What the Pope Should Know about Nancy Pelosi


This week,
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) will meet with Pope Benedict XVI in the Vatican. With the debilitating illness of Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), Pelosi has become the de facto leader of dissident Catholic members of Congress.
It’s only appropriate that Pelosi should take Kennedy’s place. When she became Speaker in January 2006, she chose Rev. Robert Drinan, S.J., as the celebrant of the Mass held in her honor. The late Father Drinan, a longtime professor of law at Georgetown University, had been the architect of the arguments now used as cover by Catholic politicians who wish to dodge the abortion issue. This effort began in 1964, when Father Drinan was among a small group of theologians who visited Hyannis Port, Massachusetts, to school the Kennedy clan on how to finesse the abortion issue in politics.
Pelosi’s 100 percent voting record on abortion, according to NARAL, is commonplace among Catholic Democrats in the House, but Pelosi is, perhaps, the most vocal among them. For example, millions of dollars for contraceptives were cut from the first version of the stimulus package; 0nly Pelosi, rather incoherently, defended the funding.
In August, she made such outrageous comments about the Church on Meet the Press that she single-handedly endangered President Barack Obama’s outreach to Catholic voters. When, to support her pro-abortion stance on when life begins, she asserted, “Over the centuries, the doctors of the Church have not been able to make that definition,” Pelosi elicited a rebuke not only from her ordinary, Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco, but also from dozens of other bishops.
Thus, the news that Pelosi will meet with Benedict spread like wildfire through the Catholic blogs last Thursday. Many Catholics, disgusted with her rabid pro-abortion politics, were outraged that the pope would agree to meet with her at all. They forget that the Holy Father is a head of state and regularly meets with political leaders from every nation, regardless of their positions on issues important to the Church.
It’s a good idea for Benedict to meet with Pelosi, because one can never underestimate the impact of being in his presence. It’s also worth remembering that, if the protocol of past meetings remains the same, the Holy Father will make formal remarks in front of the media before any private meeting. Benedict will very likely make comments criticizing the Obama administration for ending the Mexico City Policy and warning the new Congress against passing the Freedom of Choice Act.
When Pope John Paul II, meeting President George W. Bush for the first time in July 2001, made mild remarks critical of his position on embryonic stem cell research, the media talked about nothing else. It will be interesting to compare the media reaction to anything Benedict may say about Pelosi and Obama.
Just as important as Pelosi’s meeting with the Holy Father is all that will surround her visit to the Vatican. Will she attend Mass? Will she receive communion? How many from the media will be present? How widely will the photos and videos of her reception be spread around the world? How many of her fellow pro-abortion Catholics will be at her side?
You can be sure that Pelosi will choreograph her visit to get maximum exposure of her Catholic identity — down to a photograph of her entering St. Peter’s Basilica in a veil, no doubt.
Pelosi, of course, should be denied communion, but it is unlikely to happen. Any priest who celebrates Mass with Pelosi present will be carefully chosen beforehand in order to avoid embarrassment to the Speaker and her entourage. But I wouldn’t rule out some sort of protest from orthodox Catholic students and seminarians studying in Rome.
Given the publicity Pelosi will receive during this trip, Archbishop Niederauer should issue another public statement reiterating his criticism of her position on abortion — and that, furthermore, if she presents herself for communion, he will deny it to her. If he were to remain silent, he would experience the embarrassment of having other U.S. bishops responding to Pelosi, in his place, on behalf of the Church.
Rev. Tom Euteneuer has already taken a bold stand, expressing his belief that Pelosi should be publicly and formally excommunicated. Unfortunately, his public statement makes it less likely to happen: Bishops don’t want to appear to do what they are told by the head of Human Life International, or any other Catholic apostolate for that matter. But our good friend at HLI is right on the mark.

Deal W. Hudson

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Deal W. Hudson is president of Catholic Advocate, an organization which engages and encourages faithful Catholics to actively participate in the political process to support elected officials and policies that remain consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Formerly publisher and editor of Crisis Magazine for ten years, his articles and comments have been published widely in publications such as the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, and U.S. News and World Report. He has also appeared on TV and radio news shows such as the O'Reilly Factor, Hannity & Colmes, NBC News, and All Things Considered on National Public Radio. Hudson worked with Karl Rove in coordinating then-Gov. George W. Bush's outreach to Catholic voters in 2000 and 2004. In October 2003, President Bush appointed him a member of the official delegation from the United States to attend the 25th anniversary celebration of John Paul II's papacy. Hudson, a former professor of philosophy for 15 years, is the editor and author of eight books. He tells the story of his conversion from Southern Baptist to Catholic in An American Conversion (Crossroad, 2003), and his latest, Onward, Christian Soldiers: The Growing Political Power of Catholics and Evangelicals in the United States, was published in March 2008. He is married to Theresa Carver Hudson, also a Baptist convert, and they have two children, Hannah, 21, and Cyprian, 13, who was adopted from Romania in 2001.

