Are Muslims Our Natural Allies?

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Conservative Catholics have been faring badly in the fight against militant secularism, so it’s understandable that they would be looking for allies to stand alongside them in the culture wars.

Some Catholic intellectuals seem to think that Muslims are our natural allies in this struggle because they supposedly share similar values and because, like Catholics, they are opposed to adultery, pornography, and homosexual behavior.

Catholic philosopher Peter Kreeft, for example, has championed what he calls an “ecumenical jihad” against secularism, while Catholics as diverse as Dinesh D’Souza, E. Michael Jones, and Timothy Cardinal Dolan have emphasized the common moral ground shared by Catholics and Muslims.

The most recent addition to the list is Princeton professor Robert George.  In a piece for First Things entitled “Muslims, Our Natural Allies,” he argues that Muslims are our natural confederates because most of them believe in “modesty, chastity, and piety.”

The particular occasion for the piece was the celebration of World Hijab Day on February 1 and, in fact, the article is accompanied by a short video in which an attractive, articulate and, shall we say, “with it” young woman in a hijab makes the case for wearing the hijab as an expression of freedom and modesty.  For example, “Does it bother you that I have control over what I choose to show and withhold from the world?”  (A customer alert may be in order here.  One of the reasons that the young lady is so adept at promoting the hijab is that selling hijabs is her business.  She is the founder and owner of Pearl-Daisy, an online hijab and clothing store in the UK.)

Even if they agree with him on the “allies” issue, regular readers of Professor George may be disappointed in this piece.  In contrast to his usual lucid and cogent analysis of social and constitutional issues, this piece relies largely on subjective arguments.  For example, much of the piece is taken up with praising George’s many close Muslim friends, all of whom seem to be model citizens:

I have met hundreds of religiously observant Muslims over the past several years and many are now my close friends…They are among the finest people I know … they work, as we do, to inculcate in their children the virtues of honesty, integrity, self-respect, and respect for others, hard work, courage, modesty, chastity, and self-control…. They thank God for the freedom they enjoy in the United States….

This tells us a lot about the quality of the company he keeps, but it doesn’t tell us much about the Muslim faith.  We are left, however, with the impression that only a fine belief system could produce such fine people.  But, of course, it’s not always wise to judge a belief system according to the character of those who believe in it.  Sometimes, people manage to rise above whatever belief system they embrace or have been born into.  For example, when I was growing up, one of our family friends was a member of the Communist Party U.S.A. (until he left it to join a still more radical communist organization).  Yet he was the soul of kindness and gentleness.  I doubt very much that he would ever have raised a hand against a fellow human being.  But, for all that, he devoutly believed in an ideology that was responsible for the oppression of millions.

More to the point, if personal acquaintance is going to be the measure for deciding issues, I am also acquainted with a former Muslim who is a very fine person, but who felt compelled to leave Islam because of its cruel and oppressive nature.  Her name is Nonie Darwish, and anyone who has read her book Cruel and Usual Punishment would not come away with the impression that Islamic sexual morality is similar to Christian sexual morality.

Do Catholics Share a Common Morality with Muslims?
Nevertheless, Professor George, along with Kreeft, D’Souza (now apparently an ex-Catholic), Jones, and others, holds that Catholics share a common morality with Muslims.  One example of this, says George, is that both stand opposed to the objectification and de-personalization of women that we see in advertising, entertainment and fashion.  He asks, “Is there an actress in all of Hollywood who, when appearing at one of those absurd award shows dressed in a see-through gown … can compare with the beautiful young Muslim woman in the video I posted?”  Personally, I’d vote for the Muslim woman, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?—or, in this case, the reality of Islamic beliefs and practices?  The question is not whether modest looks and dress are becoming, but whether or not the young woman’s argument is true of Muslims in general.

She makes the case that wearing the hijab is a matter of personal choice.  Sometimes, it is, of course, but there is compelling evidence that the majority of Muslim women wear the hijab because they have to.  In Iran, for instance, the wearing of the hijab in public is a legal requirement—as it is even in Aceh Province in supposedly moderate Indonesia.  Where the hijab is not legally required it is often socially mandated.  By “socially mandated,” I don’t mean that it is worn out of fear that one’s maiden aunt will cluck her tongue, but out of fear of physical harm.  For example, this from The New Yorker magazine:

More often those girls were under orders from their fathers and uncles and brothers, and even their male classmates…. Girls who did not conform were excoriated, or chased, or beaten by fanatical young men meting out Islamic justice.  Sometimes girls were gang-raped.

That’s not a description of some tribal village in the hinterlands of Afghanistan.  It’s an account of conditions in the Muslim suburbs surrounding Paris.  According to Serge Trifkovic, “Many French-born Arab girls in the ghetto resort to wearing hijab as the only protection against face-slashing and gang-rapes” (p. 69).  Is wearing the hijab a matter of personal choice?  In some places, yes.  But according to a survey conducted in 2003, 77 percent of French girls who wore the hijab said they did so because of physical threats (Global Post, March 2, 2010).

Of course, people eventually become accustomed to whatever reality they have to live with.  Under such intense social pressure, it is understandable that many Muslim girls and women will come to accept the hijab, or even the burqa, as just part of life.  It can become psychologically intolerable to constantly chafe about conditions over which one has no control and about which one must not complain.  Indeed, it is a common observation that people often feel the need to justify the situations they must endure. No doubt, many Muslim women have convinced themselves that wearing the hijab (or the burqa as the case may be) is the good and proper thing to do, but this is not quite the same as the Catholic ideal, which is that modesty and chastity are freely chosen virtues that reflect an interior disposition rather than a socially enforced requirement.

George also makes a point of contrasting Muslim modesty with Western cultural pressure to objectify and even “pornify” women.  In doing so, however, he tends to gloss over the much greater objectification of women that occurs in traditional Muslim cultures.  It may be true, as he says, that the typical American male looking at the sexy Hollywood actress will be tempted to de-personalize her so that “who she actually is as a person is utterly submerged,” but what of the women in the niqab or burqa?  The niqab has openings for the eyes only.  The burqa completely hides a woman’s features.  Isn’t that also a situation in which the personality of the woman is utterly submerged?

And it’s not just a matter of clothing.  The objectification runs much deeper than that.  Anyone who has read Nonie Darwish’s account of growing up in Egypt, or Wafa Sultan’s remembrance of her life in Syria, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s description of her childhood in Somali will realize that the objectification of women in Muslim societies is several orders of magnitude greater than it is in the U.S. or Europe.  In fact, it is written into sharia law that women are second-class citizens with second-class rights.  For example, Reliance of the Traveler, a widely consulted manual of Islamic law stipulates that women must stand behind men and boys in prayer (f 12. 32), that the testimony of a man is equal to the testimony of two women (o 24. 10), and that the indemnity to be paid for the death or injury of a woman is one-half the indemnity paid for a man (o 4. 9). Moreover, although a man can divorce his wife at will, a woman cannot divorce without her husband’s permission (n 1.1, n 3.2, n 3.3).

