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    by Karl D. Stephan

    Mark Regnerus

    Because scientific progress depends so much upon how research is conducted and peer-reviewed, the matter of research integrity should be a concern for everyone. An acquaintance of mine, University of Texas sociology professor Mark Regnerus, has recently found himself in the center of a tornadic controversy over a paper he published last month in the Journal of Social Science Research.

    I am not an unbiased observer of this situation. I met Professor Regnerus several years ago at a dinner, and he impressed me as a pleasant, sincere Christian (he is a Catholic convert) whose presence in the field of sociology was a welcome one, because sociologists in general tend to be leery of personal commitments to organized religion. Regnerus is interested in the way sexuality influences and is influenced by social behavior, as evidenced by his earlier Oxford University Press book Forbidden Fruit, an investigation of teenage sexual behavior and attitudes.

    But with his latest paper, Regnerus stepped on a political third rail.

    The paper describes an extensive research project into the question of whether gay parenting affects the lives of children in measurable ways. The conventional sociological wisdom, represented by a fairly small number of research papers, says that there is essentially no negative effect of being raised by two mommies or two daddies, as opposed to the conventional mother and father. This body of work is cited by every judicial decision in favor of things such as adoption by gay parents and the extension of marriage to gay couples.

    Regnerus’s study, which he himself admits is not perfect, found otherwise. There were significant negative consequences of being raised by parents who were gay, according to the study. I am not going to address the controversial question of defining “gay” or how extensive the negative consequences were or how accurate and scientific the study was.

    Not being a sociologist, I am not qualified to pass judgment on these matters. What I am qualified to judge is the way the peer-review process has been attacked and corrupted after Regnerus’s paper was published.

    The idea behind peer review is that scientific publications should be judged by those most qualified to do so: namely, other scientists in the same field. That is exactly how Regnerus’s paper was judged. As is common practice in some fields, Regnerus was allowed to suggest the names of some reviewers, and as is also common, he had worked with some (not all) in the distant past. In specialized fields, this kind of thing is often unavoidable and does not mean that the reviews will necessarily be biased in the author’s favor. (Sometimes it works the other way!) In any case, the reviewers recommended publication and the paper was published.

    Then the deluge began.

    A journalist and self-described “minorities anti-defamation professional” whose pseudonym is Scott Rose wrote a letter to the University of Texas administration alleging that Regnerus’s paper falsified data. This is the most serious professional charge that anyone can level against a scientist, comparable to a malpractice charge against a doctor.

    The first wrongdoing (as I pointed out in a letter published in the Austin American-Statesman) was for UT Austin to act on such complaints from a person who was not in a competent professional position to make such assessments. Scott Rose is not a sociologist. Rose has since published the full “evidence” he plans to present to UT Austin, and it consists of two kinds of arguments. One kind comprises disputes over methods and definitions that Regnerus used. If Rose had been selected as a reviewer of Regnerus’s paper, these arguments might have played a role at that point. But Rose, not being a qualified sociologist, has no professional standing to make them, and they must be assessed on their merits by other professional sociologists.

    The other kind of argument consists of various ad hominem attacks on Regnerus’s funding sources, which include organizations such as the Witherspoon Institute that favor conservative causes. While taking funding from organizations with a political agenda is certainly a possible source of bias, in the field of sociology it is hard to avoid. Even the Federal government has a political agenda, and one’s source of funding cannot be construed as prima facie evidence of research falsification.

    Rose also cites the other outrage against the peer-review process: a special audit report written by a member of the Journal of Social Science Research’s editorial board on the question of whether the peer-review process that led to publication was flawed. The member, Darren Sherkat, found essentially nothing wrong with the peer-review process. Instead, he took the opportunity in the audit to review the paper himself, and used terms (“bulls—”) that in my opinion have no place even in a conversation about another colleague’s work, let alone a report on the integrity of the review process.

