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  • Why “Invent” the Palestinians?

    by Robert R. Reilly

    This month, in Amman, Jordan, Israeli and Palestinian peace negotiators met for their first time in 15 months to try to restart the “peace process.” Meanwhile, the Palestinian group that rules in Gaza, Hamas, has repeated its declaration: “The battle for the liberation of Jerusalem is closer than ever and, God willing, we will win.” Which is it to be, peace or war?

    Perhaps this question should be considered against the background of the recent ruckus Newt Gingrich caused in December by saying, “Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. We have invented the Palestinian people, who are, in fact, Arabs and are historically part of the Arab people. . .” The entire political spectrum took umbrage.  A critique from the right came from Elliott Abrams, a former Bush deputy national security adviser, who said: “There was no Jordan or Syria or Iraq, either, so perhaps he would say they are all invented people as well, and also have no right to statehood. Whatever was true then, Palestinian nationalism has grown since 1948, and whether we like it or not, it exists.”

    This critique seems to confuse two things.  Palestine, of course, has never been a state.  In 1920, Palestine was carved out as a territory by the British, against the wishes of the Arabs living there who thought of themselves as inhabitants of Greater Syria.  When it was within their power the Arabs never thought to create Palestine as a country, nor did the Ottomans. Were it to become one, it would have to be “invented,” just as have been all other states, like Jordan, Syria or Iraq, all of which are 20th-century creations.  In this respect, Abrams is correct.

    However, states are human constructs; peoples are not.  Peoples exist according to ethnic and linguistic distinctions.  For instance, the Kurds are a distinct people, as are the Berbers.  So are the Arabs.  They were not “invented”; they simply are.  Ignore them at your peril.  Their existence, however, does not translate automatically into a right to Kurdish, Berber or Arabic statehood.  For that, other things are needed, including viability.

    Never having possessed a state, do the Palestinians nonetheless exist as a people?  Are they distinct linguistically or ethnically from the sea of Arabs in which they live?  The answer is no.  In this Gingrich is right. There is no such thing as a Palestinian people and to speak of them as such is clearly an “invention.”  The real question that needs to be asked is why have they been “invented”?  The answer to this can be suggested by an analogy that removes us from the immediate passions of the Middle East in order to see this situation more clearly.

    In the immediate aftermath of World War II, the victorious Allies moved the borders of defeated Germany westward, giving large chunks of it to Poland and Russia.  In the process, most of what had been Prussia disappeared.  The people in the easternmost portions of Germany were told simply to move. Immediately after the war, old people, women and children were forced to march westward with whatever they could carry or transport.  This forced relocation involved an estimated 10 million people, of whom some 1 million perished in the harsh conditions.  This was not the Allies’ finest hour.

    Now, let us suppose that the new post-war Germany assembled the survivors in refugee camps, denied them citizenship, even the right to marry other Germans, cultivated their grievances, reminded them constantly that their one goal must be to regain Prussia for the great German people, who would not make permanent peace with Poland or Russia until these refugees were granted a “right of return” to the Prussia which was forcibly taken from them.

    Such a policy would clearly have meant that Germany did not accept its post-World War II borders or the legitimacy of the post-war settlement.  Its purpose in keeping the refugees in camps and cultivating in them a lively sense of grievance would have been to use them as a political tool to regain lost territory.  If Germany had done this with its 10 million refugees in 1946, the number of people in those camps 60 years later would be closer to 40 million.  Generation after generation, these refugees would have been taught that their real home was located in territory within Poland or Russia. Had there been 40 million aggrieved people living in the heart of Europe in refugee camps, would Europe be reunited and free today?  The answer is clearly no.  If there had existed an imagined “right of return” for Prussians, it would have been politically impossible.  Europe is now whole and free because Germany accepted its defeat after two world wars and assimilated its refugee population.

    Why can’t Arabs do this?  Or why haven’t they?  There have been three attempts by Arab countries to wipe out Israel since its founding in 1948, the time from which Abrams dates the growth in Palestinian nationalism.  Each of these attempts has failed. And as a consequence, Arab lands have been lost to Israel.  Most Arab countries have not accepted these defeats, and insist that their losses not bear any consequences.  They demand that the situation be restored to the status quo ante — as if they had not precipitated these wars and been defeated.  In addition, the people from these lost territories have been kept in refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Gaza and the West Bank for some 60 years, not allowed citizenship in the adjoining Arab nations (with one exception), and incited with an undying sense of grievance that they have been unjustly dispossessed of their land and, therefore, have a “right of return.”  Their whole purpose as an “invented” people is as a weapon against Israel.  In other words, the wishes of the Palestinians are not now, nor have they ever been, paramount.  Had they been assimilated in the surrounding Arab countries, they would be politically useless.  Their “rights” are a veneer to keep them in refugee camps, the continuing existence of which is testimony to the Arab refusal to accept the legitimacy of any postwar order or, ultimately, the legitimacy of Israel itself (only Jordan and Egypt have diplomatically recognized its existence).

    While this may help explain why the Palestinians were “invented,” it does not elucidate the source of Arab intransigence in refusing to reach an accommodation with Israel short of the restoration of all that was lost in the repeated attempts to destroy it.  In fact, even that restoration may not be enough.  Anyone familiar with Al Manar (Palestinian) TV and the general propaganda against Israel throughout the Middle East might reasonably ask if there are any conditions under which the Arab world would allow Israel to continue to exist, other than by the strength of its own arms.  And if not, why not?  Organizations such as Hamas, quoted above, and Hezbollah repeatedly make clear that the real problem is the very existence of Israel.  But why is this a problem, and is its nature political or religious and theological?  If it is the former, a negotiated settlement may be possible.  If it is the latter, this is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  Which is it?  The answers to these questions must be sought in the heart of Islamic revelation – in the Qur’an.

    Islam says nothing about states, only peoples, and these it defines through religion.  How does Islam regard Judaism?  In Surah 5, Allah says that He established a Covenant with the Jews and gave them His revelation.  The Jews possessed the Holy Land by virtue of this Covenant.  But then the Qur’an cites the offence for which the Jews are forever cursed: “they changed my words.” The Jews changed God’s words; they changed His revelation.  One can only appreciate how great and unforgivable this offence is by grasping the orthodox Muslim understanding that the Qur’an has co-existed eternally with God, in heaven, in Arabic, exactly as it exists today. Within this understanding of the Qur’an, the enormity of the Jewish offence becomes clear as a blasphemous act of colossal pride, for which they lost their right to the Holy Land.

    Therefore, the Jewish claim to, and exercise of, sovereignty over the Holy Land and, indeed, sovereignty over some Muslims there, on the basis of Surah 5, is an incalculable offense and, for many Muslims, simply unacceptable. This is what drives the animus against Israel’s very existence. Until someone comes up with a new interpretation of Surah 5 that is widely accepted in the Muslim world, it is hard to have a great deal of hope for the sort of peace in the Middle East that we see in Europe.

    If Jewish sovereignty in Israel is incompatible with the Qur’an, the rest becomes clear.  Then one sees why, when Gaza was given the chance for self-rule, it was not used to display Palestinian capacity and desire for the rule of law and democratic constitutional government, but was turned into a weapons platform against Israel.  It is why, at the 2000 Camp David summit, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat turned down Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s offer of more than 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza, with a capital in East Jerusalem, without even bothering to make a counter offer.  By proffering a Palestinian state and substantial reparations, Israel was interested in ending the conflict.  Arafat was interested in using the conflict to end Israel.  Little has changed since then, including the recent Palestinian attempt to declare a state unilaterally.

