certainly will not be) a wonderful “teaching moment” for the Church, an occasion for real catechesis, worship, and devotion. Instead, with phony “catholic” politicians like Dolan, it will just be another scandal.

    • Objectivetruth

      This can all be done quietly. “What if you threw a parade, and no one came?” Plain and simply: no one go and watch. The sidewalks of Fifth Avenue, empty. In fact, have an alternative parade on 7th Avenue led by a Eucharistic procession with 200 priests from the archdiocese of NY.

      • LeMayzing

        A Eucharistic procession would be a marvelous counterpoint!

  • somebigguy

    Predictably, the homosexual activists have not been mollified, as parade organizers certainly expected. Quite the contrary. From Newsmax:

    Bemoaning the fact that only one LGBT group would be allowed to march in next year’s parade, Empire State Pride Agenda’s Executive Director Nathan M. Schaefer called the policy “disappointing and self-serving.”

    • maineman

      I think we should help them out. Say, maybe a bestiality or masturbation pride group or an extramarital affair float?

      • GG

        You may be facetious, but frankly your logic is perfect. I have not seen any reporting that explains the Cardinal’s moral logic. If the parade organizers think normalizing homosexual ideology and conduct is morally licit then we should know where the line gets drawn. Chronic masturbators? Wife-swappers? Incest participation?

        It appears they have agreed homosexuality is not a problem at all. It is to be accepted and celebrated. Why?

        • maineman

          The why of these things is always the same, isn’t it? Mammon.

    • LeticiaVelasquez

      Out of spite for past ‘slights’ this will become a gay pride parade.

      • somebigguy

        Indeed; divide & conquer. Once they began diluting the religious element, it was only a matter of time.

  • maineman

    The problem here may be one of expectations. The bishopric has a long history of being corrupted by the world, with the real power wielded by the simple folk, Juan Diego or the children of Fatima. Why should our age be any different?

    • somebigguy

      Or the likes of St. John Vianney?

      Monsignor Charles Pope said Catholics should “enter their churches and get down on their knees on St. Patrick’s Day to pray in reparation for the foolishness, and to pray for this confused world to return to its senses,” Newsmax reports.

      • LeticiaVelasquez

        I think that’s what my family will do to remember St Patrick’s legacy of risking his life for the Gospel.

  • Gail Finke

    I agree. +Dolan’s comment that it’s a “wise decision” is the most puzzilng part — would His Eminence mind letting the rest of us know what is wise about it? The two conclusions drawn most — that the Catholic Church is changing its stance and that the parade is all about money — don’t seem to be very desirable, and many Catholics who have been upholding Church teaching are left out in the cold, so where does wisdom come in?

  • teo

    We as Catholics should abandon the parade and invigorate ‘St. joseph’s table’ tradition !!!

  • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

    Christ and Charity vs. beer and buggery. Dolan has chosen to celebrate the latter. And after 50 years of Vatican II, the Novus Ordo, and the New Evangelization, most Catholics are now so completely inured to scandal, that they cannot see anything scandalous in this.

  • MIKE

    Cardinal Dolan must start teaching about the Mortal Sin of Scandal. – Perhaps he will learn something.

    CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
    It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
    Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others.
    Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.”

    Never tolerate mortal sin.
    Not even in the name of friendship or unity.
    You are sending unrepentant Souls to Hell.

  • Ford Oxaal

    I’ve never seen the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in NYC, but I don’t think it is a Eucharistic procession. My impression is that it’s been a big bar fight for a long time. Should Cardinal Dolan let out some more line? Tough call for me sitting here. I have heard it said by the Franciscans that the Catholic Church is not a “holiness society”, but rather, a “workshop for sinners”. Time to cut bait on the parade? Maybe a no-brainer for Cardinal Dolan not to do that. So maybe the parade is a good place for Cardinal Dolan to engage. After his Democratic Convention prayer performance on national television, where he practically performed an exorcism, I have some reason to believe maybe he can do some good. One thing for sure, he needs folks to say the family rosary for him.

    • LeticiaVelasquez

      As Bill Donohue once said, there always were gays marching in the parade, as cops, dancers, firefighters, actors. What is wrong is allowing them to push their agenda for marriage etc. Cardinal Dolan was free to engage gays on parade day he didn’t have to cave and now conduct a commercial for the gay agenda. What would Cardinal O’Connor say?

      • Ford Oxaal

        Maybe it’s the media that is selling advertising by promoting the ridiculous gay agenda. There is no way Cardinal Dolan is for so called ‘gay marriage’, which is really nothing more than a tap dance on the grave of civil marriage in this country. The gay community would not be pushing for so called gay marriage if marriage had not already been made a mockery of by the no-fault divorce laws that now exist in all 50 states (New York being the last one to completely cave). Perhaps Cardinal Dolan does not see his job as slinking off into a corner just because the country still has a hangover from the adolescent ‘sex revolution’. Meanwhile, it is easy to see Cardinal Dolan needs our sincere prayers. I am sure Cardinal O’Connor would want you to pray for Cardinal Dolan.

  • Dolan Must Resign

    “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P7HXozdBns”

  • Douglas Pearson

    I am surprised that anybody is surprised that Cardinal Dolan did anything but what he did. After the Al Smith yuk-fest with Obama I lost all hope for him.

  • JohnnyCuredents

    Ireland is itself a cesspool of putrid liberal thought now, all seasoned with a dash of traditional Hibernian anti-Semitism of course — we wouldn’t want it to lack that local ”flavor” would we? — and for that reason it has become dreary. What was once attractive because of its authentic old ring is now pathetic tourist-trap nonsense, and it’s the Irish themselves who have assented to this, all for the sake of the mighty Euro. So Dolan is only following the lead of his distant relatives in the Old Sod: they’ve compromised and abandoned their ancient faith in every which way, and the cardinal is trying to keep up. After all, you wouldn’t want new Irish immigrants to feel ill at ease in NY, would you?

  • stephanie

    What’s a good Catholic to do? Boycott the parade! Spend the day in prayer.

  • ForChristAlone

    For those of you who missed it before the Wuerl/Dole Axis of Censorship had it removed from the pages of the Archdiocesan Website, here is Msgr Charles Pope’s excellent piece on the St. Patricks Day Parade/Archbishop Dolan Debacle:

    “The time for happy-clappy, lighthearted engagement of our culture may be nearing an end. Sometimes it takes a while to understand that what used to work no longer works. Let me get more specific.

    Decades ago the “Al Smith Dinner” was a time for Republicans and Democrats to bury the hatchet (even if only temporarily) and come together to raise money for the poor and to
    emphasize what unites us rather than what divides us. But in the old days the death of 50 million infants was not what divided us. We were divided about lesser things such as how much of the budget should go to defense and how much to social spending. Reasonable men might differ over that.

    But now we are being asked to raise toasts and to enjoy a night of frivolity with those who think it is acceptable to abort children by the millions each year, with those who think anal sex is to be celebrated as an expression of love and that LGBTQIA… (I=intersexual, A= Asexual) is actually a form of sanity to which we should tip our hat, and with those who stand four-square against us over religious liberty.

    Now the St. Patrick’s Parade is becoming of parade of disorder, chaos, and fake unity. Let’s be honest: St. Patrick’s Day nationally has become a disgraceful display of drunkenness and foolishness in the middle of Lent that more often embarrasses the memory of Patrick than honors it.

    In New York City in particular, the “parade” is devolving into a farcical and hateful ridicule of the faith that St. Patrick preached. It’s time to cancel the St. Patrick’s Day Parade and the Al Smith Dinner and all the other “Catholic” traditions that have been hijacked by the world. Better for Catholics to enter their churches and get down on their knees on St. Patrick’s Day to pray in reparation for the foolishness, and to pray for this confused world to return to its senses. Let’s do adoration and pray the rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet unceasingly for this poor old world.

