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  • The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith

    by Rev. Michael P. Orsi

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    With Mitt Romney the presumptive Republican nominee for President it is important to know something about his religion. As a practicing Mormon─ or the Church’s preferred name, “Church of Latter Day Saints” (LDS), Romney’s faith has shaped who he is and how he will approach the nation’s problems.

    From a traditional Christian perspective Mormonism is not orthodox. LDS believes that they are the restoration of the Christian Church which early on went astray from the principles taught by Christ to his Apostles. Their beliefs regarding the Godhead do not cohere with the Creeds of Nicea (325 A.D.)  or Calcedon (451 A.D.). These documents, among other truths, define the nature of God, the Hypostatic Union (the Divine and human natures in the one person of Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit as being consubstantial with the Father and the Son. Mormons do, however, emphasize that salvation comes through Christ’s atoning sacrifice but lack a theology of grace which enables human sanctification.

    Matthew Bowman, holds a doctorate in Religious History from Georgetown University. In The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith, he traces the history of the religion from Joseph Smith’s (1805-44) first encounter with the angel Moroni (1823) to the present. While Bowman makes no judgment on Smith’s character or the revelations he claims to have received, he relays a telling assessment of him from biographer Fawn Brodie. He says, Brodie, a Mormon, “…frankly admitted lack of belief in Joseph Smith’s divine calling, describing him as a brilliant improviser, a man with a life overrun by his own stories who came to believe in his fictions.” For this, Brodie has since been excommunicated from the Church.

    Be that as it may, Bowman says Smith’s theology, other than human deification and the promise of eternal life, is presently not a grave concern of the LDS hierarchy. Recently, for example, in a politically correct move, Mormon leaders have condemned the Church’s practice of proxy baptism (a living person baptized on behalf of the deceased) for holocaust victims in response to Jewish outrage. A perusal of the Church’s history shows its interests to lie more in moral living with a penchant for political accommodation when and where necessary. For example, the geographical utopia Mormons once dreamed of, has for the most part subsided in favor of a spiritual kingdom. Also, polygamy, once demanded by Smith, was abolished, in 1890, under pressure from U.S. government as a prerequisite for Utah’s admission to the Union.

    On issues like abortion and contraception, Mitt Romney has been called “plastic.” But these issues can be viewed within the context of his faith. For example, while staunch on traditional family values, like marriage, LDS teaching is less so on human reproduction. While it encourages large families in order to find habitation for pre-existing souls (another tenet of their faith) it does permit abortion in the case of rape, incest or for the health of the mother. Contraception is discouraged but there is no absolute prohibition, as there is in Roman Catholicism. Hence, Mr. Romney’s ability to make political accommodations.

    By the mid-twentieth century the institutionalization of Smith’s visions had gradually been formalized both organizationally and catechetically. Bowman outlines the various layers of the Church’s organization. He also shows how LDS theology became standardized in response to the needs of the Church’s foreign mission outreach through the process of “correlation.” He writes,

    This version emphasized Mormonism’s claims to unique authority and truth and the incapacities of the rest of Christianity. It stressed the authority and revelatory power of the general leadership of the church. Because it sought to avoid the possibility of theological controversy it downplayed theology in favor of a strict moral code and conservative doctrinal beliefs about scripture, the supernatural, and the creation of the earth.

    Mormonism is shown by Bowman to be adjustable to the times. He says that the Church was formed within a worldview that America was a perfect country, or at least had the potential to be. LDS embraced an optimism that solidified in the American Progressive Movement regnant in the early part of the past century. Bowman writes,

    [Mormons] believed in rationality, science, and political reform. They believed that human organization could take on and defeat and social problem so long as it had access to the right expertise and dedicated bureaucrats. They believed that American democracy, American business, and American reform movements were well on their way to making the Unites States the most perfect country in human history.

    This may explain the rationale for Romney-Care, enacted in Massachusetts. It also leaves open the possibility that some form of national healthcare would not be off the table in a Romney Administration. Consistent with Mormon emphasis on personal achievement, Bowman points out that Stephen R. Covey, an LDS graduate of Brigham Young University, published the national best seller, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People (1998), “a self-help book that drew upon his experience as a missionary and lay leader in the Church.” These habits have been instrumental in the success of Mr. Romney’s business career.

    Although Romney is not the subject of Bowman’s book per se, it is written with a possible Romney presidency in mind. The underlying thesis seems to be that Mitt Romney is a contemporary incarnation of Mormonism. As a religion, LDS is flexible and pragmatic. So is Romney! Mormonism finds security in family and is motivated by the American dream for a better life. It promotes good living, frowns on divorce, drugs and alcohol consumption. It also promotes an ethic of hard work and personal responsibility. So does Romney!