For more personal accounts of how this legally and/or socially sanctioned view of women works in practice, read Darwish’s account of first seeing a church wedding in an old Hollywood movie and her amazement at “the way a Christian woman was honored and elevated by her husband and society” (p. 80).  Or read Sultan’s account of how her grandfather in Syria forced her grandmother to solicit a young woman to be his new bride (p. 13). And no, it hasn’t gotten better for women since then.  In much of the Muslim world, the situation for women has worsened.

Professor George is also concerned—as we all should be—about “the sexualization of children at younger and younger ages” in our culture.  However, this sexualization of children, bad as it is, takes place in our culture largely on the level of advertising, entertainment, and grade-school sex education.  In Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, and Northern Nigeria, it manifests itself in the soul-destroying institution of child marriage.  In Iran, for example, lawmakers are trying to lower the marriageable age for girls from thirteen back to nine (where it stood during the reign of Khomeini).  Mohammad Ali Isfenani, chairman of the Iranian Parliament’s Legal Affairs Committee, called the current minimum age of thirteen “un-Islamic.”  Moreover, the Iranian Parliament recently passed a bill that would allow a man to marry his adopted daughter.  In his essay, Professor George contrasts the “upright life” esteemed by Muslims with the debased ethics of Hollywood, but in some respects, Islamic ethics more closely resemble the ethics of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski than those espoused by the Catholic Church.

Although George does acknowledge that in some Muslim cultures, “the covering of women is taken to an extreme and reflects a very real subjugation,” he does not seem to realize just how widespread this subjugation is.  His perspective is what is generally taken to be the broad, cosmopolitan view, but it seems to reflect an acquaintance with only a very narrow subset of the Muslim world.  It is highly likely, for instance, that the “religiously observant” Muslims in his circle are ignoring many of the rules they are supposed to follow as good Muslims.

Perhaps the people he knows would make good allies in the struggle for religious liberty and against secularism, but the notion that “the piety and moral convictions” of traditional Muslims “make them natural allies of social conservatives” is a stretch.  To bolster his point about social conservatism among Muslims, George points to the fact that a majority of American Muslims voted for George W. Bush in the 2000 election.  He neglects to mention, however, that according to a poll conducted by the American-Muslim Task Force, 89 percent of Muslims voted for Barack Obama, the pro-abortion candidate in 2008. Moreover, according to a 2012 poll conducted by Wenzel Strategies, not every American Muslim is a champion of religious liberty and free speech. Fifty-eight percent of the Muslim-American respondents believed that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should not be allowed under the U.S. Constitution. Forty-six percent said that Americans who criticize or parody Islam should face criminal charges, while one in eight respondents felt that such crimes merit the death penalty.

Fundamental Faith Differences Should Not Be Ignored
Muslims, our natural allies? Some Muslims may prove to be good allies to Catholics in the struggle against secular forces. But conservative Catholics ought to think twice about the “natural” part. The word implies that Islamic beliefs, ethics, and practices are closer to the Catholic ideal than they really are. Too many Catholics are looking at the surface similarities and ignoring the deep differences between the two faiths.

What sort of differences? Well, there’s the matter of Islamic supremacism—a concept which is expressed not only in Islamic scripture but also occasionally by prominent American Muslims. For example, Omar Ahmad, the co-founder of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) told a Muslim audience in California in 1998, “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

That’s the kind of statement we might expect from an ayatollah in Iran or a mufti in Arabia, and it calls into question the degree of commitment that some Muslim-American leaders have to religious liberty. Just as importantly, it ought to raise questions about which Muslim groups conservative Catholics plan to ally themselves with. CAIR has long been accepted by the media and the government as the face of moderate Muslims in America, however the evidence suggests it is anything but. According to David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry’s Muslim Mafia, CAIR operates more like a criminal underworld conspiracy than a civil rights organization. Likewise, numerous other “moderate Muslim” organizations have questionable connections. Most of the groups that purport to represent Muslim-Americans—such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, the Islamic Circle of North America, the Muslim Student Association, and so forth—are closely linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. The links were established in the landmark Holy Land Foundation Trial in 2008—the largest terrorist funding trial in U.S. history.

In short, finding the proper Muslim allies would require a lot of discernment—far more discernment than the Catholic leadership in America has thus far been able to muster. For example, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has designated representatives of three of these Muslim Brotherhood-linked groups (ISNA, ICNA, and the Fiqh Council of North America) as their main dialogue partners in their ongoing series of Catholic-Muslim dialogues. The Muslim Brotherhood, lest we forget, is the group most responsible for the recent widespread persecution of Christians in Egypt. So, before Catholics talk about Catholic-Muslim alliances, they ought to reflect on the American Church’s inability to distinguish friends from enemies. The Canadian Revenue Service recently revoked the charitable status of ISNA because of its ties to terrorism, yet the American Catholic bishops continue to meet and greet and dialogue with its members.

Catholics and Muslims have worked together toward common goals in the past, most notably at the World Population Conference in 1994. But a lot has transpired since then in the Muslim world. The Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups have considerably more influence now, and moderate Muslims have considerably less. Catholics can still work together with Muslims, but they need to think carefully about what Muslim groups they will ally themselves with and they need to find a more reliable principle to guide them than “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

Finally, just as Professor George says that Christians should reject the unjust identification of all Muslims with terrorists, they should not go to the opposite extreme of concluding that violence has nothing to do with Islam. Because some Muslims lead exemplary lives is no reason to suppose that “justice” and “moral values” have the same meaning in Islam as in Catholicism. In Evangelii Gaudium, Pope Francis cautioned against “hateful generalizations about Islam.” By the same token, Catholics should avoid making overly optimistic generalizations about Islam. Catholics are not currently in danger of taking a too vigilant attitude toward Islam; they are in danger of taking a far too relaxed attitude about it.

Editor’s note: The image above is a photo of a bombed Iraqi Christian church from 2013.

William Kilpatrick

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William Kilpatrick taught for many years at Boston College. He is the author of several books about cultural and religious issues, including Why Johnny Can’t Tell Right From Wrong; and Christianity, Islam and Atheism: The Struggle for the Soul of the West and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Jihad. His articles have appeared in numerous publications, including Catholic World Report, National Catholic Register, Aleteia, Saint Austin Review, Investor’s Business Daily, and First Things. His work is supported in part by the Shillman Foundation. For more on his work and writings, visit his website, turningpointproject.com

  • Ita Scripta Est

    So we shouldn’t like Muslims because they haven’t embraced feminism?

    • Augustus

      I am beginning to think you are a contrarian who makes outlandish statements merely to cause exasperation in people. The alternative interpretation is that you really think that a reasonable anti-feminist policy would involve approval of marriages to nine-year-old girls and the gang rape of women who refuse to wear the hijab.

      • TheAbaum

        Contrarian?

        You are a charitable man.

        • tom

          It is the “women’s vote” that put the Church’s arch-enemy, Barack Obama, inthe driver’s seat and will catapult Bill Clinton’s wife into office in 2016. They seem oblivious to the harm they’re causing, drunk with their power to destroy Western Civilization itself.

          • TheAbaum

            And the union vote, and the black woman’s vote (95%) and the professorial vote and the Catholic vote and the Jewish vote.

            “Women” are not a homogeneous monolith.

            • tom

              They’re just the largest voting block. The “men’s vote” would have put Romney in the White House. True?

