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  • What’s Your Lust Index?

    by John Zmirak

    As I warned when I started my considerations of the Seven Deadly Sins and opposing Virtues, there will be a test. Seven of them, in fact, each inspired by Walker Percy’s quizzes in his satirical work of apologetics, Lost in the Cosmos: The Last Self-Help Book. It’s a marvelous book: I only plagiarize the best.

    This week, I’m treating the crowd-pleasing trio of Lust/Chastity/Frigidity. As always, I’m in search of the fleeting Golden Mean. Before I dive in, however, I must make a stark admission: I write from the male point of view. Now, readers have sometimes complained about my prose’s testosterone content, which apparently leaches through the page even when I write of bloodless, neuter topics like the economy. No surprise, then, when the subject itself is sex, that my stuff is even muskier. When I sent an early draft of this to a female friend for her feedback, her eyes rolled audibly. She sighed: “You are such a guy.” Some of us take that as a compliment.

    Rather than trying uselessly to approximate the feminine point of view by dressing my brain in drag, I’ll just confess my bias right up front — and if I can’t offer lady readers direct insights, I can at least provide a bracing glimpse of How the Other Half Lusts.

    Let me preface the test with an insight I think almost as important to the understanding of masculine sexuality in its fallen state as psychologist Barney Stinson’s discursus on the relational significance of external erotic attraction and psychological dysfunction, “The Hot/Crazy Scale.” I have not yet submitted my own results to a peer-reviewed journal, so it’s best not to cite my work in your own research, but I can’t resist sharing with readers the Abstract of my discovery: “The Orange Traffic Cone Hypothesis.” It is drawn not just from personal experience, but interviews with hundreds of other heterosexual men, many of them deeply chaste and extremely devout. Here goes:

    From the age of eleven right up into Alzheimer’s, your average straight male walking down the street doesn’t see people in their various demographic categories — according to age, ethnicity, social class, etc. Nope. Instead, he sees his fellow humans breaking into two categories:

    1. Good-looking women.
    2. Orange traffic cones.

    I know what the kindly female reader is saying, the one who has many men in her life whom she loves and respects as fellow Christians. “Well, that’s not true of . . . Harvey! When he works with me at the soup kitchen, I know that he looks at each of those homeless men who come to us as human beings. In fact, he once said to me that he viewed each of them as an image of Christ . . .”

    Nope. Sorry sister. That may be what he wants or tries to see. But when he looks over the bubbling kettle of hot dog soup in the dim church basement at that long line of “people-who-aren’t-good-looking-women” (it’s a broad and, alas, all too common category) what he really sees are orange traffic cones. Now, when he looks at you, on the other hand . . . notice how his face lights up. That’s because you’re literally the first person he’s seen all morning. Try to take the compliment. He can’t help it. None of us can.

    Likewise, when one of us enters a room, the first thing our eyes scan for is someone attractive we can glance at, from time to time, just to keep our spirits up. The same thing with movie posters, magazine covers, and auto-tool calendars. That’s the reason advertising types stick pretty women almost at random into ads for all sorts of things. It’s not so much to stimulate Lust as to keep us from feeling lonely. In the midst of this otherwise dismal, lengthy meeting/subway ride/rosary vigil, there will at least be a few real live human beings, alongside all that orange plastic. Those of us who aren’t caught up in the deadly sin of Lust just take a flicker of pleasure from these moments, then look away. Want to spot a guy with a problem? He wears dark sunglasses so he can stare as long as he wants without worrying about eye contact.

    I have not embarked on the lengthy, Kinseyesque research that might be required to explicate Lust from the feminine perspective — and indeed, I think the very effort might constitute a near occasion of sin, so I’ll leave that task to those who might find the task less of a “trigger.”

    And now that my biases have been accounted for, on to the quiz, which is meant to help you diagnose your soul. Do you suffer from the deadly sin of Lust? Have you attained the virtuous Golden Mean, treating with due respect the created Good (Eros) whose abuse would lead to this vice? Or have you done such a good job of “mortifying” this particular passion that you’ve actually lurched into Frigidity? (That probably can’t land you in Hell, but it might make your earthly life a short-term substitute.) Answer these impertinent questions, and find out.

    One important note I’m adding to the printed version is this: “If you plan to write in the book, please think about the impression you’ll make on the next dinner guest who finds it in your restroom, or the children who dig it out of your secret stash, where you keep those pop-up Theology of the Body books, and your guiltily unread copy of The Secret of the Rosary.”

     

    The quiz: When you see an attractive, well-dressed member of the opposite sex, which of the following runs through your head:

    a) The pleasing pattern those clothes would make, spilled on your bedroom floor.

    b) A twitter of interest, followed by a quick prayer of gratitude for the goodness of Creation.

    c) The image of Miss Piggy, languorously swimming through a pool full of champagne — the only trick you’ve found to banish impure thoughts.

    d) A surge of anger at the torrents of filth to which decent people are subjected, followed by images of the souls of the Impure, falling into Hell like leaves in the autumn, just like Our Lady said at Fatima.

    If you picked:

    a) Time to zip up your libido, and quick. Read up on the connection between promiscuity, unwanted pregnancy, and abortion — and remember that every “unplanned” pregnancy started out as a raunchy thought just like . . . yours. It might also help to go home and Google some images — only this time, instead of “barely legal,” try “herpes lesion.”

    b) A wholesome thought. Ramp it up a little by actually praying for the person you found so . . . distracting. Wish him or her a happy marriage, and ask God to send you joy in your own vocation. Then, for heaven’s sake, look away.

    c) Whatever works for you, man. Careful that it doesn’t start to backfire; once you start associating sexual arousal with Muppets, those kind of neural pathways are really hard to alter.

    d) You’re not a lone “decent person” surrounded by sinners. We’re each of us fallen, and the first step is admitting it. (Just make sure that’s not also your last step.) Find a faith-friendly counselor — either a Christian therapist who accepts insurance (good luck with that one!) or a wise, compassionate priest. Schedule some serious time in front of the Blessed Sacrament, pleading for guidance and peace of mind.

    The Solution: If you think you’re in spitting distance of a serious problem with Lust, increase your prayer time and invoke the appropriate saints — for instance, St. Thomas Aquinas, whose libido was so robust that when his parents tried to ruin his vocation by locking him up with a harlot, he had to chase her out of the room with a blazing poker. For his effort, God granted him a lifetime of uninterrupted chastity after that. If you’re having similar troubles, chances are you’d benefit from:

    1) Increasing your daily exercise. Those old-time priests who drove their teenage charges into the boxing ring and the rugby fields knew a thing or two about human nature.

    2) Engaging in little sacrifices that remind your reptilian brain just which quadrant is in charge. Give up one tangible, sensory pleasure every day — such as smoking that second cigar, putting whole milk into your coffee, or letting your dogs crap on the lawn of your least favorite neighbors. Keep doing this until temptation diminishes, or those people finally move away.

    3) Spiritual reading. Here your selection depends on your situation. If you’re married, or someday hope to be, you might start with Old Testament texts that celebrate sexuality in its good and holy context — faithful marriage. The Songs of Songs and the Book of Tobit are a nice place to start. Move on to more theological works, such as Alice von Hildebrand’s By Love Refined or a book on Pope John Paul’s Theology of the Body.

    4) If marriage is out of the question (for whatever reason), it’s best to shove aside all such happy talk and work instead on finding peace with your situation. The Twelve-Step Serenity Prayer is remarkably powerful; if it can help aging rock stars stay off crystal meth, it’s certainly worth trying. Regular Eucharistic adoration is enormously comforting, as is frequent confession (find a priest who won’t either berate you for falling yet again, or shrug you off, explaining that the only sin is racism). Finally, adopt a program of nightly spiritual reading, with classics like Brother Lawrence’s The Practice of the Presence of God, Robert Benson’s The Friendship of Christ, or the forgotten masterpiece Gateway to Hope: An Exploration of Failure by Maria Boulding. This last book is one of the best I’ve ever read, so of course it is out of print.

    The views expressed by the authors and editorial staff are not necessarily the views of
    Sophia Institute, Holy Spirit College, or the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts.

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    • W.

      I’m confused. I thought the Serenity prayer was from Seinfeld: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZvY_LXJco&NR=1

      Serenity Now.

    • Pete

      1) Why is it that men “can’t help it”, as you say, in regards to the fascination with attractive members of the opposite sex? Should we feel guilty about this? I don’t know what to make of it.

      2) How does one draw the line, if there is one, between lust and simply doing something that one cannot help doing? I mean, this is amazingly (and I thought I was the only one!) true: “the first thing our eyes scan for is someone attractive we can glance at, from time to time, just to keep our spirits up.” It sounds odd to see it in print and admit to it, but there it is–it’s true. So is that lust?

    • Pete
    • John Zmirak

      Dear Pete,
      It’s important that we don’t demonize or prettify the inborn sexual responses of either sex. We work with what we have, and some of it (but not all) is an artifact of the Fall. The visual nature of male sexuality, and its more scattershot quality (initially) are likely NOT part of the Fall, since they seem to be common to most male animals. Resisting sinful urges doesn’t mean neutering ourselves, or learning to hate what God has made. I was always taught by solid priests (for instance, Fr. John Hardon, S.J., whom I studied with in high school) to register female beauty, then move on before it becomes a near occasion. Now this is harder (ahem) when you’re engaged in seeking a mate–in pursuit of your discerned vocation of marriage. Then it is a NECESSARY occasion of sin, and a cause for caution, not contrition. It’s important for the sexes to treat each other with charity.

      If Christianity did teach that male sexuality was evil, root and branch, we could draw from that an important inference: That the religion was Gnostic, and hence untrue.

    • Andy

      That’s were my $100 Amazon gift card is going towards.