    What is disconcerting about Mormonism is its reliance on a continuing revelation from the “Mormon Prophet” or President of the Church. Unlike the Pope, who is the conservator of the Tradition, the “Mormon Prophet” can discern something completely new. Once again, part and parcel with Smith’s additions to Sacred Scripture. This is definitely heterodox and inconsistent with Christian revelation that ended with the death of the last Apostle. Would a President Romney be bound to a new belief regarding, for example, the treatment of Islam or the State of Israel? Could this be presented as a negative point by Romney’s opponents in the general election? Perhaps a JFK-like disclaimer to the Houston Ministerium (1960) regarding the relationship of State and Church may be in order to fend off this type of assertion. Or, is there the possibility that the culmination of LDS’s history of accommodation to cultural mores might compromise Romney’s stance with social conservatives? For example, just as polygamy was abandoned for pragmatic reasons, could the same hold true in a future a “revelation” perhaps permitting gay-marriage, and jeopardize the federal Defense of Marriage Act (1996) which does not force reciprocity between the states in recognizing same-sex marriage?

    Mitt Romney is no JFK. And this is the problem. Whereas Kennedy’s religious commitment was never fervid, Romney’s is. Romney’s faith has been instrumental in the formation of his character and his attitude toward life and government. His role as a Mormon bishop and as a “stake president,” one who administrates several congregations, has shaped him and will guide his public policy. Many contend that while Mormonism is an authentically American religion, it is still insular and has never connected with the American mainstream. Some speculate that this is the root of Romney’s inability to relate to the voters. The fact is that Romney is more Mormon than conservative. Bowman’s book can help us understand Romney and why he may not be elected.

     


    The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith

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    • poetcomic1

         Either Joseph Smith is what he says he is  or he is truly and deeply evil.   For a Catholic there is no middle ground about this.  All the ‘partial’ and incomplete separated brethren of Protestantism call upon Jesus Christ as both God and Man and are indeed brothers to us.  Mormons are not because they live by a false prophet and by transparently fake scriptures…. however ‘nicely’ they live.  The Mormon’s flaw may be difficult to discern but the magisterium of the Church has given us the means to fiercely condemn this rank heresy which is as pernicious as Islam.

      • Ricdykstra1

        Having made a study of Mormonism, I found that they are for the most part, Pagans who use Jesus much the same way the Gognostics did.  Like the Gognostics, they believe in many gods.  The Gognostics believed that Salvation came from knowledge, which only they knew.  Mormons believe that Jesus was a man-who became divine when He died .  They too will be come divine-gods actually, who will be given their own planets to populate.  To get to heaven, you must have church approval and carry a card showing that you obey the church.  Joseph Smith is considered greater than Jesus.
        They choose not to emphasize that Joseph Smith was caught by his wife, with his mistress.  He then informed his wife god (which one?) had told him he could have as many wives as he pleased .  He then married 13 women and his wife could not complain.  This is the reason he was killed in Illinois by irate neighbors.

        • Guest

           As a card carrying Mormon who has a job I don’t have time to correct all the flaws in your comment but would like to make 1 point.  We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of the world.  No one has any hope in this life without His atoning sacrifice.  Only through Him may we receive forgiveness of our sins.  He is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and created the world under His Father’s direction.   

          I just attended a 1st communion for  a neighbor on last week.  My whole family attended.  I feel a deep respect for my committed Catholic neighbors and our values are very much aligned. 

          Neither Santorum nor Romney would be my first choice for president but they are both light years better than Obama. 

          I actually knew one of Romney’s sons while I was at BYU.  He was my neighbor in a very run of the mill apartment complex and drove a used Toyota.  I had no idea his father was worth hundreds of millions because he was living like the rest of the middle class students.  Shows a little common sense on the part of the family.  Romney will run this country like a business and be an effective CEO guided by Christian values. 

          I too could twist and distort Catholic doctrines in a Mormon blog and to where your religion would seem foreign to a true Catholic because I don’t know what I’m talking about.    

          • poetcomic1

              Anyone who can ‘swallow’ the Book of Mormon has an iron digestion. I do not appreciate how you slither and squirm and equivocate  about Mormon Christology.  Wow!  That first paragraph of yours is a masterpiece of subtle and Satanic wit and no I don’t share my values with you.  I value TRUTH above all.  My allegiance is to TRUTH not to ‘shared values’.  Your religion is a pitiful fraud and is not Christian.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FYVERNVVEL7KWT6UKIKYNCEMLM Douglas

              bigot psycho

            • Guest

               Wow, you’ve sure made the case that Mormons are bad.  So what’s worse Obama or a Mormon? 

              • poetcomic1

                 NO Mormons are not ‘bad’. Of course not.  For the most part they know no better and most are raised that way.  I am revolted by their lies and heresies, not by the people.  Lukewarm Catholics, Cafeteria-Catholics,  Christ-bearers who are ashamed of Christ…THAT’S bad people. And as for politics,  I’ll take an inanimate object over Obama.