  • Matt

    When the Pope rescinded the excommunications of the four SSPX bishops, we learned that the Pope was unaware of Bishop Williamson’s uncommon view on the Holocaust. The newspapers and mainstream secular (and, sad to say, some Catholic) media went haywire.

    Now the Pope is going to meet Nancy Pelosi. Has the Pope’s staff briefed him on her unorthodox views and action on abortion?

    In Williamson’s case, there was no theological error at all. He was expressing an unpopular opinion about an historic event. In Pelosi’s case, there is deep and remorseless theological and moral error. Pelosi is directly responsible for the wanton destruction of human lives. She is directly responsible for giving the Church such grave scandal that other people have either left the Church or lost respect for the Church. She is directly responsible for leading other Catholic politicians and citizens into grave evil.

    But what will the media do? Make her the hero, Pope Benedict the bad guy, and all we’ll hear about is what a great Catholic leader she is.

    I can’t believe that there are “conservative” Catholics out there who would like to see the SSPX out and the Pelosis and other powerful public figures in. I say, let’s drive the demons from our body. Excommunicate Pelosi, Kennedy, and all abortionist Catholics.

  • Mark

    I remembering watching Meet the Press that morning when Mrs. Pelosi made her comments on abortion and the Doctors of the Church.Her views are so hardened that only Excommunication now, not the threat of it can make a difference. Lastly she should have to watch Silent Scream to understand the full impact of what her past voting record has contributed to. Contrition leads to behavior change.

    Mark

  • Chet

    Thank goodness the pope is not a spiteful, vengeful Republican!

  • Baby Rose

    These Catholic politicians have already excommunicated themselves by their persistent & public behavior. She is compounding her sin by receiving The Eucharist; a sacreligious communion, both of which bring condemnation upon herself by her own hand. I do not know if she goes to confession, but the fact that she is publically & persistently continuing her behavior shows no hint of a change of heart. All these politicians owe a public apology for scandalizing the Church.

    The Bishop (Roman or otherwise) has the obligation to inform her of the consequences of her choice & should refuse her communion for her own benefit. He will anwer to God as well. To “avoid embarassment” for her & her entourage should be of little significance compared to the state of her soul and the scandal she brings other faithful Catholics…spiritual brothers & sisters. Even a spoiled disobedient child is disciplined by a caring parent.

  • Micha Elyi

    When the Pope looks Speaker Pelosi in the eyes and says “I won”* as he begins to tell her what’s what about being a Catholic Christian, only then will Chet be happy, eh?

    As for Chet’s remarks about who’s “vengeful, spiteful,” he doesn’t know how Rep. Pelosi clawed her way into the position of Speaker of the House.

    * a little Democrat politician lingo. (Pope Benedict speaks many languages fluently.)

  • Joe H

    We agree!

    I’ll have to drink a toast.

  • Carol K.

    Dear Mr. Hudson,

    When the photo ran of Cardinal Eagan laughing with then-candidates Obama and McCain, you asked in a post “What Are We Doing?” That photo appeared in many news outlets, with McCain cropped out of the photo, making it look like the Cardinal was with Obama. It looked like the Cardinal was endorsing the proabortion candidate. Photos of Pelosi with the Pope will have the same impact. What ARE we doing?

  • Clara

    expresses my opinion also.

  • Deacon Ed

    that is often not heard nowadays. It is the word ‘shame’. When I was a child, it was not uncommon to hear the words, “Shame on you; you ought to be ashamed of yourself” spoken when some immoral act was committed or an act that violated some social standard of behavior. This word has gone out of the lexicon in the last 40 years. When was the last time you heard said anywhere, “You ought to be ashamed of yourself”?

    In my estimation one of the evils of our day and age is that people seem largely incapable of experiencing a sense of shame. Now according to psychological definition, shame is differentiated from ‘guilt.’ Guilt is that sense of wrongdoing for something wrong we have done; shame, on the other hand, is the experience that one is defective in some sense as a result of some wrongdoing. Shame also involves an act against societal norms and constitutes an alienation from the community to which one naturally belongs. Our inclination to cover our faces when we are confronted with someone who knows of our wrongdoing is a behavioral artifact of shame. We know we have cut ourselves off from the community and hesitate to have someone look upon our faces. Why do we have screens when making confession before a priest? We are ashamed of what we have done. “I am protecting you, the onlooker, from looking at my face.”