    I have not even mentioned the press coverage with derogatory headlines, the letter signed by over a hundred sociologists objecting to Regnerus’s conclusions, and the politically motivated letter-mobbing of the journal’s editor, James Wright, which pressured him to request the review audit. Releasing a draft audit to the media, as Wright did, was clearly a craven attempt to deflect hostile politically motivated attacks from himself. It showed no respect or regard for Regnerus, and probably did not even achieve its intended purpose.

    In an opinion piece published in the Chronicle of Higher Education, sociologist Christian Smith takes Regnerus’s side and expresses better than I can the point that the scientific integrity of the field of sociology is at stake here.

    I will ask a question. In the 1930s, many prominent scientists and engineers in Germany lost their reputations, their jobs, and some eventually their lives because of a non-scientific reason: they happened to be Jews, or outspoken Christians, or simply opposed to some political aim of the government. Everyone now agrees that this was a grievous violation of human rights, an early warning sign of the greater wrongs the German government would do in World War II. While that situation differs from the one Regnerus finds himself in by degree, does it differ in kind from what Jewish scientists suffered in Germany in the 1930s?

    Regnerus has reached scientific conclusions that oppose the prevailing political winds. Though his punishment has come from activists rather than official government sources, it is no less politically motivated and no less unjust. Smith thinks the integrity of the social-science research process is threatened by the “public smearing and vigilante media attacks” mounted against Regnerus. If such attacks are successful, we have taken a long step away from scientific integrity and a long step toward the encouragement of a political atmosphere that is totalitarian in its effects.

    This article is republished, with permission of the author, from his blog, Engineering Ethics

    The views expressed by the authors and editorial staff are not necessarily the views of
    Sophia Institute, Holy Spirit College, or the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts.

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    • Deacon Ed Peitler

      If anyone thinks we are NOT headed toward totalitarianism, his head is in the sand.  But, alas, when they have finished coming after the Catholics and others who dare to oppose their agenda, they will begin  coming after the rest. 

      I had a friend who long ago said, “Hate destroys the hater.”  In the end, they will just bring on their own destruction.  Satan can never get out of hell.  I think it is Dante who depicts him as frozen in place.

      • Nestacal

        My dear Deacon,  Don’t you think for one moment that Satan is frozen in place.  It is quite clear that Jesus said that there will be false prophets.  In Matthew, chapter 7 vs 15 it states Beware of False Prophets!   I beleive that our president is a False Prophet and he has a lot of corrupt rich men on his side.  Make no more statements about Satan as being Frozen.  He is doing quite well in these United States, as you can see by all of the violent behavior, all of the illness and the fires and all of the other things that all of the people are going through.  They looked on Obama as the great prophet….and what has he done?  He has spent a lot of our money on cars and houses and Solyndra etc. and you can bet that he doesn’t want anyone to touch him.  He is the worst president in my lifetime!  I am afraid if he is re-elected to the President for another 4 years!  

        • Carl

          I don’t understand your concern with the term “frozen in place.”  While I don’t believe that this term is biblical it does in an allegorical sense describe the limits placed upon satan both in his ability to influence souls and well as his physical presence in creation. 

        • StraightGrandmother

           Just what I love to read, a discussion on scientific research that includes comments referring to Jesus and Satan, LOL!

          • enness

            Well, you came to the website of Crisis Magazine.  It’s a Catholic publication.  Methinks Lemaitre, Mendel, etc. would not necessarily have seen a conflict.  Now if you do not have anything of substance to back up that ‘LOL,’ I suggest you yourself are not mature enough to play here. 

            • StraightGrandmother

               I had no idea this is Catholic website, I simply followed a link.

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    • Mrzeppa

      Ever hear of the pink swastikas?

    • Lifeknight

      Since Mr. Obama unleashed this hatred with his support of sodomite “marriage”, it seems there are more and more instances of attacking anyone who opposes their agenda.  Take a look at Target’s latest ad for their bridal registry.  Two men.  Simply awful.  We need to speak out.