              • Art Deco

                You neglect that the voting behavior of married men and married women tends to be quite similar. The large disjunction is between the unmarried (though both are more oriented toward the Party of Crime than the married nowadays.

              • patricia m.

                What an ignorance. I have loads of liberal friends, after all I live in a big city. There are tons of male liberals. Don’t be a misogynist, leave that to the Muslims.

          • tamsin

            Behind every woman voting for more government, is a man happy to let government pay for her feed, because why buy the cow when the milk is free? It wasn’t a woman who came up with the brilliant idea to abolish monogamy because marriage is slavery.

            • tom

              Just say no, and the price of milk goes up. Now that’s dignity and liberation.

              • tamsin

                Fortunately, in America “modesty and chastity are freely chosen virtues.” That was my favorite line in Mr. Kilpatrick’s article, because it highlights the core theological problem of Islam, where men and women are not thought to have free will as we understand it. I hate Miley Cyrus’ immodesty and unchastity, but I will defend to the death her right not to be popped into a bag.
                No, I have no idea where this all ends up.

                • tom

                  We do know that Islam will be around long after America’s democratic republic has been ground into dust by our “secular humanists”.

                  • patricia m.

                    We also know that Christianity will be around. It’s the only thing that matters. I don’t need to ally myself with the enemy in order to “destroy” another one. Let us be pure. No need to light a candle to the Muslim demon.

            • TheAbaum

              There’s plenty of blame on this. About twenty years ago, ABC made Catharine MacKinnon it’s person of the week.

              Her position on intimacy (that it can never be consensual because of the implied threat of force by the male) drew howls of laughter from our female lunch partners the Monday after she was profiled.

              Unfortunately, she’s taken seriously by the editors of Law Reviews and the Pharisees in black robes.

            • Art Deco

              Or, rather, she gave her favors to manifestly unsuitable sorts, takes no interest in suitable men, and is unwilling to build a domestic relationship with a man (which would have him as a husband and father and not as a pet).

              • TheAbaum

                Last I checked, there was no monopoly on original sin or concupiscience by either sex.

                Instead of having a war of the sexes, look at the people who unravelled marriage for political (the left, the feminists, et al) and pecuniary reasons (the Bar makes money with every filing, every pleading, every hearing).

                Circular firing squads don’t make much sense.

                • Art Deco

                  I’d love not having a war, Adam, but site such as this are populated with people who have never quite digested the insight that women have personal agency. Some of these people are women (generally accusatory) and some are men (generally posturing or cloying). So, its taken for granted that trashy young women knocked-up by the squeeze of the season are victims of caddish young men and no deeper or more elaborate or more qualified thought on the question need be made. If you want to see a particularly egregious case of scapegoating young men (from a school administrator, no less), here for your reading pleasure:

                  http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1192/article_detail.asp

                  And if you want to see an amusing (if non Christian and possessed with certain shortcomings) critique of this mentality, here

                  http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2011/02/23/obligation-masculinity-kay-hymowitz-and-her-clueless-brethren/

                  • Art Deco

                    Or, I should say, critique of something adjacent to this mentality.

                  • TheAbaum

                    I see Tamsin blaming males, I see you responding with a list of charges against women.

                    You both have a point and you both need to look elsewhere for blame.

                    • Art Deco

                      No, I am merely pointed out the possibilities and aspects that ‘tamsin’ neglects.

                      The higher education apparat also scapegoats young men, and in ways a good deal more sinister than I’ll wager tamsin ever imagined. See Dorothy Rabinowitz or KC Johnson on this point.

                      We could benefit from a reconstruction of manners wherein interactions between men and women are ordered to forming and maintaining salutary relationship. If it happens, I will be safely and cozily dead, of course. Until then, there is not much you can do but hope the young men and young women you bear some responsibility for manage to collar someone they can work with and who’s a keeper. There’s always a shortage of such prospects, and I wager now more than ever.

                    • tamsin

                      Hey, for the record here, I have three boys. I have a vested interest in the success of the male of the species. I’m just pointing out the dogs who are not barking in the nighttime. Men need to be able to say “no” just as women need to be able to say “no”, yes?

                      Because, a big problem with Islam is that it is predicated on the idea that men can’t say “no”. Neither women nor men are thought to have much in the way of personal, moral agency. Hence the drive to keep women in bags so that men are not tempted, because men are not thought to be able to resist temptation. I prefer the Judeo-Christian predicate of agency.

                    • TheAbaum

                      I think we’re mostly in agreement.

                      My minor disagreement is with this phrase: “is a man happy to let
                      government pay for her feed”

                      And in there, I disagree with “happy”. My experience watching friends contend with so called “family” or “domestic relations” is that in many cases, the courts beat any paternal instinct out of the men who exhibit them.

                      The typical way this works is that the woman is assigned custody by default, unless she’s a car-jacking meth addict with a rap sheet. According to the courts,the father’s primary duty is to write checks. Visitation and payment are considered different matters and the courts won’t even bother to assist the father when there’s obvious frustration of “visitation” efforts. I’m even aware of a case where the (mother’s) new boyfriend was abusing the child and the courts allowed her to retain custody.

                      Yes, teach your boys to say “no”, because the dirty secret is if they want to be fathers, they better avoid women like the ones I’m describing and that type of girl starts off being easy, but makes life hard.

          • Art Deco

            will catapult Bill Clinton’s wife into office in 2016

            That’s weirdly presumptuous. You can find examples of old and tarnished stuff being elected to that office, but they were incumbents returned (Lyndon Johnson) or cleaner than a hound’s tooth next to HRC (Richard Nixon).

          • patricia m.

            It seems to me, based on your comments, that you truly hate women. Misogynist.

      • Art Deco

        I am beginning to think you are a contrarian who makes outlandish statements merely to cause exasperation in people.

        At least he hasn’t called you ‘delusional’ yet (a propos of nothing in particular).

  • jacobhalo

    Anyone who denies that Jesus is God is our enemy. As Jesus said to the Jews, if you deny that I am He, you will die in your own sins.

    • Don

      Respectfully, I think viewing them as an “enemy” is not correct. They may not yet be our friends, but that doesn’t necessarily make them an enemy. From my perspective, every non-believer is a potential saint.

      • Stephen Dalton

        And every Muslim is a potential killer of a Christian, Don. Their creed teaches them to fight, enslave, and kill those who won’t convert to Islam. That makes them active enemies of the Christian faith.

        • tom

          Who live 7000 miles away (NYC-Cairo). the Saul Alinsky pamphleteer on the southside of Chicago or Chuck Schumer is out to destroy your belief in Christ, not General Sisi, Morsi or Mubarak.

          • Stephen Dalton

            Tom, the Koran teaches them to wage war against us because we’re not Muslims. Yes, they are lost sheep, and we must evangelize them, but as long as they believe and practice a religion that teaches them to wage war against us because we’re the ‘infidels’, we must fight them until they forsake their heathen cult. The liberals like Alinsky and Schumer made it possible for the Muslims to mass immigrate to this country in the first place, so they’re part of the problem too.

            • tom

              Our Leftists, Marxists, Maoist and registered Democrats are our immediate threat. Heretics living in the Middle Ages (to be kind to them) in mud huts aren’t. All our problems spring from Marxism.