    This situation exists, as Abrams might say, “whether we like it or not.”  But the least we can do is to see it as it is.  This would include understanding the Palestinians as the “invented” people they are and comprehending the purposes for which the invention was made.

    The views expressed by the authors and editorial staff are not necessarily the views of
    Sophia Institute, Holy Spirit College, or the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts.

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    • Michael PS

      As Spengler of Asia Times put it, “If each European war had been attended by its own post-war UNRWA [United Nations Relief and Works Agency], today’s Europe would be filled with giant camps for millions of descendants of uprooted Gallo–Romans, abandoned Vandals, defeated Burgundians, and misplaced Visigoths—not to speak of more recent refugee nations such as post–1945 Sudeten Germans (three million of whom were expelled from Czechoslovakia in 1945). Such a Europe would have remained a mosaic of warring tribes, undigested and unreconciled in their separate feeding camps. It might have assuaged consciences to help each one at each remove, but it would have led to permanent instability and violence.

      • http://www.middleeastsolutions.org Rachel

        This says it concisely:

        Palestine has never existed…as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

        Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today…No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

        From Myths of the Middle East, Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

      • http://www.middleeastsolution.org Rachel

        if anyone interested in factual truth about the legal rights of the Jewish People to the land of Israel/Palestine, please, download (Kindle option) and read this book here:

        http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Peoples-Rights-Israel-ebook/dp/B0065WZM14

        • pammie

          Yours is a propaganda film. Mine was a travelogue about Palestine in the late 19th century made by a third party to disprove your contention that there was no “Palestine”. Let the reader decide for himself which one might be more objective and closer to the truth.

          • http://www.middleeastsolution. rachel

            If you are truly interested in the truth and the fact as they are Read here to see ample documentation of factual historical truth:

            History of Israel, from 1850-present

            http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/index.html

          • http://www.middleeastsolution. rachel

            Also see how Mark Twain described Palestine in his book, The Innocent Abroad. See here:

            MARK TWAIN ON PALESTINE IN 1867

            “Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Where Sodom and Gomorrah reared their domes and towers, that solemn sea now floods the plain, in whose bitter waters no living thing exists — over whose waveless surface the blistering air hangs motionless and dead — about
            whose borders nothing grows but weeds, and scattering tufts of cane, and that treacherous fruit that promises refreshment to parching lips, but turns to ashes at the touch.”

            • pammie

              “MARK TWAIN ON PALESTINE IN 1867″

              So there really is a Palestine and Mark Twain even wrote about It back in 1867 you say?

    • pammie

      There are so many false assumptions and conclusions in this essay one hardly knows where to begin. I’ll stick to a few.

      1)”Their existence, however, does not translate automatically into a right to Kurdish, Berber or Arabic statehood.”

      Where then does Israel’s “right to exist’ politically come from as it exclusively rests on religion/ethnicity?

      2)”Are they distinct linguistically or ethnically from the sea of Arabs in which they live? The answer is no.”

      Really? So all English speakers are ethnically and linguistically the same? A Texan is a Scots is an
      Australian is a Englishman? Spanish speakers are the same in Spain as in Mexico? Cajuns are ethnically and lingusitically exactly like their Parisian brothers? They all have the same cultures because they speak the same language. Palestinian dialect and customs are/were not the same as those in Morocco, Egypt or Oman in the same way a Alabamian differs from a Brooklynite. What shocking ignorance on behalf of someone who protrays himself as competent on a subject!

      3)”Islam says nothing about states, only peoples, and these it defines through religion.”

      Unlike Israel?

      4)Therefore, the Jewish claim to, and exercise of, sovereignty over the Holy Land and, indeed, sovereignty over some Muslims there, on the basis of Surah 5, is an incalculable offense and, for many Muslims, simply unacceptable.”

      And being treated like the Palestinians (Christian and Muslim) in these incidents has NOTHING to do with it of course? People LOVE having less human rights in their own country than immigrants.

      a)http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/court-postpones-jail-term-for-arab-convicted-of-rape-by-posing-as-jew-1.305723

      b)http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/supreme-court-upholds-ban-on-palestinians-living-with-israeli-spouses-1.406812

      5)This would include understanding the Palestinians as the “invented” people they are and comprehending the purposes for which the invention was made.

      NO this would include understanding that it’s clear the invention that these people were invented makes it far easier to steal their land, steal their water, kill them. And it helps the Israelis greatly to achieve their goals when people such as Newt and neo con writers get the word out.

      • Sarto

        This is an interesting and enlightening article with its historical perspectives and the role of the Koran. But after long conversations with a colleague who is part of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, I have to agree with Pammie.

        In some future century, when they catalogue some of the major if well intended blunders of the past, the creation of the state of Israel will be one of them.

        • pammie

          I think our next adventure in social engineering should be a Sunni colony in the middle of Iran. Let’s see how that works out shall we?

          I have a distant relation who is a priest from the Latin Patriarchy. Last I heard he was an archbishop. Has his hands full I expect.

    • digdigby

      Dear Pammie,
      I’ve noticed that You REALLY have a LOT of fiery compassion for these Fakestinians. No people on earth have been given more money, more opportunities for peace, prosperity and development. No people have ever chosen the path of hate again and again and again with such resolute, near-Satanic evil. The unspeakable massacre at Hebron of 1929, its perpetrators and the reasons why the Muslim Arabs did what they did are the same ‘reasons’ that fuel today’s hate. The same.
      In 1929 Hebron, the Jews were a minority who bent over
      backwards to befriend and HELP the Arabs around them and made many valued friendships. Witnesses noted many of these ‘friends’ actively involved in the rapes, murders and mutilations. There is a continuum, day by day, year by year till now….. HATE.
      The highest levels of Israel’s secret service warned against the Bush Jr. invasion of Iraq – that it would favor Iran and create sectarian chaos. The lie that we invaded Iraq ‘for’ Israel is nonsense. As for the neo-cons, they are enemies of common-sense. Many in Israel are with Ron Paul (!) NO U.S. aid to either side and leave Israel free to defend itself against relentless attack.
      From Tibet to Darfur to Nigeria, I could name several dozen areas of the world where brutal oppression and slaughter goes unaided and little noticed while hypocrites and crypto antisemites such as you beat your drum for these heretic Despisers of Jews and Christians called ‘Palestinians’. They have a common and genocidal saying among the ‘Palestinians’ -
      First the Saturday People and then the Sunday People. You are a ‘useful idiot’ par excellent.

    • pammie

      1&2)”..goes unaided and little noticed while hypocrites and crypto antisemites such as you …”

      3)” You are a ‘useful idiot’ par excellent.

      Three personal attacks in one little comment. And yet no place for logical arguments against the points I made in my own. Typical of your side’s way of discussing this topic if you dont mind one saying so. Never-the-less let’s take a look at a few of your statements:

      1)No people on earth have been given more money, more opportunities for peace, prosperity and development.

      Are you sure about that? Israelis have received far more of US taxpayers’ monies than have the Palestinians in the last 70 years. Not to mention charitable aid from christian zionists groups, among others to add to the heap.

      2) “The unspeakable massacre at Hebron of 1929, its perpetrators and the reasons why the Muslim Arabs did what they did ..”

      Do you really want to compare atrocity and body counts? I’m rather sure the Israelis will come out on top of that one too.