    • Anna

      I was thinking, after the birth of baby 2, that that “easy” attraction on the part of men was indeed placed in them for a purpose: still being attracted to one’s wife even after birth, aging, etc. have taken their toll. And then how twisted porn makes this trait, making men less susceptible to the charms of ordinary (but still attractive) women like their wives and only seeing the computer-enhanced models as attractive.
      And my two cents on lust and women: we seem to have a much easier time appreciating male beauty (is it okay, guys, to phrase it that way?) and leaving it at that. But it is very difficult for women to allow men to be chaste because we are made, as men are made easy to attract, to want to be perceived as beautiful. But in a fallen world, women are surrounded by the message that “if he can resist you, you aren’t beautiful enough.” So we are pushed internally to keep being “tempting” so that we can feel beautiful; more of a “lust for lust” than lust directly, perhaps.

    • Anna

      Forgot to say, interrupted twice by said baby 2, that I don’t think that men’s “attractedness” was created solely for the purpose of finding only one’s wife lovely. That appreciation of (and need for) feminine beauty also is complementary to the female desire to be found attractive and still can work that way even in a fallen world. Attractive women can “keep your spirits up” and chaste men can give women the solace of feeling beautiful so we don’t try ever more desperately to force you to notice. [smiley=wink]

    • Sam Miloscia

      Thanks a lot for selling all of us guys out, Dr. Zmirak! lol
      Have a Blessed Christmas!

    • I am not Spartacus

      I was thinking, after the birth of baby 2, that that “easy” attraction on the part of men was indeed placed in them for a purpose: still being attracted to one’s wife even after birth, aging, etc. have taken their toll.

      Speaking as an Irish-Algonquin Crank from Vermont, I’d say that assisting at the Extraordinary Rite, reading Dom Guerangr’s, The Liturgical Year, and beginning each day in praise and adoration of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, nurtures and matures the Husband to such a state where he begins to see his wife with the eyes of love, not lust.

      IOW, to become a man, a male must return to school and be re-educated after having been deformed by the modern world into such a sad state that he finds satiety and self-righteousness in lust.

      To become a man, today’s males must return to old school Catholicism.

    • I am not Spartacus

      Your “The Bad Catholic’s Guide to…” are destined to be forever classics – especially is that true in light of the resurrection of the Extraordinary Rite and the numbers of young Catholic Couples, with large families, who are attracted to that Rite.

      That Rite, among all of the many other things it accomplishes, is the fount of that appetite for real Catholic truth it creates in the hearts and minds of its adherents.

      Your The Bad Catholic’s Guide…series (don’t ever change the name)presents to its readers a lively, and entertaining, explication of all that is True, Good, and Beautiful in Tradition combined with what is valuable in modernity, marinated in your unique brand of humor, and then presented in a format easily accessible by all.

      Reading them (I read them slowly because I never want them to end) I am constantly amased at how you have distilled the crucial elements of Tradition into such a lively popular form.

      DR. Z. you are a true treasure of modern Catholic life in America. How’n'hell did you ever arise to be an Apostle to the neglected generations abandoned by the Church since 1960?

      You have been Blessed, but your readers have been even more blessed being alive to read your sui generis generosity of traditional spirit applied to the world around him.

      Who knew that learning Tradition could be so damn flat out laugh-out-loud funny?

    • John Zmirak

      Thanks to all for the kind words and eager implementation of my suggestion we exercise charity between the sexes. That, not feminism or misogyny, is the only emollient that can answer the way our sharp edges hit each others’ sore spots. God bless you all, and please keep me in your prayers.

    • TDJ

      This is a delightfully disgusting post! I loved it! Thanks!

      Merry Christmas!
      -Theo

    • georgie-ann

      you’re making exactly the same point i’ve been thinking about:

      lust doesn’t just (simply) exist “isolated” within an individual (male or female) as their own “personal problem,” and i’m quite ready to believe that there is a strong natural attraction between the sexes that isn’t of the order of “lust,”…(if we’re so adamantly “pro-life,” we should be able to respect how “life” gets here!),…lust will pervert the perception and functioning of this God-imbued “natural attraction,” (designed to be expressed with love & respect, for oneself & others), and divert it from God-intended purposes,…this should be very obvious to most who observe the multi-billion $$ industries that thrive on promoting and indulging/enthroning “Lust” as The Ultimate Pinnacle/Goal/Achievement/Desire-Motivator in Life,…Las Vegas comes to mind,…my TV set comes to mind,…which is why it spends most of its time in the “off” mode,…no thanks,…& Pinnochio’s Fun-Land ride to disaster and potential oblivion,…

      it is apparent that Lust is a huge demonically-inspired & fed network of lures and impressions/temptations to attract and captivate the “innocent” unawares,…just like a drug, or that first cigarette, or the gambling “thrill,” or a very (much too) fast race car, even an extreme roller-coaster ride (apparently lust thrives on adrenaline rushes and ill-considered choices),…& of course, so obviously these days, the “juicy”/dicey/wanton seductions offered on the internet & ubiquitous magazine racks,…well, as was said, even the billion $$ advertising industry,…it’s ALL Lust, and when you put it ALL together for a good look at it, you just might be able to see:

      (1) how ugly it really is (if you’re lucky to really be able to discern/see that–if you haven’t already been completely hood-winked,…but if you have been, you’ll probably need to get a real good & painful “bite” from the system to help “open your eyes”)

      (2) how compellingly, from the outside in, it seeks to ensnare & entwine its victims into its purportedly “desirable” nexus,…(and i’ll mention here that allowing it to penetrate one’s “shield of innocence” could end up being a very dangerous proposition),…

      (3) how STRONG the magnetic aspect of these things is, especially via all the modern technical “enhancements” which allow it all to be revved up so MUCH BIGGER than Life itself, which causes normal Life dimensions and proportions to appear diminished and “less than” by comparison,…

      (4) how humans are drawn into an existential, but impossible, competition with these unrealistic images: witness cosmetic, fashion & body-beautiful industries & advertising; newer, bigger houses and faster “sexier” cars,…the “pretty” (i.e., “seductive”) image of “the girl” thrown in there (to catch the “male” eye?) is only a very small part of the problem!,…imho,…(and her “real life and self” might just be on a road to anorexic disaster,…if so, you should really be pitying her, rather than co-operatively “lusting” for her picture!),…

      i’m sure i could go on,…but i’m also sure you “get the picture,”…THEREFORE, it makes complete sense that turning away from these things–which literally try to position you (the victim) in a co-operating/compromising position, so that the author of all this chimera, satan, can “secretly draw you to himself” and “suck out your soul”–(nice, huh?)–(repeating), it makes COMPLETE SENSE that TURNING AWAY from this vortex/”feeding frenzy” of undesirable incessant brutal subjugation of the “innocence within” to the maniacal depravity from without, and TURNING INSTEAD TO THE MORE RARIFIED, CLARIFIED ATMOSPHERES OF GOD–reading, prayer, the holy mass, adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, confession–will quite naturally allow a return of peace and better thinking,…

      as with any drug, there is withdrawal,…tentacles that have been allowed to take hold/penetrate need to undergo a process of removal,…as with any magnetism, the farther away one can be from the source, the less the effect,…

      because of the “fall,” we humans are probably more vulnerable to the influence of these things than we care to admit,…but i think it is important to realize that SO MUCH of what affects us in this way is streaming in from the outer environment,…it is desperately trying to find a “hook” in us, or plant a “hook” in us, (kind of like a computer virus!), and if we’re wise we’ll decide not to feed on its soul-less offerings,…

      i would imagine that there is hardly an “old folk” among us, who doesn’t pity the youth of today,…robbed too early of their childhood, their delightful time of innocence, and continually assaulted and bombarded with some of the most depraved offerings imaginable,…and all in the name of “entertainment?”,…

      (next time i’ll tell you what i really think!),…

      never a time like the present to turn away from the “sin(ful)” offerings of the world, both disguised & obvious,…and turn to the Holy God who made you, created you, loves you,…who “knows all about it,” and wants to “set you free” from the outer contamination of the “lustful” world we live in, and bring you inner peace,…

    • Sarah

      What’s a female “orange traffic cone” to do??
      … Put on a habit and imprison herself from the world, I guess …

    • Martin Sanders

      It’s interesting to read that my instincts to look at other women are in-built.

      I’m happily engaged to a woman who I regard as the most beautiful woman on earth, i’m very much in love with her. Yet as I walk [alone] down the street I can’t help letting passing women catch my eye.

      It’s always the same, I suddenly notice a female and feel it is important for me to “check her out” though I don’t know why, moments later I feel guilty like i’m cheating on my Fiancee by looking that way at another woman.

      I don’t imagine those women naked or anything, it’s really just taking a note of their figure, shape, curves, almost to make sure it’s all there and she is definatly a woman… sounds odd I know!

      I enjoyed the article.

      God bless,

      Martin [United Kingdom].

    • John Zmirak

      RE: Georgie-Ann,
      Not trying to be snarky or obnoxious, but I think if you took the quiz you probably picked d). Remember that Scrupulosity and its associated issues are as dangerous as Laxity. I think that most of our Lust problems are exaggerations and distortions of good things, and that a fierce reaction might prove counter-productive. It doesn’t seem to help much in Islamic sub-cultures in the West….

      RE: Sarah,
      Few people are traffic cones to everybody. Most people find someone, if they’re willing to set realistic expectations. I know one unemployed, deeply indebted compulsive gambler who lives with his parents at 45… who expects to date beautiful women–why should he”settle”? Well, maybe so he won’t end up alone. The same process works for both sexes.