              • TheAbaum

                They aren’t heretics living in mud huts. They have petro fortunes.

                • tom

                  Let ’em dandy up their hut, then, but don’t allow them…or communists…into OUR public square to rule us. That’s all that’s on the minds of Marxists and Muslims, alike. The immediate threat is communism as implemented incrementally by our Marxist Democrats.

                  • TheAbaum

                    but don’t allow them…or communists…into OUR public square to rule us.

                    Fine. Understand that both forces are threatening and because one seems more immediate now, doesn’t mean that it will be so in decades to come.

                    Wasn’t Hillaire Belloc warning of a coming resurgence of Islam when the Panzers were on the prowl?

                    • tom

                      Theoretically. When some one has me on the ropes, has just broken my nose, is trying to choke me, as he gouges and knees, and is stealing my wallet, the guy 7000 miles away is my last concern for some reason. A Cuomo is far more dangerous to Western Civilization than an Imam. it is interesting to watch Cardinal Dolan recoil in the presence of the governor. He looks just as perplexed as the rabbit before the snake bites and squeezes him to death.

                    • TheAbaum

                      Dearborn (and every major American city and penal facility) are the insertion points. They aren’t 7000 miles away.

                      You are going to have to learn to walk and chew gum at the same time.

                      Life is a female dog, and you don’t always get to fight seriatum.

                    • tom

                      2% of our population* doesn’t equal a Democratic coalition that can: elect a president, elect governors who refuse to defend a referendum against gay marriage, elect senators who want me to finance their kid’s abortion, or appoint judges who find gay marriage defensible under a “Right to Liberty” argument. I’ve been to Dearborn, near the Rouge, and those folks just aren’t the imminent threat our Demo-Marxists are. Sorry.

                      (* Three quarters of Muslims do vote (D), which tells us who’s aligning with whom.)

                    • TheAbaum

                      Ok, play Ostrich.

                    • Art Deco

                      Per Robert Spence, it is more like 1%.

                      They would not constitute much trouble except that the professional managerial types are wont to cosset and promote various sorts of the alienated as a wedge against the vernacular working class they despise.

                    • TheAbaum

                      OK. I’ll stipulate your percentage and revise my prior remarks: The reason 1% is significant is because of the way the ruling class uses the sacrament of taxation to balkanize people.

          • Cincinnatus1775

            True, Tom, but the rational response to that is “neither/nor,” not “either/or.” The enemy of your enemy is still your enemy.

        • Don

          Again, with due respect, I don’t think it is really that simple. I know well-educated Muslims who do not believe their faith calls them to fight, enslave or kill those who won’t convert. In my view, those persons are precisely who Jesus saw as lost sheep and whom he sought to convert rather than treat as an enemy. That being said, I fully agree that there is a very dangerous element to Islam which can be rightly viewed as an enemy – I just don’t think you can paint all Muslims with that wide a brush.

          • tom

            The problem, of course, is that the Koran tells Muslims to act rational when they are in the minority. If you deplane in Riyadh with your Bible, God help you because Allah won’t.

          • poetcomic1

            Such enlightened Muslims are what as known as apostates. It is perfectly legitimate according to the ‘holy Koran’ for other Muslims to kill them.

          • Cincinnatus1775

            “I know well-educated Muslims who do not believe their faith calls them to fight, enslave or kill those who won’t convert.”

            Yes, Don, such Muslims exist. And they are considered apostates and subject to death alongside Christians and all those who refuse the message of Muhammed.

      • uncle max

        Not a bad point, especially with Lent just around the corner, but – keep your powder dry.

        • Don

          Thanks uncle max. Your caution is spot-on!

  • voxcantor

    Islam is the enemy of Catholicism and Christianity as much as the homosexualist and radical secularists are. There can be no accommodation with political Islam by Catholics. It is a political system and its founder was a murderer, a warlord a thief, a braggart, an extorter and a paedophile-the exact opposite of Our Blessed Lord. For the Holy Father and the USCCB to continue to connive Catholics into believing that they are of the Abrahamic faith because “they profess” to be is a twisted argument. I can profess to be a canine, it does not make it so. Go ahead, join with them as “allies” against the culture. They will have more babies than us and then we will have imported here what they have done to my own ancestral homeland of Lebanon and Syria. On a one on one basis they need to come to Jesus Christ and be baptised. They need to be converted from what Belloc called,
    “the worst Christian heresy” to the truth. When our bishops preach that then they will be our allies.

    • tom

      You’re picking the wrong fight with the wrong enemy at exactly the wrong time.
      We’re stuck between Marxists…who live down the street and teach at your kids’ college and imams who live 12,000 miles away in a dusty street unchanged since the 12th century. Focus on the immediate threat, aligned with the Democratic Party.

      • TheAbaum

        The Church is universal, and needs to take a global view. Ask Christians in Nigeria or Egypt who the enemy is- for that matter try Dearbornistan Michigan.

        • tom

          Common sense suggests It’s unrealistic to fight a large enemy thousands of miles away when we have a more vicious enemy teaching Marxist thought in the local high school or promoting it as our member in Congress. Down the road, we may well decide whether to align with a Hitler to beat a Stalinist. Let’s get the anarchist strangling us to death in a court house or an assembly hall off of us, first. Let’s retake the public square. it’s ours.

          • TheAbaum

            Had Hitler not double crossed Stalin, we’d have been fighting the Red Army and the Vermacht.

            • Sid

              You appear to be rather confused here.

              National Socialism, Bolshevism, the American left, and yes, even the American right, are all, despite their differences, forms of classical modern liberalism. Islam, in any traditional normative form, clearly is not, as traditional Catholicism is not either.

              It is Islam that for all of its errors and evils is closer in resemblance to Holy Catholicism than any mainstream American political/economic orientation is.

              • TheAbaum

                Nobody is more confused than you.

                Anybody else notice how the pseudo-hyperothodox trolls NEVER use a disqus identity?

              • Arriero

                – «[…] National Socialism, Bolshevism, the American left, and yes, even the American right, are all, despite their differences, forms of classical modern liberalism.»

                True, but why? Because all of them are in a major – or lesser – way «protestantism carried to its logical».

                – «[…] It is Islam that for all of its errors and evils is closer in resemblance to Holy Catholicism than any mainstream American political/economic orientation is.»

                False. Protestant-liberalism is anti-Catholicism, while Catholicism and Islam form an oxymoron.

                Jesus said: «either you’re with me, or against me».

                http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CJm-d-D7IEM/TingAvIaApI/AAAAAAAABGA/Xb6eQ1M5dQU/s320/297-decimas-santiago-apostol.jpg

                (Apostle Santiago on a white horse, carrying the latin cross while crushing muslims below him).

                • TheAbaum

                  What do you know? Dueling Banjos.

              • Art Deco

                National Socialism, Bolshevism, the American left, and yes, even the
                American right, are all, despite their differences, forms of classical
                modern liberalism.

                I see you have a truncated sense of the absurd.

              • CRS

                Right. That is exactly why the Turks took over eastern Christendom, prompting the first of the Crusades. Keep believing they are our friends, and soon you’ll be forced to convert under penalty of death (which is how they religiously penalize apostasy).

                • Sid

                  You seem to be a bundle of confusions, sir. Let’s try to point you in the direction of the facts.