    But don’t go to the parade; stay away from the Al Smith Dinner and all that “old school” stuff that hangs on in a darkened world. And as for St Patrick’s Day, it’s time to stop wearin’ the green and instead take up the purple of Lent and mean it. Enough of the celebration of stupidity, frivolity, and drunkenness that St Paddy’s day has become. We need penance now, not foolishness. We don’t need parades and dinner with people who scoff at our teachings, insist we compromise, use us for publicity, and make money off of us. We’re being played for (and are?) fools.

    End the St Patrick’s parade. End the Al Smith Dinner and all other such compromised events. Enough now, back to Church! Wear the purple of Lent and if there is going to be a procession, let it be Eucharistic and penitential for the sins of this age.
    For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!”

    • somebigguy

      I wonder what retribution Msgr. Pope now faces…

      • ForChristAlone

        They will have a difficult time doing anything now because they will make him a victim of their power madness. It’s time to get the Nuncio involved in how certain bishops wield power. They try to destroy good priests. Wuerhl could never even measure up to the priest who Msgr Pope is.

      • Art Anders

        Why is it that every picture of Dolan hee-hawing is identical: Same open mouth, same angle of the head, same upward turn of the eyes ? Can this be anything other than rehearsed? The tragedy is not that most people see through the phoniness, but that Dolan does not realize that they see through the phoniness. Were Dolan secure in himself he’d not posture so. And were he confident that the Faith isstronger than its secular enemies, he would not be so solicitous of approval. A real tragedy. Cardinal Dolan: This is not Milwaukee, and perhaps you are beginning to realize that, to your chagrin.

        • Mme_Chantal

          My take on this is that it flows from Cardinal Dolan’s temperament. He’s a maximum extrovert and a congenital optimist. Just as shy people in positions of power need wise advisers who counsel courage and boldness, others need wise advisers who counsel courage with regard to principles and long term consequences..

          • DE-173

            It is not good for a Bishop to have an “external locus of identity”.

    • Art Anders

      Donald Wuerl proves that it is possible for women to be ordained – even become bishops

      • Mme_Chantal

        No. Just no. Msgr Pope would never sanction your snide calumny. If criticise you must, please find a better way.

        • Art Anders

          Alright then, Explain why, when the faithful are asked for models of the vigorous manly leadership we need, Wuerl does not make the list?

          • Mme_Chantal

            You have now asked a legitimate question. I don’t feel qualified to answer it, but it deserves an answer.

          • MIKE

            There are heretics and schismatics within the Clergy.
            They do not all care about the mortal sin of scandal.
            Some have lost their Faith completely.
            Their public actions and statements speak loudly.

    • Such “Catholic” traditions were not hijacked, but handed over to the world in a basket.

    • elarga

      A splendid analysis. You’ve got it right.

  • Bill Russell

    Perspective: At this very moment the bishops in Iraq and Syria are risking their lives with their flocks who are being crucified and and beheaded and driven from their homes. At the same time the most prominent archbishop in the United States is selling out the Faith and his patron St. Patrick to degenerates for a few pieces of silver – probably followed by a single malt whiskey and a good cigar. It is time for all of us “American Catholics” to examine our consciences.

    • somebigguy

      Indeed. But our time is coming. Our accommodation of evil has guaranteed it. Obama and his party’s attacks on the free exercise clause– on the entire First Amendment and much of the rest of there Constitution– is but the beginning.

      • Worry not, as long as we the people exercise the 2nd Amendment, all the Bill of Rights will stand on.

        • somebigguy

          Lock ‘n’ load!

        • somebigguy

          Lock ‘n’ load!

        • ForChristAlone

          keep your powder dry

  • BXVI

    It is beyond me how Cardinal Dolan and others like him can’t see where this type of accomodation with the world leads. It leads to death. Many of our prelates see the Church’s diminished influence in the United States as being the result of failure to “engage” with the world and be “open” and “welcoming” to all people. They have it exactly backwards. It has been the accomodation and pandering to the world in an attempt to stay “relevant” (and thus keep the coffers and pews full) that has led us to where we are now. This would have been a perfect place to make a stand. Cardinal Dolan should have withdrawn his support from the parade, resigned as Grand Marshal, and forbid any Catholic in New York from participating in or supporting it in any way. That would have required willingness to risk losing money and support from dissenting Catholics, and of course willingness to suffer the opprobrium of the NYT and other media. In other words, it would have taken courage. I really don’t think most Catholic clergy see or think about how much this type of accomodation scandalizes and hurts faithful Catholoics. Or, they don’t care because they know we aren’t going anywhere. In any event, it seems to me that Cardinal Dolan is following the approach his boss has made known he wants followed. Is there anyone here who thinks Pope Francis would have done anything different from what Cardinal Dolan has done?

    • MIKE

      Cardinal Dolan is responsible for his own Mortal sin of Scandal.

      CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
      It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
      Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others.
      Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.”

      Never tolerate Mortal Sin.
      Unrepented Mortal Sins send Souls to Hell for eternity.

  • Antonio

    “The effort to withhold Communion from pro-choice Catholic pols “is in the past,” he said.”

    Is this really what he said in the latest interview?

    I know there was no witholding in the first place,but is this know the “official policy”?

    • MIKE

      No. The official Church teaching is in the Code of Canon Law on the Vatican web site.

      ” Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty
      and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin
      are not to be admitted to holy communion. ”
      http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P39.HTM

      “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” –
      CCC: ” 1457 According to the Church’s command, “after having attained the age of discretion, each of the faithful is bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year.”
      Anyone who is aware of having committed a mortal sin must not receive Holy Communion, even if he experiences deep contrition, without having first received sacramental absolution, …”

      CCC: ” 2120 Sacrilege consists in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions, as well as persons, things, or places consecrated to God.
      Sacrilege is a grave sin especially when committed against the Eucharist, for in this sacrament the true Body of Christ is made substantially present for us.
      There are some Clergy that are heretics and schismatics – wolves in sheeps’ clothing.

  • Toni C

    I am not Irish but I never viewed this parade as a “catholic” thing but a celebration of all things connected with being Irish. The education system they set up, their contribution to civic activities i.e fire dept., police dept., politics, and yes the church. But the parade is no more a “catholic thing” than is the Columbus Day Parade, the Puerto Rican Day parade etc. viewed in this light I don’t see this as a church caving in but Irish people moving on.

    • Aaronwall

      Well then, don’t call it a procession in honor of St. Patrick and the Archdiocese of New York (as the official website of the parade committee calls it) and don’t begin with Mass, and don’t have it reviewed by the Cardinal Archbishop of New York from the cathedral steps.

    • GG

      St. Patrick is basically a myth I guess. Catholics and their Cardinal are just props?

    • DE-173

      Did you grow up in Scranton?
      Man, you should see the godlessness when the Caseys would come to Joyce’s in the Minooka section (yep, where Joe Biden got his start) to press the flesh in an election year.

  • Timothy Hayes

    To return St. Patrick’s day to a day of holiness I wholly agree. (Frankly in my sixty -three years maybe back in grade school it was such, at least for us wee ones) We Irish are much to blame for the state it is now in. Irish pride??? Many would be better off going to confession and Mass and then a Twelve -Step meeting than tipping back the Guinness and Wisky and beatin the wife or perpetrating some other hate crime on humanity (even if it is only in our hearts). Stop blaming Cardinal Dolan and straighten up your own house. It appears to me that deaf ears abound when it comes to the Gospel message of love thy enemies; and that Timothy Cardinal Dolan has his work cut out for him on this lot of sheep.

    • GG

      What is unloving about not affirming sin?

    • DE-173

      So because the flock is in the brambles, you’d let him off the hook for not trying to call back the ones peering off the cliff?