    What we have been treated to in the past 40 years are people who say and do the most morally outrageous things and experience no fracturing of the inner self in doing so, and certainly are not alienated from the community. In fact they are often heralded as the latest “American Idol.” The Prodigal Son was guilty for his maltreatment of his father and his profligate life. But he also experienced the shame of it all in that he had cut himself off from his household community. (“I am not worthy to be called your son”)

    Now back to the Pelosi thing. The woman is incapable of feeling any shame for being complicit in the death of innocent children. Worse than this, she has an ‘in your face’ attitude. She turns the tables and then says. “Shame on you others for not caring about the poor unmarried girl who has been made pregnant and abandoned by her boyfriedn with nowhere to turn.” This is a perversion of shame.

    What’s the value of shame and what has our society lost as a result of its no longer being experienced? No one, I repeat, no one need ever to feel ashamed for anything they do that in any way violates the standards of our society. As a result, our society continually lowers the standards of acceptable conduct. Someone recently told me of the menace caused by Hell’s Angels descending on Myrtle Beach SC over the Labor Day holiday and how they must keep their children at home or else leave town because of their behavior. Innocently, never having epxerienced this, I asked what kind of behavior? I was told by a Catholic woman (she herself experiencing shame in the very telling) that they would be openly fornicating on the streets of that town. I also feel a kind of vicarious shame when a woman approaches the altar for communion and is barely dressed with a plunging neckline and short skirt. No sense that this would violate the very meaning of her body and the community standards that accompany it.

    No, it is bad judgment on the part of the Pope to meet with Ms Pelosi. Why? Because to do so is to contribute to the further eradication from our culture and the rightful place of shame. For Ms Pelosi to be in the presence of the HOLY Father and to at the same time be extolling the ‘virtues’ of abortion is for her to be shameless. The Holy Father’s allowing this to happen only encourages more shameless behavior and lowers the threshold for what used to be commonly agreed upon standards of moral behavior and character. I cannot attest to Ms Pelosi’s guilt; that is a matter for her Church-informed conscience. I wil, however, tell you that her behavior is shameless and ought to be treated as such.

  • Dan Deeny

    Deal, Thank you for this information on abortion and Catholic political leaders. By rescinding the Mexico City Policy, the Obama Administration has come out in favor of a program that seeks to reduce the number of Africans, Asians, and Latin Americans. Perhaps a journalist might ask Rep. Pelosi how her Catholic faith strengthens her in her support for this program. She might offer an opinion on what the right number of Africans or Latin Americans might be. Is she in favor of the Chinese program? And how does her Catholic faith help her make these difficult decisions? Or perhaps they are not difficult at all, but are self-evident, obvious, and just?

  • Will

    Pelosi should be disciplined, no issue there, but curiously enough Fr. Robert Drinan SJ, while being ordered by Pope JP II to give us his seat in the US Congress, was never disciplined other than that
    [that I am aware of]. Drinan is a priest, thus should be held to a higher standard than a layman, yet he seems to be able to operate rather freely? If Drinan were a diocesian priest, I assume he would be disciplined by his Bishop, but since he belongs to an order, it would be up to the Superior General of that order. What’s the deal with him?

  • Bill Sr.

    The one picture of Pelosi which the faithful obviously would like to see is her coming out of the confessional. That won’t happen either.

    It’s a shame for American catholics to be in this position where government leaders who profess our faith so blatantly ignore it when making public policy. The cover of “separation” which we have allowed non-believers and atheist to define for us does not protect their souls like it does their political positions for reelection by a dumbed down electorate.
    However, we must in faith and prayer see all this as the dark clouds of a terrible storm which though it may possibly wreck havoc within our nation and the church will also eventually serve to flush out evil and cleanse us before the merciful God who in love will allow it. This must be our prayer.

  • Catholic

    Pope Benedict should show to the world, and especially to Catholics, that he will not tolerate the murder, nor the support of murder, of unborn babies in anyone regardless of their political prominence or wealth. Pelosi is an accomplice to the slaughter of millions of unborn infants, and should not only be shunned by the Pope but should be excommunicated by him.

    It will be very painful to watch if the Pope actually meets with her. It will seem to me and perhaps to others that there is hypocrisy in the Vatican. Jesus taught us a long time ago that by their works, not by their words, we can know whether others are genuine in their faith.

  • Francis Wippel

    The time for allowing so-called “Catholic” politicians (regardless of which party they represent) who support abortion rights to dodge the issue publicly has long passed. The tired old excuse of

  • Warren Goddard

    Will, Fr.Drinan is dead. The Boston College Jesuits had an elaborate funeral for him. I and three others picketed it. My sign read “Father Death Is Dead”.
    Warren

  • Majority

    Whether abortion should be a criminal offense is a matter of one’s political judgment- would criminalization in some states really cause fewer abortions than now? Is it consistent with the right to privacy of our Constitution? Good Catholic and others of good intent can disagree.