                  Nowhere did I say that Muslims are our ‘friends’. And apostasy cannot be applicable since that would apply to Muslims who convert out of Islam, and I’m not a Muslim to begin with. And their standard contemporary jurisprudence, at least with regard to Christians and Jews, is that such persons cannot be forced or compelled to convert.

              • Cincinnatus1775

                First, you’re comparing apples and bicycles. Theology and politics don’t occupy the same sphere at all. Second a simple comparison of the origins of Islam and Christianity put the lie to claims of similarity: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm

                • Sid

                  Don’t occupy the same sphere? Of course they do. You do not seem well versed on the Social Reign of Christ and our related official, traditional teachings. Perhaps you should study what Aquinas said should be done with heretics.And also read what St. Francis of Assisi said to his Islamic interlocutor as to why the Crusades were being waged.

              • TheAbaum
              • TheAbaum
            • tom

              Who cares? The enemy within is Joe Biden, the late Ted Kennedy (blessed in death by TWO cardinals!), Sebelius, Durbin, Gov. Cuomo, Chief Justice Roberts and Pelosi. They’re beating the heck out of us and were baptized, received First Holy Communion, went to Confession, were married before a priest ( perhaps only the first time) and will be given Last Rites by our flubbadub clergy. Know your enemy.

          • Cincinnatus1775

            Islam is not “thousands of miles away.” It’s right around the corner across America and inside the walls of what used to be Christian Europe. It is also beating at the gates across a large swath of Africa. Think beyond your narrow American view to the Church at large and Christianity where ever it is found. Islam is on the march across much of the world. We must be attentive to both the global and local situations.

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        I do see evidence of a most unfortunate alliance between Catholics and Islam. I have found that many young, highly-educated Catholics, particularly those who are anti-capitalist and anti-globalisation activists, have swallowed a myth, originated in Islam and Arab nationalism, in which Zionism is the incarnation of absolute evil.

        As Pierre-Andre Taguieff says, the myth “is constructed on the demonized figure of ‘Jews-Israelis-Zionists’ supported by the ‘Americans’ and in opposition to that, no less mythical, of the Palestinian Arab ‘innocent victims.’“ On one side, Taguieff continues, stands the “cosmopolitan Satan,” the unholy trinity ‘United States/Israel/The West.’ On the other side stands the “dominated and the oppressed.” Thus, it recycles old stereotypes such as the rich Jew and the dominating Jew under the “varnish of progressivism.” The Jew is once more the stand-in for capitalism, imperialism, cosmopolitanism, indeed the whole economic order. Thus, anti-Semitism is recycled for a new generation of Catholics

        For too many Catholics, clerical and lay, “Palestinians and the contemporary Muslim masses replace the proletariat in the intellectuals’ imagination” (Robert Redeker) as the pure, ideal alternative to Western capitalism.

    • crepitus

      Well put and what’s more, true.

  • don Pavao

    Natural allies? Are we in some sort of war? No,we are engaged in dialogue with our brothers and sister that like killing children and commit acts of sexual perversion.And if we continue being nice to them they will see the error of their way.

    With all due respect but muslims are simply not that nice and they would make us also look not to nice.And we can`t have that.We are the nice religion.

    • tom

      We are the nice DYING religion as our Democratic executives, legislators and judges ban us, methodically, from the public square. The recent film, Philomena, by Harvey Weinstein, a Friend of Barack, is instructive. He’s railing, falsely, against the Irish Catholic Church in 1952! Cold, baby stealing and baby selling fiends, they are! He does a lot of Catholic bashing while studiously avoiding the problems with Islam in 2014. Barack just lies to Cardinals.

  • jpct50

    I might have missed it, but what about widespread genital mutilation of women in Islamic societies? It is shocking to think that at one time in American jurisprudence, a black slave was considered 3/5 of a man. It sounds like Islamic jurisprudence ranks women lower than that!

    • tom

      If our experience is prologue, Muslims know that giving each woman one equal vote would produce the end of their religion and a turn to Marxist rule. It’s the death of us with 55,000,000 abortions causing a need for massive immigration and a welfare state to deal with the 50% illegitimacy rate. The gals love it. No Catholic should.

      • tamsin

        No, not all gals love it.

      • Michael Paterson-Seymour

        In Europe, many Muslim women, are manifesting their confidence in the Republic and proclaiming their adherence to its values.

        The president of the Muslim women’s movement Ni Putes Ni Soumises [Neither Sluts nor Door-mats] SihemHabchi, in a forceful attack on “multiculturalism” has demanded “No more justifications of our oppression in the name of the right to be different and of respect toward those men who force us to bow our heads”

        Rachida Dati, herself a Muslim and former French Minister of Justice (garde des Sceaux) told the National Assembly that “The Republic is alone capable of uniting men and women of different origins, colours and religions around the principles of tolerance, liberty, solidarity and laïcité making the Republic truly one and indivisible” Likewise, Fadela Amara, another Muslim and former Secretary of State for Urban Policies has declared that “For this generation, the crucial issues are laïcité, gender equality and gender desegregation, based upon living together in harmony throughout the world, and not only in France”

        All three are firm supporters of the principle of the Jules Ferry Laws that public education should be obligatory, free, and lay [obligatoire, gratuit et laïque] and supported the ban on the hijab in public schools. Try googoling « l’affaire du foulard » – The headscarf business

  • My problem with Muslims is the same as my problem with Protestants and atheists. Theirs is not a rational religion; it is not based on human reason, and therefore, cannot to be said to be morally coherent. On anything.

    • tom

      Unlike the West’s dying mainline Protestants and our communists(D), they do have a belief in the “natural law”. But who cares, they’re largely 10,000 miles away, living wretched lives, little changed for a 1000 years. Don’t invade them and don’t invite them over here to slice your throat.

      • Their belief in natural law, though, is at odds with the theology that sees Allah as being unintelligible and random.

        Allah might not even cause the sun to come up in the morning. How can you have natural law in a chaotic universe?

        • tom

          Like us, Muslims believe in the one God who created us. How many Democrats join in that belief these days? You’ve got to take what you can get as our secular humanists rip us a new one.

  • Stephen Dalton

    Islamic people, nations, kings, and emperors have been fighting against Christianity and the West since it came out of Arabia in the 7th century. They have committed thousands of atrocities against Christians and other faiths who refused to convert to their demonic cult. The mistake that many naïve Westerners make in judging Islam is they will say how nice the Muslims they know are. I learned long ago that your judge a religion by understanding it’s beliefs first, not how nice their followers may be. One only has to read the Koran and Islamic history to know Islam isn’t very nice to non-Muslims.

    • tom

      We have saints, they have assassins.

  • poetcomic1

    My Jewish grandmother was an uneducated peasant who never spoke an untruth to me. As for all the ‘brilliant morons’ espousing a wishful ‘common ground’ with Islam…. I can only use one of her coarsest expressions. “Don’t put sour cream on sh-t and tell me that its blintzes.”

  • TheAbaum

    In a piece for First Things
    entitled “Muslims, Our Natural Allies,” he argues that Muslims are our
    natural confederates because most of them believe in “modesty, chastity,
    and piety.”

    Thanks for reminding me why I let my subscription lapse.