      3)Many in Israel are with Ron Paul (!) NO U.S. aid to either side and leave Israel free to defend itself against relentless attack.

      Unlike you, I know that NO group of people such as the Israelis or the Jews or the Arabs or the Americans or the Baptists or the Catholics think the same, act the same, or believe in the same things. They dont all look alike or sound alike or like the same things. They are not all fanatics , zionist settlers , suicide bombers or Democrats. I know that. Why is it so hard for you to understand the same about the Palestinians or Arabs or muslims ? Are they Humanity’s Exception to this standard rule? How is it you dont see the danger in treating them all as a monolithic, robotic Entity?

      4)”They have a common and genocidal saying among the ‘Palestinians’ -First the Saturday People and then the Sunday People.”

      First off I wonder how many palestinians you have ever met? Secondly: all the above mentioned people plus the Friday people managed to live together rather successfully for a very long time under muslim rule, before the influx of European settlers who wanted to rule over all. The Ottomans had a very long time to kill every christian living under their rule and destroy all their holy places in Palestine. One wonders why that didnt happen.

      If Zionist rule is so wonderful, why is it since the founding of modern Israel there are less christians in Israel than ever before? Because the Israelis have the same trouble in their failure to recognise real differences in the two communities or granting equal rights?

      They also apparently have trouble distinguishing Church property from their own as well. See: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j4A_gsdXYZgepbnL157JLfBIgFQQ Another bit of oppression one doesnt hear much about either.

      5) Finally: “I’ve noticed that You REALLY have a LOT of fiery compassion for these Fakestinians.”

      It’s a funny thing about us humans: We allow the same luxuries in ourselves that we decry in others. Or is one to presume from your comments that you have no dog in this fight?

      • Trish

        “Typical of your side’s way of discussing this topic if you dont mind one saying so.” I do mind — this is a tool of the Left pro-Palestinian crowd. I don’t know that the Left invented it, but every discussion of Israel/Palestine with Palestinian proponents results in ad hominem attacks, in my experience, so don’t cloak yourself in such righteousness.

        “Israelis have received far more of US taxpayers’ monies than have the Palestinians in the last 70 years.” Not on point–the issue was who received more money, not US money. BTW, the money received by Israel in the past few decades is not a gift, like US funding of Palestinians; they are low interest loans for purchases of American made products–and they are repaid. Try to address the issue raised.

        Your reply to this “The unspeakable massacre at Hebron of 1929, its perpetrators and the reasons why the Muslim Arabs did what they did ..”” also misses the point completely. This massacre, along with the ones in the 1600s, 1700s and 1800s, were Muslim-on-Jew violence for no reason other than hate—it had nothing to do with Zionism or the State of Israel. The Jewish state needed to come into existence to provide refuge to and protect Jews from Muslim and European violence and hatred.

        “If Zionist rule is so wonderful, why is it since the founding of modern Israel there are less christians in Israel than ever before? ” Get your facts straight–the cities and towns losing Christians in vast numbers are those under PA administration, not Israeli. More Palestinians are moving into Jerusalem all the time, Muslim and Christian, out of fear of Palestinian independence and the repression sure to follow [see Gaza].

        “First off I wonder how many palestinians you have ever met? ” Many–both expatriates in the West and also here in Jerusalem where I study in classes full of Palestinians from East Jerusalem and some who are from Jordan and the West Bank. Palestinians are terrific people–but their leadership sucks. And in the ignorant backwaters of villages where the fundamentalist imam sets the tone, hatred of Jews is alive and well. It has nothing to do with Israel or Zionism–it has everything to do with Arab Muslim pride and their sense that the unspeakable dhimmi Jews need to be put in their place and Arab pride restored. Get that, and you’ll get the conflict.

        • Pammie

          “…don’t know that the Left invented it, but every discussion of Israel/Palestine with Palestinian proponents results in ad hominem attacks, in my experience,…”

          Please to quote one name I called Mr. Digdigby.

          “so don’t cloak yourself in such righteousness.”

          And there it is…an ad hominem attack of your very own!

          “Not on point–the issue was who received more money, not US money.”

          So YOU decide what the point was? Since there was no specificity in the original statement , my comment was as on point as yours.

          “This massacre, along with the ones in the 1600s, 1700s and 1800s, were Muslim-on-Jew violence for no reason other than hate-…”

          So there is a HUGE difference between political hate and religious ? Do you also believe in the curious notion of a “hate crime”? Dont they both have the same results? One wonders why European Zionists would pick such awful people to live amongst when they had other options.

          “Get your facts straight–the cities and towns losing Christians in vast numbers are those under PA administration, not Israeli. ”

          If my facts are not straight , then talk to Israel. See link.

          “And in the ignorant backwaters of villages where the fundamentalist imam sets the tone, hatred of Jews is alive and well. ”

          Unlike the pleasant, peace loving rabbis in the links below?:

          http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/07/18/pro-settler-rabbi-tells-idf-troops-vatican-and-hezbollah-conspire-to-exterminate-jews/

          http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/vatican-teaching-hezbollah-how-to-kill-jews-says-pamphlet-for-idf-troops-1.280219 another source of the same story

          “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail,” Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said in a eulogy. At the service in Jerusalem, attended by 300 people, one man shouted, “We are all Goldstein,” an opinion echoed across Qiryat Arba by neighbors who said variously that they approved of his attack on the Arabs or at the least could not judge him.” NY Times and sources all over the net

          See part of the problem is (IMHO) is that Israeli cheerleaders wont ever, ever admit that there is TWO sides of the story. They always want to assume a moral superiority that the facts dont bear out.

    • digdigby

      I don’t have a ‘dog’ in this fight. I am a Catholic convert from Judaism and I have about thirty gassed relatives in this fight. Anyone who facilitates Jewish Genocide Part II will here from me – as a Catholic. The I also believe that Pope Pius XII should be accounted the greatest of Righteous Among the Gentiles of WWII.

      The only country in the middle east where Christians have increased – is Israel. The dhimmified and craven so-called Christian lackeys of Islam are an entirely different story. Even the ‘Coptic Pope’ has made many openly antisemitic statements of shocking crudity. Jews and Christians will obviously have a lot of friction as do Christians and Christians and particularly Jews with Jews.

      Your pitiful ‘real estate accusations’ even if true, compared to what is happening to Christians in Pakistan and Nigeria and Iraq under Islam show where your priorities are. You are quite ‘soft’ and cuddly with Islam. The Jewish majority of Israelis are Arab refugees. Jewish refugees from Arab countries. They are not European ‘Zionists’ or ‘holocaust survivors’.
      The Koran says this is Jewish land. If these Arab Jews don’t belong in this minute slice of the Arab world and they certainly can’t go home again. Would you suggest they just die? Classic Zionism is long dead, you are beating a dead horse. This is a question of physical survival.

    • digdigby

      I forgot to mention I was a Leftist, a supporter of the PLO and in refugee camps in Lebanon in the early seventies.

    • pammie

      “The only country in the middle east where Christians have increased – is Israel.

      Simply not true: http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=250956

      “The Jewish majority of Israelis are Arab refugees. Jewish refugees from Arab countries. They are not European ‘Zionists’ or ‘holocaust survivors’

      Again, statistics tell us differently:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

      “Your pitiful ‘real estate accusations’ even if true…”

      More on that:
      http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=225194 Hardly insignificant when talking about the holiest real estate in Christendom.

