Building a Civilization of Truth and Love

Editor’s note: The following address by Archbishop Cordileone titled “Building a Civilization of Truth and Love” was delivered at the March for Marriage on June 19, 2014 in Washington D.C.

In our Catholic faith tradition, young people around the age of junior high school or high school receive the sacrament of Confirmation, normally administered by the bishop.  At a Confirmation ceremony I celebrated recently in a large, Hispanic parish, two of the young people shared some reflections on what their Confirmation meant to them.  They said that their Confirmation gave them the grace to go forth and “build a civilization of truth and love.”  I could not have said it better myself!  And that, my friends, is why we are here.  Both are necessary, both, together, if we wish to have a flourishing society: truth and love.

This is the legacy we have received from our ancestors in faith.  To my fellow believers in Jesus Christ I would call our attention to those first generations of Christians in the city of Rome, who were so often scapegoated by the powerful pagan Roman government.  But when a plague would strike the city and the well-to-do fled to the hills for safety until the plague subsided, it was the Christians who stayed behind to care for the sick, at great risk to their own health and very lives.  And not just the Christian sick: all the sick, regardless of religion, of how they lived their lives, or even what they thought of the Christians themselves.  The historian Eusebius noted about the Christians of his time, “All day long some of them tended to the dying and to their burial, countless numbers with no one to care for them.  Others gathered together from all parts of the city a multitude of those withered from famine and distributed bread to them all.”  Likewise, the Emperor Julian complained to one of his pagan priests, “[They] support not only their poor, but ours as well.”

It is this kind of love and compassion in the service of truth, especially the truth of the human person, that has marked the lives of the holy ones of our own faith tradition and others as well: hospitals, orphanages, schools, outreach to the poor and destitute—giving without concern for getting anything in return, seeing in each human being, especially in the poor and destitute, a priceless child beloved by God, whom God calls to turn away from sin and toward Him, so that they might be saved.  In 1839 Jeanne Jugan met one such priceless child of God, a blind old crippled woman whom nobody cared for.  That night, Jeanne carried the woman home to her apartment, and put her to sleep in her own bed.  From this profound encounter was born the Little Sisters of the Poor, who even today are loving, caring for and providing homes for thousands of elderly who deserve dignity as well as care.  These are the very nuns who now face the possibility of being shut out of spreading the love of Jesus to the needy because of their refusal to comply with a healthcare mandate that violates their moral convictions, convictions which stand on the truth of basic human dignity.

Let us, then, take our cue from the best our predecessors in faith have inspired, and not humanity’s frequent failings and sins.  Like them, we now in our own time need to proclaim and live the truth with charity and compassion as it applies to us today: the truth of a united family based on the union of the children’s father and mother in marriage as the foundational good of society.  Every child comes from a man and a woman, and has a right, a natural human right, to know and be known by, to love and be loved by, their own mother and father.  This is the great public good that marriage is oriented towards and protects.  The question is then: does society need an institution that unites children to the mothers and fathers who bring them into the world, or doesn’t it?  If it does, that institution is marriage—nothing else provides this basic good to children.

Yes, this is a foundational truth, and one to which we must witness by lives lived in conformity to it, and which we must proclaim with love.  Love for those millions of loving single mothers and fathers who struggle to pick up the pieces of their lives and succeed in creating loving homes for their children—they need and deserve our love, affirmation and support.  Love for the husband struggling with fidelity, for the woman who feels abandoned and pressured into abortion, for the teenager struggling to believe in the heroic vision of love that makes sense of chastity, for the single person who cannot find a mate, for the childless couple trying to cope with infertility, for the wife who finds herself nursing a sick husband in her marriage bed, for the young person trying to navigate through sexual identity issues and may feel alienated from the Church because of it, maybe even because of the sort of treatment received from those who profess to be believers.  To all of you, I say: know that you are a child of God, that you are called to heroic love and that with God’s help you can do it, that we love you and want to support you in living your God-given call.

And let us not forget: we must also proclaim this truth especially with love for those who disagree with us on this issue, and most of all, for those who are hostile toward us.  We must be careful, though, not to paint our opponents on this issue with broad strokes.  There is a tendency in our culture to do this to groups of people the powerful don’t know and think they don’t like.  We must not do that.  We must recognize that there are people on the other side of this debate who are of good will and are sincerely trying to promote what they think is right and fair.  It is misdirected good will.  But even those from whom we suffer retribution—and I know some of you have suffered in very serious ways because of your stand for marriage—still, we must love them.  That is what our ancestors in faith did, and we must, too.  Yes, it is easy to become resentful when you are relentlessly and unfairly painted as a bigot and are punished for publicly standing by the basic truth of marriage as a foundational societal good; it is tempting to respond in kind.  Don’t.  For those of us who are Catholic, we just heard our Master command us in the gospel proclaimed at Mass the day before yesterday: “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Mt 5:44).  We must not allow the angry rhetoric to co-opt us into a culture of hate.