    • Thanks for an idea for a blog post, since I grew up next to not-quite-Amish German Apostolic Christian Mennonites. Which I grew up thinking I had no common moral ground with (we were evil Catholics with not enough kids and a TV set) but came to find I had a good deal of moral ground with (and the family living next door, 4/5 children converted to Catholicism and the 5th is the Bishop of the GAC Church).

      • TheAbaum

        Google “Nickel Mines”. Whatever the deficiencies of their Anabaptist creed, when their children were slaughtered by a madman, they said we accept this and forgive him. The “Amish Mafia” did form a posse and conduct a Jihad.

        If we’re going to overlook differences in the search for commonality….

    • Paul Sho

      “This belief that there is some commonality with Islam is syncretic nonsense”
      .
      Consider that it is this syncretism that was promoted by Pope John Paul 2 when he kissed the Koran; and asked St. John Baptist to bless the Islamic religion. What can only be described as sycophancy goes to levels not previously plumbed, when people want to add “Great” to the appellation of a promoter of such ‘nonsense syncretism’. A couple of hundred years ago his canonization process would never have been started on those grounds alone.
      .
      Can we then blame Dinesh D’Souza. E. Michael Jones and Timothy Dolan? Perhaps in this present climate they will all be canonized for their embracing the religion described by St. John Damascene as deplorable heresy?

      • TheAbaum

        John Paul also kissed airport runways, so?

        • Paul Sho

          Can a faithful Catholic kiss a book which blasphemes the Lord Jesus and the blessed Apostles?.
          Can a Catholic-in -good-standing kiss a book (like the Koran) which denies the divine Sonship of the Lord Jesus?

          • TheAbaum

            Either it was not a sin, or it was a foregiveable sin. John Paul will be a Saint and you either believe that or YOU are not a faithful Catholic.

            • Paul Sho

              No he is not a saint. Anyone who tells Talmudic Jews they don’t have to accept the Lord Jesus as their Messiah is not a saint. (cf read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II_and_Judaism).
              .
              To accept such a fake “saint” is to blaspheme what is holy. No christian would want to do that.

              • TheAbaum

                On April 27, he will be a Saint. End of discussion.

                What’s different between you and Luther, tossing out that which he didn’t like? Nothing.

                Once again, the PHO’s are indeed faux.

                • Paul Sho

                  No he wont.
                  Not in the Book of Life of the Lord Jesus. It has already been prophesied in the Book of Revelation

                  • TheAbaum

                    Go peddle your heresy elsewhere.

                    • Paul Sho

                      We shall know who is the heretic when the Lord Jesus arrives.

                    • TheAbaum

                      We already know there are PHO’s here and you figure prominently.

  • tom

    Communism ( cloaked as “secular humanism”) is our philosophical enemy and has been since 1850. Every pope knows this, though some bishops and presidents of “Catholic” schools prefer secular humanism, themselves, as our fifth columnists.

    The heresy of Islam has little to do with America (aside from 911!) and is a minor problem in most of Europe (not previously ruled by the Turks). It’s not Muslim federal judges decreeing that abortion is a national sacrament, homosexual marriage is kosher and Obamacare is constitutional. It’s Christians and Jews who prefer Marx to the Judeo-Christian ethos.

    As Pogo said, we’ve met the enemy and it’s us. Mario Cuomo, who preached relativism at the behest of Fr. Ted Hesburgh of Notre Dame, has a divorced son living with a cook who graduated from Fordham. Governor Cuomo wants Catholics out of New York State. Another Democrat, Obama, not some jihadist, wants the Little Sisters of the Poor out of America. A lot of “Catholics” voted for these skels. So, we ourselves have created and promoted the same Leftist agenda that is destroying us. The Muslim heresy isnn’t the answer…we are.

    • TheAbaum

      Don’t you know carpenter ants are better than termites?

  • Paul_Lamontagne

    “But according to a survey conducted in 2003, 77 percent of French girls
    who wore the hijab said they did so because of physical threats”

    The fact that one happens to live in France does not mean one is “French”.

    • John200

      Good catch.

      “French girls who wore the hibab” … yeah, right!

  • John Albertson

    The view from the ivory tower of academe is not always accurate. Thus the aphorism that an intellectual is one educated beyond one’s intelligence. Einstein was not a slouch when it came to schooling, but he said, from his experience in Germany, that we should not expect intellectuals to be brave in a moral crisis. In the 1930’s, comfortable savants – such as the Cliveden Set in England – thought the Nazis would be moral allies against the Bolsheviks. For them, Mein Kampf was not to be taken seriously, the way some today dismiss the harder social prescriptions in the Qu’ran. But ask the Catholics in southern France who were stoned by a Muslim mob as they were leaving church just a few days ago. Yes, there are moderates as well as fanatics, but as a rule the fanatics take over, especially when their philosophy is based on a fanatical founder. The remarks of Cardinal Dolan during his visit to a mosque on Staten Island, about the similarities between Christianity and Islam (and his praising an ex-Catholic woman wearing a jihab) reminded one of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor visiting Berlin all smiles. – To say that Christians and Muslims are allies against Secularism because both have a god, is to be like those before WW II who thought that Christians and National Socialists could be allies because they both had a Cross, albeit the Cross of the latter was twisted.

  • uncle max

    Mention that you are a Catholic to someone and odds are about even that that person will say something about pedophile priests or the like, which is fair.

    We acknowledge it, we apologize for it and we point out the steps that we are taking to deal with the problem. This too is fair.

    Talk to a Muslim and mention 9/11, mention the worldwide cartoon riots in 2005-06, mention suicide bombings responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent people around the world, mention ritual genital mutilation – going on for centuries, mention the murder of thousands of Coptic Christians in Egypt, mention honor killings – even in THIS country.

    Wait for the apology, wait for an acknowledgment that something profoundly wrong happened and that steps are being taken to address the issue.

    • tom

      You’ve summed up their mores. Ask a Democrat ( secular humanist?) the same thing about abortion, oppression of religious groups, “illegals”, illegitimacy, our Dem-run urban ghettos, and the national debt. They have no response, either. Marxists(D) and Muslims are a lot alike in their base dishonesty..

      • My Irish Catholic grandfather would’ve knocked you on your ass for saying that. In fact to even be a Republican in the Irish Bronx would’ve been cause for getting your ass kicked. I bet your hero is the first divorced president Reagan and you really like the serial adulterer Newt Gingrich. And every day you listen to the serial adulterer drug addict Rush Limbaugh. Know what’s worse than muslims? Catholic hypocrites like yourself.

        • Augustus

          Your Irish Catholic grandfather, if he really was serious about his faith, would have rejected today’s Democratic Party for turning its back on Christian values.

          • I’m sure he would have. But he wouldn’t have embraced the depraved Republican party nor the godless libertarians masquerading as the “tea party”.

        • TheAbaum

          Right. Because the Kennedy boys and Bill Clinton are paragons of marital fidelity.

    • TheAbaum

      “say something about pedophile priests or the like, which is fair”

      As I recall, the story is that their founder took a nine year old bride when he was past 50.

      • CRS

        That isn’t story; it is history. They are currently trying to go back to that.

        • TheAbaum

          I stand corrected. Thank you.