      I am very sorry that you lost relations during WWII. But I cant think how perpetuating and supporting the very reasoning (my race/religion/politics is more valuable and deserving than yours is of life, civil rights, protection of property and equality under the law-the assumption of racial superiority and all that it entails) that led some people to commit such beastly murders can possibly make your relations’ deaths more bearable for you.

      “You are quite ‘soft’ and cuddly with Islam.’

      Not really. I want my country to leave them alone and where they are. I want to stop making billionares out of both Arab and Israeli corrupt elites with my tax dollars. I want my country to worry about her own impending financial meltdown rather than gearing up for yet another war with countries who have not attacked us militarily.

      But I do like to think that I would always stand up for any group of people who are roundly vilified, despised and demonised with societal and political approval. I know that some Muslims do bad things. I know some Jews do bad things. I know some Christians do bad things. To paint any one of those groups with a broad and damning brush does no good and only exacerbates bad situations further. If we learned one lesson from the nightmarish 20th century , dont you think that should be it?

    • digdigby

      Every single thing you ever say is skewed, slanted, out of focus and has nothing to do with a world where Islam is in a shooting war with the whole world, killing Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Jews, Christians, Animists and of course other Muslims who are not ‘the right kind’ while demographically invading Western Europe, imposing Sharia law and in poll after poll after poll APPROVING of these activities in numbers far in excess of German approval of Nazism in the 1930′s. The world is on fire, lady!

    • http://historyscoper.com TL Winslow @ Historyscoper

      Why did the ARAB MUSLIMS invent the Palestinian people? Simple: as a weapon to exterminate the Jewish state of Israel for ALLAH. The rest is b.s. If the Jewish people never existed, they wouldn’t have had to bother.

      Jordan and Iraq don’t have anything to do with it, but actually they do, because the Arab Muslims also invented the nation of Jordan to steal Israel’s territory, and Iraq was pasted together by the Allies after WWI to create a hostile buffer state next to Iran to keep them both in a stalemate, which unfortunately was broken by Islam ignoramus Pres. Bush.

      Only Marxists try to take the horrible ideology out of the equation and reduce it to a “national conflict”. This analysis is like a 2-legged stool, sorry. It’s only the ideology of Islam that keeps the Arab Muslims throwing themselves at poor outnumbered surrounded Israel when they have millions of sq. mi. of territory to live in without fear of Israeli attack.

      Scope Israel’s history with me free in your browser anytime in depth and see why Jews are not just a religion but a nation, and why they have a historical right to a homeland in Israel, not the Arabs, even if holy books are taken out of the equation.

    • pammie

      “The world is on fire, lady!”

      Not quite yet dear Mr. Digdigby. But unless calmer, wiser, more rational voices prevail, I am very much afraid that it soon will be.

    • digdigby

      Calmer, rational, wiser…Chamberlains. A calmer, rational ‘wiser’ Charles Martel and Europe would have been Muslim a LONG time ago.

      • pammie

        “…Chamberlains.”

        Goodness me, a politician that tried to avoid involving the world in a bloodbath. Can’t have that. Hip Hip Hooray…look out Iran here we come. It’s gonna be great!

    • jjs110

      The one thing that “pammie” conveniently omitted to mention in his extreme logorrhea is what the author had to say about the admittedly quaint concept of responsibility. Yes, the Palestinians have been in a pickle ever since they were foolish enough to let their Arab brothers attack the Jews on their behalf. Well, why don’t they place their complaints where they belong? Besides, they’re not innocent victims. Their relentless attacks, inevitably met with harsh and deserved Israeli responses, is what caused them to lose so much, and still prevents them from living in peace. But apparently their learning chip has been turned off or taken away. They keep doing the same thing and expect different results. We all know what that defines.

      • pammie

        “The one thing that “pammie” conveniently omitted to mention in his extreme logorrhea is what the author had to say about the admittedly quaint concept of responsibility”

        pammie: “There are so many false assumptions and conclusions in this essay one hardly knows where to begin. I’ll stick to A FEW.”

        “Yes, the Palestinians have been in a pickle ever since they were foolish enough to let their Arab brothers attack the Jews on their behalf.”

        The author failed to mention that the British had done their best to disarm the “nonexsistent palestinians” . In some cases it was punishable by immediate death to own weapons to defend themselves against the terrorists immigrant gangs. But then they had no right to defend themselves against aggression anyway did they, being human garbage and “nonexeistent” to boot? When these same gangs turned on the english and began to murder our people, we took our gear and went home. Responsibility?

        Maybe your right-those nonexistent people should have just lined up for the mass graves straight off instead of desperately trying to survive. What were those hideous, disgusting, filthy people thinking anyway?

        • Trish

          “The author failed to mention that the British had done their best to disarm the “nonexsistent palestinians” .

          Your kidding, right? The British disarmed the mufti’s militias, as they were anti-British, but armed the Jordan legion to the teeth — a Legion also trained by the Brits, commanded by a British officer corps, and stationed throughout all of the Mandatory territory. Cables and memos from that period show that the Brits, while working hard to disarm the Jews, hold fighting-age Jewish men in their DP camps, strong-arm the Americans into an “arms embargo” were in the meantime pushing ahead with arming the Arab forces to the teeth, and encouraging Jordan and Egypt to seize all of the Negev and anything else they could hold in the hopes of creating a “rump state” of Israel that would not be viable and would more easily be overrun.

          • Pammie

            No, not kidding . Lost a relation that way. Oh yeah and a house-boom, boom. And for good luck the English threatened to kill every male member of that family. But that’s before the Stern , Irgun etc turned on them and began blowing THEM up.

            “, strong-arm the Americans into an “arms embargo….”

            From the way things turned out it looks as though they got a few through wouldnt you think?

    • PeterL

      Look at the Palestinian ghettos in Lebanon and tell me, why they receiving funding by the same countries that fund Hamas? http://www.unrwa.org/etemplate.php?id=65

      If you look at both the Palestinian ghettos across the Arab nations and the funding of violent extremist parties in Israel/Palestine by forces like Iran it shows a clear pattern of exploitation for political gain.

      Iran as an example despises the west, seeks alliances with “undemocratic” forces like Venezuela, Cuba, Russia and China and funds violence against the USA’s main ally in the region; Israel.

      So if you look at that and then look at the cycle of violence which has been going on in Palestine/Israel since the early 1900s it’s clear that the Palestinian people are victims of their “Arab brothers”.

      • pammie

        “Look at the Palestinian ghettos in Lebanon and tell me, why they receiving funding by the same countries that fund Hamas?”

        I have. Have you? Would you prefer they starve and die quietly? Nevermind –I think I know the answer to that one. As these camps are all mostly located in countries who have a greater unemployment rate and depressed economies worse than does the US, where are they all to find jobs?

        Why dont you and the like minded offer up your homes and possesions as you expected their families to do in the past to other homeless people–jewish refugees– in their case- without protest. Why do you expect others to do what you are not willing to do? Even though they are the vermin of the earth , I bet few would neglect to tke you up on it.

    • Michael PS

      In post-war Europe, the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Agency encouraged the rapid emigration or local resettlement of displaced persons and, as a matter of policy, strove to avoid the concentration of potentially revanchist groups in any one area.

      In the Middle East, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency did exactly the opposite with the Palestinians

      • pammie

        “In the Middle East, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency did exactly the opposite with the Palestinians”

        And it is all their fault too. They all wanted to live in the ME equivalent of a FEMA trailer for generations. Because they are all subhumans to begin with. Just ask the Israelis and the majority of commenters on this essay.