Yes, we must show love toward all of these and more.  Love is the answer.  But love in the truth.  The truth is that every child comes from a mother and a father, and to deliberately deprive a child of knowing and being loved by his or her mother and father is an outright injustice.  That is our very nature, and no law can change it.  Those with temporal power over us might choose to change the definition of marriage in the law even against all that we have accomplished through very generous participation in the democratic process, but our nature does not change.  If the law does not correspond to our nature, such that there is a conflict between the law and nature, guess which will prevail?  And people will figure it out.

We can take heart from what we see happening now in the pro-life movement.  Back in the early 1970’s, just before the Court issued its infamous Roe vs. Wade ruling, public support for abortion was growing rapidly.  And as with marriage redefinition today, a generation gap opened up in the polls, leading many to predict that opposition to abortion would literally die off.  That was the future; before long, it would not even be an issue.  Instead, something unexpected happened.  A relatively small band of faithful believers held the line on the sanctity of human life in the womb, and today, two generations later, the pro-life movement is flourishing like never before.  We now have the most pro-life generation of young adults since the infamous Roe decision.  People have figured out that it is a human life that is within the mother’s womb, and that abortion, yes, really does harm women; they’ve figured out that it’s good to cherish that human life and surround the mother with love and support so a truly happy choice can be made, the choice for life.

People, too, will figure out that a child comes from a father and a mother, and it’s good for the child to be connected to his or her father and mother.  These truths may seem obvious to us, but they aren’t to everyone while in the heat of controversy.  They will figure out this truth about marriage, though, because it, too, is in our nature, and it is a key to individual and societal flourishing.  All we have to do is look around and see that our society is broken and hurting in so many ways; there is so much work to do to fix it and bring healing.  Yes, it is very complex, and many different things need to be done: we need to fix our economy; we especially need to pay a living wage to working class families; we need to fix our broken immigration system; we need to improve our schools, especially those that are failing children from poorer families.  Yes, we need to do all this and more.  But none of these solutions will have a lasting effect if we do not rebuild a marriage culture, a culture which recognizes and supports the good of intact families, built on the marriage between a man and a woman committed to loving faithfulness to each other and to their children.  No justice, no peace, no end to poverty, without a strong culture of marriage and the family.  This noble cause is a call to love we cannot abandon, that we will not give up on, and that in the end we know will triumph.

So take heart: the truth spoken in love has a power over the human heart.  We are here today to March for Marriage, to pick up the torch, and pass on to a new generation the truth about marriage, not just the abstract truth, but the lived reality that makes a difference in children’s lives.  So, my friends, we must not give up: the truth will not go away, and we will not go away.  Let us take heart from the legacy we have received, let us place our trust in God, and let us go forth to build a civilization of truth and love.

 (Photo credit: RNS / Heather Adams)

Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone

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Most Reverend Salvatore Cordileone is Archbishop of San Francisco. Before his appointment in 2012, he served as Bishop of Oakland. From 2002 to 2009, he served as Auxiliary Bishop of the Diocese of San Diego. Archbishop Cordileone chairs the Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage at the USCCB. He was ordained a priest in 1982 and holds a doctorate in canon law from the Gregorian University.

  • Fred

    God bless you Father Cordileone, I admire your courage to speak the truth, with love.

  • RufusChoate

    Why is arguing against an irrational, silly and obvious counterfeit such a difficult task for most people in this society?
    The corrupting influence of Sin.

  • RufusChoate

    On a tangential note… “we need to fix our broken immigration system” is an interesting view to apply to the wide spread criminal disregard to the rule of Law. When a horrible murder is committed… Does any one sanely argue for the “need to fix our broken Homicide Laws” or do we talk about increasing penalties, punishment or police resources while the Left argues for the removal of all the means of mass murder or defense?

    Not a very compelling observation. Either America is a legal fiction pretending to be a sovereign nation or Mexico and South America are. There is no other view point.

    • DE-173

      It’s also euphemistic code for amnesty.

      The immigration “system” isn’t broken, it’s ignored and uninforced and there’s a good many who, at tax time remind citizens to render to Caeser, but seem to impose no duty to lawful authority on aliens who violate our sovereignty with impunity.

      When I see Bishops lecturing Mexico on the treatment that nation affords those who violate its Southern borders, then I’ll believe this is a matter of faith and not Episcopal politicking that does little other than debase Episcopal authority.