    • ForChristAlone

      So you think that active homosexuals ought to be an officially recognized group in the parade?

  • Kimo

    Certainly Christians can no longer participate in the parade. The Apostle Paul is quite clear in teaching that approving of mortal sin is the same as committing it yourself.

  • Carmen

    Here is a bold proposition from one of the Faithful: http://youtu.be/0P7HXozdBns

  • Maria Gabriela Salvarrey Rodri

    The fact that Cardinal Dolan is alright with it doesn’t oblige Catholic faithful to accept it. I think considering this and other things that have distanced the parade from good faith all catholic faithful true to the teachings of church should boycott it. Forget it exists. Don’t attend not watch on TV. It’s just another secular culture parade that has nothing to do with St. Patrick. I recommend reading the article by Msgr. Pope that they took down from the DC Archdiocesan website it gives good analysis and excellent alternative activities for that day. You can find the full text here:
    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/09/uh-oh-time-for-another-edition-of.html

  • ArthurMcGowan

    Cardinal Law was hounded out of Boston. It was a great precedent, that unfortunately has not been followed up. There should be a ruckus that the Pope cannot ignore. Saint Patrick’s ought to be empty when Dolan is celebrating Mass. There ought to be no Catholics lining the streets next March 17th. Giving to the Archdiocese of New York should dry up.

    Dolan is as great a traitor to the Church–and to the people, the laity–as Law. Dolan has repeatedly–repeatedly–made statements to the effect that this or that pro-abortion politician is a good Catholic. He “took a breather” on the HHS Abortion Mandate between July and the election in 2012–no doubt because he could not stomach doing anything to hurt the Democratic Party–so what if Catholic businesses have to close, and babies die?

    Dolan is as obviously unconcerned–or worse–about abortion as Cardinal Bernardin.

    • John O’Neill

      Let us cut to the chase; the Catholic Church both in America and the rest of the world is falling rapidly into schism. There are two Catholic Churches in America right now; one is faithful to the magisterium and the other is more interested in the Church conforming to the teachings of the Democrat party(also Republican party) and the American government. My good friend is a priest in the Saint Pius X Society and he and I have many good conversations on his calling. The attraction of going to the Pius X Church is becoming stronger and stronger. I feel it is better to leave the American Church with its drunken St. Patty’s Day parade, its inane Notre Dame rah rah football team and its insufferable Kennedy family. There are many good and faithful priests in our country and we should pray for them and guide them to maintain the Faith against all odds. Et in arcadia ego.

      • ForChristAlone

        Pius X Society might be our only option left.

        • bonaventure

          Do not say that, please. Worse comes to worst, the real Church in America (however minimal in numbers) will go underground as they did in China and survived all these years, without any need for the SSPX.

        • No, the faithful uniate Eastern Catholic Churches would offer over 20 options to live out the One True Faith.

          • ForChristAlone

            or perhaps the Anglican Ordinariate

            • Unlike the uniate churches, which have their own independent governing patriarchs, the ordinariate is under the jurisdiction of the patriarch of Rome.

              • ForChristAlone

                I always thought the Uniate churches were under Rome. Does that mean they have their own Canon law and would the most recent Catechism of the Catholic Church contain all that they too would believe? If they have their own patriarchs, I would guess that they name their own bishops independent of Rome.

                • Correct, each Eastern Church has its own code of canon law. Now, of course they believe the same as the Latin Church, we are all Catholic.

                  As a matter of fact, we don’t typically know popes as such, but only as patriarchs. The Latin Patriarch seldom exercises his Petrine Office, but we grew accustomed to thinking that everything a pope does and says is as not as out patriarch, but as head of the universal Church, which is a misconception.

      • FreemenRtrue

        I’m afraid Pope Francis will ignite the schism which exists in temperament but has not exploded into separation. His continuous goofy, ambiguous and deliberately obscure statements seem to titillate the atheists, homosexuals, Marxists, feminist nuns and modernists. Why? Christ said that the sheep know the voice of the shepherd. I do not think his voice is resonating with the orthodox Catholics but only with those who despise the teachings of the Church. Which flock recognizes the voice of this ?shepherd?

  • Bobalouie

    Same thing happened with Mardi Gras. Christians used to “christianize” the pagan holidays and now it is going the other way. Sad.

  • BXVI

    It is frustrating that there seems to be no way to contact the Cardinal directly via email to register our disgust.

    • Daniel P

      Try phone: 212-371-1000. It’s this older technology that you may have heard of. Some people prefer to limit the amount of irate messages they read in a day — it’s not exactly conducive to spiritual health.

      • bonaventure

        ” it’s not exactly conducive to spiritual health”
        Neither is homosexuality.

        • Daniel P

          Again, I don’t think homosexual activity is healthy. You’ve apparently got me confused with someone else.

          • bonaventure

            Oh no. I did not get your confused with someone else, Daniel P. Your previous pro-homosexual, er, excuse me, your “compassionate”, “loving” and “who-am-I-to-judge-ish” posts speak the truth for themselves.

  • BXVI

    He’s just doing what his boss would do. Does anyone think Pope Francis would have done anything different that what Cardinal Dolan has done? We are in deep trouble, people.

  • Edward Alson

    Corrupt church officials were adept at hiding the truth from the people. They never anticipated the Internet which enables the people to get the truth. If $$$ has corrupted the archdiocese of NY, let $$$ reform it. Boycotting is an old Irish tradition. Boycott the parade. Boycott events featuring Cardinal Dolan. Boycott the St. Patrick’s cathedral campaign. Boycott any collection that goes to the archdiocese. In most ways the laity are powerless, but since money talks, use it to shout.

    • Daniel P

      “…the Internet which enables the people to get the truth. ”

      What a very strange comment. The Internet is the single biggest source of lies and half-truths ever invented. Sure, sometimes, the net will get you the truth, but Magic Eight Balls sometimes say the right thing too.

      • ForChristAlone

        I disagree. Take the piece written by Msgr Pope on the parade and Al Smith Dinner. In days gone by, someone like him with a well-formed conscience would never have been able to reach such a vast audience as he did. And then, when Wuerl and Dolan tried to shut down any public disagreement with Dolan’s piss poor leadership, they could have done so. But not in this age when, once something gets out into cyberspace, it’s almost impossible to eradicate it completely. Ask Lois Lerner.

        • bonaventure

          Daniel P is a known cheerleader for homosexuality on Crisis Magazine discussion treads.

          He believes that anything (any post, any teaching, any doctrine) which opposes homosexuality is an existential lie. Because, in the end, he believes that homosexuality is good and needs to be celebrated.

          • Daniel P

            That is pure nonsense and slander. I firmly oppose homosexual activity, which I consider to be a mortal sin. You are seriously off base, sir.

            I welcome anyone to review my posts on various threads. Apparently Bonaventure believes that anyone who seeks to moderate extreme rhetoric is a defender of sin. I’m sorry he feels that way.

            I’m sure many people here disagree with some of my stances, but recognize that I sincerely believe them, and that I am a faithful practicing Catholic. I’m guessing ForChristAlone is one such individual. I am glad that he (or she) has been patient with me, and I always try to be patient with people who disagree with me. I don’t make a policy of writing them off because their views challenge my own.

            • bonaventure

              Your pro-homosexual views do not challenge any of my views, which are based on the doctrine of the Church (rather than some circumstantial and temporary pastoral initiatives, which might or might not bring some homosexual sinners to repentance).

              • Daniel P

                This post is actually for ForChristAlone:

                You asked earlier what sorts of harms same-sex attracted people experience from people in the Church. The words of bonaventure above are an example. You see, I’m here as a person who has experienced SSA and rejected homosexual identity and homosexual sex, and I am being portrayed as (essentially) a homosexualist. All slander hurts, and this particular instance of slander certainly hurts.