    • georgie-ann

      …you did indeed get me wrong,…if you read my opening statement, you would notice a big thumbs up for the God-given STRONG natural attraction between the sexes,…i just very much object to calling it one and the same as Lust,…is that better?,…

      the root source of actual Lust, that takes on a demanding life of its own, is a very negative, debilitating and insatiable spirit that i believe should be recognized for what it is–if you’re going to talk about it–as it really is a big part of the modern marketing “machine,” and goes about disguised in many forms, and even passed off as harmless,…(and some individuals, probably from indulging its “playgrounds,” actually do have serious, and perhaps dangerous, personal & de-humanizing problems with it),…perhaps you do not “see” or agree with that,…perhaps you have not been hurt or affected by these things,…perhaps your “innocence” protects you,…i could hope that all children’s innocence will protect them, but statistics say it “ain’t so,”…

      i was going to go on to say at some point, that it is said that “to the pure, ALL things are pure,” which might possibly fit some peoples’ situations of living in this lust-influenced modern life,…but i also personally hold very strongly to the principle of “the truth setting us free,”…to confuse the beauty of natural attraction with lust, semi-automatically, strikes me as being somewhat self-defeating,…and turning a blind eye to the effects of a lust-polluted environment seems foolishly self-defeating as well,…i just don’t think we’re very clear about these things in our culture at this time,…

      i worry about today’s children “introduced” to and molded by the shallow mind-sets of TV junk-for-youth,…i cringe when i sit with a darling little Catholic family that i’m quite fond of, and realize that these kids sit and absorb all these examples and impressions of bratty, mouthy, and seductive young people in their contrived (by adult writers) situations, and then proceed to copy-cat this into their own lives,…i’m not making it up at all,…i’m watching it happen before my very eyes,…it seems to be programming these kids to re-enact in their own lives this seductive, magnetic facsimile of life, replete with illusions of childhood glamor and sexiness and inter-personal game-playing & back-stabbing,…it is just so vain and inappropriate for that age group,…

      so, maybe i’m not talking about you or your particular examples,…if i’m honest, i would not have really chosen any of your answers,…first of all, they seemed designed for a man,…but i’ve lived in “the attractive woman’s shoes” (il y a longtemps, to be sure), and quite honestly it wasn’t “all that,”…you work hard to “keep up appearances,”…you attract a lot of junk,…and eventually, you learn to value the friends who value you and like you and want to know you as the person you know yourself to be,…as a result, i tend to try to hold off reacting or judging by a first impression,…it’s become kind of a habit,…i try to be universally kind (unless they’re ramming into me with their shopping carts), and look deeper into the people i see and meet,…i’m not all that impressed by appearances anymore,…especially if it’s noticeable that the person in question is impressed with their own appearance,(i.e., narcissistic),…

      i also rub shoulders with a culture full of attractive people, who are so kind and good to each other (me included), that their attractiveness is not what stands out!,…they are quite generous toward each other as friends, and i feel that they accept the opposite sex and are good to each other in a broad, collective way, as opposed to trying to have and maintain individualistic, isolated and possessively defined relationships,…it strikes me as being much better in many ways,…

      i realize you are a humorist, and maybe you think i’ve completely missed your point,…you were very forthright as to your male bias,…so much so, that i felt entitled to proclaim my own bias,…i’m very happy with the people i seem to have attracted into my life, and who are attractive to me in a very wholesome, exciting and fulfilling way,…these people are not glamorous empty shells, but “somebody is home” inside some very nice exteriors,…many are quite talented,…we’re all a work in progress, and we’re not always exactly “on the same page” at the same time about anything,…& it’s fine,…i’m blessed to have prayerful and supportive connections among members of both sexes that are a mutual blessing, very special, very devoted and very strong,…it’s very Catholic and very LOVE-ly,…i feel quite blessed,…and i’m neither naive, nor scrupulous,…

      i found it cute, when reading the comments, to see that the men were kind of compulsively drawn to seek out the presence of a (an attractive) female in the crowd (so they wouldn’t “be alone?”),…in the past, i have enjoyed thinking about the sun-moon relationship as a picture of male and female, but in my mind, i’ve always characterized the sun as “independent” and the moon as relatively “dependent,”…but i smiled to see that the “sun” felt compelled to experience tangibly that “moon” presence,…nice admission,…i think in the “old days” it must have been just as true, but nobody wanted to admit it!,…

    • John Zmirak

      Thanks for the clarification, Georgie-Ann. I think as an English teacher I was prejudiced against what you wrote because you didn’t punctuate and capitalize. You could write the Declaration of Independence that way, and it would look to me like crazy talk. Viz:

      we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness…that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men… deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed … that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute new government laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness….prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes… and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed… but when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism it is their right it is their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security….

    • Joseph S. Wisk

      A fine collection of comments.

    • georgie-ann

      …sorry about the de-emphasis on caps, etc.,…i just recently got this lap-top, and previously had only used a non-electric type-writer, typing with both hands and assiduously using caps and periods as per training,…but that was a very looooong time ago, when i was able to sit up straight and tall in a hard chair and type,…i now am much more comfortable reclining and supporting the laptop with one hand while pecking away with the other,…so making caps has become a really intentional process, and i prefer not to interrupt the flow as frequently as it would take to do it one-handed for all possible occasions,…anyway, i have seen other bloggers handle it this same way, and it works for me,…one person explained to me that it was preferable to not use ALL caps when blogging, because it seems like “yelling” to the readers,…

      thanks for the re-read of the Declaration of Independence,…i didn’t have too much problem with it,…and thanks for answering,…i’m very enthused about having real and honest “conversations” about important topics in this manner,…

      (correction for post #16 …indulging in its “playgrounds,”…)

    • Secretly smiling

      Hey, Martin, from a woman’s perspective, let me tell you that I’ve been that woman who’s eye has been caught. And it’s never more than that, but when he sees me, and I see that reflection of appreciation in his eyes, there’s a most powerful compliment there that words can never pay me. It’s wonderful, it’s magic, it’s instantaneous and it’s so…instinctual. That it’s not planned and just happens makes it all the more meaningful to me.

      It doesn’t lead to anything. For us who are married – or are about to be – well, it never should. But to deny that it’s there would, to me, be sad. A look like that can make my day. And, if you want the truth, it makes me feel so pretty, so desirable, that well, erm, my husband tends to get the benefits of my acting out on those feelings. I’d say it’s a win-win, eh?

      I have to say that in some cases the man who has shown appreciation in his eyes that mean the most to me have been priests; and some of them I’ve come to know as good, orthodox priests. I suppose it’s that part of their manliness that shows itself that I hold in esteem (come to think of it, if they don’t ever find any woman pleasing to the eye, I detect trouble!)

      But I don’t think what you describe is lust at all; it’s, as the clever Mr. Zmirak says, proof that – at least at that moment in time – I am not a traffic cone. It’ll take it.

    • georgie-ann

      the way a woman inhabits her own distinctive form of beauty, inner & outer, has a lot to do with the way others perceive her and treat her,…

      along with Secretly, i agree (i think) that personal self-respect, together with a trans-personal identification with beauty/loveliness as being a special quality imparted to women–(refined to selfless perfection, of course, in our example and inspiration, our Blessed Mother)–enables us to shine our God-given essence into the world without “selfish design,” jealousy, intrigue, shame or guilt,…

      as i have been maturing in many things over the years, i have found that Love–as the foundation of ALL of God’s good gifts to us–becomes less personal and more selfless and generous along the way,…actually, the less personal, the more beautiful, luminous, and inspirational,…and, btw, much harder for others to resist!,…(so, “traffic cones”–an absolutely “horrid” designation, btw–take hope!,…the more you love faithfully and selflessly, the more beautiful and irresistible you become,…i promise!,…)

    • Ingrid

      I wish I had never read this post. I makes me long for the days when men understood between them that these feelings existed, but so as not to sadden/offend the ladies, such thoughts would never be communicated to the females in their lives.
      Knowing that, as a 39 year old, graying, mother of 6, I am clearly a traffic cone (and probably always was one) has been seriously bothering me ever since I read this article on Christmas Eve. I have cried at least three times. It has made me rethink a lot of events in my life only to realize that as I labor intensely to raise holy children, my husband leaves the house each day and “can’t help” but be attracted to other women. It makes me realize why I was never asked to a dance, never a boyfriend in college and am never satisfying enough to the man who married me, though he wasn’t “attracted”. While, as a woman, I desire greatly to be loved, appreciated and to know that my husband “only has eyes for me”, now I know that that shall never be. The future, as I age, only holds more traffic-coneness and that the man I thought would dedicate his life to me really holds other ideas in his head. It has made me “hate” this quality in a man and seriously question God’s design to create such a creature only to create another creature who depends so much on being accepted/loved totally.
      By the way, it sounds like Secretly Smiling is clearly NOT a traffic cone and has found a way to religiously justify those coy flirtatious glances she is gathering copiously.
      As I said, I wish I had never read this article.

    • TeaPot562

      I reflect upon this discussion. At marriage my wife weighed less than 140 lbs. After 5 children, 54 years of marriage, a hysterectomy and other surgeries she is somewhere over 210 lbs. I am no prize myself, but she still turns me on. Because of arthritis, she needs a lot of help different ways. She still has a gorgeous smile when ai say something that pleases her.
      Again, thank you, Lord, for this blessing.