      • Guest

        A very good and interesting point. Have the Bishops ever spoken about the corruption in Mexico and the grave evil that is?

        • DE-173

          No, the Mexican government hasn’t been historically to accommodating of the existence of Priests, let alone their thoughts on government.

          • Guest

            I was referring to the American bishops though.

  • BillinJax

    This whole issue needs to be viewed from the broad picture
    of what we are and how we came to be. If you are unsure or lack truth of our
    origin and purpose you have little chance of understanding our nature and
    ultimate destiny. This is why we continue to believe any civilized society must
    ask itself these questions.

    Do we ever want to get to the point where all men may
    consider behaving as human gentle men, spouse protectors, family providers and
    not a domesticated form of reproductive animal?

    Do we ever want to see an end to women being treated by men
    as if society had given them a license to use women simply as a depository for
    their male sexual passions?

    Do we ever want all women to someday have enough self pride
    and dignity to understand and admit their bodies were designed to be the very sanctuaries
    of human society and their wombs are and always have been the wellsprings of
    mankind?

    Do we ever want both men and women to understand that within
    this concept and the knowledge they are pro-creators that children are more
    than simply a product of physical activity between lovers?

    Do we ever someday want all children to grow up to realize
    and understand they were begotten out of more than blind passion?

    If and whenever we have answered “yes” to these questions we
    will have begun to know and appreciate the true meaning of human love and life
    and when it begins.

  • I have no problem with the teachings of the Catholic Church in this regard. Nor, for that matter, do I take issue with Scientology’s Xenu fetish or Hindu’s sacred cows. However, Cordileone is a political activist who seeks to impose Catholic doctrine on everyone else. That arrogance is intolerable in our secular society. Imagine an Hassidic rebbe trying to make the sale and consumption of pork and shellfish illegal.

    While he is at it, Cordileone is supposed to be the Church’s point man on same-sex marriage. Surely he can point to Massachusetts after ten years of marriage equality and enumerate the consequences. They never seem to do that.

    • asmondius

      ‘Surely he can point to Massachusetts after ten years of marriage equality and enumerate the consequences.’ Certainly none positive.

      • Really? Creating a marital estate is not positive? Moreover, the children of those couples now have married parents. That is a huge positive.

        • Guest

          Those poor children do not have married parents. They have two men acting like a mom and dad. Absurd.

          • Their marriage does not require your approval. Those “poor” children seem to do just fine according to all of the published and peer reviewed research. Spare me the PC motivated and small sample size nonsense. Both are untrue.

            In having married parents they are the beneficiaries of the marital estate (which is the REAL purpose of marriage). Should the union dissolve or should one spouse die, the children are cared for.

            But we are getting off track. How has marriage equality in Massachusetts affected anyone other than those thus wed? After more than a decade, what are the consequences?

            • Objectivetruth

              In reality, a small percentage of homosexuals have taken advantage of the Massachusetts law and actually “married.” In fact, that’s the case everywhere. Gays wanted marriage so badly, but few actually do get “married.” Why is that?

              • If that is true (compared to the general population), many factors could explain it. Do you have verifiable numbers? It’s irrelevant to the issue. In Spain, about 2% of all marriages are same-sex – which seems to make sense.

                • Objectivetruth

                  According to pewresearch.org, in the states that allow gay marriage, there were 71,165 “marriages” out of approximately 600,000 gay couples. That’s a rate of just under 12%. Is it because gay relationships are primarily built upon mutual masterbation (sodomy, for example), and because of that the door must be left open for promiscuity if one desires another relationship?

                  • You haven’t provided a link to their research.

                    • Objectivetruth

                      I provided you the website. And you haven’t answered my question why so few gays given the legal right actually choose to get married.

            • Guest

              Marriage requires truth. It requires it conform to reality not to absurdity. So, no there is no “marriage” when two males pretend to be a mother and father. Any uncorrupted six year old can grasp this basic concept.

              Faux marriage is not need to care for kids. The kids should not be in such a perverse relationship in the first place. So, fabricating a legal fiction to address a situation that should not exist is not alright.

              How has fake marriage affected anybody? I already told you. It harm children. It mocks real marriage. It teaches people vice is good. It harms and to fail to see that is due to corruption.

            • DE-173

              “Their marriage does not require your approval.”

              No just the approval fascist in a black robe.
              They’d be on firmer ground issuing a ruling that I was a major league outfielder, despite the fact I can’t hit, can’t catch and don’t run like the wind.

            • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

              I wouldn’t expect an advocate of the instant-gratification homosexual culture to know this, but it takes more than a decade to raise a child, and more than one generation to realize the full fruits of depravity. But the lessons of history are clear in this regard. Brazen, open, shameless displays of homosexuality only occur during the last, dying gasp of any civilization. That’s where we are at the moment.

              • Guest

                Amen. The next step is the anti Christ.

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                Proof? Evidence?

                Didn’t think so.

                • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

                  As “proof” I could recommend a liberal education, with a strong study in history and philosophy. But it would appear you lack the concentration for such rigors.

        • msmischief

          Those couples have no children. At most, one of them has a child, the other one feigns to be a parent, and a real parent has accepted a bribe to feign not being a parent.

        • ForChristAlone

          It is impossible for two men to marry no matter what the State says. It would be tantamount to the State voiding laws of gravity.

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            Gravity is a natural law. Marriage is a word with multiple meanings whose definition has changed many many times. Marriage is easily redefined.

            • ForChristAlone

              You cannot redefine anatomy. No matter how much you have tried, O’Brien, your penis does not belong inside another man’s anus. Babies, meant for marriage, don’t come about this way

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                Marriage isn’t defined by babies. Marriage us defined by live and commitment. I though you guys LIKED those sorts of things?

                • ForChristAlone

                  “Marriage isn’t defined by babies” Now, we’ve gotten to the root of your problem – you just do not understand marriage’s purpose. Go find a convenient receptacle for your organ of reproduction and then come back and give us a full report about your fulfillment as a human person.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    You don’t understand biology at all, do you?

                    So childless couples aren’t married? So infertile couples aren’t married? So the 84% of married couples who do oral or anal sex aren’t married?

                    • Guest

                      Why do you compare unequal things and then draw erroneous conclusions? Are you daft? Normal people married who do not have children are not the same as two men sodomizing each other. How can you compare such things?

                      Is a man who has “sex” with a couch the same as an infertile couple?

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      Depends. How do you define sex?

                    • Guest

                      I define it as it is and must be defined. It is not plastic like your false definitions of marriage.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      You can’t even define sex? Oh, dear.

                    • Guest

                      You need a definition for the marital act because you are so beyond reason even the obvious must be denied.

                      If you want a detailed explanation talk to a normal man or woman in private.

                    • ForChristAlone

                      You really are an idiot. A couple goes into marriage (here I mean a REAL marriage, as opposed to your ersatz version of marriage) with the full intention that their creative love act (in your parlance f***ing) will produce offspring. If it does not, it does NOT mean that their intention was nullified. They remain true to the end (meaning “goal” for those named Solange) of marriage. Stop with the oral and anal stuff, please.

                • Guest

                  Then a father can marry his son.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    Can a mother marry her son now?

                    • Guest

                      Sure, it is consistent with your perverted definition of marriage. Anything goes.

            • Guest

              Only to the addle minded.

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                Got proof?

                • Guest

                  Tons. History, biology, right reason, self evidence, pretty much any uncorrupted six year old recognizes this obvious truth.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    So you claim there’s proof, but you can’t provide any. Why should I take you seriously?

                    • Guest

                      I just gave you proof. The proof you claim to want does not exist because you do not seek true proof. You seek affirmation for distorted desires. Case closed. You lost.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      In other words, you have no proof, no evidence, no arguments; nothing but your bare assertion.

                      Looks like you’re the loser, here.

                    • Guest

                      You ask for proof. I give it. You do not like because to accept the truth means you must stop doing what you do. Case closed. Your “arguments” are vapid and immature.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      I didn’t realize how nonsensical your response was:

                      I gave you proof.
                      There is no proof.
                      The proof you want doesn’t exist because you’re not looking for proof.

                      Fallacy much?

                    • Guest

                      That is not what I said. I will not repeat myself. Just go and read my post again. Perhaps you need help with the bigger words?

                    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

                      You should, but you can’t, because your mind no longer functions reasonably. It’s called the corrosive effects of depravity.

                    • 3Jesus3

                      You all need to stop “feeding” M. Solange because he she is playing with you. I was married to someone like this person in the sense that he she always ended a discussion with a question. I see it so clearly. He she is not interested in the truth. Simply ignore him her. You can’t put wine into a corked bottle. He she is playing with you. God bless you all and stay strong in Christ and fight the good fight. We all know how this will end. Good always prevails over evil. Always. We have the TRUTH and no one can take that away from us. 🙂

    • Guest

      The truth is not sectarian doctrine. The problem is the homosexuals want to impose their ideology on children and all of society. They have no right to do such things.

      • What on earth? A sexual orientation is not an ideology. Your argument is an abstraction. Do you believe that sexual orientation is contagious or something?