    • Ford Oxaal

      Gay activists have succeeded in making every assenting, cud chewing American citizen-bovine a refined and worldly sophisticate.  The applause awaiting anyone who gropes toward the giddy heights of universal Gayness is irresistable.  It’s so easy.  Anti-Gay demons lurk everywhere, just like those ugly witches in Salem.  Christians, conservatives, and other boring groups out of step with the drumbeat of Dionysius are still out there.  And if something so sobering as reasonable discourse casts a shadow on the Gay agenda (which is secretly the erection of sacred phalli, or Herma statues throughout the realm) in a scientific journal, well, clearly there is no movement toward pleasure in that.  QED!

    • Proteios

      Two things.
      1. This type of research has always annoyed me as a scientist, as they soft step any real conclusions, so one is left asking what the real conclusions of the study are. This vaguely suggests that perhaps maybe there are differences and that pinpointing the exact nature of this inevitable shift is warranted. Ok, so make a cler call to action for more study. Anyways, the sampling seemed better statistically thn the author gives himself credit for.

      2. All special interest groups deny or suppress research that disagrees with their marketed conceptions. Gays deny research that suggest they are at most 1-2 percent and not 10 percent of the population as widely claimed. The climate change induced by changing atmospheric composition is denied by oil companies and their apologists in congress and planned parenthood and sympathizers deny the 2 to 10- fold enhancement of cancer risk associated with hormone based birth control. All backed by science. All denied by groups with questionable motives.

      • Ford Oxaal

        Nor do you need statistics and million dollar studies to reveal the obvious:  children raised with their natural parents in a coherent family unit in with traditional sit down dinners, highly restricted media access, and prayer have the greatest advantage in all categories — success, happiness, fulfillment, etc.  But when statistics back this up, it is unpersuasive beyond those who already get it.  That’s because society is largely corrupt these days, and really only cares about “self”, even at the expense of children.

        • http://twitter.com/holybullies Holy Bullies

           Ford, that’s just it. Many children are not raised with their natural parents. Some lose their parents through death and some are taken away because their home environment is not the best place for them.  The problem with your mindset is that it ignores reality that not all children will be or need to be raised by their natural parents.

          • enness

            No it doesn’t…but this is not any less the ideal to aspire to.  Adoption is virtuous, but to be an orphan is still a tragedy.

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    • Scott Rose

      If you don’t understand that in a study that aspires to make a test-group/control-group comparison, the comparison between the test group and the control group has to be a valid one, you should put on your jackass ears and bray like the donkey bigot that you are.  Read the gay bashing comments from your followers; you are bigots.  Regnerus hasn’t reached any “scientific conclusions” at all.  In fact, his published conclusion contains an inference of causality that he did not test.  Can you even read?  Or are you just determined to let your bullying non-acceptance of gay human beings override your intelligence?

      • SK

         If you truly are the Scott Rose mentioned in the article, your repeated, childish insults of the author make you a hypocrite for claiming to be professionally against defamation. Or are those not favorable to your worldview free to be defamed as you see fit? Be consistent, and professional, sir.

        • John200

           I like your measured comment. It might be too late for this Scott RoseThing, if it is really him. But the reader can see what is going on here.

      • Ty Villas

        and you are a hate-monger, I assure you

      • John200

        What a pitiful specimen you are, Scott Rose.
        If you had any intention of meaningful comment and perhaps even a worthwhile exchange, … well, you don’t, so that’s a dead end.

        Read the normal person-bashing comments from your fellow homo”sex”uals all over the internet; you are a bigot. You have not reached a conclusion at all. In fact, you just emptied your diapers (methinks you will get to know diapers much better in the future).

        Can you even think? Or are you just determined to let your bullying non-acceptance of a better man’s work override your intelligence?

        You are pitiful, I assure you.

      • Bob_Barnes

        Scott is spot on. An initial review has already shown flaws that the study was not fit to release. A more comprehensive investigation will prove this study had motives and hopefully will launch a full investigation. Scott has done the scientific community a great favor by exposing this sham… research is not for sale.