        • John Zmirak

          How about this theory, Pammie: It is NOT the refugees’ fault. It is the fault of the Arab governments, who wanted to keep the Arab refugees from Palestine bottled up as a political weapon, on the order of the Cuban exiles we used in the Bay of Pigs. Should we in the West reward that cynical maneuver on the part of Arab governments–the proximate author of the suffering of said refugees? Don’t you agree that it hypocritical for countries like Yemen and Iraq that expelled every Jew to breathe a SINGLE WORD about “right of return”?

          The U.S. acquiesced in the callous, sickening expulsion of 600,000 to 800,000 Serbs from Croatia in 1996, deciding that ethnic homogeneity, even at the price of ethnic cleansing, was probably the price that region would have to pay for peace. If you read the gut-wrenching history of Eastern Europe “Bloodlands,” and compare the ethnic map of 1913 to that of 1948, you’ll see that the whole of 20th century history can be viewed as a long, ugly episode of ethnic cleansing. Democracy, perhaps even nationhood in the modern sense, is unwilling and unable to live with more than a certain level of ethnic heterogeneity.

          “Our Diversity is Our Strength” is wishful thinking, and is really accepted only by elites who can afford to live in gated communities with their kids in private schools, so they can savor the diversity of restaurants and funky clothing stores–the extent of their exposure to the joys of Diversity.

          So thanks to Original Sin, every significant minority deserves its own state–and will probably sooner or later need one, somewhere people can flee when the Cleansing comes. It seems to be the implication of fallen human nature under modern (non-dynastic) conditions.

          I think the Jews should have a safe place. So should the Arabs from Palestine. They can’t be the same place. The Jews won their homeland the same way we Americans won ours from the Indians–by right of conquest. I’m not giving New Hampshire back to the Abenakis. I don’t expect the Israelis to hand their country over to Hamas.

          • pammie

            Dr. Z I agree with a lot of your comment. The refugees have been used as a political tool some times. The poor and unconnected are usually always at the mercy of the wealthy and powerful. What can they do?

            The reason I involve myself in these pointless discussions is this: The sheer, sickmaking double standards are more than I can bear at times.

            Example: The West gave the Israelis success in founding a nation entirely upon race/ religion superiority while simultaneously rejecting that concept everywhere else in the world , especially in regards to their own citizens. My grandchildren cant have a Christmas play in school and I still get to send money to remove every trace of native Christian culture in the Holy Land in perpetuity . My fellow commenters see no incongruence in that .

            Example: European zionists combined religion/race/terrorism together in
            conquering Palestine and were generously rewarded for their efforts. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery , we now have how many fanatical muslim groups who also practice the religon/race /terrorism format? We act surprised and shocked.

            Example: Israel deports/expels Christians/ Muslims-”We know they have a good reason.” Iraq and Yemen deport/expel Jews -”It’s despicable.” The Israelis wont let them back-”Of course not-”. Iraq and Yemen wont let them back-” Despicable!”

            Example: Israel has tapped most of the palestianian water and is now looking at southern Lebanon’s. That’s perfectly reasonable because they want it and need it and they can kill everyone in Lebanon if they feel like it. The frustrated, “fanatical” muslim farmer with the dry well who shoots over the border not only gets his community destroyed but the US congress gives Israel another half billion to fight muslim terrorism. We dont know why muslims want to kill us–it HAS to be their religion.

            Example: The Irish did not have a modern state for 800 yrs or so. No one ever said they were an invented people. Could there possibly be a double standard? Or is their just more money in one than the other?

            Example: Most US Israelis supporters moan and groan about illegal aliens and yet they have always expected the People Who Never Were to suck it up and get on with things. As one english would -be -Israeli -settler once said–”Why cant they just go move somewhere else? I want to be with my own. Why cant they understand that?” Let’s hear a Mexican say that .

            Finally Dr. Z, no one knows better than I that the palestinians are “screwed, blued and tattooed”–you lived in the south for a bit so I know you ran into that expression . But we need not to be so sanctmonious and hypocritical with the “spreading democracy” etc bit. We need to acknowledge that there are two sides to every headline.

            If not we should be like the baptist who once told me in front of a little girl of my acquaintance, while watching the evening news, ” I hope the israelis kill everyone in Lebanon.” When I told him the child’s grandparents lived there he replied , “That’s their tough luck.” Honesty can be refreshing, if nothing else.

            • Trish

              “The West gave the Israelis success in founding a nation entirely upon race/ religion superiority” Totally untrue. There is nothing in the foundation of Israel that has to do with “superiority” at all…or race… True, it was a “Jewish” state but so what? Turkey is an Islamic state; Pakistan is an Islamic state; China is a Communist state; for many years the countries of Europe identified as Catholic or Lutheran or Greek Orthodox, etc….this has to do with the majority’s national character, not as you so wishfully twist it, a racial/religious superiority. Proof of that lies in the diversity of people who come to Israel as “Jews” since the point of the Return law was to provide refuge—thus Russian Christians, condemned to second class citizenship by virtue of the big red “J” in their documents due to a grandparent, can escape that persecution. Israel was founded because the Jews recognized that for their own protection, they needed to rely on themselves under their own sovereignty rather than dwell as persecuted gastarbeiters in various countries subject to the whims of a hostile majority population.

              “European zionists combined religion/race/terrorism together in
              conquering Palestine…” This is such errant nonsense I have to assume you have no background other than Palestinian propaganda sites…..first, Jews have lived here for centuries. Second, under the Ottomans, this region was part of an Empire and people came and went at will–it did not “belong” to Jews, Palestinians, Egyptians, Circassians, Lebanese, etc. since everyone was an Ottoman subject. Europeans AND Middle Eastern Jews were permitted under the Ottoman rulers to move here, to start businesses here, to buy land here, etc. And many did–some fled the Inquisition, others fled outbreaks of anti-Jewish hatred and violence throughout the world. The First and Second Aliyahs occured in the 19th century under Ottoman auspices and with the connivance of the Syrian/Palestinian/Arab effendi class, who saw a way to increase profits through land sales. While inspired by Zionism, this later migration was also fueled by Russian pogroms and anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe. Not until the rise of Arab nationalism in the post-WWI era was there a conflict between Jewish aspirations for statehood, and Arab aspirations for statehood–both groups wishing for sovereignty and self-determination and independence from rule by others. Your description of Palestine being “conquered” is ridiculous—a land cannot be conquered by its own inhabitants. Jews lived there and had a right to self-determination as do all people–and especially so given the history of anti-Jewish violence and Arab supremicism in the region. It is unfortunate that the surrounding Arab countries have chosen to imprison their Arab brethren (many of whom in-migrated from Lebanon and Syria to start with) rather than assimilate them as Israel did with Jewish refugees.

              “The Irish did not have a modern state for 800 yrs or so. No one ever said they were an invented people. ” No, the English said far worse things about them….but an excellent example, nonetheless. In Ireland, you had an indigenous people who were conquered by invaders who subsumed Irish language, religion, culture forcibly; made advancement in society dependent upon joining that invading force in faith and language; treated those who didn’t adopt the conquerers ways as aliens, undesireables who were subject to every indignity and theft by the invaders, starved them, killed or encouraged their emigration, and after 800 years, the Irish revolted and sought independence and sovereignty in what was then part of the British Empire. This is exactly what happened in the Middle East–invaders (first Roman/Byzantine invaders, later waves of Muslim invaders) seized Jewish lands, marginalized the remaining Jewish population, expelled or killed hundreds of thousands, engaged in forcible conversion and forced marriages, imposed Arabic and Arab customs on a non-Arab population, reserved positions of advancement and authority only to those who assimilated into the invaders’ culture, and to this day, do everything possible to denigrate any Jewish claim to the Jewish homeland (the very word “Jew” or “Yahud” is from Judea), deny any religious connection to the land, and still call for the expulsion and killing of Jews — and after many centuries, the Jews sought, as the Irish did, their independence and sovereignty, no longer desiring to live under a historically brutal Muslim yoke, as the Irish no longer desired to live under brutal British rule.