        A gay person who is Catholic has two choices. One is to be celibate. The other is not to be celibate and be less observant. It’s really pretty simple.

        • Guest

          A deviant orientation, or disorientation, can definitely become an
          ideology as we see from current experience. That some sub-population
          experiences deviant desires is no reason it must be a political hammer
          to foist on society.

          It does not have to be contagious to be noxious and affect everyone else.

          • Your cut and paste is nonsensical. “Sub-population” refers to statistical sampling. Drivel.

            • Guest

              Try and follow now. A sub population is simply a fraction of a population. An identifiable group within the population.

              Why is it drivel? because you hate the truth?

        • Objectivetruth

          One is to be celibate, the less observant one risks Hell for eternity.

        • GaudeteMan

          The following is an excerpt of a documented scientific study. David please check it out.

          “A New Zealand birth cohort study, which has followed 1,007 individuals since birth, Fergusson et al, found that, at age 21, the 28 classified as gay, lesbian or bisexual were significantly more likely to have had mental health problems than the 979 classed as heterosexual. The following is an excerpt from a chart included in the report:

          GLB HETERO

          Suicidal Ideation 67.9% 29.0%
          Suicide Attempt 32.1% 7.1%
          Psychiatric disorders age 14 -21
          Major depression 71.4% 38.2%
          Generalized anxiety Disorder 28.5% 12.5%
          Conduct disorder 32.1% 11.0%
          Nicotine dependence 64.3% 26.7%
          Other substance abuse/dependence 60.7% 44.3%
          Multiple disorders 78.6% 38.2%

          In other words at age 21 the GLB (Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual) portion of the cohort has significantly more problems in every category”

          Read these 100 plus scientific studies and tell me if its a religious issue.
          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1034938/posts

        • ForChristAlone

          There is no equal choice where evil acts are involved. One must always choose the good. One is Catholic when one believes and professes ALL that the Church teaches. Cafeteria is closed.

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            Many Catholics disagree with you. You’re not the one who gets to define catholicism

            • ForChristAlone

              Check out the Catechism. Please deposit your ignorance somewhere else.

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                I’ve read the catechism several times. The confusion over hellfire is quite interesting.

                • ForChristAlone

                  You expect us to believe that you’ve read the CCC several times? You’re living in la la land.

                  • Guest

                    He/ she thinks we are all at her remedial level.

                • Guest

                  You have not read it at all. If you did your statements would not be so uninformed.

            • Guest

              You are ignorant. The truths of the faith are clearly defined. You do not get to confuse them to serve some sick end.

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                Most Catholics disagree with you. Take it up with them.

                • Guest

                  Again, the truth is not decided by numbers.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    Did I say it was? It’s not decided by your opinions, either.

                    • Guest

                      You implied it. I am not offering opinions. I am defending the objective and unchanging moral truth. You offer opinions and uninformed opinions at that.

    • Scott W.

      The consequences are obvioius: States full of people believing the insane falsehood that two men in a barren, mutual masturbation arrangement is a marriage. One might as well pass a law requiring everyone to salute and address me as Napoleon.

      • Rubbish. That is your religious opinion and not a consequence in the first place. The only people affected by marriage equality are those thus wed. Ultimately that is why “you” lost the argument and will continue to lose the argument.

        • Guest

          Many are effected especially the children who are deprived of an authentic mother and father and then are subjected to two men acting as mother and father. It is moral violence and psychological abuse.

        • Objectivetruth

          You fear Jesus Christ and His teachings found in His Church, the Catholic Church.

          Why?

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            I don’t fear Jesus Christ and his doctrines at all; but I do resent your attempts to force everyone to conform to your rigid and hurtful ideology.

            It’s that simple.

            • ForChristAlone

              Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

            • Objectivetruth

              What’s rigid and hurtful about Christ and His teachings?

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                Forcing people who live each other to forever remain isolated. It’s a place to start.

                And you demand your religious doctrine be enshrined in law.

                Nasty.

                • Guest

                  Huh?

                • Objectivetruth

                  You not only fear Christ, you hate Christ.

                • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

                  Sodomy is isolating… in narcissism, despair, and sin.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    Prove it. I take it you don’t know any gay people?

                    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

                      I take it you don’t know any older gay people? The saddest crowd you will ever meet.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      If you had grown up in a culture that hated, reviled, and feared you, and you had been a pariah all your life, rejected by friends and family, you might be a bit dissatisfied with things as well

                      But thanks for the vague, anecdotal, non-answer masquerading as a response.

                    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

                      Sure… the misery is the fault of everyone else. The fact is that homosexuals are themselves the most cruel in the treatment of older homosexuals. Most older gay men will admit as much.