    • cestusdei

      I did this once and was immediately told that 911 was an American operation and that no Muslims were involved. No amount of evidence made any difference. It was surreal.

      • tom

        They stick to their story. Most are anti-Semitic, too. So are half of all ethnic Jews who embrace Marxism, religiously.

  • Paul

    There’s lots of common ground between Christianity & Islam, and not least we worship the same God. Had Jesus been alive today he would not hesitate dialoguing with the Muslims as I firmly believe he would not differentiate his enemies from his friends. Moreover, he would win the Muslims over with his compassion, wisdom & intelligence.
    However, as the article says, there are unbridgeable differences between Christianity and Islam. For Islam to be wholly respected, it needs to turn its back on violence ’cause any religion that uses intimidation, coercion, threat and physical harm on fellow men and women is denying itself choice. Choice is essential to any faith, and denying this is therefore anti-God and anti-peace.

    • TheAbaum

      “For Islam to be wholly respected, it needs to turn its back on violence
      ’cause any religion that uses intimidation, coercion, threat and
      physical harm on fellow men and women is denying itself choice.”

      It already enjoys respect and deference and it’s militancy is carving out a form of cultural privilege that entails an exemption from criticism.

      “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

      The key words here “prophet” and “slander”. Obama felt quite comfortable calling the founder of Islam a “prophet”. Guess who gets to determine what constitutes “slander”. That’s right.

      A small, effete cadre of the chattering classes might take exception, but this history of the world is the history of violent conquest. They don’t refer to Islam as the pen of the prophet, but the sword. Islam is militant, imperial and supercessionist.

    • Cormac_mac_Airt

      “Jesus…. would not hesitate dialoguing with the Muslim”

      I think you are confusing Our Lord Jesus Christ with Liveshot John Forbes Kerry.

    • The_Monk

      Paul wrote, “Moreover, [Jesus] would win the Muslims over with his compassion, wisdom & intelligence.”

      Maybe we followers of Jesus should be trying to win them over. Pray for the conversion of Muslims and anti-Christian communities….

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  • wraithby

    Thanks Mr. Kilpatrick for this realistic appraisal of the possibilities of “Muslim-Catholic/Christian” dialogue. The posting on the First Things website was a study in insipidity. I’ve always considered Mr. George somewhat superior to the run of the mill hacademic-not anymore. His argument wholly consisted of presenting a gorgeous and well spoken Muslim woman as a honeypot to convince the terminally stupid that Islam is a natural ally of Catholics and socially conservative Christians. It was an embarassing effort by Robert George.

    • Art Deco

      I would recommend to you The Clash of Orthodoxies, which is a fine effort for general audiences. He has a considerable record of publication for both general audiences and academic settings. No point in writing him off because you dislike one article.

      • TheAbaum

        Art, like it or not, we judge people more for their significant failures than whatever they had done before. (We, the jury…) On the other hand, it’s not a singular exception for First Things. Just the latest episode in how First Things is circling the porcelain whirlpool.

        • Art Deco

          You’re being stupid. The man is 58 years old and has published reams of material over more than 25 years.

          The Institute which issues First Things has over 10 years failed to find anyone who could replace Fr. Neuhaus. It has gotten to be a vent pipe for donor dollars. Reno’s work is insipid even when his minions are not providing a platform for Joshua Gonnerman’s friends.

          • TheAbaum

            Art, you can’t complain about being called names when you do it.

            So let me get this straight.

            We basically agree that FT is in a bear market.

            You want to disagree that when some guy has hit 500 home runs, but whiffs on three pitches with two on and two out in a big game, people are going to yell “bum”. (right or wrong, that’s life).

            Now who is being stupid again? Watch some baseball this year. it’s good for the soul.

        • wraithby

          Father Richard John Neuhaus to Joseph Bottum to R.R. Reno…(with Midge Decter a force behind the scenes and as senior editor)….a definite pattern of devolution is at work.

          • Art Deco

            She’s not a senior editor. There are two boards associated with the Institute, and she has served on one of them. I do not know why you would hold the 86 year old Mrs. Podhoretz particularly responsible when there are twenty other people on those boards. That aside, Reno’s general mein is the academic bore, which does not describe Midge Decter at all.

            It was Fr. Neuhaus himself who insisted on promoting the odious Damon Linker over the reported objections of those boards. Supposedly, the board left with residual authority after Fr. Neuhaus’ death dismissed J. Bottum from his position for financial mismanagement. I tend to doubt the problem is the boards. There just is not much of a talent pool. The contemporaries of people like Ralph McInerney have for the most part died or are quite aged (e.g. Peter Kreeft). Deal Hudson is capable; he is also tainted (and not young). James Hitchcock is also aged and has his own projects and job responsibilities. The succeeding cohorts do not have many with the chops to do the work.

            • wraithby

              My memory harkens back to her resignation and over-reaction to Neuhaus’ “End of Democracy symposium”. Like a bad penny she re-appears on one or another FT boards. She had something valuable to contribute in opposing New Left cultural radicalism during the 60s, 70s but it’s no longer the case. Though I was never 100% on-board with Neuhaus I always discerned that the man was serving the “permanent things” and their supernatural origins. The Jody Bottums et al—not so much.

    • TheAbaum

      “presenting a gorgeous and well spoken Muslim woman as a honeypot”

      Sex sells, doesn’t it?

  • The_Monk

    In the old days, after Mass we’d have the prayers at the foot of the altar for the conversion of Russia. Maybe we should bring those prayers back, but pray for the conversion of the Islamic nation.

    When Islam first appeared on the scene, the Catholic Church declared it a heresy. Question: was that declaration ever reversed or removed?…

    • Will

      It is the Arian Heresy with a sword in our day…

  • clintoncps

    “It can become psychologically intolerable to constantly chafe about
    conditions over which one has no control and about which one must not
    complain. Indeed, it is a common observation that people often feel the
    need to justify the situations they must endure.”

    How true is the above observation! and how applicable to the one-two punch of LGBTQ and Pro-Abortion/Euthanasia political correctness and propaganda.

    Speaking of one-two punches … while it is absolutely undeniable that radical Islam is a great threat to freedom and that it is savagely killing many of our Christian brethren in various countries, I don’t think we yet understand the enormity of the danger posed by the ever-worsening moral derangement and anti-human fetishism that a godless and hyper-sexualized techno-secularism promises to visit on mankind. Being a Christian today is rather like being caught between the two clamps of a vice grip — one is radical Islam and the other is militant secularism.

    Jesus never said it would be easy. Rejoice in Him all the same!

  • patricia m.

    Are those people dhimmi? If conservatives ally themselves to Muslims, I’ll easily become a liberal.

    • Augustus

      Be careful. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

  • Koufax

    Islam is and will always be a heresy. Muslims are not our allies, not even close.

  • Will

    Islam is just another front of the enemy, as secularists & sodomites are another front. The enemy has many forces all with one goal… The destruction of THE KING’S Bride, His Church which is Israel in our day… Pray and don’t stop praying!!!

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  • CadaveraVeroInnumero

    A review of Robert R. Reilly’s new book, “The Prospects and Perils of
    Catholic-Muslim Dialogue”, would be helpful here. Is it forthcoming?