            • politically incorrect

              You are a hater and not a Christian

              • guest 3

                As Christians all are actions must be motivated by charity, and there is no reason for you to castigate another human being, a  beloved child of God, in such a hateful manner.  We are called to speak the truth, but we must speak it in love. 

                • guest 3

                  *our (my apologies)

            • Guest 2

              Agreed, poetcomic, one hundred percent.   It’s funny what niceness wraps up inside of people.  At least Mormon propaganda is now harder for Mormons to spread in the U. S. as we learn more about their violent origins and cultic ways which conveniently leave out all the drastic and essential differences between their religion and (say) the one true faith.   Did I miss it or did Fr.Orsi neglect to say that the Church rejects their baptism?  
              Anyway, as awful as their unchristian religion may be, I don’t think that’s a reason not to vote for Romney.  Neither is the fact that, for some, he’s the lesser of two evils.  His record in the Bay State is a reason not to vote for him.  His support of abortion is another.  His plasticity, mentioned by Fr. Orsi, is another.  

              I thought the choices four years ago were bad enough.  Surely this election year is hell on earth: two pro-abortionists, one a statist, the other a radical capitalist.  No amount of conjecture about Mormon religion and Romney’s life can gauze over these sad facts.

          • J G

             Mormonism, as you point out, is polytheistic. One of the major reasons that Mormonism is not Christianity.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FYVERNVVEL7KWT6UKIKYNCEMLM Douglas

          Here are a few more things you should know about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints aka Mormons.
          ·        
          Mormons believe in a trinity of three divine persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. So do Roman Catholics, Baptists, Episcopalians, Presbertyrians, Methodists, Lutherans, and Greek
          Orthodox.
          ·        
          In 1833 Joseph Smith received a revelation that became D&C 101. Verse 79 says “Therefore it is not right that one man should be in bondage to another.”
          ·        
          In 1838 Mormons were expelled from Missouri under threat of extermination (Executive Order 44). In 1978, Missouri formally apologized for this.
          ·        
          A list of complaints by Missourians against Mormons made no mention of polygamy but did complain that Mormons had invited “free negroes and mulattoes” to join them in Jackson County Missouri.
          ·        
          In 1844 Joseph Smith ran for president with a plan to free all slaves by 1850. He was murdered four months later.
          .        
          In 1846 several women were sealed to Joseph Smith as wives for eternity. Smith had been dead for more than a year at the time of these sealings. These are the only recorded marriages of Smith to any woman other than Emma Hale Smith.
          ·        
          In 1852, the practice of polygamy was instituted as part of LDS doctrine.
          ·        
          In 1869, Utah gave the vote to women.
          ·        
          In 1887, the federal government took the vote away from Utah women (Edmunds-Tucker Act)
          ·        
          At the very time Arthur Conan Doyle wrote “A Study in Scarlet” depicting Mormons as oppressors of women who forced them into plural marriage and held them in virtual bondage, Utah had the most liberal divorce laws in the US and possibly the world. Any woman who insisted on a divorce got one.
          ·        
          -The framers of 19th century federal anti-polygamy laws took care to insure that these laws did NOT prohibit prostitution in federal territory.
          ·        
          In the early 21rst century, genetic research by Ugo Perego failed to identify a single descendant of Joseph Smith through any woman other than Emma Hale Smith. Several supposed candidates were ruled out.
          ·        
          The official Mormon doctrine of Eternal Marriage permeates Western Culture. It can be found in literature and performance art from Mozart’s “The Magic Flute” to “Star Trek: the Movie” and a multitude of literature in between.
          Anti-Mormons are weird.

          • Guest 2

            Just how gullible do you think people are?  Mormonism was born in fraud, sin, and murder.  Its own scripture is part of the larger hoax, but only the most obvious part.  It is not Christian.  The Catholic Church–founded by our Lord Jesus Christ–rejects Mormon baptism.  

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FYVERNVVEL7KWT6UKIKYNCEMLM Douglas

          “They too will be come divine-gods actually, who will be given their own planets to populate. ”

          All Christian denominations teach as doctrine that men can become gods with a little “g”. The call this “sanctification”. It is fiction that Mormon doctrine teaches that each person will be given their own planet.

          Just for extra credit, the Bible teaches that Lucifer and Jesus were once brothers. Job 2:1

          • J G

             Sanctification is not the same as what Mormonism teaches.

        • Mike R

          With whom, exactly did you study Mormonism?  Ed Decker? 

          The idea that Mormons believe Joseph Smith is greater than Jesus is entirely false. 

          Similarly, Jesus was God before he was born.  He was the God of the Old Testament.