    • georgie-ann

      …i couldn’t agree with you more,…and truly sympathize with your feelings,…i think it is a symptom of “the times,” and how “threatened” generic males & females have become, having been so severely “dwarfed” by all the (empty) glamour & glitz and homosexual dominance of the entertainment industry, that so many “buy into,”…

      even though it makes things tough for a “real” female, i think it is much harder on developing males to find their true masculine identity in the middle of all this, and for that reason i am willing to “cut them some slack,” as they grope around to understand and find and identify a position of “normal” within themselves,…the last thing we need to do is suppress the good natural inclinations within them, as there are currently so few solid, faithful manly examples around to tutor them and strengthen them in this by their wholesome and trusted presence,…

      there is a level where this does feel “sad,”…i’ve certainly been there,…but in a way, i have to be thankful also, because the “predicament” has drawn me so much closer to God’s love, so much closer to the Blessed Mother, so much closer to the real “me” that God made, knows, loves, understands, and never ever treats in such a callous and insensitive way,…

      it sounds to me as if you’ve been a good and faithful wife and mother, and you should also have a good reward,…remember, everything in this life eventually passes, so “giving it your best” and doing everything “as unto the Lord,” while in the middle of all this worldly “craziness,” is really our only choice,…and it can help change/improve your perspective,…

      i do believe we’re in a spiritual war in these “modern times,”…and too many people are already “victims” in distress from experiencing all the “lies” that abound,…but all the more reason to keep our faith strong,…we long for external supports, but feel them slipping away,…the crass “women’s lib” personalities also threaten the manhood of our sons,…it’s A VERY DIFFICULT TIME,…& i also do not find it particularly amusing,…but, Love, in particular God’s Love, can help us find and keep to the Way,…

      my heart goes out to you,… i know exactly where you’re coming from (i think!), and wish you all the best,…God Bless,…

    • georgie-ann

      we hear it said all the time that it is hard for men to express their deeper feelings of love,…and this can be hard on the faithful women in their lives,…mothers, girlfriends, wives,…hopefully a good man knows the relative importance of, and the difference between, passing surface “attractions” and the things of deeper value in his life,…many good wives intuitively understand their husband’s deeper devotion, even though he is quiet about it,…

      where, in fact, a man’s personal vulnerability comes into play regarding personal exposure/expression of deeper feelings, i cannot say,…but i know for many that this exists, and surface banter is simply easier for them,…it’s sometimes good if we can “read between the lines,”…

      and then we have this new generation of male “crass boors,” who are so unapologetically self-centered in all that they think and do that it is really pretty unpleasant and unrewarding dealing with them,…are we slipping into “as it was in the days of Rome (B.C.)?”,…hopefully, though it seems doubtful, some of this will be a quickly passing fad,…meanwhile, please God, give us patience, understanding, fortitude, love and wisdom,…

      and, P.S., i’m not much of a fan, myself, of eye-contact flirtation/invitation, but for young people, i think it’s probably a legitimate part of the “finding a mate” process,…

    • CD

      Ingrid – I think you are missing the important point that this article was about lust NOT love. Please, please don’t confuse the two. Lust is only equivalent to love in our twisted popular culture.

      Myself, I am a married woman who has been unable to have any children. I do wonder if when my husband glances at another woman (and he does), if the thought crosses his mind that her fertility might be superior to mine. And if I happen to catch another man’s glance, I think, “You moron, don

    • Jim Skully

      The priest who said “register female beauty, then move on before it becomes a near occasion” was offering very good advice. Why? Because once a male begins to fixate on feminine beauty, a male begins to act funny towards it, because he begins to want to acquire it—and the mind begins plotting.

      But that fixation/obsession is a head fantasy and objectifies the woman. If acted upon, it leads to self-destruction.

      I have found that the best way to personalize *all* women—especially the ones I find deeply attractive—is to imagine for a moment that they are family members. The fact is, no matter how attractive one’s sibling is, it is impossible to lust for him or her. And we are in fact a Catholic and human family. Thinking of women as true sisters in the faith can help foster healthy human relationships focused on good. Somehow, the family relationship humanizes everyone and places relationships in their proper context.

    • Jim Skully

      Ingrid,

      Your focused desire and mission to raise a good family are *priceless*, and men of any maturity and substance know this. As scripture says: “Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, But a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised.”

      You sound like that kind of woman, and both God and good men will honor and appreciate those qualities in you—including your husband.

      But you must remember that our present vapid culture has a warping negative influence on men and women alike. Since we’re all battling it, I bet it is possible that your husband needs to re-read the Book of Proverbs from time to time and/or be spurred on to increasing nobility by a friend or priest. Even the most culture-warped men can be saved from soul-crushing lust through ideas like honor, nobility, and protection of one’s spouse and children.

      There is no doubt that the proverb is true: External beauty is fleeting for everyone, and internal beauty is hidden treasure that is worth everything, as time reveals to us all.

      Don’t cry. Virtuous character is true lasting deep beauty.

    • D.B.

      …because it makes something that is designed to be shared, something that is self centered and disordered.

      A husband and wife shouldn’t be looking to get their kicks elsewhere. Love is much more than Boobies and the desire to look at them (or on the flip side, women wanting a guy who is more like a Michaelangelo sculpture). Waking up next to a woman who you’ve given your heart to, a woman who even if she is big and pregnant causes your mind to skate into naughtyland as you think about that next nap together…that is the goal, fellow gents.
      The pay off is the shared moments…the knowledge and nudge in your heart that you are indeed fulfilling God’s plan, and in so doing have brought more happiness to yourself and to her than you ever would as a “Swinger.”

    • Theresa Foley Henderson

      I’ve a little twist on the “attractiveness” feature that is ONLY the first step towards lust.

      I’m an artist, and I know all about the human form, inside and outside. I am often caught looking intently at a person as I study their bone structure and observe how their muscle structure lays over their bones.

      I can also tell a lot about a person’s soul by the expression which most rests on the face. I know the face of chronic pain. I know the face of bitterness and anger. I know the face of a person dying of a disease is marked, first with lines and fear, and finally acceptance.

      The soul of a person shows in the face, and acts through their hands. When I paint a portrait of a person I fall in love with the person from the soul out.

      When I did massage therapy for the bedridden in the hospital, before I became too crippled from a series of falls, I looked upon the bodies of my patients as my child in pain. There as a man who was paralyzed from the waist down, from a nwound to the spine, who used to scream obscenities at me, not wanting my white hands on his body. I healed his bedsores and one day he stopped yelling, and said “I felt THAT”, when I was working a muscle down the left calf. I tried on the other leg and he felt that too. The nurses came to see why we were laughing like a couple of hyenas, instead of them hearing his cursing me.

      He asked me later “Why did you keep coming back with me mouthing off at you like that?”

      “I adopted you as my son whose soul was in pain worse than his body.”

      “Lady, ain’t no white woman ever could birth a man this color!”

      So I told him how Jesus took on human DNA and that goes all the way back to Adam and Eve, and that same DNA runs in all human beings, and so, we are all related through His adoption through the flesh. And because of what Jesus did on the cross, we’re are all adopted through the soul now too. I told him he needed a mother’s love and so I asked Jesus’s Mother to touch him through me and my hands. He eventually learned to walk with canes, and 9 yrs ago he sent me a picture of his newborn son with the notation “I got that back too.” Lost track of him when I married 7 1/2 yrs ago.

      It is like I imagine I see these people through the eyes of God. I learned that ability from my Mom Helen E. Foley who also was an artist, and my Dad James R. Foley, a farmer and factory worker.

      Appreciation is not lust. Appreciation of a gift of roses does not make me less love my lilacs and dandelions. (I’m painting a picture of gold finches feeding on dandelions gone to seed in my yard, because one day the neighbors came to complain of my weeds and we sat amongst my “weeds” and the conversation stopped completely as they watched the finches and even a chickadee wrestling with the dandelions…I love my neighbors, they leave my yard alone, and they still have their own nice lawn , and last summer I’ve noticed a few dandelions in their lawn…..) I love goldfinches, yet I also admire appreciate the jays, and house finches, sparrows, cardinals, nuthatches, woodpeckers, robins and doves.

      I have a very old apple tree in my front yard and I don’t harvest the apples, too tart and too wormy. But in the end of January we discovered we are on the flight path for robins heading north. I counted 23 robins pecking away at the apples one late January day and photographed it. And ran next door with the photo (the same neighbors who had complained about my weeds) Sharon burst into tears and hugged me so tight I was breathless, saying thank you thank you thank you… She told me she’d just gotten back from her mother’s funeral and her mother LOVED robins. She felt like it was a gift from God about her mother’s love.

      I still get a great laugh out of the tall white egret standing in my small bird bath trying to eat the plastic frog, which my neighbors also observed from their lawn chairs. They since provided me with birdseed as well as they cut down their bushes which kept them from observing the activity at my feeder and bath. The side effect of the cut down bushes was they were also able to see that I had fallen and couldn’t get up, and came to my rescue. I fall a lot.

      My point in all this rambling is God made us all beautiful, it is only how WE exercise our free wills while looking at each other that allows lust or love.

      My Mom and Dad had 8, 6 living still, and my Dad put up with my Mom bringing paid models into our home, to her studio in the basement, for her art classes, and those were male and female models, most wore only a g-string garment.

      My Dad was a little Banty Irishman with bowed legs, and was missing 4 fingers on his right hand from a punch press at work. My Mom looked like Lucy Lawless, her black hair was down past her waist and when braided was a thick as her wrist, she stood 4 inches taller than Dad, and everybody on both sides of the family wondered why SHE would even LOOK at him. Her Dad, Edwin L. Graf ran with the Ford motor rich crowd and she had her pick of the rich young men, and even years after they were married I witnessed one man come to our house and chase her around the table telling her he “would take her away from all this poverty”. I kicked him in the ankle and yelled “Leave my Mommy alone!!!’ And she laughed so hard he left.

      Mom told me “Your Dad was the only man who didn’t try to get into my bra and panties while we were dating. He respects me.”

      I was even a model for her classes as a child thru 19 (when I left to art college), always with clothing on. My favorite class was when one man painted me and he made me look like George Washington with long brown hair. His wife said so, and he was hurt, he appreciated that I didn’t mind a bit. I told him George was wanting a portrait done, picked him and guided his hand, we laughed, tension eased. Gosh that was 34 yrs ago… wonder whatever happened to that painting, I know they have both passed away. …

      love.

    • Theresa Anne Henderson

      dear Ingrid,

      i’m a child among 8 born, but 6 living siblings.