    Reilly does not quite join the perils of George, yet he attempts – with great
    wistfulness – to discover Muslim allies in a paradisaical ninth century
    which Islam somehow thwarted. Yet, was it not classical, orthodox,
    historic Islam which won that intramural war? For all time.

    We gift Islam with the notion of “progress/ development of doctrine”. It
    is spurned. That is confirmed to us by history – and often by our
    Muslim “allies”.

    Think, now, I’ll pursue the news sites to see how many Christians were slaughtered and mutilated in Nigeria last night.

  • John Albertson

    “How
    dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as
    hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The
    effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly
    systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of
    property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The
    fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
    absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay
    the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to
    be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of
    the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being
    moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.

    It has
    already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at
    every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong
    arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled,
    the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization
    of ancient Rome…”

    Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250; London).

  • Cincinnatus1775

    The argument that Catholics should consider Muslims their allies in the fight against militant secularism because we share a few similar (and formerly universal) values or that Islam’s center of gravity is “farther away” than the secular forces on our political scene is short-sighted and foolish. At its base, Islam is fundamentally opposed to Christianity — has been from the beginning, will be until the end.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/G/gabriel.html

    The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy.

  • HA

    European history already includes numerous cases of Muslims (i.e. Ottoman Turks) being invited as “natural allies” against some perceived greater local threat. This happened in Bosnia, for example, where a local duke was fighting with the Hungarians. The Turks did indeed help push back the Hungarians, but then stayed for another 400 years, and in a sense, they remain to this day. “The enemy of my enemy…” approach to geopolitics is ancient, but in the wake of recent Bosnian history, it is hard to say that the worked out well for them. But then, some people never learn.

  • Hugh Beaumont

    It usually takes a lot of words to make a bad point – this article proves that.

    • Augustus

      But it often takes only a few words to prove that you have nothing of substance to say.

      • Hugh Beaumont

        But my statement is true; yours is false.

        • Augustus

          Thank you for proving my point.

          • Hugh Beaumont

            Give yourself a pat on the back, Chuckie.

            • Augustus

              Keep digging. You’d be lucky if you get to China.

  • jarms40

    Easy answer. No.

  • RachaelM

    We have a duty to learn about the true Muslim faith, not what’s portrayed by the media or through the appalling violent actions of some of the so-called followers. But, there is a deeper issue. We are joined with our Muslim brethren because they are the Children of Abraham, as are we Catholics through our Jewish brethren. There is much to gain from our learning about the Muslim faith, starting with the Muslim prayer-life throughout the day, similar to Jewish prayer, and the Catholic Liturgy of the Hours.

    • TheAbaum

      “There is much to gain from our learning about the Muslim faith”

      It’s actually a cult.

      • RachaelM

        Apparently those in the interfaith departments within the Catholic Church don’t agree with you.

        • TheAbaum

          Then, like you they don’t understand the definition of a cult.

    • Ford Oxaal

      I would agree. The east has preserved much that the west has abandoned, and I agree there is much benefit to learning about Islam. This is not to say one should abandon the Catholic faith, but to the contrary, one should gain a deeper understanding of history and context in order to grow in one’s Catholic faith. If we are going to speak about Islam, we need to speak from understanding. And in this case, yes, we need to understand, in particular, the Abrahamic faiths and philosophies. Another important aspect is to distinguish culture from dogma. So many misunderstandings are purely cultural.

  • Cowards.

  • durqa

    “Are Muslims Our Natural Allies?”

    No.

  • Anne Beate Feehly

    what crap,please know JESUS CHRIST is not happy with this shit. apologize or i will tell cardinal law about you!!!!

  • Marcelus

    Just how easy would you go about your daughter marrying a muslim? Water and oil. ..

  • Vinnie

    Does faith end? How far do you follow faith? How do faith and action work together here?

  • Fatima

    Islam is indeed a natural ally of the Church because Muslims very devoutly and honour the Blessed Virgin Mary. ‘Fatima’ is also the name of Mohammed’s daughter – a revered woman in Islam.

  • Fatima

    Islam is indeed a natural ally of the Church because Muslims honour the Blessed Virgin Mary. ‘Fatima’ is also the name
    of Mohammed’s daughter – a revered woman in Islam.

    This indicates that the Holy Virgin is greatly displeased with the immodest fashions of millions of evil catholic women and is pleased with Islam.

    “Woe to women wanting in modesty”
    “Many fashions will be introduced that will greatly displease the Lord.”

    ~ Blessed Jacinta Marto, Lisbon 1918, during her final illness.

    • Ford Oxaal

      I don’t know much about Islam, but I read a little about what the Quran says about Mary after reading this post. Quite interesting. But on visits to London, I found myself thinking I have more in common with an Islamic taxicab driver who has family dinners and desires his daughter to be a virgin at her marriage than a lot of lukewarm Catholics who dress their daughters for Sunday Mass as if preparing them for a life as a Las Vegas ‘entertainer’. The very powerful western media and a great portion of western culture are diametrically opposed to feminine modesty. The west has warred mightily against motherhood. It is now very difficult for a family in the west to have a traditional, full time mother.

  • Don Marco Jawsario

    Great article.

  • John Albertson

    The future of Europe with our natural ally:
    http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001

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  • thebigdog

    I think we should be careful not to let infatuation with Islam become a thin veil for anti-Semitism.

  • bonaventure

    Are MusIims really the natural allies of Catholics? Then I wonder why so many MusIims are aIIied with the pro-abortion and pro-homosexual liberal left?

    Maybe because Islam is Christianity’s natural rival, and the Muslims’ alliance with the anti-Christian political forces is just a strategy to try to destroy the remains of Christianity in the West.

  • TheAbaum

    Good catch. I thought that drivel was familiar.

  • John Uebersax

    If Islam teaches people to love God with all ones heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love others as one loves oneself, then I cannot see how it can be interpreted as anything but a natural ally of Christianity, or perhaps even a Praeparatio evangelica. To equate radical Islam with Islam itself is no different than equating Christian Fundamentalism with Christianity.

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  • rustywheeler

    /pinches self, /blinks in astonishment

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  • Arakiba

    Of course they’re your natural allies — both your religions hate women and are utterly focused on controlling them. The only difference is the name of the Bronze Age war god you worship.

  • Nabil

    This is a hatchet job, filled with misrepresentation. Many of these claims are designed to exploit your reflexive suspicion and hostility. You should know from the way the mainstream media treats Christians how that works. Not only Muslims, but no people in history have been as thoroughly bad as this article makes Muslims out to be. The idea that “Islam is the enemy” might fill you with a sense of purpose and meaning, but it is false. Islam is a monotheistic religion with a great deal in common with Christianity. To Muslims Jesus is a messenger of God, mentioned in 93 verses in the Qu’ran.

    I urge you all in the strongest terms to think seriously for yourselves about Islam, and above all to go out and meet real Muslims. And ask them about their faith. I promise you that you will be pleasantly surprised – it will be a relief no longer to believe in this imaginary evil. As Solzhenitsyn said, “the line between good and evil runs through the middle of every man’s heart.”

    • TheAbaum

      To call the Son of God a prophet, and to make Him subordinate to a mere man is blasphemy. This is the face of Islam, taking to the streets.

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