          The story of Emma, Joseph’s wife, catching him with his mistress has no foundation and was a “it might have happened that …” story that we find so frequently in anti-mormon literature.

          If you know what you are saying is false, that is bearing false witness. If you don’t know, you have now been informed and are responsible for being honest.

          I have no problem criticizing what I believe as a Mormon so long as they do so truthfully.  I have problems with people lying about what I believe.

          • J G

             So how many wives did Joseph Smith have and how many of them were married to men he sent off to missions abroad?

    • Christopher Check

      I thank Father Orsi for his column about this thoroughly American and non-Christian cult.  It is a fact that Mormons deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ.  They are, in effect, Arians.  Their beliefs grow more bizarre from that error, including their belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, and that Joseph Smith read “Reformed Egyptian” using “Seeing Stones.” It is a fact that they have changed their doctrines, for example, that black skin is a curse.  I very much recommend listening to three excellent lectures from the Institute for Catholic Culture on Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists–all related  The lectures can be found and downloaded at no charge, here:

      http://instituteofcatholicculture.org/media.htm

      Download them; burn them to a CD; put them on your iPod; listen to them on your drive home.  Prepare to have your eyes opened.

      The series is called, “Kingdom of Cults” and includes frank testimony from former members of these three cults.

      The Institute of Catholic Culture is a superb organization of adult evangelization and apologetics in Northern Virginia run by Deacon Sabatino Carnazzo, a brilliant and energetic Christendom grad who is laboring nightly to transform the metro DC area in Christ.

      Christopher Check
      Vice President
      The Rockford Institute

      • Logic

        Those Mormons sure are weird, they believe crazy things like the earth was created in 7 days out of nothingness, woman was created from mans rib, flaming sword and cherubim guard the garden of eden, the whole earth was flooded (EVEN COVERING MT EVEREST), Moses hit a rock with a stick and water came out, the city walls of Jericho were brought down by a horn, Jesus was born by a literal virgin, Jesus rose himself and others from the dead, you can eat the literal flesh and blood of Jesus, celibacy is holy, self flagellation is good, and un-baptized babies go to hell. Yeah those Mormons sure do believe some crazy things… oh wait I think I am confusing them with another group.

        • J G

           Logic, you might consider it logical to be accurate. For example Catholics don’t teach that unbaptized infants go to hell.

      • politically incorrect

        Let he who is without sin cast the first seeing stone.

        • Guest 2

          If only there were such a thing as a seeing stone.

      • Guest 2

        Amen to Christopher Check.  Somehow, your excellent comments are buried, and I only just now found them.  I can attest to the excellence of the Institute of Catholic Culture, having enjoyed and profited from it on-line teaching.

    • Sue from WA state

      The idea that Mormonism is not the true faith should not be in question by any faithful Catholic.  But, neither is the question of whether or not it is better to elect a Mormon… especially when the choice is electing a militantly anti-Catholic, socialist/communist-supporting individual who has apparently studied the US Constitution with an apparent intent on dismantling it.  Obama has lied to our bishops, insulted them, aligned himself with “Catholics” who have denied Catholic teaching in an attempt to confuse and divide the faithful.  He has aligned himself with the Muslim Brotherhood who is known to have terrorist connections.  He has slapped our allies in the face while bending over to accommodate our enemies.  While it is true that no one is sure of what we might have in Romney,  we know exactly what we have in Obama.  I don’t understand how any Catholic could vote for our current president, knowing his contempt for our Church and its leaders.

    • hombre111

      Not a bad summary.  One mistake: the Mormons have abandoned the material kingdom for a spiritual kingdom.  Mormons pride themselves for being strict materialists.  One of their objections against the “Gentile” view of God is that for Catholics et alii, God is a pure spirit.

      And from the very beginning they have been very preoccupied with wealth.  Mormons routinely give about 11% of their income to their church as a matter of commandment.  If they do not tithe, they will not inherit the “celestial kingdom,” which will keep them from becoming gods.   And, by the way, godhood is a job strictly for males.  Females become “eternal companions,” and their destiny is to give birth to billions of children.   For instance, according to Mormons, we are all the literal children of a single eternal Father and an unknown number of eternal companions. 

      Back to the subject, because they bring in so much money through tithing, the Mormons have a huge investment in business.  They give no financial accounting to church members.  But as a hint of their wealth, they just announced an enormous mall that will be built near the Temple in Salt Lake City.  The bill will be a billion dollars plus.  They will pay for the development in cash. 

    • http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/10/justification-by-faith-alone-debate.html Nick

      Mormons are largely anti-intellectual; they shy away from critical thinking.

      More importantly here, I’m surprised Fr Orsi didn’t mention Joseph Smith’s White HoRse prophecy, in which he predicted one day a Mormon would be President of the US.