      My Mom had bouts of sleep deprivation, which I suspect you are having, and occasionally we were sent on sleepovers as a help to Mom, until we were older and could actually BE of help to Mom. mini-vacations , my mom called them.

      You are doing a LOT of giving, and perhaps not getting just quiet time with your husband that you need to replenish your inner Love resources. If you aren’t a part of homeschooling network yet, they are of a GREAT help. You do not have to be a homeschooler to tap into the resources.

      God bless you for the courage and love you show to the world and especially to God the Life Giver through the births of your children.

      I am thinking of you and adding you and yours to the Book in our Perpetual Eucharistic Exposition Adoration Chapel at St. Joseph Parish Lake Orion MI.

      You too John Zmirmack.

      love.

    • Richard

      I’m a little late to the argument, but I felt so bad for Ingrid, I had to comment. When I was a kid, raised as a Catholic with mostly Catholic friends, we had a different set of standards for women. The kind we would love and marry and the kind with which we would share our lusts. That was before Jesus grabbed me by the scruff of my neck and pulled me kicking and screaming back and more clearly into the faith. Married for almost twenty five years, I can assure Ingrid that there are a few of us, who when we leave home don’t go about lusting after women. We may be a small minority, but we love our wives and follow Jesus’ teaching not to lust after women.

    • georgie-ann

      Genesis 3: 16 To the woman he said,
      “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
      with pain you will give birth to children.
      Your desire will be for your husband,
      and he will rule over you.”

      a thought here: this was the part of the “Curse” addressed to Eve (the “first” Eve) after the Fall in the Garden of Eden,…

      but, Jesus came that we might be redeemed from the Curse, our sins forgiven (personal–and collective?), and that we might be healed,…He paid a ransom for many, that we might be freed from the Curse, by dying on the Cross for us and in our place,…

      to me, this means that when mankind continues on the low level path of behavior and reactions and interactions that correspond to this fallen male-female pattern,

      (1) he/she is “acting out” according to the conditions of the Curse, and to the effects of satan’s deviously achieved influence over humanity, from which we have now been set free in Christ,…

      (2) in blindly following this pattern & re-enacting it ad infinitum, we, in effect, deny the Salvific Grace of Christ’s Work on the Cross,…

      (3) in the Garden of Eden, it was not originally Created/Designed/Set-up to be like this,…

      (4) we have been provided a New opportunity and paradigm in Christ on which to model and establish our relationships and interactions, and return to “Original Bliss,” or something better anyway, because “in the Beginning, it was not so,”…

      (5) since we have been blinded as a result of the Fall, we tend to identify with Life on Earth as we find it, with commonly enacted behavior patterns,…we take these things “for granted,” as givens,…we don’t realize how much God wants to free us from this “torture,”…wants to re-establish Himself as our First Love and First Lover,…get our vision back on Him,…restore our Originally-Intended God Connection,…after which, the male-female relationship would no longer resemble the fallen mess that we see re-created before us each and every painful day,…

      i’m going to assume that Christ is not only a model for all of us, but also for men especially,…and that the Blessed Mother (“the second Eve”) is also a model for all of us, but perhaps for women especially,…

      i’ve heard some denominations preaching from this description of the condition of fallen men, as if–”taking the Bible literally”–”it pleases God” for men to dominate (“rule over”) their subjugated, unappreciated (unhappy) wives, sometimes accompanied by some dramatic fist-thumping on the puul-pit, just for emphasis,…i find this to be incredibly ignorant!,…and poor Ingrid’s lament was very real and touching evidence of the pain women experience living under the effects of this “fallen condition,”…

      this is also why those who have mentioned looking to Christ in First place, (women, instead of sole dependence on the husband, although you may certainly love him too!,…and men, should i say, instead of your vanity? (probably not), loving your wife strongly after Christ, or should i say in concert with Christ? (probably),…

      well, there you have it!,…the inklings of a New Order to right the wrongs and disordered relationships that have resulted since the fall and satan’s unwelcome penetration into our collective lives,…BUT, co-operating with Christ and in Christ (no better place to find Him than in the Catholic Church), it IS possible shed these tortured skins and habits, and GROW into the men and women He would have us be,…

      Love,…

    • georgie-ann

      to shed

    • georgie-ann

      “this is also why those who have mentioned looking to Christ in First place, (women, instead of sole dependence on the husband, although you may certainly love him too!,…and men, should i say, instead of your vanity? (probably not), loving your wife strongly after Christ, or should i say in concert with Christ? (probably),…”

      my apologies for this truncated, garbled incomplete statement,…the phone and doorbell both rang almost simultaneously & i got side-tracked without getting back on track,…

      anyway, obviously, women still experience pain in childbirth, while inter-personal conditions persist as also described in the Curse of Genesis 3:16,…(see post #33),…certainly we may appeal in prayer for help in child-bearing, but i wasn’t “arguing” anything about that aspect of things,…rather, i have seen for myself the potential for reversing some of the complications of the male-female description in Genesis 3:16, “…Your desire will be for your husband,and he will rule over you.”

      that aspect of the Curse did literally “come true” for me,…and it was “most shocking” and unpleasant, because i certainly had not been raised in a family where this was the going/unquestioned mode of male/female inter-personal behavior,…

      the years of “youthful stupid” dragged on, until one day in utter frustration, i cried out to God something about, “what have i done to deserve this?,…why are YOU letting this happen to me?,…how can i ever be happy ‘under these circumstances?’”…and at that point, as clear as a bell, although i was just railing without expecting an answer, i both saw and heard Christ, who was above me, kindly smiling, and said, “well, what are YOU doing ‘being under those circumstances?’”…stunned beyond belief i answered, “i thought you wanted me here,”…and He said, “oh, no,…it hurts Me as much as it hurts you!”….well, talk about a “duh!” moment,…i asked one more question, which was, “what should i do?”…and He said, still smiling (which i found quite frustrating, because i think i had just been beaten physically), “Come on up!”

      i can’t say that i instantly ascended into better climes, physically or spiritually, but i’m sure that that was “the beginning of the end” of the situation as it existed, and decades later, i can surely testify that God has been faithful, as i have endeavored to act prayerfully on His Word,…i’m not going to say that it was easy,…i didn’t find an earthly “Golden Road” to follow, but spiritually i believe God and true Christian friends were with me, as i endeavored to complete as pure a walk before Him as i could manage,…at this point, in any case, i am satisfied, (as in “all’s well that ends well”), as well as blessed!,…and i’ve learned and been healed of quite a lot in the process,…

      i meant to say that as we graft ourselves through Christ and His Church back into a connected and healed relationship with God, that was broken and separated in the Fall, when this is our primary re-established relationship of First Importance, then we are changed and have new personal and inter-personal dynamics possible to us,…

      for men, designated “head of the wife, as Christ is Head of the Church,”…as in nourishing and taking care of it/her, but certainly NOT as in brutally or callously “ruling over” a craven, subjugated, demeaned womanhood,…(Ephesians 22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church

    • Bobalouie

      Theresa Anne Henderson; You have been given the gift and wisdom to recognize beauty and you wrote so eloquently about it. “Not as the world gives…” I am not an artist, but I crave beauty, especially as seen in flowers and birds and animals and in a 75lb 98 year old woman named Tootsie who lives at the hospice house where I work.

      Ingrid, remember that scripture: Proverbs 11:22 “As a jewel of gold in a swine’s snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.” We all have the experience of meeting a person, only to have our impression of them seriously altered from the initial fleeting one, for instance when a beautiful woman turns out to be a vindictive self centered shrew… don’t we all recognize that person as “ugly”? Once again Ingrid, don’t sell your husband short. You ARE beautiful, you have to be, it is built into your nature as mother and spouse and child of God.

      Byzantine Catholic Father Thomas Loya of Chicago preaches on this very subject, I highly encourage men who struggle with lust to listen to his lectures.

    • georgie-ann

      …one of the most beautiful things about you is your utter transparency and personal honesty,…look how many people you have touched already, who love and care about you, and wish to reach out to you!…and if we do so easily, how much more is God watching over you–the beautiful person you are and the good works that you do!

      be encouraged!

    • John Zmirak

      Dear Ingrid,
      Sorry to stir up unhappy thoughts, but having known several husbands whose wives had surrendered in the area of personal appearance, I’ll repeat a few of the things they’ve said to me, wistfully:

      I wish my wife would wear make-up and perfume….
      Or color her hair….
      Or be more physically affectionate….
      Or initiate romance more often….
      Or any of those other things that drew me to her in the first place, that make me feel like a MAN, and not just a Dad, or (as I suspect in my darkest moments) a “cash and sperm donor.”

      I’m not sure if any of that will be relevant to you, but I throw it out there for general reflection. St. Francis de Sales warned women that they had a duty to help their husbands stay faithful by keeping themselves up as best they could. Men have the same duty, of course.

      Happy New Year!

    • Ingrid

      Mr Zmirak,
      I have waited almost a week hoping that you yourself would respond to my post. In the meantime, I have reflected much and there have been many encouraging responses that helped me to look at things differently especially the biblical verses. They were kind and helpful.

      However, your response was a real shock. Since the crux of your article did not depend on your assesment of so many women being defined as “traffic cones” I expected that your response might be something like this:

      1. I didn’t mean to suggest that every woman other than the “beautiful” have the same worth as an inanimate object
      OR
      2. The picture at the top of my article was perhaps a poor choice to respresent all but the ladies I consider to be hotties.

      Instead you make some quick assumptions about my appearance and take time to lecture me over them. Yes, my hair is gray but, it is cut with a modern flair and though I exercise daily, am not overweight, have never missed a day of wearing make-up, frequently initiate romance and out of respect for my husband’s allergies do not wear perfume, I still am NOT a beautiful woman. I am still what you call a traffic cone.