                The truth is that bonaventure and I agree about homosexuality. We agree that it, like all temptations to sin, should be wholly rejected. (You may notice that I disagree, by and large, with the “New Homophiles” on this point). We just disagree about methods to convert and preach to gay people. That’s fine, and I’m happy to talk about that. What bugs me, though, is that I’m portrayed as a harmful radical. I’m open to changing my views — if you look below, my views on Dolan have become more negative in this very discussion. What I’m not open to is becoming a target for misrepresentation and slander.

                • bonaventure

                  “We just disagree about methods to convert and preach to gay people.”

                  Considering that more and more Church leaders are increasingly falling into some sort of apostasy on the issue of homosexuality (also called homoheresy or homosexualism), I have come to the conclusion that, to quote Christ, “this people’s heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal them.'” (Matthew 13:15)

                  Therefore, it may be time to “shake off the dust from [our] feetas a testimony against them” (Luke 9:5).

                  I find it amazing that so many are swayed by the touchy-feeling “pastoral initiatives” directed at homosexuals (such as allowing them to prance in a Catholic parade), but absolutely refuse the fact that, as a group defined by this particular sin, homosexuals simply do not respond to the Church’s — and therefore Christ’s — call for repentance. After all, they are no different from other sinners, and as such the call for repentance applies to them as well, without asterisk.

                  But I will also consider your negative reception of this whole Cardinal Dolan thing as a testimony to your spiritual progression, and I am willing to ponder on what you wrote.

                  After all, if there is any sarcasm and/or negative portrayal in my posts, it is with the objective to wake you up (and to wake up anyone else who has ears to hear, and who are still willing/capable to use them).

                  • ForChristAlone

                    I think we ought to distinguish between homosexuality which presupposes an acceptance of the lifestyle of sin and active engagement in it and what is termed SSA – same sex attraction. It is my contention that if someone has SSA the only ones who need to know about it are the person him or herself, God, their spiritual director and, if necessary, their professional Catholic (and orthodox) counselor.

          • DE-173

            i think you have “Daniel P” confused with another identity of the same first name.

    • ForChristAlone

      Nailed it!

  • Aaronwall

    Does the defective leadership and decadent culture of the archdiocese of New York possibly have anything to do with the fact that it has per capita the lowest rate of priestly vocations in the United States ?

  • Michael P. Mc Crory

    This Cardinal Dolan is simply a STUPID man. He continues to do great harm to the Church. Won’t someone stop him; send him to Siberia or something. Who elected him to be a prince of the Church?.

  • johnalbertson

    Too often honest criticism and constructive complaints do not make it to a bishop. They can live in a bubble protected by staff and flatterers. They could benefit from the “fraternal correction” done in charity and objectivity which has long been a mainstay of the monastic life. I hope Cardinal Dolan somehow gets to read this article and especially the comments. It could be sobering, but soul saving.

  • Michael P. Mc Crory

    email Cardinal Dolan at: Archdolan@archny. org
    Tel; 212 371 1000
    Everyone who works in his diocese and does not point out this man’s errors to him is every bit as guilty as he. Fear of losing one’s job is just not going to fly with Jesus Christ on judgement day.

    St.John Vianney said it well.

    “There is nothing more common than people saying:
    ” Oh my God I love you and nothing more rare, perhaps, than the love of the good God.”

  • Edward Alson

    Dolan will announce the massive closings of parishes in his crumbling archdiocese in October, so a priest informs me (postponed from the originally scheduled date in September.) Of all the parishes in Manhattan, the three that are definitely not to be touched are the three that conspicuously promote “Gay Pride” with their “Gay Pride Masses.” There is something rotten, and it isn’t in Denmark.

    • Objectivetruth

      Seriously…….they have “Gay Pride Masses??”

      • johnalbertson

        Yes. Well publicized. St. Francis Xavier (Jesuit), St. Francis of Assisi (Franciscan) and St. Paul the Apostle (Paulist.) Xavier is the most notorious. They had a banner-carrying contingent in the Gay Pride parade until they were asked to march anonymously. Nonetheless, Cardinal Dolan and Egan jointly applauded a festive Mass there and Egan called it “one of the greatest parishes in the world.”

        • FreemenRtrue

          Good grief.

      • somebigguy

        Someone’s deep-sixin’ his soul!

        Uh, uh! I didn’t point fingers, so don’t go calling me judgmental!

        But some celebrant(s) in NYC is aimin’ for the deep end of the pool!

  • Margaret O

    Have a read of ‘Good-bye Good Men’ …. it explains much!

  • bonaventure

    I hope this is not a prelude to the fight which may happen at the Synod of Bishops next month. But I am afraid that it is.

  • John Grondelski

    Timothy Cardinal Dolan is the ecclesiastical version of George H.W. Bush: after inheriting a solid situation from his predecessor, he decided to be a “kinder, gentler” sort of guy kindling “a thousand points of light” with smiles, gee-whizzes, and all sorts of folksy Maine (sorry, I mean Missouri) banter that does fill in the purpose of conviction. “No new taxes” Bush then found a way to raise taxes, which was one of the reasons why he became …. an EX-President. Alas, bishops continue their policies (and will never be called on the carpet about them) until they retire or pass away. My question: what does TCD do when the homosexual banner passes St. Pats? Smile? Wave? Turn away? Tell a joke? Feign a concerned look? Or do an interview with a National Catholic Distorter correspondent?

    • Bill Russell

      Bush 43 saved hundreds of thousands from tyranny and death under Hussein, and his victory in Iraq would have done even more had not Hussein Obama withdrawn our troops. Statues of Bush have been erected in Africa for the countless lives he saved through AIDS programs.

      Dolan should not be mentioned in the same breath. Bush was more pro-life than Dolan. Bush never removed his jacket in the Oval Office out of respect for the presidency. Were he a bishop, he would not have worn a Cheesehead at Mass or acted like a buffoon. Can Dolan ever dream of matching the following accomplishments of W?

      What were President George W. B

      Domestic accomplishments of President Bush:

      Implemented the $1.3 trillion “Bush tax cuts” of 2001 and 2003,
      significantly lowering the marginal tax rates for nearly all U.S.
      taxpayers
      Signed the No Child Left Behind Act reauthorizing the
      Elementary and Secondary Education Act and supporting standards-based
      education reform
      Signed the USA PATRIOT Act enhancing law
      enforcement investigatory tools related to terrorism, and established
      the Department of Homeland Security
      Promoted socially
      conservative policies like the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act and White
      House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives
      Enacted
      Medicare Part D into law and vetoed State Children’s Health Insurance
      Program (SCHIP) legislation expanding federally funded health care
      benefits
      Implemented several free trade agreements and pushed for offshore and domestic oil drilling

      Championed comprehensive immigration reform and Social Security reform,
      but the legislation for either cause never mustered enough support to
      pass Congress
      Sent FEMA resources to the South in the wake of
      Hurricane Katrina, but soon came under withering criticism that the
      federal government had not done enough to aid the affected population

      Presided over the beginnings of the Great Recession in 2008 and
      launched several different economic initiatives aimed at preventing a
      banking system collapse, stopping foreclosures, and stimulating the
      economy

      Foreign policy accomplishments of President Bush:

      Ordered an invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 to overthrow the Taliban,
      destroy Al-Qaeda, and to capture Osama bin Laden following the September
      11 terrorist attacks
      Led an invasion of Iraq in 2003 under the pretext of Iraqi refusal to relinquish its WMD
      Condemned Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as part of the “Axis of Evil” and accused them of helping terrorism and seeking WMD
      Signed the US-India Civil Nuclear Agreement with India, greatly improving relations between the countries

      Established the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), an
      AIDS program that committed $15 billion to combat AIDS over five years,
      especially in Africa

      • Daniel P

        Did you miss the “H”?