      • Ford Oxaal

        The study shows some scary possibilities, I will admit that.  Is it somehow unscientific?  Certainly you would agree the study’s validity should not be determined by who can feign the greatest offense, and shriek the loudest.  As far as societal acceptance/promotion of homosexual acts, or any sexual acts – I can assure you that the well-being of children does not need more messaging about sex; it needs less.  Society should frown on satisfying the sexual appetite the same way it should frown on satisfying any appetite which is divorced from the reason for that appetite.  The reason for the sexual appetite is procreation and the survival of society.  The reason for the hunger appetite is for nourishment and the survival of the individual.  Any appetite can be elevated to an ends in itself, but this does not lead to happiness — only an immediate pleasure which soon wears off. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Manuel-Little/100002173749027 Manuel Little

         YOU are bigots. All your ad hominem accusations can be posed against your own statements.

      • enness

        Wow, Mr. Rose…you just deep-sixed the neutral opinion I had of you even after reading the article.  Could you come off like any more of a jerk?  You are one to talk about bullying and bigotry.  Possibly you don’t care, but perhaps you should.

        Way to represent.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003586781928 Magdalene Prodigal

      They will attack any one who voices a truth that is not in agreement with them.  They will seek retribution and do it with great venom, all the while claiming to be a victim.  I am afraid their antics have made me lose all sympathy for their perverse cause.

      • StraightGrandmother

         That will work out just fine as we don’t want your “sympathy”

    • Terrygeorge

      methink the integrity of social sciences was severely compromised long ago.  kudos to regenerus for his courageous work toward correcting that.

      • Greg B.

        Sure – it’s the overwhelming majority of social scientists whose integrity is compromised, not the anti-gay researcher who was paid by an anti-gay organization to produce research that supports anti-gay propaganda.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charle-King/100003868624339 Charle King

      Nice try but Mr. Stephan omitted the fact that not only Christian Smith was involved in the study, but he didn’t even talk about the reasons why some folks felt the study was fraudulent. Smith – and I see Stephan also – omitted that over 200 scholars called Regnerus’ study into question. Finally, I find it ironic that Mr. Stephan attacks Scott Rose for not being a sociologist seeing that Mr. Stephan is not one himself, but a professor of electrical engineering.

    • StraightGrandmother

      Dr. Regnerus slapped on the scientific sexual orientation label of lesbian or gay based on the respondents answering “Yes” to question S7
      (S7) From when you were born until age 18 (or until you left home to be on your own), did either of your parents ever have a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex?

      This is equivalent to doing a study on Catholic Parenting and counting as Catholic anyone who remembered that their parent had at least once visited a Catholic Church.

      +200 Leading Scholars sent a letter to the Editor of the Journal objecting to Dr. Regnerus’ methodology
      Letter available here-
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/102183691/Regnerus-Research-Scholars-Letter-to-the-Editors-and-Advisory-Editors-of-Social-Science-Research

      Downloadable and sortable file of who signed the objection letter here=
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/98888308/Who-Signed-Against-Regnerus-New-Family-Structures-Study-June-29-2012

      There are other MAJOR problems with this “research”.

      • Fitz

        What is this persitant attempt to use comment boxes of articles to try and discredit the basis of the article rather than discusse this issue intelligently.

        StraightGrandmother already posted these links below and has now posted them again…this is spam and not intelligent discourse

        • StraightGrandmother

           Count much? Links listed one time in my comment above, geesh no wonder you don’t understand the fatal flaws of this “research” you can’t even count.

          • enness

            Chill, both of you: I am in fact seeing some of my own comments appear twice, that I know I only posted once.  Benefit of the doubt please.