      And yes Francis deSales did admonish women on keeping up with their appearance as did St. Josemarie Escriva who is a much more modern reference. Trouble is that for ladies these days there is a HUGE and insidious sliding scale of appearance aids which we must reconcile ourselves with in order to “keep ourselves up as best as we can”. Make-up and perfume at one end and, as the scale slides, we have hair-color, manicures, pedicures, botox, electrolysis, lipo-suction, breast implants…shall I go on? My point is that what defined “keeping up” in the 1960s (when Escriva lectured on just this subject)is NOT what ladies today are faced with. What men are focusing on in that crowd of traffic cones is the woman who most closely resembles the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit women. How unfair!! This is what we must “keep up with”!?!

      The real sadness which overwhlems me is the casual and seemingly accepted assumption that unless a woman is gorgeous she is a good for nothing in the eyes of half the population.

      My suggestion for all the men reading this article is that when entering the room of people, instead of seeking out the gorgeous gal to pick yourself up do one of these two things:

      1. Find the ugliest girl who is clearly trying to keep up with her appearance. Perhaps she is wearing a pretty hair barette. Maybe she has clearly tried to match her shoes to her purse. Or maybe she has done her make-up and hair just so. But still she is not attractive. Then imagine how very much she KNOWs that she is ugly and yet she STRUGGLES to convice SOMEONE that she is pretty anyway. Let her courage be your “pick me up”.

      OR

      2. Find the ugliest girl who has clearly done nothing to make herself look pretty. Now imagine that in her lifetime, at some point, whether as a child or a teen or adult she stopped trying to “keep up” because of her keen awareness of her ugliness in the world. And maybe there was in her life to tell her otherwise. Let your compassion for her convince you that you don’t need a “pick me up” – SHE does.

      Mr. Zmirak, I liked what you had to say about temptation but I did not like your basic, unchallenged assumption, that it was perfectly normal to think of as dirty, gutter-lining, traffic cones any lady who does not “light your fire”.

      P.S. When I was 18 years old I knew an 80 year old Russian woman who told me that all men are unfaithful to their wives at least once in their life. I argues otherwise but she was adament. I was so dismayed and saddened that I never forgot it. Her statement colored my view of the world permenantly. I have to say that your article will reside in my mind right next that memory. It has utterly stained my perspective of men. I will never forget it.

    • John Zmirak

      I leave it to other readers whether this last is a charitable, or even a just, response to what I’ve written. No, Ingrid, you’re not going to get an apology from me. Your first response to this article, apart from being cringe-worthy in its slinging of “too much information” accused me of being less than a gentleman for pointing out, in a rueful and light-hearted way, something that is a perfectly obvious fact of Creation. I wasn’t discussing whether every human being (including all members of the same sex, and all children) except those one happens to find attractive are “good for nothing,” but rather commenting on the visual nature of male desire. There is nothing wrong with it, so I question your self-pitying willingness to “seriously question God’s design to create such a creature only to create another creature who depends so much on being accepted/loved totally.” It strikes me, frankly, as blasphemous. Passive aggression… that’s what’s really ugly here.

    • georgie-ann

      i find myself surprised by your response(s), as well as Ingrid,…

      (btw,…i may attempt to send this in dribs and drabs, because i just lost a post in sending, for reasons i do not quite understand,…)

      it strikes me as incongruous to claim “light-heartedness” as an underlying motive in a theme that ends up with such intense more-or-less personal characterizations as “blasphemous” and “ugly,”…

      since you are definitely a “professional,” i can assume–possibly–that you have more “at stake” in preserving your (authoritative) public persona, than the average Jane or Joe,…we can afford to be vulnerable, i guess,…but i cringe a little at some of your very dismissive remarks, as this is not “just another English class,”…

      i think Ingrid has some interesting and worthy suggestions in her offerings,…ideas that, if considered, could expand one’s psychological possibilities and horizons, rather than just preserving the “same old/same old,”…and this is usually good in my book,…

      i also hope that your “light-hearted” presentation on maleness does not include a subliminal misogynistic and superiority undertone,…it’s hard to tell,…i’m very new to this web-site,…and i really and truly hope that you-all (i’m Southern in origin) are not overly elitist,…

      i do not intend to offend, but desire to participate in discussions openly and honestly, but definitely from my own point(s) of view (though i listen to and study others’),…i’m certainly not trying to fit into someone else’s box (even–or especially–an English teacher’s!,…as a matter of fact, i thought i was through with those!)–as there are enough vain opportunities in life to do that–but, rather, to express myself in my own way,…and basically for my own reasons,…

      “the Truth will set us free,”…God’s Truth certainly,…but i also need to see and express what is truth (in process) for me, just as Ingrid needs to express her truth,…and you yours,…the contradictions that appear, i would hope would call us, as Christians, to be willing look more deeply than “face value” in a generous and understanding manner,…

      even Paul said that he was willing to forgo certain things that were OK for him to do, (because of his perfected “faith level,” i guess), in deference to the “weakness” or sensibilities of another in the body of Christ,…

    • John

      Cheer up, Ingrid,

      As a woman, you have at least the potentiality of being a non-traffic cone.

      As a man, there is no possibility for me to be anything but a traffic cone.

      Guess I’ll have to look for fulfillment elsewhere…

    • Homely Housewife

      Wow, Mr. Zmirak,
      Your comments to Ingrid are astonishingly arrogant. As is your comment to Sarah–perhaps she can find a compulsive gambler who lives with his parents. He’d be happy to have her in spite of her looks!

      It must be difficult to be a traffic cone (male or female) in one of your classes. But it must be even more difficult to be an attractive woman, knowing that you are using her to “keep your spirits up.”

      I am a traffic cone. But I’m also a happily married woman, with a husband who loves me and finds me attractive. This in spite of the fact that I have lots of gray hair, wear no make-up and have an ugly scar across my lower torso. Or maybe those are some of the things he finds attractive. He never had much tolerance for women who spend a lot of time putting on make-up or getting their hair done. And I got the ugly scar from a c-section, giving birth to one of his children.

      My husband drives to work every day, works in an office with a bunch of traffic cones, and drives home. If he needs something to “keep his spirits up” he looks at a photo of one of his precious little children. They are, after all, the reason he gets up and goes to work every day.

      Your way of looking at the world is incredibly shallow. I was going to say that I feel sorry for your wife. But somehow I get the feeling you aren’t married. You certainly have a lot to learn about beauty and attraction.

    • John Zmirak

      I will make a final clarification here, after which I will stop reading this thread. In the column, I referred to “good-looking women.” Not fashion models, not Sports Illustrated airbrushed models of artificial perfection, but simply members of the opposite sex a given person finds attractive. Of course, these vary widely, as people like different things, and men with less “bargaining power” (i.e. 5’6″ men of moderate incomes like me) are drawn to more realistic prospects, as they learn from experience that they won’t GET Susie Swimsuit. I was not advocating that men hold in contempt and ignore a) all other men, b) all women they aren’t attracted to, c) all nuns, d)all married women or e) all children, I was simply analyzing the visual nature of initial male attraction–the way God made us–and offering a few tips on how to manage male desire, given our Fallen nature, without demonizing male sexuality and implicitly or explicitly condemning God’s creation.

      I also tried to provide some male perspective, garnered from the experience of men in marriages where the “spark” has gone. I didn’t make this personal, but when someone hauls out his or her own personal experience in order to commandeer the discussion, claiming that an Internet column has scarred him or her for life, it becomes hard to respond without seeming like a cad. A clever bit of rhetoric there. I don’t believe it for a minute.

      I stand by everything I said, both in the column and in the comments.

    • John

      Sorry, my last comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I think I didn’t make that clear enough. My clumsily-made point was that you can’t put the burden on someone else to make you happy or to find fulfillment–it’s putting an unrealistic expectation on that person. I don’t think Mr. Zmirak was singling anybody out in particular as a traffic cone, but even if he was, who cares? Why let that ruin your day (or days)?

      As Mr. Zmirak recognizes, Ingrid has shown by her comments that she is quite capable of rising above taking offense at this article, but yet doesn’t.

    • georgie-ann

      …except that i don’t think that we, as women, should even buy into this unfortunate “traffic cone” appellation at all,…i’m pretty sure that if i could see any of the women who have written in here, i would find them incredibly interesting looking, especially after hearing what they’ve had to say,…a truly family-loving and self-sacrificing woman usually has nobility written all over her,…in the facial lines, the natural graying hair, and the contented “grandmotherly” comfortableness of a perhaps somewhat extra-cushy body, pleasantly but simply dressed,…ah!,…i’m relaxing already into dreams of yester-yore, complete with the cookies-baking-in-the-oven aroma of youthful days gone by, spent with some of THE most beautiful, simply unselfconscious and generous women i have ever known,…the stuff wholesome inspiration is made of!,…

      young ladies, maturing ladies, please do not “sell yourselves short,” just because it feels as if some other self-appointed “authority” has publicly done so–resolutely (even defiantly?) holding to his position, leaving us feeling that chivalry must have surely been suffocated-to-death at some sad point in the last few decades,…

      i don’t tend to interfere with my own grown (gorgeous/wonderful) sons, “working out their own (lives and) salvation with fear and trembling (hopefully),”…and i do truly realize what a difficult proposition it is for any younger person in these seductive/perverted times to find/make/establish a clear and rewarding life-path for themselves, successfully and happily, including others,…

      but i would in no way be sympathetic to witness the tendency in them to pointedly classify others in such a broad uncomplimentary manner as being as uniformly uninteresting, unappealing, dull, unworthy of attention and individual respect as anything as inanimate and ugly as a traffic cone,…AND,…especially if such remarks had proven to be as suggestedly hurtful to said parties as happened here, i would certainly encourage them to make amends in some sort of healing overture,…it’s pretty obvious that Ingrid’s comments did strike a resonating chord among others,…

      but as there has not been even a glimmer of acknowledgment and forth-coming in this, i’ll have to decide to take the simplistic pronouncements of Mr. Zmirak as just that,…kind of obstinately, in-your-face simplistic, ladies, if you please,…well, whether we do or not, or whether there really IS a better way to handle this, “it is what it is,” and kind of “speaks volumes” all by itself,…

    • Retired Babe

      I hope that Mr. Zmirak will do us the favor of compiling these all into a book at some point.