        • Bill Russell

          Sorry. My bad. I did miss the H. I’d go along with you on that. Although the big difference between Bush ’41 and Dolan is that Bush ’41 is a gentleman. But I do stick with Bush 43 and miss him greatly.

  • Unanimous Consent

    I am just basically offended. I worked for the NCCB (now USCCB) in the 1990’s. I thought I had seen it all. Evidently, I hadn’t.

    The amount of yellow that runs through the episcopate is absolutely pathetic. My 9 year old has more intestinal fortitude than many of them.

    Thrown under the bus, beat up and dumped on. That’s how I feel.

    I am at an end taking their pronouncements on anything but the faith itself with any seriousness whatsoever.

  • Hugh Lunn

    Dolan has be-clowned himself incessantly. He’s also faithless and fears
    the world. In short, Cardinal Dolan is worried more about whether he is
    licking the right boots than his almighty soul.

  • Tantem Ergo

    Great article. Here in Iowa we have a huge dilemna, well not for me, but good “Catholics” have worked to put on the highly anticipated Christ our Life conference in Des Moines, with none other than Dolan as the keynote/Mass celebrant. If I go it will be to stand outside the conference with a “Repent Dolan” sign. Our Lady of Sorrows, pray for us.

    • Angie Derwell

      Clearly, Dolan should be dis-invited. He will only tell a few fat man jokes, pass out cigars, and degrade the faithful who are attending the conference. If he is not asked delicately not to appear, you should stay away.

  • Guest505

    What were once good, wholesome and historic traditions have been hijacked and kidnapped by political correctness and inclusiveness. No tradition will become what it was. For the sake of “Can we just get along?” or the fear of being harshly criticized by the world, some of our church leaders have unfortunately caved in. Yes, the Church doors open out very wide to welcome everyone in. But what has been Sacred Tradition will forever stand. So traditions such as this has lost its true and real flavor. Very sad indeed.

  • Amatorem Veritatis

    A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away…there were those who seriously considered one named Timothy Cardinal Dolan as being worthy of assuming the title of The Vicar of Christ. How naive and shallow this seems in view of the Al Smith and Gay Pride Parade scandals.

    Some people, through the force of their personality and intellect, shape events and change history (JP II & Benedict XVI), while some let the shape of events and history change their (Catholic) personality. Dolan, Wuerl and others representing the “lost generation” of American clergy will ultimately pass from sight and sound, and be replaced by those who are less “of the world”.

  • jacobum

    Clearly, Cdl Dolan has either lost the faith or had a stroke. He has now become an “in your face” mocking protagonist for evil and an ongoing instrument of scandal. His comments and actions over the last 4+ years scream insincerity and personal insecurity. His “blessing” has turned into the equivalent of the middle finger digital salute for all the faithful. The Big City Lights have dimmed the Truth of Christ in his soul. A shepherd he is not. The only thing that will help him is our prayers. What a profound disappoint as a Prince of the Church he has allowed himself to become. In charity one has to feel sorrow and pity for him…yes pity…that is…until one starts to consider the damage to the souls in his care.

  • Micha Elyi

    Bishop Dolan and this week’s readings at Sunday Mass. Compare and contrast.

  • Annamenuensis

    On my rather frequent business visits to New York from “Middle America” I make a pilgrimage to the once great Church of Our Saviour on Park Avenue. Dolan appointed a new pastor who has removed many of the glorious icons and in a short time has driven most of the faithful away. I know (as I am one of them) that Dolan has been flooded with sorrowful letters complaining about what is going on there, and has done nothing. This is a modern version of Iconoclasm, along with many other serious problems. How can a Cardinal justify this?

    • Aaronwall

      I know what you mean. Father George Rutler made that parish, long considered hopeless because of its huge debts. one of the world’s most celebrated parishes, a center of faith and renewal and many vocations. Now it is desolate. I appealed to him for a comment but , gentleman and obedient priest that he is, he will not say anything. But it must be painful for him and his people. I am told that the humble rectory of Father Rutler is being renovated into a luxurious new quarters (Pope Francis, where are you?) paid for for with the money Father Rutler and his parishioners sacrificially raised. And the beautiful art that Father Rutler commissioned has been destroyed. Explanation?

  • ForChristAlone

    I am sure that the Papal Nuncio’s office in Washington DC would welcome hearing any and all views from faithful Catholics about Timothy Dolan’s decision to formally recognize an active homosexual group into a Catholic parade honoring one of the Church’s saints. He might also be persuaded to seek out a basilica in Rome for the archbishop so he can enjoy an early retirement in the Eternal City.

    Here’s the contact information for Archbishop Vignano: Address: 3339 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20008 / Phone:(202) 333-7121

  • Gilchrist

    Complete surrender after years of threats, chaos and disruption from the LGBTQ forces. Submission to organized sin has never been a Christian characteristic, which is obvious in the history of the millions of martyrs of the Faith to the Truth. Now that the victory is won, the focus will clearly be away from the Saint, the Irish and the heritage, and rest assured no Pro-Life banners will be welcome amongst the sodomites and transgendered, and gender confused, Heaven forbid!!! Kyrie eleison.

  • LiMin3

    Church teaching does call us to love those with homosexual tendencies, but it never calls us to condone sinful behaviors (which would be same-sex relationships or same-sex sexual behaviors). Since those “coming out” in public circles usually represent those ACTIVELY engaging in homosexual sexual sins, it is entirely wrong and causes scandal to allow activist gay groups to march in a Catholic-named parade. It DOES give the wrong impression because it makes it appear as if the Church condones homosexual relationships. Worse, many Catholics are fighting for traditional marriage right now in this country and gay activists are overriding religious freedom to get same-sex marriage approved in all states. This is another problem with allowing any group to “represent” the gay agenda in this country. If they were a group of homosexual men and women who held a banner saying they were CHASTE and practicing the teachings of the Church by NOT engaging in same-sex sexual acts, then that would be tolerable. I only believe it would be “tolerable” given the scandalous climate we currently live in. Right now, any move to promote homosexual groups appears to promote homosexual sin—and that is entirely inappropriate to a Catholic-based parade.

  • LiMin3

    The parade must be renamed if it continues (to remove St. Patrick’s identity from it) OR entirely dis-banned. As we all know that St. Patrick would not approve of gay activist groups marching in the parade or causing the scandal it will cause to the Church.

  • LiMin3

    Does anyone know how we could petition to have the parade renamed? It no longer represents the ideals of the Church or gives respect to St. Patrick, so maybe the entire parade can be renamed? Could we start up a petition online??

  • LiMin3

    Here is the website for the board of directors. Perhaps we can get a petition started and then send it to them? Long shot, I know but maybe—
    http://www.nycstpatricksparade.org/parade-officers-and-directors.html

  • BXVI

    So, I was listening to Gus Lloyd’s radio show this morning on the Catholic Channel, and a topic of discussion was this issue of Cardinal Dolan’s decision to participate in and approve of the St. Patrick’s day parade despite the fact that a gay pride group will, for the first time, be permitted to march under a banner. I would like to say I was shocked at the attitudes of the callers, but I was not. At least half the callers, all of whom were Catholic, were supportive of the decision. The basic message of those who were supportive was that the Church needs to, inevitably will, and is in the process of, accepting homosexual conduct as non-sinful so long as it is between two committed people in a loving relationship. They seemed to believe that it is only a matter of time before the Church changes to accept this, and were thankful that, in their perception, Pope Francis is taking the Church in that direction and Cardinal Dolan is merely following his lead. The words ‘inclusive’ and ‘non-judgmental’ were frequently used. And, of course, “Who am I to judge?” was repeated frequently. Folks, the Church is in deep, deep trouble.