              • Pammie

                One might have hoped you would have taken the time to read all the previous comments and links. To save you the trouble of scrolling up I will repost:

                To refute the notion that there is equality under the law for all races and religions in Israel:

                http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/court-postpones-jail-term-for-arab-convicted-of-rape-by-posing-as-jew-1.305723

                http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/supreme-court-upholds-ban-on-palestinians-living-with-israeli-spouses-1.406812

                http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=250956

                http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=225194

                http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/israeli-lawmakers-approve-harsh-penalties-for-illegal-migrants/2012/01/10/gIQAFt6LnP_story.html

                All Jewish/American sources= truthful

                and one Arab= lies all lies -but i dont have the time or interest to find a jewish source:

                http://www.imemc.org/article/62863

                It is false to state there is legal parity amongst races/religions in Israel, otherwise how are the above situations possible? Neither is there in Pakistan . My problem is that we try to pretend there is a difference between the PRINCIPLE of this denial of legal rights to other religions/races in both places.

                Yes I do know Pakistan tends to execute and Israel only steals their land,water and denies their existence. Yes I’d rather have my land stolen than my head chopped, given the option. But best of all I would like my rights to be considered on an EQUAL basis. That doesnt happen in either place.

                Jewish demographics in Palestine:

                “By Volney’s estimates in 1785, there were no more than 200,000 people in the country.According to Alexander Scholch, the population of Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims, 11% were Christians and 4% Jews”
                “According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy,the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews”

                Here’s a question: If there has always been a sizeable number of Jews in Palestine why is it that in your opinion the majority of your PMs were born in other places? Surely a phenomenon not normally found in other countries, not even Ireland.

                As for the Irish: the English did a lot of things to them but they did not deny them an existence. And is your point that the only reason they do have an “existence” is that they won their political independence? Interesting.

                Thank you for your history lesson. My concentration at university was history. It’s always been a passion. Of course I cant agree with all your interpretations, but I expect you would assume that already.

        • Michael PS

          This much is true: European displaced persons generally wanted to escape the austere conditions of the transit camps and were encouraged to do so.

          By contrast, many Palestinians found the refugee camps superior, in terms of diet, medical treatment and educational opportunities to the conditions that had experienced in their own villages and they were actively discouraged by Arab governments from leaving them

          • pammie

            One can guess you havent seen many refugee camps. I do agree though that after a farming family has been evicted from their land and has no means of support , a refugee camp would be better than starving.

    • Dan

      I hope music critic Mr Reilly’s knowledge of music is better than his knowledge of what is going on in the Middle East. If it isn’t then he should find some other type of employment.

      I must admit I have never read a bigger load of rubbish in my entire life. It might have come direct from TelAviv Central.

      Keep doing what you will to encourage the murder of innocents, whether Christian or Muslim, in the Middle East, Mr Reilly. But don’t ask rational people to agree with you.

    • robert reilly

      Some of the vituperation in these responses is unfortunate, but not unexpected. The whole purpose of the Prussian analogy was to try to see the situation away from the nearly hysterical emotions it generates on every side. Take all the objections offered to what I have said above and transpose them into the terms of my analogy. Use the word Prussians instead of Palestinians and then see how much sense they make. The don’t.

      This does not mean I lack sympathy for the Palestinians, Christian and Muslim alike, who have borne the brunt of this. Left to their own devices, this thing could have been settled long ago — with land and generous reparations. But they are being used and abused by others in whose interest it is to keep this misery going – and those others are not the Israelis. It is a hateful situation, but it should be understood within the larger perspective I have tried to offer.

      • Chris C.

        Robert I do not believe that the comparison with German Prussia after WW2 holds. That involved a European war, started by Nazi Germany. The movement of people of a defeated aggressor nation at the war’s end, itself arguably unjust, hardly compares to the expulsion of the Palestinian Arabs in 1948 and beyond. They were caught in the middle of early 20th century political intrigues involving the Zionist movement and its European, primarily British ,backers. As we have good reason to now know,expulsion of the Palestinians had been a part of the Zionist leaders strategy from early on, and was not a defensive measure necessitated by the 1948 war as we have long been incorrectly taught. Every international declaration and resolution from the Balfour declaration of 1917, to the UN partition resolution of 1947 was premised on protection of the civil and political rights of residents of Palestine being respected. There was absolutely no justification under international law either for the expulsion or prevention of return to their own lands
        at the war’s end.

        • Trish

          “expulsion of the Palestinians had been a part of the Zionist leaders strategy from early on, and was not a defensive measure necessitated by the 1948 war as we have long been incorrectly taught. ” This falsehood has several roots, the most prominent of which is a Ben Gurion letter which has since been proved “forged” in the sense that someone (probably a researcher) crossed out the word “not” which totally changed the meaning of his sentence opposing transfer of the Arab population. Nearly all the documentation of the Yishiv in pre-1948 discusses in detail how to provide services for over 100 Arab townships, which researchers are now realizing meant that there was no plan to expel all the Arab population—the records show exactly the opposite: that regional services and infrastructure for those villages was part of the post-independence planning, so Yishuv leadership expected that population to remain in place. See, for example: http://972mag.com/gershom-gorenberg-and-the-mystery-of-1948/28692/

          • Chris C.

            Did you carefully read the article which you linked to? I don’t believe it helps your case. It only suggests that the question of pre-war expulsion plans was debateable, a point well refuted by work of historians Benny Morris and ILan Poppe, both Israelis, as well as others, while admitting that after the war, the Israeli government by deliberate policy prevented the return of the refugees and approprated their land without paying compensation. There is far more to this than one single note penned by David Ben-Gurion. Further you mention in your post plans to provide sevices to 100 Arab townships. After cleansing over 400 cities, towns, and villages of their inhabitants, over three quarters of a million people, that probably was the least (literally ) that they could do.

      • http://www.middleeastsolutions.org Rachel

        One must also refer to what the Arabs so called “Palestinian” themselves say about the “Palestinian” Identity as people. Few examples:

        1. Statement by Zuheir Mohsein, Member of the Supreme Council of the PLO:

        “There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity, because it is in the interest of the Arabs to encourage a separate Palestinian identity in contrast to Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity

        Trouw (Dutch newspaper) March 31, 1977

        2. Declaration of the 8th Palestinian National Congress

        Jordan is linked to Palestine by a national relationship and a national unity forged by history and culture from earliest times. The creation of one political entity in East Jordan and another in Palestine would have no basis either in legality or as to the elements universally accepted as fundamental to a political entity.

        (R. Hamid (ed.) Muqararat al-majlis al-watani al-filastini 1964 Resolutions of the PNCs 1964-1974, Beirut, PLO Research Centre, 1975, p178 Declaration of the 8th Palestinian National Congress)

        3. Abdul Malik Dahamshe, an Israeli Arab Knesset member, said
        at a solidarity visit in Damascus, Syria [David Makovsky, Jerusalem Post,
        January 24, 1995]:

        Palestine and Syria are one homeland. The Arab people will win by the sword; the victory will be won by the Jihad of the Arab world.