        • SAC Crew Dog

          “I tell you — it’s no use arguing with a Communist. It’s no good trying to convert a Communist or persuade him. You can only deal with him on the following basis… you can only do it by having superior force on your side on the matter in question — and they must also be convinced that you will use — you will not hesitate to use — those forces, if necessary, in the most ruthless manner. You have not only to convince the [Communists] that you have a superior force — that they are confronted by superior force — but that you are not restrained by any moral consideration, if the case arose, from using that force with complete material ruthlessness. And that is the greatest chance of peace, the surest road to peace.”

          – Winston Churchill, speech, New York, March 25, 1949.

    • Fitz

       In a  study that makes  test-group/control-group comparisons from a random sample, legitminate research need only make the comparisons that the data itself reveals. Unlike the selction bias present in numerous other gay parenting studies; Mark Regnerus study published in the Journal of Social Science Research uses a large and random sample that presupposes a dearth of optimal “families” that propagandists for same-sex parenting would prefer.

      Like any research paper, particular methodologies have certain drawbacks. To take these inherint draw backs and pretend they disqualify the research is to paint all research on this subject as invalid

      • StraightGrandmother

         You don’t get it. He didn’t find enough sexual minorities to make any analysis on.
        He found 26 people who responded that they lived with their mother + mothers girlfriend for 3 years or more. He found ONE person who said they lived with their father + their fathers boyfriend for 2 years.

        Actually he only found 2 people who said they lived for 18 years with their mother + their mother’s girlfriend and those 2 people turned out really well :) (not surprised).

        He did not have enough respondents who lived in lesbian or gay headed homes, so he had to expand the parameter of who is a lesbian or gay to include anyone who answered “Yes” to question S7.  No no no, see comment about a study on Catholic Parenting above.

        • Fitz

          Such are the limitations of random sample studies of this issue. Its not the researchers fault or bad science that makes same-sex households so rare. As long as it is all up-front and admited to in the study it is a valid study.

          Certainly not tainted by the selection bias present in most studies of same-sex parenting.

          Your problem is not with this study but with sociology in general.

          Obviously you and Scott Rose simply have an axe to grind.

          • StraightGrandmother

             Well to be accurate about ax grinding you should say, me, Scott Rose AND those +200 Leading Scholars and Clinicians + the hundreds of thousands of sexual minorities who have read the study …..

            • enness

              Is that impossible?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mickey-Bitsko/100003815336222 Mickey Bitsko

      Professor Stephan leaves at least one question unanswered: How does being an electrical engineer make one qualified to address this subject?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Manuel-Little/100002173749027 Manuel Little

         And you leave one question unanswered: Can’t you read?

        • Bob_Barnes

          Sorry, Manuel… it’s not answered in the article. But since we find this on a religious-based site, we know the motivations. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Homer-Thiel/1407870055 Homer Thiel

      Stephan fails to mention that the study was funded by the Witherspoon Institute and the Bradley Foundation. Both are anti-gay groups who share board member Robert George with the National Organization for Marriage, the leading anti-gay group in the country. These two organizations provided $785,000 in funding.

      Do you honestly expect that Regnerus sloppy study (where any person who had sex once with a same sex person, was automatically assigned to the “gay” category) would come to any other conclusion?

      • StraightGrandmother

         Well to be perfectly accurate the study never asks any questions about sex. The question asked was question S7
        (S7) From when you were born until age 18 (or until you left home to be
        on your own), did either of your parents ever have a romantic
        relationship with someone of the same sex?

        Anybody reading this, please tell me how much you know about YOUR parents sex life? I can tell you I know nothing about my parents sex life. Regnerus makes a leap he should not have in assigning the scientific sexual orientation label of Lesbian or Gay based on that one question above.

      • Greg B.

        Not to mention the fact that they’re attempting to use a study in which not a single subject was raised by married same-sex parents to form conclusions about married same-sex parents.