    • The understanding of sex among Catholics is not different from that of the world: it’s an entertaining sport. The only difference is that it must be between two committed people, not even married. Now, if sex is merely entertainment, two people are free to entertain themselves however they want. However, then its restriction to committed people only is absurdly arbitrary. Therefore, the logical conclusion is the acceptance of sex according to the world, where commitment and only two people are not requirements.

  • John Albertson

    Assuming that Cardinal Dolan offered Mass today, did he stumble over the first reading from 1 Cor:6?

    “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will
    not inherit the kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters,
    adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards,
    slanderers and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God. These
    are the sort of people some of you were once, but now you have been
    washed clean, and sanctified, and justified through the name of the Lord
    Jesus Christ and through the Spirit of our God.”

    Sorry, St. Paul – you’ll never be Grand Marshall of the St. Patrick’s Parade.

    • somebigguy

      Oh, well said, John, well said!

  • Aldo Elmnight

    Dolan is an apostate and heretic. He should repent publicly and resign immediately.

    • mollysdad

      Apart from that, where does he rank in the line-up of the most evil men to have held the office of Archbishop of New York?

  • Allison

    At what point will you stop being surprised? Dolan got punked in Obama care. He got punked at the Al Smith dinner. He got oubked on immigration. His words on those occasions showed he was SHOCKED to find Obama had lied to him.

    His comments about Romney and Obama made it clear the man had voted D all his life.

    I don’t claim to know Dolan’s heart. But his actions are entirely predictable. He will continue to behave in a way that aligns to the American political Left.

    • MIKE

      You mean in a way that violates Church teaching and causes scandal ?

    • John Albertson

      Right or left – those don’t bother me too much, since I am a self-confessed snob and the big thing about Dolan that truly angers me is his vulgarity. His unrelenting boorishness and faux folksiness (which has managed to alienate decent New Yorkers and especially real ladies and gentlemen) gives the impression that this man is deeply insecure. But he must realize that the Mass is the Sacrifice of the Cross, and the only people who told jokes around the Cross were the cruel mob. And the next time he wants to wear a Cheese Head at Mass, he should remember that Jesus was dressed as a clown, but he did not do it himself: the mocking soldiers did.

  • I’m a New Yorker. Cardinal Dolan has been a great disappointment to me. He was advocating this change at least a year ago. And don’t forget he was absent in the New York State SSM laws that opened the gates for the entire country to condone SSM. At the time he gave some excuse as to why he did not participate. I can’t remember exactly what they were but now in hindsight they appear to have just been lame excuses.

  • FreemenRtrue

    Is it just my imagination or did Cardinal Dolan ‘sound’ much more conservative when JPII and Benedict XVI held office? Now that we have a Pope who thinks we oppose abortion, atheism and sexual perversion too much, has Cardinal Dolan swung about his anchor and kept his bow to the wind? He is too big and corpulent to represent the “Smoke of Satan” in the Church. When Jesus cast the demons into swine and they ran into the lake and perished it reminds one of our misguided clerics today. Is their lake a cauldron of fire? What will the Beloved One suffer when he sees leathers and gay promiscuity and the destruction of sacred matrimony celebrated in a parade to honor St. Patrick? Talk about pounding nails into His hands!

    • jay

      I don’t think he meant that we oppose abortion, atheism, and sexual perversion too much. I believe he wants to the Church to also focus on things like feeding the poor.

      • FreemenRtrue

        Oh yes that is a real novelty.

        • Jay

          Go ahead. You’re probably also very upset at the “Who am I to judge” comment as well.

          http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/popes-strong-words-in-defense-of-the-unborn

          • FreemenRtrue

            it was very dumb – quite regretful but he’s a novice and a provincial from a Socialist state. It remains to be seen if he makes a turn like Paul VI when he saw all the damage being done to the church.

        • ForChristAlone

          What some don’t realize is that the Catholic Church has always, is and will be first and foremost among all others in providing succor to the poor. No one dares preach to us about that – not even the Pope.

          • FreemenRtrue

            well the Pope tries to pretend it is a brand new thing – as if the church has not focused on the poor since the ministry of Jesus started.

  • FreemenRtrue

    All this disarray stems from the Jesuit embrace of Liberation Theology. They are traitors to the faith.

    • somebigguy

      Some are. But my favorite, Fr. Mitch Pacwa, certainly isn’t; don’t throw the good out with the bad.

      • FreemenRtrue

        Right ok there are a few orthodox Jesuits but the order is entirely corrupt. See ‘Jesuits’ by Malachi Martin. Some people think the Jesuits had him killed. Funny how Popes get dead or sick when they oppose the Marxist loving Jesuit order.

  • somebigguy

    Ah, now we see where accommodating evil gets you. Just in from the Catholic League:

    “Bill Donohue comments on a press conference held today on the steps of the New York Public Library:

    “We had two staff members at the press conference, and what they reported is quite interesting. Three gay groups announced that they have applied to march in New York’s 2015 St. Patrick’s Day Parade: Irish Queers, Lavender and Green Alliance, and St. Pat’s for All. They are furious with parade officials for not including them, and they are particularly angry at NBC (the network that televises the parade) for securing the right of an NBC gay group, OUT@NBC, to march, but not them.

    “Here is how these three gay groups characterized the NBC gambit: “Gay corporate staff can march (under a banner that doesn’t say the word ‘gay’), NBC saves face, and the parade keeps NBC’s sponsorship—without doing a thing to end the exclusion of LGBT groups.”

    “Emmaia Gelman of Irish Queers said there will “absolutely” be a protest at the 2015 march if these groups are denied the right to march. More important, Ann Northrop spoke at the press conference. She is most known for helping to organize the 1989 Nazi-like storming of a Sunday Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral; this is when Act-Up disrupted the Mass by chaining themselves to the pews and spitting the Eucharist on the floor. Now Northrop is back looking to crash the St. Patrick’s Day Parade.

    “John Lahey, the vice chairman of the parade committee, stunned us last week when he said that other gay groups may march in the 2015 parade. Now he has told the Irish Times that they are under pressure to “shorten” the parade. Who issued this edict? And does this mean that a contingent from the pro-life community will not be marching? We gave our support contingent on a formal rule change that would also allow pro-life Catholics to march under their own banner. Stay tuned.”

    • GG

      Why does the pro life group desire to march in such an event? Catholics, and people of good will, ought to shun that parade. Once it is opened to absurd ideologues there is no reason to participate in it. It is a farce and a source of disunity and scandal.

      • St. Benedict’s Thistle

        Exactly right. Catholics should shun this parade henceforth. Let it come to its logical conclusion now, a complete reversal of its original intent. Let Cardinal Dolan proudly march, his masters beside him in all their glory.

    • John Albertson

      Donohue first supported Dolan – to stay in his good graces – even though it meant a complete reversal of his former posiition. But as soon as he was overwhelmed by floods of protests (which are not good for income) he did another about face, repudiating his repudiation. What about the boycott of Guiness that he started last March? I am still boycotting Guiness but, as I cannot stand cynicism, I am now also boycotting the Catholic League.

  • kelso

    For Daniel P: Sometimes I get tired of hearing that Jesus dined with “prostitutes”. He did not. Saint Matthew was a publican and he invited friends to dinner that they might meet and hear the word of Christ during a meal. The Gospel does not say who Matthew’s friends were. Were they publicans? Maybe, who knows? Were they sinners? Of course, they were. So was Matthew to a certain extent. No doubt, he had seen Jesus, heard His word, saw miracles, before he was called. Otherwise, why would he leave his post immediately? He, no doubt, was thinking of the challenge of Jesus, the good news, before he was actually summoned. So, what does he do? He wants to share the treasure he found in Christ. He invites his friends to dine. A perfect setting to win his friends over to Christ. The guests were not like the loons at NY’s Al Smith dinner, drinking heavily and acting like buffoons. Nor were Matthew’s friends thieves taking tax money to pay women to murder their babies. So what did Dolan achieve laughing it up with Obama and the rest of the pro-aborts? Oh, yes honey wins more souls than vinegar. Saint Francis de Sales was not talking about bay-killers who hate Christian morality. He was talking about ignorant heretics or perhaps lukewarm Catholics who had some respect for moral sanity. Saint John the Baptist knew a lot about honey, he lived on it, but he called a spade a spade and sometimes the spades were broods of vipers.