        4. Statement by Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi to the Pell Commission in 1937

        5. There is no such country as ‘Palestine’; ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented!”

        6. Arab MK, Abdul Darawshe said [Jerusalem Institute of Western Defence, Bulletin 3, August 15, 1997]:

        There is no difference between one Palestinian and another. We are all Palestinians and we are all Syrian Arabs.

        7. Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad) number two in the PLO leadership (Al Sachrah, Kuwait, Jan. 6, 1987)

        We will take Palestine and turn it into a part of the greater Arab nation.

        http://www.netreach.net/~zoa/newsLinks/shockers/m100.htm

    • MT

      Thanks, Mr. Reilly, for a well-written argument. We are fond of the use of analogy around here, and thought your analogy an apt one. And, to Dan who thinks it’s all rubbish, it’s really not! Since I know one who spent a good deal of time in the Middle East serving our country and privy to a lot of info that just doesn’t get reported in a prominent fashion (note, I said prominent— it is reported, and a great place to look is on the Arab news websites!)—- Mr. Reilly’s argument is useful and true.

    • RK

      So much in this article is simply wrong. Where to begin? Gingrich is a polemicist on behalf of the Israeli lobby and anyone with a shred of understanding of the political scene in DC is well aware of this. If he was intellectually honest he would have had the courage to say that Israel is a construct. Jews, Christians, and Arabs have lived together peacefully in this region for THOUSANDS of years. Irgun and Stern gang were zionist terrorists who came to the region in the 1920′s and 30′s. With Allied compliance Israel was formed.

      This article makes no reference to the attacks initiated by the Israelis nor does it acknowledge the settlements which are systematically continuing the displacement of indigenous people.

      Previous incarnations of this website addressed this issue in a much more evenhanded way. This article lacks objectivity.

    • digdigby

      The mighty Israeli lobby with Washington in its ‘thrall’ and the media cowering to do its bidding. What planet is THAT happening on? Yeah there is secular Israel-loathing ‘Jewish power’ and it is exemplified by the likes of the repulsive George Soros.

      • Dave K

        digdigby,
        You think the power of the Zionist lobby in Washington is an illusion? Did you see the adulation Nut&Yahoo received when he spoke to Congress? How about the pandering all the Republican candidates (except Ron Paul) do for Israel’s sake. One gets the impression from them that the USA exists to protect Israel. As an American I find this attitude unpatriotic and those politicians cowards.

        • Dave K

          One more thing,
          As for Zionist control of the media, the fact that the vicious lie that the Iranians have threatened to wipe Israel off the map is repeated daily in the USA by its highest officials is proof enough for me. News sources both left and right regurgitate this agitprop so the control is complete. http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/
          This is the kind of propaganda that could trigger a world war so you would think a little more caution is deserved. The USA doesn’t need another unjustified war, but the Zionist would love it.

        • Trish

          Right….the “Zionist” lobby is so overpoweringly strong that it can’t seem to get the U.S. to kick out the Palestinians from the West Bank and just give it to the Zionists; or disarm the Egyptians; or stop talking to the various Arab militias; etc…..as if Washington doesn’t have other lobbies….shall we discuss the singularly most powerful lobby in the US? That would be OPEC, which has the western world by the balls….and is run by the Arabs. Or how about the gun lobby? There’s a lobby which single-handedly has kept weapons in the hands of all Americans despite repeated attempts by the government to strip citizens of gun ownership…..The US Congress and its voters love Israel not because of some mythical lobby power, but because most mainstream Americans see Israel as a beleagued democracy founded by refugees who fled persecution which has become a valued ally throughout the Cold War and into the current Islamic Terror era—in other words, the Israeli narrative is nearly identical to the American narrative and thus resonates with Americans in a way that suicide bombings, honor killings, and antidemocractic Sharia law does not……

    • rober reilly

      “Jews, Christians, and Arabs have lived together peacefully in this region for THOUSANDS of years.”

      This is an astonishing statement by RK. Please read The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, by Bat Ye’or and weep.

      In North Africa alone, there were 700 bishops in the 6th century. 500 years later, there were only two. We know this because they petitioned Pope Gregory VIII to send another to provide for apostolic succession. What happened to all those Christians? That’s what living peacefully together for 500 years can do?

      Also, Muslims are in their 15th century, so have not lived for “THOUSANDS” of years with anyone.

      • RK

        There’s nothing astonishing about that statement. Read Blood Brothers, by Melkite Bishop Elias Chacour. Anyone who speaks of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians should read this book. If you like I will send you the book–let me know.

        From Amazon’s book description:

        As a child, Elias Chacour lived in a small Palestinian village in Galilee. The townspeople were proud of their ancient Christian heritage and lived at peace with their Jewish neighbors. But early in 1947, their idyllic lifestyle was swept away as tens of thousands of Palestinians were killed and nearly one million forced into refugee camps.
        An exile in his native land, Elias began a years-long struggle with his love for the Jewish people and the world’s misunderstanding of his own people, the Palestinians. How was he to respond? He found his answer in the simple, haunting words of the Man of Galilee: “Blessed are the peacemakers.”
        In Blood Brothers, Chacour blends his riveting life story with historical research to reveal a little-known side of the Arab-Israeli conflict and the birth of modern Israel. He touches on controversial questions such as “What behind-the-scenes politics touched off the turmoil in the Middle East?”, “What does Bible prophecy really have to say?”, and “Can bitter enemies ever be reconciled?”

    • rober reilly

      I neglected to mention above that Syrian Jesuit Fr. Henri Boulad, who has worked in Egypt for many decades, explained to me that there are 20,000 fewer Christians in Egypt each year, and that Christianity is disappearing throughout the Middle East. Is this Israel’s fault, or is it something endemic in Islam?

      • http://www.middleeastsolutions.org Rachel

        I also suggest you read this book: The Jewish People’s Rights to the Land of Israel, http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Peoples-Rights-Israel-ebook/dp/B0065WZM14

        One can download it on line. Here one will clearly understand why the Jewish people has a legal right to the land of Israel/Palestine.

        And Palestine was never an Arab country as you claim. Read here: http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/never_arab.html

      • http://www.middleeastsolution.org Rachel

        Also, Mr. Reilly, you neglected to mention that this huge flag on top of this article is in fact stolen from Jordan (another invented people) as it is the same, a dot differed. Why is this huge flag in the top of this article? At least refer to the above.

        • robert reilly

          It’s there because the publisher put it there. I have nothing to do with the art.

      • pammie

        What do you account for the disappearence of native Christians and their culture in Israel? Perhaps Abbouna Boulad would have an opinion on that as well. If not, the clergy of the Latin Patriarchy might be helpful.