      • Anonymous

        The “white horse prophecy” is more Mormon folklore than fact. Although it is referred to a number of times, there is no record of the original. It is also attributed normally to Brigham Young, not Joseph Smith, jr. Like virtually all religions, there is doctrine and there is myth. The WHP belongs to the latter…

    • Orin Porter

      I like, and agree with, that closing line – “The fact is that Romney is more Mormon than conservative.”

      I think the real issue with Mr. Romney is that of separation of church and state. Why? Because is a High Priest in a church that proclaims itself the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth. It’s a church that proclaims itself the bearer of the true and “restored” priesthood of God and, as such, has the only body of authorized servants on earth for administering the laws and ordinances of God. Thus, the LDS believe all other Christian sects are wrong – along with their different creeds, which are an abomination in the sight of God.He is a presidential candidate who is known to have sworn an oath of loyalty – consecrating all that he has (his time, talent and resources) to the Mormon church – and has done so as a covenant made with God in the holiest of places, the temple.

      These are all facts based on their current doctrine and practices. Therefore, Mr. Romney should be forthcoming in dealing with the perception (real or not) from non-mormons – which happen to be 98% of the electorate – regarding the potential for breaching the wall of separation of church and state.

    • E B

      That is NOT the Church’s name. It is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Please reference mormonnewsroom.org when preparing articles or posts about the Mormons for accuracy in reporting.

      There are so many inaccuracies printed here about the LDS Church that I don’t even know where to start. Please refer to mormon.org or lds.org for fact-checking or for your own enlightenment. 

      At bottom, Mormons try to follow Jesus Christ. All else is secondary.  Jesus Christ was not present at the formation of the Nicene Creed, how could you even claim that not following the Creed makes Mormons not Christians? Why do you care whether you agree with each point of doctrine in the LDS Church or not unless you feel threatened by the growth of the LDS Church? 

      I think there is room for tolerance of Mormons at this stage in history. There is no religious test for the office of president of the United States under the Constitution. Are you trying to make one anyway? Thanks for listening.
      http://www.conservativemormonmom.blogspot.com

      • J G

         I will vote for Mitt. That said Mormonism is not Christianity. I have seen these talking points before, but they do not change the facts.

      • Cord_Hamrick

         E B:

        Of course there is no religious test. But, the original article never suggested that there was.

        I feel that perhaps your reaction here was a gut-reaction rather than an analytical one. Understandable, of course; everyone gets a bit uptight when another person points out what, in that other person’s view, are the errors in one’s religion! I am just the same.

        But please examine the article again: Nowhere is a religious test proposed; the author merely states that Mormons are not Christian in the objective sense of the word.

        Now I grant what you say, that Mormons are “following Jesus Christ” as best as they know how, and in all sincerity. How, then, can they not “be Christian?” It is a reasonable question.

        But I think, on deeper examination, we must all agree that  “following Jesus Christ” is not enough for one to be objectively “Christian” for the following reasons:

        Jesus (a.) was someone specific, (b.) did specific things, and (c.) taught specific things. There are thus two ways in which a person may “follow Him” and yet not be a “Christian”:

        (1.) By neglecting or rejecting the distinctive essence in favor of the peripheral or incidental or non-distinctive. For example, a person cannot merely claim to be “following Jesus Christ” by breathing air instead of helium, because Jesus breathed air instead of helium. Breathing air is not distinctive to Jesus (Stalin did the same) and isn’t a particularly edifying observation about Jesus. Likewise “be nice to your spouse” is something anyone might say, there’s nothing especially Christian about it; by contrast, “if anyone divorces his wife and marries another, he causes her to commit adultery and the person who marries the divorced woman commits adultery” is uniquely Christian because no other teacher ever declared marriage to be so entirely permanent and inviolable. The person who follows the “be nice” command is minimally laudable but has no special claim to being Christian; whereas the person who separates from an abusive spouse but considers himself or herself still married and thus never remarries is acting distinctively like a Christian.

        So a person who held and practiced all the distinctives of the Christian faith would certainly be Christian. A person who held and practiced none of the things which are distinctive to Christianity would certainly not be. And a person who held and practiced some of the distinctives, but rejected others, would be in a gray area, a borderline case: If we called them “Christian,” we should have to admit that it was in a qualified sense.

        (2.) By revising the definitions of terms used by Jesus, and thus the meaning of the teachings of Jesus, in a fashion incompatible with their original meaning, thereby following a different religion only superficially resembling the faith “delivered once for all to the apostles.” Now in this case we must distinguish between a person who does this knowingly, or one who does it unknowingly. A person who “believes in the Holy Spirit, who spoke through the prophets” but who means by the terms “Holy Spirit” and “prophets” something entirely different from what Jesus and His apostles meant, is not in fact following Jesus or His teachings and is thus objectively not Christian. Yet if he doesn’t know that Jesus and the apostles meant something different by those words, then his intent is perfectly laudable: He intends to “follow Jesus Christ” but is misinformed about what that entails.