      I’m quite happy to be a female traffic cone. There was a time in my life when I was not, and found the attention to be most painful.

    • Ingrid

      Mr. Zmirak,
      I really have to tell you that you really are a brilliant humorist after all. And I am not being sarcastic at all. Follow me here:
      1. I really and truly was terribly sad over parts of your original article because I saw you as an authority on the subject. The fact that you are male gives you at least some insight that I do not have and the fact that you are employed by “Inside Catholic” to do such a weighty series gives you even more authority. As such, and in combination with the fact that I carry a melancholic temperament (somewhat prone to depression and despair), I was really dismayed at the “insight” which you gave. I took it as fact and wondered how silly I could have been not to have known it already.
      When I posted, I did not intend to commandeer your thread but, rather, I really wanted for you to relieve my “suffering” by some assurance that it “really wasn’t as bad as you had first stated”.
      2. Alas, no such salve was administered on your part. An experienced married man knows that when a woman is sad he should be careful as not to tread on her heart because a woman’s sadness can quickly turn to anger and, as you well know, “Hell hath no fury like a woman’s scorn”. Rather than illustrating a passive-aggressive personality, your insensitive response turned sadness to wrath. Thanks to you, I was stunned out of my despair. Kudos to you!
      3. But your real feat occurred during your final responses because you literally made me laugh! I cried I laughed so hard! I laughed like a giddy school girl and thanked Theresa Anne Henderson for entering me in her prayer book. (Jesus does answer our prayers and often in quite a different way than we thought He would!) You see, your responses were so uncompassionate, harsh and ludicrous that I knew that this whole incident didn’t have to be filed along side a Russian woman’s sage advice! Instead it could reside in the old circular file! Logic would have it that if you could write such garbage in your responses then the original article must be garbage too!!! I feel so light hearted because I realize that none of it was true to begin with and all the kindly men who responded gave voice to this fact.

      So thank you! You turned out to be a great humorist after all. My sadness was turned to joy! I hope you do check this thread again so that you can receive the compliment. (Though you resolved to ignore this post from here on out, I suspect that that Choleric temperament of yours might draw you to it.)

      To all the folks who responded so kindly to my plight, I really was helped and heartened by your replies. I am going to print them so that I can use them to cheer me up from time to time.

      Lastly, to Georgie-Anne: Please start your own website or get a job with Inside Catholic. I will be your first fan. I think you have some wonderful insight and you are a great writer with compassion and zeal. (To refute Mr. Zmirak, Good typing doth not a good writer make….) I will miss this little drama only so much as I will miss reading your delightful and meaty thoughts.

    • georgie-ann

      i have to agree, Ingrid,…(just between you & me),…men can prove to be quite hilarious once you quit taking them so seriously, even at some of their most “serious authoritative-sounding pronouncement” levels,…

      i mean no serious disrespect here, but it is pretty much always important not to swallow everything whole, without taking things apart a little bit to evaluate the soundness and context of the basic information, the interpretation or spin being given to it, the characteristics of the source of this interpretation and spin, and so on,…

      after all, you have a brain, a mind, life experience, and heart-felt convictions of your own to offer,…none of us is going to have ALL the answers, ALL the time,…so learning to creatively listen to ourselves and to one another becomes a wonderful adventure in discovery,…open dialogue such as is possible here with well-intentioned people, is one of the greatest modern sharing experiences that we have available to us,…

      btw, thank you for your kind and supporting words,…i have no idea how the InsideCatholic thing is set up, or if they even like anything i have to say,…i can assure you that i am personally a very devoted Catholic in very traditional ways,…i come from an idealistic family deeply involved in education, and have had a varied background with lots of opportunities that i’ve been very grateful for,…i’m retired from being a college chemistry tutor, and spent the last decade of my life being present to my mother throughout her time with Alzheimer’s,…as i’ve emerged back into more active life, i’m involved in church music, especially with the Spanish community in our parish, and enjoy it “mucho,”…

      God is good,…Life is good,…not always easy, simple or straightforward,…but we can always be learning new things, sharing things we’ve been blessed with, & so on,…after awhile it is good to become a “giver” of all that we’ve personally been blessed with, and leave most of the rest of the “concerns” to others,…there are always new people, new ideas, young people, new cultures, new questions,…i like to “work” in the zones where i’m already comfortable, and leave a lot to others, without becoming too overly concerned with the “specifics” of how and why they are doing (or saying) what they do (or say),…many things have a purpose or relevance in a context that isn’t particularly pertinent or relevant to me,…perhaps Mr. Zmirak’s work is in such a category,…i’ve been grateful to be able to respond openly & honestly in this situation,…that’s all,…we (all of us) have been having an interesting dialogue with one another,…

      i think i’m probably better at responding to ideas that someone else has already “put out there,” than trying to come up with my own presentations,…but i’m hoping to be able to keep blogging on this site, so i’m sure we can find some more good topics to “dig into” together,…Ingrid, your honesty is refreshing,…it’s been a pleasure!,…

    • John

      Ingrid and georgie-ann,

      If your comments are an indicator of the way things really are (I acknowledge that they may not be), you need to take some time honestly looking in the mirror. And I’m not talking about physical appearance in this case.

    • georgie-ann

      please feel free to elaborate,…

      do not “get” the point of your point,…

    • John

      It is exasperating that you so completely misunderstood what Mr. Zmirak was getting at with this article, even after his later comments; and instead of working toward a correct understanding, you rather congratulate each other in your misunderstanding.

    • Drina

      I think that one of the ways that men are most able to compliment women is balancing our being over-emotional. Sure, there are times when we are sad and need consolation. Other times, we get all bent out of shape over nothing, and we need a man’s cool reason to pull us out of it. It seems to me, Ingrid, that that is just what Mr. Zmirak was trying to do. I was at first sorry to see that the original article had affected you the way it did. The more I read of your first response, though, it was plain to see that you took it way too much to heart, partly by misunderstanding it. It seems that Mr. Zmirak did the loving thing by not giving you a pat on the shoulder and apologizing. He gave you the good-for-you “Buck up, and make the best of it.”

      I’d also like to add here that Mr. Z did point out that different women are attractive to different men, and I think that is a consoling and important point. We could go on about how different qualities in women make them more or less attractive, but that would be diverging.

      The point is, Ingrid, that while I don’t know if Mr. Zmirak was right about everything, he had some valid points. You went to the extremes of despair over it and then of not taking him seriously at all. As we women tend to do, it seems you have let your emotions rule you this way. Perhaps Mr. Z did not deserve the total confidence and trust you placed in his writing in the first place. Neither does he deserve your scorn now. If it were me, I would be thankful that he didn’t give in to my emotional pleading for consolation in the first place.

      Georgie-Ann- I have to agree with the Declaration of Independence analogy. It is indeed very hard to get through your posts and understand what you are saying! Proper punctuation and sentence structure remain in writing for a reason – they help the writer get his/her point across and the reader understand what that point is. I am getting lost in your writing!

    • georgie-ann

      …i believe that initially i did try to propose a more or less appropriate support/defense for this up-front self-confessed “one-sided,” male perspective,…and even though i personally considered it “very limited” to begin with, as it was clearly defined in that way, it had the effect of eventually “opening up a can of worms,”…which in turn, led to further elaboration and more clarification, on my part, of more of my own point of view on the topic,…which i felt entitled to do,…why would i bother to try to put forth someone else’s point of view who is “not me?”,…they are allowed to do that for themselves,…

      in general, i’m very polite, considerate and respectful of men (women, too) in public, church concerns and my own professional contacts and family,…lots of times i’m content to “sit back” and let the guys “run the show”/make the decisions, even if i might, once in awhile, think that i “have a better idea” or find their chosen trajectory slightly skewed or ill-advised,…i may interject my cautionary comments, but usually figure that most of the problems are such that they will work themselves out or eventually “come out in the wash,”…in practice, i’m not much of an alarmist, much more of a willing facilitator, and am usually trusted as fairly wise counsel and a peacemaker,…(that is, unless you would be inquiring of a rabid atheist or such ilk),…i really do try and expend myself in “going the extra mile” of effort and understanding to bring about a successful consensus and positive communal result,…

      having experienced the “down side” of the on-going belittling effects of an un-believing male’s critical attitudes and attacks against me throughout much of my adulthood, and having survived/emerged well enough to eventually be happy to “be my own person,” i have also been VERY SURPRISED (because my self-image had been so belittled and shredded) to find out how many wonderful Godly men (and women) that many people obviously respect–including very beloved and noble Catholic priests and Monseigneurs–trust me and support my little efforts at being a Catholic humanitarian,…as a result of both of those things, i’m more inclined to “stick up for myself” and others who i feel have been somewhat “caught in that same trap,”…

      i see no reason for a God-fearing Catholic woman to accept imputed or suggested failings/guilt/insults/demeaning speech/or otherwise negative pronouncements as to her character or value/worth from some self-imposed “authority” on the subject who hasn’t even met her,…i can tell you from personal experience that it’s a psychological trap that men, especially, fall into much too easily,…and when they do, they are really stubbornly closed to seeing or admitting that “they” are actually doing this,…oh, of course not, because they are “right,”…

      of course, one way to “get along” with this objectionable behavior, is to deny one’s own worth and/or real thoughts, take the back seat AGAIN, and “pretend” that “getting the point of” or “understanding where Mr.(or Mrs.) So-and-so is coming from” is all that is really necessary here to “keep the peace,”…BUT “real pretending” is also “real lying,” and it “will NOT set us free,”…so this is a game that i, personally, do not play anymore,…

      i guess you could say, “i’ve come a long way, baby,”…and–whether you or anyone else “thinks so” or not–i’m not only happy about it, but proud as well,…as i’ve said over and over in other places, God IS very very good,…and i feel like a “survivor” and Living Proof,…