        • paulijini

          Exactly. I’ve read lots of people commenting on the personalities of other commenters, and the subject of political correctness, but…..
          The Regnerus study attempts to make conclusions about parenting by gay couples, but had NO SUCH COUPLES participating. Now, I don’t care who likes who, or who is offended by who, there’s plenty of that going around. But it is entirely understandable the right-minded, objective, and moral human beings are outraged by the kind of scurrilous conclusions obtained by a study author using such transparently fraudulent data. It’s classic data mining, confirmation bias, and outright cherry picking. How dare such an author as Mr. Regnerus claim the high moral ground in this fight? How dare his proponents sling the N-word against anyone who claims that the study is flawed? Anyone who can read this study can see for themselves. It’s not even a matter of opinion. It’s just a plain fact that this is yet another junk science study intended and designed right from the start to vilify and marginalize gay people. I guess the fundamentalist christians have finally realized that all that old work of Paul Cameron is too deeply tainted now to keep trotting it out, and they had to find a replacement. Paul, meet Mark. Shame on you Mark for bearing false witness against your neighbors. Shame.

      • enness

        You are incorrect, he mentioned about halfway down that it received funding from the Witherspoon Institute and similar organizations.  (I don’t like to play on either side of the ‘My Study Can Beat Up Your Study’ game, which is pretty much what it seems to come down to these days.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Manuel-Little/100002173749027 Manuel Little

      The same attacks based on hearsay, political masses, inappropriate (biased) questioning, ad hominem associations, and simple pure bullying to waste time could be pointed towards the research publications used to support the acceptance same-sex civil unions and marriages. The Ruth Institute has written about how ill-founded (and incomplete) those research publications have been, and that’s what really gets the opposition to University of Texas sociology professor Mark Regnerus into a rant. But, actually, it brings them out of their hiding places, and into the “open”. They didn’t like the backslash attention of the scientific community on their petty research projects. The Regnerus study has a lot of data. Much more time was spent gathering the data than it’s analyses, which are still on-going, and not just by Regnerus himself. What do people do when they don’t like the truth, or it doesn’t serve their purposes? They lie about it. But ‘science’ based on lies is not science. Science, by definition, has to be reproducible. And science would lose it’s power to gain grants if the scientific community is found to support lying. After a while, Congress won’t see much coming out of biased science, and the funding is stopped. At that point, all scientists lose out.

      • StraightGrandmother

         Well at least in our sides studies we correctly label people with the scientific terms of lesbian and gay. We don’t throw those labels around lightly without data to back that up.

        • enness

          Since when are those scientific terms?  I’m just curious.

          • StraightGrandmother

             Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Transgneder all all VERY scientific terms. This is why social scientists when doing research on sexual minorities, at the top of their reports typically define the terms they are using.  Typically this is done in two ways, you ask the people, or you look at their behavior which you are able to document.

            • Fitz

              “Typically this is done in two ways, you ask the people, or you look at their behavior which you are able to document.”

              Yes…and the Regnerus study asked in its survey if either of the child parents had been in a homosexual relationship.

              • StraightGrandmother

                 Regnerus never asked the parents. He asked their children. Fritz, please tell my about *your* parents sex life, do you know a lot about your parents sex life? 

              • rmthunter

                 Having a parent who has been in a homosexual relationship, without reference to the duration of that relationship, is not the same as being raised by a gay parent.  And that is only one of the questionable criteria Regnerus’ study used.

            • Bob

              The word “GAY” was coined by the openly sodomite community standing for “Good As You”, referring to their sexual practices as opposed to that of heterosexuals. “Gay” therefore is hardly a scientific term.

    • enness

      Getting out of here before I start feeling any more like a referee.  Yikes.

    • rmthunter

      It appears that Prof. Stefan has no means to rebut the actual criticisms of Regnerus’ study, since he declines to address their substance.  They seem to be quite valid, starting with the way he and his colleagues massaged the data sets and the way the peer-review process was handled.  According to Dr. Regnerus’ own description, the “raised by gay parent” category is a catch-all that only includes two people who were actually raised by a gay parent for a substantial portion of their childhoods.  And according to the reports I’ve seen, Dr. Sherkat, the journal’s auditor, did, in fact, find fault with the review process and the associated commentaries, including potential conflicts of interest.   And while Dr. Sherkat’s opinion of the paper may have been rather more earthy than one normally finds in scientific discourse, it seems to be fairly accurate.