        That is the Catholic view of LDS members (and, I suppose, the LDS view of Catholics!): That Mormons may intend to be following Jesus Christ in holding and teaching and living by the faith Jesus delivered to the apostles, but they are not in fact doing so because critical terms have been wrongly defined. They are thus intending to be “Christian” without being objectively Christian.

        Now you follow up by asking why the Nicene creed should be considered authoritative for distinguishing between those who are (objectively) Christian and those who are not, since “Jesus Christ was not present at the formation of the Nicene Creed.”

        As a Catholic I would initially disagree with that premise: He was there. He was really present, body, blood, soul, and divinity, whenever the assembled bishops and priests celebrated the Eucharist. He was also there because they served in persona Christi in various capacities, administering the sacraments. He was also there whenever they taught the faithful in exercise of Magisterial authority. He was also there “inhabiting the praise of His people.” He was also there because two or more were gathered in His name.

        But I realize that these kinds of presence, while real and important, are not what you had in mind. So I’ll approach your question that way: Why bother with the Creeds and so on?

        The simple reason is epistemology: How do we know, and know that we know, what it is Jesus intended for us to believe and do?

        The Bible, by itself, is not enough to achieve this. If it were, there would be no disputes about what it meant, or at least no disputes serious enough to cause divisions of church membership. But clearly there are such disputes! The Bible does not interpret itself.

        Now, the creeds and pronouncements of the early councils and the writings of the early Church Fathers are important because they give us an early, well-publicized, well-documented record of what the early Christians meant by the terms they used. Do you have any doubt that God the Father is pure spirit, according to the teachings of the apostles? Well, who better to verify it than someone like Ignatius of Antioch or Polycarp or Clement of Rome? Here we have men who (a.) personally knew the apostles, (b.) were taught Christianity by the apostles, (c.) were selected by the apostles for leadership positions in the early Church. Add to this group Irenaeus of Lyons and Justin Martyr and a few others, who were taught and appointed to leadership not by the apostles themselves but by the church leaders whom the apostles taught and chose to be their successors, and you have an objective historical witness to the way the authors of the New Testament defined terms and understood the apostolic faith.

        Early Christian writings are therefore absolutely critical. Without them there is no objective way to distinguish between the various interpretations of Christianity. We would all be stuck trusting whatever our parents (or some other folks we knew and trusted) had told us, all the while knowing that (a.) other parents and kind, trustworthy people said otherwise, and (b.) that the folks who taught us were many, many centuries removed from the original sources, so how could they know?

        Another important thing to understand about early Christian writings is that they give us an accounting of how the Catholic Church discerned and pronounced the canon of Scripture, thus affirming for Christians that the Old Testament was not abrogated but was to continue in use, and also acknowledging and proclaiming the canonization of the 27 books of the New Testament.

        Without this act of the Catholic Church, which was done on the basis of the authority that Jesus granted to His apostles and they to their successors (the bishops), the world would have no New Testament. It is not enough to say that the apostles are reputed to have written some documents; some authority outside those documents must authenticate them and indicate their significance.

        So, the Catholic Church gave the world the Christian Bible as it exists today; it is a Catholic book. It exists in the world because the early Christians, who were accustomed to learning the faith of the apostles from the mouths of their successors, were also told by those successors that they could trust these particular books because their contents were in accord with the apostolic tradition as they understood it.

        That is an objective fact; it is much of the reason that I, desiring only to “follow Jesus Christ,” became Catholic. “How,” I asked myself, can I reject the Catholic interpretation of the New Testament when it was the Catholics who picked which books should belong in the New Testament, and picked them over other books not only for their antiquity but for their agreement with Catholicism?

        I cannot stress that point enough. Remember that no Christian writer in history had given the 27 books we use today as being the “correct” New Testament canon until Athanasius did in 370 A.D. in his Easter letter. Others had proposed canons consisting of as little as the 4 gospels up to 23 books, often excluding John’s Revelation or 2nd Peter or Hebrews or Jude or some of John’s Epistles, and often including Hermas’ The Shepherd and The Didache and Clement of Rome’s Epistle to the Corinthians…all of them perfectly orthodox writings, of course, and none of them spurious Gnostic propaganda like the pseudo-gospels introduced later purporting to be from Thomas or Mary Magdalene or whomever. No, those spurious writings were rejected easily, but as for the orthodox writings…did they, or did they not, belong to that category of highest respect and assent we call “Holy Writ?” Did they belong in the canon?