    • Daniel P

      The Bible says he ate with “sinners” — it little matters what kind of sinners. Obviously he didn’t eat with them in the context of their sin, which would be outrageous and scandalous. He didn’t join tax collectors for a snack while they were defrauding taxpayers, nor did he visit brothels. Likewise, it would be outrageous for a priest to march in a gay pride parade, in the context of sexual excess and indecency. That’s not brotherhood (even if it’s “meant well”); that’s degeneracy.

      I think, when it comes to the St. Patty’s parade, many people expect the gay group to show up as an indecent crew. If that happens, by all means, the egg is squarely on Dolan’s face. But if they show up to reasonably advocate a position that they believe (however false their position is), I don’t see it as intrinsically objectionable to march with them. It doesn’t indicate support for their position. I agree that it may confuse people, and that Dolan ought to have a “game plan” for their conversion, if this is his reason for leading the parade. But it’s not intrinsically wrong. It’s a matter of prudence.

      If Dolan hasn’t gone off the rails — and he might have, for all I know — then he is trying to create in New York exactly what you mention: a perfect setting to win his friends over to Christ. You need to make friends, after all, before you can win them to Christ.

      • ForChristAlone

        ” a perfect setting to win his friends over to Christ. You need to make friends, after all, before you can win them to Christ.”

        It might not occur to you that people are won over to Christ with THE TRUTH – not with cheap pandering sentimentality. Jesus told us He was THE TRUTH. Anything less than this means we are not following Him.

        • Daniel P

          You don’t win people over to Christ if you don’t have a good relationship with them first. But yes, at that point, the Truth is central.

          There is nothing pandering or sentimental, though, about genuinely enjoying the company of a person who happens to be a serious sinner. It is dignifying to the person, and enjoyable for oneself. Perhaps Dolan is pandering, I don’t know. But when I foster a relationship with friends I know who live in serious sin, I’m doing it because I like to spend time with the person and because I want to share with them — at the right time — the Gospel.

          • ForChristAlone

            “But when I foster a relationship with friends I know who live in serious sin, I’m doing it because I like to spend time with the person and because I want to share with them — at the right time — the Gospel.”

            Which means, of course, that you share with him or her the unvarnished TRUTH as taught by the Catholic Church.

            • Daniel P

              Yes.

              • ForChristAlone

                well done, then.

  • TommyD6of11

    The grand Cardinal Dolan is a very popular man.

    A very very popular man indeed.

    I am just not so sure that God is so equally impressed by his popularity.

    Say a pray for the oh so popular Dolan, for surely the final day will come and he’ll need enough prayers to last an eternity.

  • Jay

    Wow, so far I’v seen Cardinal Dolan be referred to as a “heretic,” “evil,” and “apostate” While I don’t like what Dolan is doing, I’m reminded of a something that I went through this past year in my RCIA class. We were discussing mortal sins and the breaking of the Ten Commandments, and what constitutes as a mortal and and what doesn’t. One of my RCIA directors said something to the effect that breaking a Commandment would be a mortal sin. I thought to myself, well that’s easy because I honor my mother and father, I don’t cheat on my wife, etc. and I certainly haven’t killed anyone. So the next week, my director really broke down each one and wanted us to realize how easy it is to commit each one, if we’re not careful. The last commandment I mentioned, “you shall not kill” really struck me when he addressed it. The director mentioned how we can “kill” others spirit’s when we talk bad about them, behind their backs, it’s not always literally killing someone. Could some of you be guilty of this?

    Gossip and killing someone’s spirit with my words is something I struggled with (especially when I was a Protestant, I would sin…sin..sin because I new I was automatically forgiven anyways.) and to be honest I still struggle with it. It’s much easier to “kill” someone’s spirit on the internet too.

    Like everyone else on here at Mass , I pray for Pope Francis, his Bishops and clergy – and this includes Dolan. So…do you pray the same prayer and then the next day come on to this board and “kill” their spirits with words? The same names I’ve seen people call Dolan, I’ve also seen with Pope Francis. I could be totally out of the ball park with my post, after all I’m a new Catholic, and very inmature in my faith. Pray for Pope Francis, Cardinal Dolan, and pray for me as well.

    • Daniel P

      I, for one, think you show a great deal of wisdom in reserving judgment, and controlling your tongue.

      • ForChristAlone

        “I, for one, think you show a great deal of wisdom in reserving judgment, and controlling your tongue.” ….and say nothing while people are being led to hell.

        • Daniel P

          James 4: “Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?”

          One can express concern about the rightness or prudence of an action without indulging in the sweet and sinful taste of accusing another person of being wicked. Some people critical of Dolan have kept a leash on their tongues, and some have not.

          • ForChristAlone

            No one can and should sit in judgement of any man’s soul which essentially refers to their relationship to the God whom they are created to worship and praise.

            But we can and should sit in judgement on our brother’s behavior because the state of his soul is so important to those who love him. To illustrate my point, you are sitting in judgment on what some of the people who write here have said about Dolan. And, I might add, you are acting within the bounds of love in making your judgment.

            • Daniel P

              Clearly, James is not criticizing those who directly confront the sinner with his sin. Nor is he criticizing those who openly discuss which sorts of actions are sinful and which are not. He is criticizing those who say “so and so did such and such sin” in a spirit of divisiveness or in a spirit of superiority. You will have a hard time convincing me that many of the comments below do not involve such self-satisfied divisiveness. I do not say that your comments have such a tone, however — indeed, I cannot possibly know your intentions.

              I’m guessing that some people just enjoy lambasting a bishop, however, as a form of schadenfreude. I will take the liberty, then, of clarifying to them that such behavior is not appropriate, however understandable the temptation.

              • ForChristAlone

                Can you cite one person who has said that Dolan is guilty of “sin?” That would imply divining the state of another man’s soul which is impossible. Giving scandal is another matter because one can assess his actions as doing just that. Whether his behavior is a morally culpable act ( aka sin) is another matter altogether.

    • ForChristAlone

      We also believe that in Christian charity we are to admonish the sinner. If many of us had a private audience with the Archbishop, we would not hesitate to warn him about the potential scandal (i,e, a sin) that is given when he sits down at the Al Smith dinner with a man who believes that it is a moral good to promote partial birth abortion – Mr Obama – and says nothing. By the way, partial birth abortion is the reprehensibly barbaric act of allowing a perfectly healthy full-term baby to partially emerge from her mother’s womb so that a scissors can be inserted into the base of her skull to allow a suction tube to be inserted to suck out the content of her cranium. That is the person the Archbishop sat down for dinner with and pretended as if none of this was fact. This is also the Archbishop who as Grand Marshall of the St. P’s Day Parade gives a tacit endorsement to active homosexual lifestyles and thereby fails in his sacred duty of protecting his flock against the death of the soul that comes with grave sin.
      Since few will get a chance to personally admonish the Archbishop to his face, this forum that calls itself a “Voice for the Faithful Catholic Laity” is a site where the archbishop can come and get a ‘sensus fidelium’. Just because someone is a bishop does NOT mean that they are shielded from error and sin and leading their flock astray. If the faithful believe that this is happening, to say nothing would be to compound the grave error.
      If you have concern for the archbishop, you might contact his office and residence on Madison Avenue and ask that he spend some time here to read what the faithful think of his leadership. It will not be the first time not the last that a bishop was in grave error.