                    • Guest

                      Oh the usual propaganda. In a more sane and just culture homosexuals would get the psychiatric help they need rather than wallow in relativism and deviance.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      In a more sane and just society, Catholics would get the drugs and psychiatric help they need to treat others with love and fairness.

                      See how that works?

                    • Guest

                      No, I do not see because you use relativism. See how that works? You compare unequal items and draw false conclusions. Unequals must be treated unequally. It is a matter of justice.

                    • Guest

                      What proof do you seek? Sodomy is demonic and unnatural.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      Prove it. And by the way? Heterosexual also engage in anal and oral. I think the percentage is just as high.

                    • Guest

                      Please stop with the facile statements and reasoning. What proof do you seek? Also, that some heterosexuals act in a perverse way is not evidence such actions are good or healthy.

        • Objectivetruth

          No, Scott W is absolutely correct. All a gay relationship is is one pal helping another pal masturbate. And there isn’t even an argument here to begin with. Marriage cannot be redefined anymore than you or I can argue that an elm tree is also a Ford F150 pickup truck.

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            Exactly the same can be said if a heterosexual couple. What’s your point?

            • Guest

              That would be an aberration. With “gays” it is the norm. No comparison.

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                Not for an infertile couple. You people don’t really think these things through, do you?

                • ForChristAlone

                  More lunacy…

                  • Guest

                    They cannot see the obvious.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      I see the obvious. You, blinded by irrational tradition, are missing the true glory and fullness of life. I pity you.

                    • Guest

                      There is no glory in vice. None!!!

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      What vice? Preventing people who live each from getting married? I thought you folks liked stable relationships?

                    • Guest

                      Again, two males can never be married. Grow up.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    You’re not very good at actual discussion, are you? Are you capable of actually discussing these things?

                    • ForChristAlone

                      Only with those capable of making intelligent statements. “Prove it” just doesn’t qualify.

                • Guest

                  Infertility is not the same as perverted sexual acts. No comparison. You people do not think clearly.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    I didn’t say it was. Please learn that reading is important.

                    An infertile couple cannot produce babies. So what happens when they have sex? It’s at best mutual masturbation.

                    • Guest

                      No, that is false and it reveals your ignorance of basic biology and philosophy. I do not expect much depth from you though.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      I have a medical degree; what are your qualifications in biology? And I’m well up on Aquinas, Aristotle, Tillich, Kant, Hegel, and the sublime Nietzsche.

                      I know far more than you do on this subject.

                    • Guest

                      From your posts you know nothing. You have no medical degree and you certainly do not know Catholic philosophy. Give it up. You are way over your head here.

    • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

      Co-habitating homosexuals seek to impose their “doctrine” – their narcissistic self-gratification, which they absurdly term “marriage” – on the most defenseless people in our society: children.

      • Guest

        Exactly and then the scientistic materialists think the “proof” is to be found in some “study” as if we need politically based science to show us the obvious.

        No study can prove evil is good. No study can prove two men are equal to a mom and dad. That I must type out what is so painfully obvious is absurd.

      • M. Solange O’Brien

        Really? Because two women choose to get married you are FORCED to marry a man? Wow.

        • Guest

          How can 2 women marry? It is absurd.

        • ForChristAlone

          You really are a dunce. Were you educated by State -run schools?

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            Another content free reply, I see.

            • ForChristAlone

              How can one reply with content to what are content-less ramblings from a nut job?

        • Dr. Timothy J. Williams

          Try reading my comment again, more slowly and carefully.

        • M. Solange O’Brien

          I did. Your comment makes no sense.

    • Objectivetruth

      “Cordileone is a political activist who seeks to impose Catholic doctrine on everyone else. That arrogance is intolerable in our secular society.”

      “…..and go and teach all nations what I have taught you, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

      What is it about the Truths and teachings of Jesus Christ that you so fear so much, DavidHart?

      • Do you really not understand this issue? This has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ or the Church. This is about an effort to impose those teachings on everyone else by force of law. No religion has that right in this country.

        • Objectivetruth

          That’s not what I asked you.

          i asked you why do you so fear Jesus Christ and His teachings?

          • It’s a rhetorical question. I have no fear of Jesus Christ or his teachings. None. What I do fear is the imposition of those teachings on Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. by force of law. Doing so is antithetical to our secular society and our secular body of law.

            • Objectivetruth

              It looks like you don’t have an understanding of Catholicism, but have an obsession with posting on a Catholic website.

              Explain to me how Catholic teaching is being “imposed” on Jews, Muslims, secular society?

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                And exactly what doesn’t he understand about Catholicism? I think many if us understand it all too well, which is why we have no desire to have US law enshrine catholic doctrine. We are in favor of freedom, love, and equality.