        Athanasius offered his list…and it might have gone down in history as merely one more opinion about the canon, but then Damasus, the Bishop of Rome, confirmed its correctness. Shortly thereafter, St. Augustine and the councils of Carthage and Hippo, with a sort of nod of assent towards Damasus, officially taught the correctness of this canon as authoritative teaching from the successors of the apostles. Suddenly, the matter was settled, although it had remained an open topic for 350 years since the Resurrection. And the matter remained undisputed for the next thousand years and more.

        So we know. We know as a matter of objective history that the early Christians, often illiterate and often having copies of only a few of the New Testament books, learned Christianity by heeding the authority of those in the Apostolic Succession. And we know, objectively, that it was those in the Apostolic Succession whom Christians then and now trusted to give us the New Testament canon.

        And we know that these men in the Apostolic Succession — Augustine, Athanasius, Damasus — were Catholic, and that an important criterion for a book being included in the New Testament canon was that it accord fully with the Catholic faith they were taught by their predecessors. That’s the deal. That’s history.

        So that’s why it’s worth our time and effort to discuss such questions as “what does it objectively mean to be Christian, apart from any misunderstandings that may exist in the mind of a person who intends to be Christian but may have an erroneous grasp of what that entails?” Were it not for the objective historical data, we would have no evidence on which to base any historical claim to objectivity.

        Fortunately, the data does exist, so we can (charitably, respectfully) discuss more than people’s well-meant intentions, and ask questions about what Christianity really is.

        Make sense?

      • Bgasper62

         Nobody is advocating civil “intolerance” of Mormonism. You are free to pursue any doctrine or creed you desire. I suspect that when not proselytizing, I would find Mormon neighbors to be no different than any other religion, other than observant Mormons wouldn’t join us for a cup of coffee or glass of wine as would others, and if you choose to abstain, that’s fine with me.  

        However, in theological discourse, I have little patience for LDS doctrines, as I find them supercessionist and disjointed. “At bottom”, If you really tried to follow Jesus Christ, you would not adhere to a faith that promoted the Book of Mormon as “another testament of Jesus Christ”.

        The possibility of such a work being worthy of consideration, let alone divinely inspired is precluded by Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.”

    • Ricdykstra1

      I remember when President Kennedy was elected and certain people wondered if he would “Take orders from the Pope.”  I thought this a foolish question, but now that a Mormon is runnung for President, I find myself asking the same question,”Will a Mormon President  take orders from the President of the Mormon Church?”

    • James Stagg

      I think the comparison (if it can be called that) to JFK is ridiculous.  JFK was a noted womanizer, who can be held up as no example of what America needs for a man, a husband, a father or a leader.  I think JFK is more representative of the present occupant of the WH, all fancy words and very little accomplishment (what there was could be credited to his VP, more than to him, Bobby, or the notorious Teddy).

      I am not a supporter of Mitt Romney.  Yet he has demonstrated a value system consistent with my image for the USA.  That he is Mormon, and to all reports, a “good” Mormon, leads me, a life-long Catholic with many Mormon friends, to call him to duty as our president.  Not as much “flash” as JFK and BO, but definitely more qualified to lead.

      And, by the way, where is the accompanying article on the “faith basis (is there one?)” for BO, the “empty suit”?  He’s a sort of “fill-in-the-blanks” kind of person, eh what? 

    • The Primary Liberator

       

      The magazine this article comes from called “Crisis” is well
      named.  The Catholic Church is in crisis plagued
      by child abuse scandals, a falling membership and aging membership, a
      membership made of largely non-practicing or A la-cart followers, and a long-term
      shortage of vocations.

      I suspect Fr. Orsi’s column is motivated to some degree by
      the US church membership report by the Association of Religious Data( http://thearda.com/ ) which was released last
      week .  The report showed the LDS Church
      (Mormons) growing by 46 percent in the US between 2000-2010.  The LDS Church is now the fourth largest
      Christian denomination is the US according to the study.  The same study found that the Catholic Church
      is losing members, over 3.1 million members (or 5 percent) between
      2000-2010. 

      The study looked at what members of different Christian
      denomination believe. 

      For examples members of LDS Church (Church of Jesus Christ
      of Latter-day Saints) believe strongly in an afterlife, according to the survey
      at a level of 97.8%, while only 77% of Catholics believe in an afterlife.

      Only 35.5% percent of Catholics believe that their church should
      preserve its traditional beliefs and practices in contrast to 69.2% of LDS who believe
      that their traditions and beliefs should be maintained.

      The survey also found that only 46.1% percent of Catholics
      attend church weekly, while 76.1% of LDS Church members do so.  Regarding daily prayer 57.9% of Catholic do
      so, while 82.6% of LDS pray daily. 

      LDS members at a rate of 75.9% read scriptures weekly
      outside of church services, while only 21.3% of Catholics do so.