      • jay

        I’m agreeing with you for the most part. I think Dolan’s actions are despicable. That being said, where do you draw the line with how we carry our words? I could be totally off, by the way. These are just some thoughts. I just find it interesting how we pray for our Church leaders at Mass EVERY Sunday but then some on here turn around and call Dolan, and Pope Francis “heretics,” etc. When does taming the tongue come into play?

        • ForChristAlone

          I agree we (including moi) need at times to temper our language, which is not to say hold back our criticism. But remember, too, that because a bishop is or has been wayward (or as some have described them – heretical) does NOT mean we should stop praying for them either at Mass or at other times. In fact, we should pray for them even more because of the higher accountability that accrues to their office.

          • jay

            I agree. The best thing we can do is pray.

        • Minnesota Mary

          How about these words from God for taming the tongue in regard to the priests?

          “It is the duty of priests to teach the true knowledge of God. People should go to them to learn my will, because they are the messengers of the Lord Almighty.

          But now you priests have turned away from the right path. Your teaching has led many to do wrong. You have broken the covenant I made with you. So I, in turn, will make the people of Israel despise you because you do not obey my will, and when you teach my people, you do not treat everyone alike.” Malachi 1:7-9

  • TommyD6of11

    Perhaps we could send a strong message to the church if a hundred or so like minded faithful attended mass at St. Pat’s on the big day and all put 30 pieces (nickels) of silver into the basket. The sound would be marvelous.

  • John Albertson

    There is no perfect way to choose a bishop (the first apostles cast dice and that is at least as good as other methods.) But the People of God are not stupid. If they voted for their bishops, Dolan would never have become archbishop of New York. And if the People of God could dismiss a bishop, he’d have been gone long before now.

  • netandyawho

    What Dolan has done is nothing new for most American Roman Catholic Church leaders of the past and present.
    I can’t find any history in the American Roman Catholic Church to see that they took an official stand against slavery.
    There is no evidence that the majority of bishops have done any lobbying to
    reverse the active anti-life slippery slope we have been on since 1960.
    But, they do lobby for funding programs that are designed to make it
    advantageous for the poor to remain on the public dole indefinitely.
    They apparently have not read or understood the teachings in St. Paul’s
    letter: 2 Thessalonians, chapter 3; verses 6 – 10.

    Matter of fact the majority have done nothing more than vote to
    offer as a group the weakest USCCB pronouncements about birth control,
    abortion, umbilical step cell research, euthanasia, gay marriage and
    faithful citizenship in reference to voting. If they are serious about
    these issues they would instruct the priests and deacons of their
    dioceses to give explicit guidance on these topics to their parishioners
    in Sunday sermons instead of restating the Sunday readings with no
    guidance as to what our Lord is trying to teach us in leading our daily
    lives.
    They have placed Caesar’s coin above God. They need to free
    the American Roman Catholic Church of the yoke of the Government’s tax exemption
    and stand tall in witness to the teachings of Jesus. Remember, Jesus
    was not afraid to clearly speak the truth. It’s apparent the reason they are
    afraid to speak the truth is because they are men of little faith?

    • ForChristAlone

      well said…keep ’em coming

    • ForChristAlone

      well said…keep ’em coming

  • John_Charles

    + Wednesday, September 10
    Dear Cd. Dolan:
    As you leave, please turn the Light ON!
    Sincerely,
    John Charles

  • Paddy

    Next, Dolan will ban the Little Sisters of the Poor from the parade.

  • flourgiggy

    As far as I’m concerned, this says it all. Make no mistake — it’s all about the money. But, then, it was all about the money with Judas too, wasn’t it?

    ​This makes me particularly mad because I have a daughter who works for one of the companies involved in this brouhaha. Last March, she was the only one in her company to stand up for the right of the parade to march without banners, disregarding any personal risk for her job, etc. It’s pretty sad when a Catholic Cardinal ​doesn’t have as much guts as a young woman lay person.

    For shame, Cardinal Dolan.

  • Good article.

    One point if I may, concerning this: “This year, in a vexing display of political naiveté, the parade will actually be led by New York archbishop Timothy Cardinal Dolan, recent former president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.”

    Cardinal Dolan said, on camera, “Good for him. I would have no sense of judgment on him. God bless ya.” about Michael Sam’s public announcement of his full embrace of one of the sins that cry to heaven for vengeance — the same one that is at issue here.

    That’s not naiveté. I don’t care to name it out of respect for the office, but it is not naiveté.

  • I_M_Forman

    This “Happy Warrior” persona that the Cardinal wears while caving in just presents plenty of opportunities to use his likeness in these situations to posts those pictures in Gay Studies books and magazine articles that will be referred to by kids as schools push “Gay Pride Themes” in schools. Don’t be surprised since you heard it here

  • Cestius

    Always the way that some including church leaders will be tempted to seek the approval of men and “secular” society rather than uphold the teachings of the Church. “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets”

  • Chester Mealer

    I think it is encouraging to see how many catholics here have been given such grace by God that they know exactly what the archbishop’s motivation and thinking is. Surely the church will be well served by these who actually are qualified to judge actions.

    Perhaps he chose to see his selection as grand marshall as a sign that the parade, though it might have compromised desperately wants to remember its roots and he chose to honor that. Perhaps he sees this as the gesture that allows him to say “like Jesus, I love you, but we have some serious things that need to be talked about.” There are many possible reasons for his actions, but unlike some, I have not been given the grace to know why he made the choice he did.

    • pescher

      Your cautionary comment re. the cardinal’s motivation has done we who comment a great service. I wonder however, if it would be more productive to look at why specific groups either want to parade their banners -against parade policy- while others withdraw their support even though it would loose them a huge P.R. opportunity? As you’ve noted, determining motives is tricky but when the circumstantial evidence is mountainous and easily documented, then……?A proverb: “Fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”

  • mad2002mad

    Why the long faces? It’s only a parade, and the Cardinal is the Grand Marshall, that’s an honor and it raises the visibility of the Church. Too many traditionalists are caught up in the optics; as a result you come off looking like bigoted, narrow-minded haters. Which I don’t believe your are; however, perception is everything. Allow the Cardinal to enjoy the honor and realize just about everything in the USA is becoming secularized and commercialized. Also disagree there is any confusion; as an American Catholic, I’m not confused about how I see the Church. In addition, the Church is certainly big enough tp accommodate everyone. It’s time to stop worrying if the person next to you is as “holy” as you are and adheres to every little rule and regulation of the Church. It’s about faith and believing, not about cracking your egg on the pointy top or rounded bottom.

  • pdxcatholic

    Thank you, Mr. Hennessey, for expressing what I am sure is a lament shared by many of us left “holding the bag.”

  • portcatholic

    Would this have happened if Benedict XVI was still pope? Gotta wonder.

  • pescher

    When I converted to Catholicism in 1963 there were mny forces working on me then, not the least of which was the old (beautifully moving) liturgy, the deep moral stances and profound theology. Many of my relatives, friends and colleagues criticized (actually teased) me unmercifully by claiming that I had better learn to be a bingo caller-in those days the numbers were plucked from a drum- because that was a source of funds for many Catholic groups. There was almost no negative comments re. Church dogma. As they say, “We’ve come a long way, Baby!”. To-day this would mean downward not upward.

  • iloveaha

    My husband said of how the church and world are going,” If this is the sinking of the Titanic, lets hope that we are in the lifeboats looking for survivors.” On that note a priest told me to trust that God knew what He was doing when He permitted all these things to happen and my job is to pray and to trust and not to be a backseat driver questioning what the Father’s plan is for the world.

  • I say that the AOH in New York disband the parade and not allow Cardinal Dolan to be its Grand Marshall. I believe that this is a blasphemy on the memory of the patron saint of Ireland.

  • JH

    Well you end up losing when your trying to maintain looney ville

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