                Aren’t you?

                • Objectivetruth

                  Why have you chosen satan, over Christ?

                • Objectivetruth

                  Christ (and His Church) has taught us that marriage is only between one man and one woman. You are on this site openly mocking that teaching. You therefore mock our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I can only conclude that you hate and fear Christ and all that He teaches.

                • ForChristAlone

                  read a book sometime….start with any book and work your way up…

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    How ’bout the bible? I’ve read that a few times. Great poetry, incoherent plot.

                    • Guest

                      And that reveals much about your ideology.

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      What would that be, exactly? You’re long on insult and snark, but very short on substance. Are you capable if an actual discussion?

                    • Guest

                      I rebut your propaganda. Your snarks and ridicule beget what they deserve.

                • Guest

                  You do not know what those words mean. That much is evident.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    Which words?

                    Vague much?

                    • Guest

                      Freedom love equality

                    • M. Solange O’Brien

                      Yes. All good things, wouldn’t you agree?

                    • Guest

                      Defined correctly they reveal good. Mis-defined they are propaganda tools.

        • Guest

          No religion is doing that. That is just a propaganda argument used by gay left.

    • ForChristAlone

      BS X 1,000!

      Marriage between one man and one woman is NOT a Catholic issue. It is the natural law which promotes social stability. This is not imposing Catholic doctrine on anyone as all are under the natural law.

      If Cordileone went about telling people they should believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, that WOULD BE imposing Church teaching on others.

      This is what you get when education is under the auspices of the State. Just think what the impact of State-provided health care will be like.

      • M. Solange O’Brien

        Gee, and millions of people don’t believe in your “natural law”.

        • Guest

          Millions are corrupt. Nothing new.

        • ForChristAlone

          to their own peril they defy the natural law.

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            They say the same of you. But since you can’t prove you’re correct, it’s kinda moot.

            • ForChristAlone

              dense…

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                I agree, yore being dense. Should I use smaller words?

                • Guest

                  Use words as they are authentically defined. Stop your propaganda.

                  • M. Solange O’Brien

                    I haven’t offered any propaganda. And I’m using the normal definitions of words. Which ones are you having trouble with? I know some excellent online dictionaries.

                    • Guest

                      No, you use propaganda you call evil love and truth hate.

        • Guest

          Is truth determined by numbers?

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            No. But law usually is.

            • Guest

              Law determines truth? Nazi like.

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                Learn to read. That’s not what I said. And according to Godwin’s Law, you just lost.

                • Guest

                  Goodwin’s so called law is rubbish just like your ability to reason. Truth is a person.

    • pdxcatholic

      He is not “imposing Catholic doctrine”, per se, on “everyone else”–the truth of what makes for excellence in a human family transcends Catholic doctrine. Do you also take issue with imposing the truth that 2 + 2=4?

      • M. Solange O’Brien

        Prove marriage is one man one woman.

        • ForChristAlone

          it is pointless to explain anything to you….you just lack the ability to comprehend…unteachable…

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            In other words, you can’t prove your case.

            • Guest

              The proof is evident to those with a brain and an uncorrupted conscience.

              • M. Solange O’Brien

                In other words, you cannot prove your assertions.

                Theists never can. I hoped for better from Catholics.

                • Guest

                  I have offered proof enough. You refuse to be convinced. Period.

            • ForChristAlone

              Have your way. I’ll just conclude you are a petulant adolescent.

          • Guest

            Unteachable is exactly correct. It is like dealing with a child. To grasp knowledge one needs an open mind and a mind concerned with truth. The “gay” lobby has neither. They are deceived and want to deceive others.

        • Guest

          It is self evident. No proof is accepted by those who hate truth.

          • M. Solange O’Brien

            It is not self-evident, except to the brainwashed. You see how that works? Claims made without argument or evidence can be dismissed easily. You claim proof, but you’re incapable of offering any.

            • Guest

              It does not work that way at all. You invert reality and then claim it is correct. What you are doing is absurd and to answer absurdity it often requires more absurdity. So then, if marriage is plastic as you claim then anything goes which means marriage means nothing at all.

              A man can marry himself based on your ” logic”.

  • Bill Russell

    All well and good, and I certainly agree. I’d just observe that we easily lapse into clichés that soon loose their force. An example is “civilization of truth and love.” I think Paul VI was the first to use it in a magisterial document, but now it has semantically metastasized into a worn out expression, and one thus easily dismissed as sentimental by cynics. and fey by serious thinkers. – Another example is “dignity of the human person.” In the personalist philosophy of John Paul II it had its cogency, but then it became a catchword among third rate exponents of the “Theology of the Body.”