      Simply, put the LDS Church is a fast growing religion with
      devout members, while the Catholic Church is a religion in decline with
      membership which is less faithful.  
      Also, I’d like to know how Fr. Orsi explains why 55,000 LDS members,
      most them in their late teens or early twenties, at their own expense serve 18 month
      to two-year missions for their church?  
      I have yet to have a Catholic missionary come to my door.

      Fr. Orsi’s article is a hit job.   His attacks on LDS theology and Mitt Romney
      are attempt to motivate people into voting for Obama.

      Regarding Father Orsi’s theological comments regarding the
      LDS Church and Romney:  I know many
      traditional Catholics, I think a couple of them even subscribe to the
      Crisis.  I do not agree with their view
      of God many of them view the Virgin Mary as a “Co-Redemptrix” with Christ.    According to what I have researched this view
      of Mary is common among many members of the Catholic Church’s Magistarium.  How does placing Mary on the same level as
      the Savior not make the Catholic Church Anti-Trinitarian?

      Before I’d go after bashing another faith Fr. Orsi I would
      work on cleaning up yours!

      • J G

         The Mormon church has had similar problems with sexual abuse within its ranks. Many religions claim to be the “fastest growing” just ask the Muslims. In fact the Mormons tend to inflate their numbers. Mormonism is not Christian although it was derived from Christianity. They have plenty of cleaning up to do.

    • ELIZ

      FATHER MICHAEL P. ORSI MIGHT BE HIGHLY EDUCATED BUT HE FAILED TO SPELL THE THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE MORMON CHURCH CORRECTLY.  WONDER HOW SOMETHING AS SIMPLE OF THAT REFLECTS ON THE QUALITY OF THE REST OF HIS PRESENTATION.

    • ELIZ

      OOPS! EXCUSE THE EXTRA THE!

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    • Brandon

      One thing about Romney and all LDS people as far as influence of their church while in position to write laws. The members of LDS church believe in agency, it is how people progress, it is what God gave every person and what the devil wants to take from us. Romney wouldn’t try to legislate his believes. I think drinking alcohol is wrong, but I won’t vote for prohibition. Because people have agency to decided for themselves.

    • REPOST

      I thank Father Orsi for his column about this thoroughly American and non-Christian cult.  It is a fact that Mormons deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ.  They are, in effect, Arians.  Their beliefs grow more bizarre from that error, including their belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, and that Joseph Smith read “Reformed Egyptian” using “Seeing Stones.” It is a fact that they have changed their doctrines, for example, that black skin is a curse.  I very much recommend listening to three excellent lectures from the Institute for Catholic Culture on Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists–all related  The lectures can be found and downloaded at no charge, here:http://instituteofcatholiccult…Download them; burn them to a CD; put them on your iPod; listen to them on your drive home.  Prepare to have your eyes opened.The series is called, “Kingdom of Cults” and includes frank testimony from former members of these three cults.The Institute of Catholic Culture is a superb organization of adult evangelization and apologetics in Northern Virginia run by Deacon Sabatino Carnazzo, a brilliant and energetic Christendom grad who is laboring nightly to transform the metro DC area in Christ.Christopher CheckVice PresidentThe Rockford InstituteLike
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    • baguioboy

      A few points:

      The official name of the LDS Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the name of the Lord is not left out).  LDS people tend to have an affinity with Catholic doctrine, because both faiths believe that the authority of God is required to administer the Church and both believe that Peter was given this authority after Christ’s ascension (indeed, Mormons point to the same verses in the Bible for this, that Christ built his church with Peter as the rock).  The difference is that (as I understand it) Catholics believe the authority passed from Peter to the Popes, whereas Mormons believe that it was eventually lost and had to be restored.

      Importantly, the LDS Church has an official position of political neutrality:  http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/official-statement/political-neutrality    There was an exhaustively researched article at Slate magazine recently that showed the interaction between Romney, his faith and his politics as governor, which seemed to make it quite clear that he did not feel bound to adhere to LDS doctrine while in office:  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_conversion/2012/02/mitt_romney_s_abortion_record_flip_flop_or_conversion_.html  

      • J G

         The name issue is an attempt by Mormonism to portray itself as Christian. As it has been pointed out Mormonism is not Christianity. There is no evidence of a great apostasy.

        That said I do not believe Mitt will be governed by Salt Lake City. I am not absolutely thrilled with the idea of a Mormon President, but compared to the current denizen of the White House he will be a great improvement. At least he is competent.

    • J G

      For an amusing look at the Mormons vs. Catholics:

       http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12151179/catholic-vs-mormon

    • Debbiehoggan

      The name of Mitt Romney’s church is, “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”. The author of this article should have researched the correct name of an organization before authoring an article about the organization. Sloppy journalism generally when the name of the church is written incorrectly, but when the part that is omitted by the author is the name of Jesus Christ, that is offensive. I hope it was done in ignorance.