      And as for Prof. Stefan’s analogy, I can only cite Godwin’s Law:  If you have to haul the Nazis into the argument, that means you don’t have  a valid argument of your own.  You lose.

    • usorthem3

      When you invoke Godwin’s law as your foundation, you lose the debate already. The study was bought and paid for by the supporters that wanted only one outcome, to use it’s animus lies against gay people for the 2012 elections. Follow the money of who paid for the study and it’s “results” and you find groups that solely exist to keep gay people as second class citizens because their bible stories tell them it’s what some god wants. Not a peep about eating shrimp or pork though, and even less on that multiple fiber clothing thing, BTW. nice suit. 

    • SK

      All the name-calling and snide remarks in this discussion thread by people on both sides of the issue are disappointing. The homosexual issue is indeed a delicate and emotionally-charged one for many people. But when we lead with our emotions instead of our intellects, especially in discussions like this, we look like fools and get nowhere. It reminds me of what Cicero said: “An orator is most vehement when his argument is weak.” Stay calm and lets all of us search for truth here.

      • StraightGrandmother

        It is unkind to tell us to pipe down, our ox is getting gored.

        • SK

           It’s unkind to remind everyone that we are adults and should be respectful in discussions for the sake of deceny and serious dialogue? Did that really bother you? Surely you must be being facetious, Madam.

    • Woodstock

      I’m sure a professor of electrical engineering is uniquely qualified to offer up an opinion about a sociological study. Your opinion will be given all the consideration it merits. 

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    • Martin S.

      Before I was uncertain about how to go about all this, but the actions of the pelvic left, here, there, everywhere, have forced my to take a side. Their zealots in the worst sense, unreasonable to the umpth degree, and will attempt to destroy anyone or anything that does not agree with their nutty cause. Whether this study is right or wrong proves nothing in the long run, just look at their tactics. Remeber just the other week, the whole “hate” chicken fiasco? Puh-lease. As far as I’m concerned it’s pretty obvious who the real bigots are.
      If your not pro-gay, you gotta go, simple as that.

    • Glen W.

      The study compares single parents that at any time in the past had a gay relationship to stable heterosexual parents.  Funny that there is no mention of that.

    • NDaniels

      “I am not going to address the controversial question of defining gay.”
      When the psychology does not fit the biology, a disorder exists.

      Since it is a self-evident truth that there is only male and female, (there is no other) we know that the term “gay” refers to relationship, not personhood. Those who identify as gay, have not been properly formed and fail to recognize that daughters grow up to be wives and mothers, while sons grow up to be husbands and fathers. They believe we are ordered not as male or female, but according to sexual attraction.

      There are many types and degrees of disordered sexual attractions, some more difficult to overcome than others. At the end of The Day, it is not only cruel to intentionally deny a child the Love of a father or a mother,

    • NDaniels

      Continued from below – It is not only cruel to intentionally deny children the Love of a father or a mother, it is cruel to lead children to believe that we are ordered according to sexual attraction and thus we exist in relationship as sexual objects, not as husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters…

    • NDaniels

      As the mother of a daughter who struggles with same-sex sexual attraction that was greatly enhanced by a date rape that occurred while she was in College, I have watched my daughter grow and develop and recognize she suffers from a serious developmental problem. It is because I Love my daughter, as I Love all my children, that I want her to learn to develop healthy and Holy relationships and friendships that are grounded in authentic Love. This has been a heart breaking endeavor, because we live in a society that has become so conditioned that we no longer recognize the difference between lust and Love and the fact that any act, including sexual act, that does not respect our inherent Dignity as human persons, cannot be an act of Love.

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