    • Guest

      When I read the part of “love is the answer” I thought England Dan and John Ford Coley were back at it again. 1979 will not die.

      • Bill Russell

        I find it hard to believe that a group of normal young Hispanic
        confirmands would spontaneously blurt out they want “a civilization of
        truth and love.” But if they actually did, the bold glories
        of Spanish Catholicism have been neutered into pietistic simperings of Metrosexuals.

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  • tamsin

    And to think Pelosi wanted to silence this man. #smh

    “This noble cause is a call to love we cannot abandon, that we will not give up on, and that in the end we know will triumph.”

    • DE-173

      “And to think Pelosi wanted to silence this man.”
      Wants.

    • M. Solange O’Brien

      And rightly so. The church has lost this battle.

      • Guest

        Then evil has won.

        • M. Solange O’Brien

          Wrong. Good has won.

          • ForChristAlone

            Be gone, Satan….

            • M. Solange O’Brien

              Why are you so afraid?

              • ForChristAlone

                I say it again, be gone.

          • Guest

            Do not mock our Lord.

            • M. Solange O’Brien

              Why is that mockery? And why not mock god? This is a free country; you are not entitled to be excluded from ridicule. But in this case I wasn’t mocking god.

              • Guest

                You were mocking by inverting the truth. Freedom is not license.

      • ForChristAlone

        Get off my site

        • M. Solange O’Brien

          Why? Are you incapable of conversing with people who don’t think EXACTLY like you? How dull that must be. And it’s not your site, so far as I know.

          • Objectivetruth

            You are only here to attack Jesus Christ and His Church, the Catholic Church. You are not here to be educated or discuss marriage from a Catholic perspective. You hate Jesus Christ because His Truths and teachings are an affront to your chosen adolescent, narcissistic lifestyle. Because of this you hate Christ, and all that He stands for.

            You have made your choice to follow Satan, the prince of lies. All dealings and discussions with you flow from this.

          • Objectivetruth

            One can not discuss anything with Satan and his lies, let alone one of his minions, you.

            You still have time. Repent, and believe the good news.

            Hell is real. Turn from satan and follow Christ.

          • ForChristAlone

            you heard me, get off my site….

            • M. Solange O’Brien

              Are you the site administrator? Do you own the servers? Are you so afraid of discussion that you can’t even SEE differing opinions?

              I thought better of Catholics, to be honest.

              • ForChristAlone

                I said, “Get off my site.”

  • Michelle Feldman

    Amen! And God Bless you Archbishop Cordileone for being the Good Shepherd!

  • TJ

    Great article for Catholic strategy.

  • guest

    Russian writer, Fyodor Dostoevsky warned the world:

    … That in any culture which does not acknowledge God … OR BANISHES God and moral absolutes, everything and anything then becomes acceptable, fashionable; “everything is permitted” … and, in the end, becomes inevitable … even the most heinous of crimes.

    Pope Francis was warned the world that today we are watching, not only the greatest persecution against Christians … but also the greatest of holocaust against Christians… more than at any time in previous history… and signalling the end-times.

    Why is this happening?

    Because in a society which disregards moral absolutes “The failings of human consciousness, DEPRIVED of its DIVINE DIMENSION [and its
    resulting convenient reluctance or its stunted inability to discern good from
    evil], have been a DETERMINING FACTOR in ALL THE MAJOR CRIMES of THIS CENTURY” (Alexandr Solzhenitzyn).

    Today (atheist) Richard Dawkins also espouses that “there is no such thing as ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ … just a merciless universe” … implying a JUSTIFICATION of giving oneself LICENCE to formulate any rules for living that suit the moment … or no rules at all – just as did the MONSTERS of HISTORY!

    Solzhenitsyn’s warning:

    Solzhenytzen is a former atheist (who returned to his Christian roots after witnessing the brutality of a Marxist atheist system) and is a survivor of the Soviet Gulag prisons (his punishment being for allowing his conscience get in the way of an official’s ambition).

    He asks the question: Is the western world returning to a Nazi-style Friedrich Nietzschean (= atheist) system?

    After all we see around us all that was espoused by Nietzsche (whom Hitler followed zealously): euphemisms like abortion, euthanasia, and now even mass-murder in the school classroom.

    With no moral framework; with rejection of Christian principles, society is already on the precipice of a very deep chasm.

  • guest

    The Prophet Isaiah succinctly reveals a fallen human proclivity that is exaggerated in odernity. He tells us in chapter 5:20 “Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness…”

    The inversion of morality Isaiah warns about is almost complete in the public schools.
    It’s still not too late to turn back the tide of evil.

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