    • Emad

      I want to say to the author of this article that Palestinians have lived in Palestine since 3000 BC. Palestinians are Arabs and part of the Arab world. Israel existed only in 1948 after facilitating its occupation by western powers , the support of western countries ; especially Britain. Jews immigrated by groups to their so called ” their holy land” from all Europe escaping from the hatred and discrimination of European countries.Jews who came to Palestine formed Jewish terrorist groups armed by western powers and started to invade Palestinian cities and villages among those Jewish terrorist groups the Hagana and Argun formed by Menahim Begin and Itshaq Shamir who later became prime ministers of the occupation state. Israel is a false state, was established on the basis of the Zionist idea of occupying Palestinian Arab land and replace its original Arab Palestinian people with Jews from all over the world. Palestinians will never give up their stolen land to the Zionist state. Furthermore, they will never recognize an apartheid state which illegally basing its state on occupation and destruction of Palestinian homes and expropriating their land . I want to advise the writer of this biased article to review history and see who killed the Jews and threatened them? Europeans like Germany or Arabs . Christian and Jews have lived peacefully and all their rights were guaranteed for centuries in Spain under the Muslim rule and lived peacefully afterward under the Ottoman Muslim empire. Finally Israel does not belong in Palestine and we will liberate it from north , south and east like America who liberated its land from the British occupation.

      • http://www.middleeastsolutions.org Rachel

        Palestinian people do not exist even as we speak, Mr. Emad. They are Arabs. You are acquiescing to a false narrative invented by the Arabs whose goal is to destroy Israel.

        If any nation has a legitimate birth certificate, it is the Jews in the land of Israel/Palestine.

        Read this amicable Agreement Between Emir Feisal and Dr. Weizmann, 3 January, 1919 here: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~samuel/feisal1.html

        “Hussein ibn-Ali, Sherif of Mecca, and his son, King Faisal of Iraq, both endorsed and extolled the Balfour Declaration.

        Hussein wrote in Mecca’s Al Qibla, in 1918, “The resources of the country are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants. One of the most amazing things until recent times was that the Palestinian used to leave his country, wandering over the high seas in every direction. His native soil could not retain a hold on him…. At the same time, we have seen the Jews from foreign countries streaming to Palestine from Russia, Germany, Austria, Spain, and America. The cause of causes could not escape those who had a gift of deeper insight. They knew that the country was for its original sons [abna'ihi-l-asliyin], for all their differences, a sacred and beloved homeland. The return of these exiles [jaliya] to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually an experimental school for their brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades and all things connected to the land.”

    • Don Singleton

      If the Jews really changed the Torah as 5:13 claims, and if the Christians also changed the Bible, why did Allah not send the original versions down with Gabriel.

      And if the Qur’an has truly existed since time began, why is Islam the only religion that has needed to come up with the concept of Naskh (tafsir) or “abrogation”, in which a latter Sura cancels an earlier one. Did Allah change his mind that many times, or did the Muslims change his words in the earlier Suras, necessitating a correction in the latter Suras.

      Or is it possible that the more peaceful Makkan [revealed in Mecca] Suras, that talk about Jews, Christians, and Muslims being People of the Book, are the real Suras, and did the Muslims change things in the latter Madinian [revealed in Medina] Suras which called for wars of conquest, because there was more profit in taking bounty in war?

      The Jews and the Christians have not found a need for the concept of abrogation.

    • digdigby

      Don, you think too much to be a Muslim. Even a so-called ‘moderate’ Muslim.

      • Don Singleton

        I am not a Muslim. I am a born again Christian, a premillenialist, and pre-tribulationist as well. I was praying for protection of the State of Israel, and asked for wisdom to know whether our government (both Bush and Obama) was telling us the truth about the threat posed by Islam. The Holy Spirit challenged me to find out for myself. I did, and what I posted was just a very small part of what I discovered.

    • Sami

      Palestinians existed and will exist forever. I can go through histroy but Pammie did a good job. So, in simple words: Palestine has a seat in the United Nations and a seat as a COUNTRY in UNESCO and is recognized by a huge majority in the world including European countries and USA where they have either embassies or simple representation offices.

      So, no matter how hard the authur tries, the solid fact remains that the right wing Israeli government is negociating with the Palestinians because they know that Palestinians are there to stay.

      One last thing: Bethlehem, the most important city on earth, is in the hands of the Palestinian government with a christian Palestinian mayor and those who serve the churches are christian palestinians. You will never change this.

      GoldMaeir , the late Israeli prime minister, made a statement many eyars ago ” Who Are The Palestinias?”. They claimed they do not exist. years after her death, {Palestine is on the map of the world because they did not vanish and will never vanish.

      • Ani

        Just a quickie here, I don’t have time to get into polemics, but may I ask you pammie – do you know what would happen to the said ‘married couple’ if they applied for citizenship in any Arab country. At least in Israel their rights to cohabit would be recognized but in arab/muslim countries, they would not be allowed to enter – or if they lived there already they would be stoned or hanged etc. So, bad example on your part raising this issue.

    • Pammie

      Perhaps some of the Israeli side would be good enough to explain why in the “free democracy” of Israel such a situation as described below can occur:

      “..for example in this case June 2011, the Law came under scrutiny when a gay couple of a Jewish man, and a non-Jewish man made Aliyah to Israel. Although the Jewish man quickly received citizenship, the decision of citizenship for his husband was delayed by the Ministry of the Interior despite the clause in the law saying the spouse of the Jewish immigrant must also be granted citizenship.[19] Within 2 months, the Ministry of the Interior granted citizenship to the non-Jewish husband as required by The Law of Return.[20]

      Messianic Jews also claim to be discriminated against.

      And as we have see in this link in a recent court decision:
      http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/supreme-court-upholds-ban-on-palestinians-living-with-israeli-spouses-1.406812

      Palestinians were denied the same right as the gay couple. How does this make sense in a free and democratic society?

    • Rich

      I do appreciate your honesty, Pammie. Many peaceniks like to pretend that they are simply trying to balance legitimate Israeli and Palestinian rights. Not you. You admit that you despise Israel and would like to see it cease to exist, either through force of arms or the “right of return”, so that in its place yet another Muslim Arab state could form that is free, democratic, modern and prosperous like all the others in the region.

    • pammie

      ” You admit that you despise Israel and would like to see it cease to exist, either through force of arms or the “right of return”, so that in its place yet another Muslim Arab state could form that is free, democratic, modern and prosperous like all the others in the region.”

      I did? Please quote.

      I was blessed with the ability to discern in many cases the difference between what politicians and governments SAY they do and what they ACTUALLY do. According to your lights, my criticism (in other forums) of the modern deification of MLK means (for example) that I want to see harm come to everyone who supports the approved and official version of his life, even though many know that much of it is patently false. My position on that evokes much of the same kind of comment as yours. And like yours adds nothing substantial to the knowledge of the subject.

      Unless there is some substantive evidence or discussion to refute the points I have raised on this essay I decline to answer more of this silly type of comment.

    • Josh

      The Palestinians are an invented people. The UN and Israelis invented them. Instead of partitioning Palestine, the UN should’ve created a single secular state of Israel. The Israelis, for their part, expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes in 1948. These two mistakes served to establish a Palestinian identity.

      • http://www.middleeastsolution. rachel

        Israel did not have such policy as to expel the Arab Palestinian in 1948. Otherwise, how would you explain the fact that there are Arabs who remained there after the war in 1948. It is only in the course of the war that many Arab run away and many did so by the order of the ARAB leaders thinking that they will win the war and then they would be able to come back. In a war zone that is what happen, many people are displaces. In fact the Jews begged the Arabs to remain there. See this document:

        Official British Police Report Regarding Jews’ Appeal to Arabs

        http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/appeal.html

        To see other documents, see here: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/index.html

        • Dave K

          rachel
          The source material for some of this documentation comes from Joan Peters; From Time Immemorial. This book is a proven fraud. It is full of false information and made up facts. This is just another example of how the Zionists in the USA get away with their lies.