      Drina,…not only do i not have the ability to do caps easily at present–my co-ordination for lap-top handling is still in developmental mode, and i am truly an old dog trying to learn new tricks here–but i think and write in complex run-on sentences!,…always have,…missed the writing focus that emerged later and trained people otherwise,…in my day, this was appreciated,…probably another “old dog” thing,…i’m afraid i have at present no other aspirations than to be able to “weigh in” honestly from my own life experience, studies, and faith point of view,…i think a lot, pray a lot, do not watch TV unless inescapable, so i’m not afraid to consider that i might have some “original” things to say, that might be of interest or use to someone else,…probably the “shoe” i offer only fits a few,…

      John,…i’m sorry that my happiness for Ingrid, and a little tongue-in-cheek rejoicing for her newly found freedoms, was offensive or worrisome to you,…i think the bulk of what i had to say was quite reasonable and palatable,…sorry if you don’t find it so,…really,…(-:

    • John

      georgie-ann,

      You can take this or leave it, but it might help you. To be blunt, it is not worth it to sacrifice proper grammar and punctuation so that we can observe your complex and unfiltered thoughts flowing through your head. If you took the time to at least use proper punctuation, for instance, you might be forced to leave out some of your thought flow, but that would be a good thing, as much of it is already unintelligible.

      I’m sure there are very few people, if any, who would make sense if we could observe every thought going through their heads. I know I am not one of them; and I know that you aren’t either. Since you were indiscriminate in portraying your every thought, I have very little idea of what you were talking about in your last comments directed at me, and it’s a shame, because it looks like you spent some time on it, especially if you were typing with just one hand.

    • georgie-ann

      as i’ve said before, i do this mainly for my own purposes,…from time to time it does seem that there are those who do “get it” as is, and are happy enough to say so,…if these are the ones i am able to connect with also, so be it,…i am not ambitious about it,…i would just like to be able to say what i have to say,…

      …to “go on record,” so to speak,…

      there is nothing i can do about the caps right now, and rather than present you with all the details physically as to why, which would just end up being gobbledy-gook to you and a pointless chore for me, i won’t even bother,…

      for some reason i don’t think you’re really all that interested anyway,…motivation makes a difference in these things as well,…

      but it’s not your interest, or lack of it, in what i have to say, or the way i say it, that is of interest to me,…you can comment about me all you want, as far as capitals and punctuation go,…i have been well-trained and garnered As in many courses,…i can do it,…but i cannot do it physically in the normal way at this time,…that’s simply all there is to it,…

      prior to this i simply hand-wrote EVERYTHING i’ve written for decades,…and i did use capitals and periods,…all the time,…indentations and paragraphs, too,…

      i even capitalized I,…all the time,…but pencil & paper will not facilitate in this matter,…

      if my necessity excludes you,…please don’t worry about it,…i’m very sure it’s NOT that big of a deal ultimately!,…

      meanwhile, if you would care to register anymore of your own opinions about this topic, i assure you i WILL be interested,… and i will read all of it,…

      not to worry,…

      and i will officially apologize to all the kindly concerned people who do also have a problem reading this,…i’m very sorry,…i’m not trying to be rebellious, iconoclastic, or in-your-face,…maybe someday, i’ll be able to take some of the more interesting ideas (to me), now that they’re “down,” and do a re-write, perhaps in another context, at which time i will do my very best to up-grade the format in which it is presented,…

      my best wishes to you all,…& thanks for trying to help!,…it’s just kind of a “lost cause” right now,…

      …in a way, i guess maybe you could say that it looks as if i’m being selfish or self-indulgent to do that which facilitates things for me in a practical way, but not for you,…however, i’ve never looked at it that way,…and anyway, i really can’t do it any differently without taking an extreme amount of precious extra time,…which seems to me to be “beyond the call of duty” at this time,…i DO have plenty of other things to be doing as well,…

      God Bless You,…

    • georgie-ann

      Dear John,

      I will not be able to write this way for very long, but as a token of my appreciation for your efforts to encourage me to type more legibly, I would like to send you a small thank you note.

      It has occurred to me that you may not have understood that I have some real physical difficulties that make it an onerous task to try to type “normally.” I have not intended to be selfish in this regard.

      I would also like to say that I think this thread has had some very interesting, if unintended, results! Surely it is a brave and/or foolish man who undertakes an expose (missing an accent mark here) of maleness, when his guaranteed audience will be at least 50% female! (Never underestimate the ladies!)

      However, I’m more or less convinced that Ingrid has gotten a very good blessing from wrangling with all of this, and otherwise we have all been having a very interesting discussion–somewhat of a departure from the “usual,” if there is such a thing!

      So now I must bid you “adieu!” I hope you understand my good intentions toward you!

      Wishing you every blessing!

      Peace and Love for the New Year,
      Sincerely,
      georgie-ann

    • SoberHorseThief

      “In the midst of this otherwise dismal, lengthy meeting/subway ride/rosary vigil, there will at least be a few real live human beings, alongside all that orange plastic.”

      Hate to admit it, but it is true for me. I sponsor guys in RCIA, and at the beginning of every year I hope to see some good looking female students–not to stare or gawk or worse, but just to have someone nice to see. Someone not a traffic cone. Gives me a lift.

      Bear with me a second: I

    • georgie-ann

      i like that last sentence!

    • georgie-ann

      i think what you are saying is very true of what is part of the gift of women’s essence to the world,…we should be pleasant additions to the environment, and there is nothing wrong with appreciating us as such,…women are created to have a loveliness and comforting, sympathetic openness about them,…women should appreciate each other!,…we should be loving sisters,…

      the sorry thing is, too early on, we are put on the defensive by people taking advantage of our trusting naivete,…we also develop jealous streaks and become competitive to the point of destructive hatefulness with one another,…the brassiness of modernistic women’s lib types hasn’t helped either,…

      it is truly sad that our culture deals a fairly predictable death-blow to the more gentle things,…none of these things mirror the Blessed Mother, and we’re all the worse off because of it,…

      holding youthful beauty up as almost a cult of secular worship–freely exposing the physical aspects that God has counseled be dressed modestly–has unbalanced our society from a point of wisdom, good judgment, and respect for essential truths,…we have become competitive commodities ourselves, instead of mutually supportive friends,…in this way we weaken our existential position in the universe,…

      how much better the culture that properly recognizes, respects and nourishes and supports its female element,…in truth, i think our culture has become very misogynistic and suspicious and untrusting in this regard,…could this possibly mirror the Protestant rejection of Mary, the split from the wholeness of the Catholic Church, the loss of respect for Life?,…

      the modern secular gods of “efficiency”/pragmatism and utilitarianism have created a very “dry” land, an arrid social desert, in which the ubiquitous paper pin-up doll has become a shallow and empty substitute for “the real thing” that God created and considered “Good,”…

      why do men (as in “mankind”) sell their souls for so little?,…

      i’ve never been able to answer this question,…

    • Observer

      As a younger man who has been married for a few years, I appreciate the perspective this column gave on the issue of male lust. It is a welcome relief from the opposing extremes found in our public discourse today. I am talking about the “lust all you want, who’s it going to hurt?” tendency found in our popular culture, versus the “all male lust is inherently evil and must be shunned” sort of puritanism represented by some of the posters above.

      Also, as a side note, I have the sneaking suspicion that the “georgie-ann” and “Ingrid” characters that have dominated this thread are actually the same troll using different names. Just a hunch.

    • georgie-ann

      the only reason for me to address your post is due to the inaccuracy of your conclusion involving my name,…otherwise aren’t you entitled to your honest opinions?

    • Juicy Couture

      As an attractive woman, I have no problem with male lust. It has always been there, always will be.

      God doesn’t strike you down, if you act upon that lust either.

      Do whatever makes you happy. It’s not for anyone else to judge. Least of all the pie in the sky man, who none of you have ever seen. I doubt that he watches any of the 5 billion + people in the world having sex, or takes note of who has promised themselves to whom, or blocks them from heaven on some day of judgement because of it.

      I have travelled all around the world, and men in every country look. It’s natural and normal.

      I can’t imagine a faithful man, and I have no problem with that. It’s the way of the world.

      Many women aren’t faithful either. That is the way of the long term married woman. It gives them hope I suppose. A pulse so that they aren’t all but dead.

      I actually found this article looking up twisted porn. Hope it stirs you all up, and gets your sharp tongues wagging away from poor Ingrid.

      It’s a rather nasty way of talking to that woman, given that the site purports to be religious. Ungracious and unholy. That’s the thing about religion. It makes people think they’re superior, high and mighty and able to judge others.

      Imagine if you could have a lateral view, and believed in what was tangible. A beautiful woman is beautiful on the outside, and unattractive woman may be beautiful on the inside. And your God, well I haven’t seen him. Neither have you, and you never will. He exists in myth and folklore only.

      And sent his only begotten son 2010 years ago, via insemination of a virgin woman. After the 3.5 million years that the world had already existed. Strange story. I think anyone who believes that, is desperate for a reason for existing, brainwashed, without lateral thought, and with no sense of reality. And I’m not even started on the science.

      Let the wild rumpus begin!!! get your finger a tapping people! [smiley=think]

    • John

      You show yourself to be quite an adherent to the religion you claim to have no part of. Your self-righteousness and judgment of others is undeniable.

    • Eva

      Wow. I miss you, Dr. Zmirak.