    Speaker Pelosi happens to represent the views of the majority of Catholics. Excommunicate her and there’s no logical reason not to excommunication all the millions of good Catholics whose political judgment on this issue she represents. Did someone say “Reductio ad absurdum” ?

    I await with interest the highhanded condemnations to follow this posting.

  • nan

    I guess that’s me. It’s not a political judgment. It’s a moral fact. Wishing it away won’t make it change. For me, a lowly sinner and for you, a lowly sinner. I know you know what I mean.

  • Barb

    If Pelosi represents the majority of Catholics who believe that abortion is OK, that does NOT make it right! The Catholic church is very clear in it’s opposition to abortion, therefore, those pro-abortion catholics are really not Catholic at all! As far as the Pope agreeing to meet with Pelosi, Jesus surrounded himself with sinners all the time and reached out to them, perhaps the Pope has the same intentions in mind when meeting with her. Who knows, if Pelosi truly believes she is a Catholic, we’ll see how humble she becomes in the presence of the Holy Father, and only then will the Holy Spirit be able to work through him to get to her.

  • Dennis

    I believe Jesus would meet with Speaker Pelosi and, as He did with religious and political leaders, publicly question them to expose their hypocrisy. I would hope the Holy Father would take a similar approach, and use it as a teaching moment for not just Mrs. Pelosi but all Catholics who believe that abortion can be accepted. She can then decide, with the Holy Father clearly spelling out the choices, whether to remain in the Church or continue to support abortion and move on.

  • Dan Deeny

    Majority, Thank you for your contribution. I think you are perhaps right that the majority of Catholics support Rep. Pelosi. That is why I would like to see a journalist ask her how her Catholic faith helps her to support a woman’s right to choose. I would also be interested in hearing her on why rescinding the Mexico City Policy is a good idea. Perhaps Catholics are worried about the number of people in Latin America and Africa? Many Catholics work in the Obama Administration, so they must support his policies. Why? Do you support his Mexico City Policy? Why? Do you think there are too many Latin Americans, Africans? What would be the right number? Do you support the Chinese policy? Why? Perhaps you can contribute by responding to some of these questions?

  • mary Bogart

    I think Nancy Pelosi should be excommunicated as all Catholics who believe int the senseless killing of human life. We call these people cafeteria Catholics who really never go to church anyway and just participate in sacraments for show and a ensuing party.There are other religions these people can practice but the Mother Church need to show by example and stop condoning and pardoning people who are in positions of power

  • prayerwarrior4Jesus

    St. Padre Pio: Pray, hope and don’t worry! I think Pelosi, as well as all members of Congress who have voted pro-abortion, should have to watch an abortion. The goal is to change the hearts and minds of pro-aborts, or this country will continue to spiral into more sin and degradation. Mother Teresa said, “America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation.”

    Our nation is deformed. We are sowing very bad seed and the lead sowers are the members of Congress who want to please, Pelosi being one of the worst. I DISAGREE WITH majority THAT PELOSI REPRESENTS THE VIEWS OF THE MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS. They just happen to be the nosiest–the squeaky wheel and all that!

    I wonder why nobody seems very concerned about the nature of the abortion/contraception/sterilization movement which seeks to control certain populations, as in eugenics and Hitler-type activities, not only in this country but around the world. Our government has bought into this evil, and we are all responsible if we do nothing. Congress had an opportunity to reverse Obama’s horrible decision to end the “Mexico City Policy,” but many Catholic senators voted against the amendment to reinstate the policy, and it was defeated 60-37. Eighteen Catholic senators voted against the amendment, 14 of whom have received donations from the pro-abortion lobby. We need to hear from the bishops about the sin those senators are engaged in and how it is affecting not just our country but the world. In this case the sowers are the bishops and clergy who remain silent or shirk their responsibility.

    All these politicians, and our clergy as well, must be held accountable for the many people they lead astray. God will hold them accountable when they come before Him, but they must be admonished as the spiritual works of mercy teach, which the Catholic Church still adheres to, by the way.

    We also must do our part. It is not enough to sound off, to complain, to give our opinions. We must continue to pray without ceasing, hope in Jesus Christ, and work to change the culture, especially the hearts and minds of all those involved in the culture of death, starting with President Obama and all those who insist that it is ok to kill our children. I ask all those who read this to please join the “red envelope” project. See what it is all about: http://www.redenvelopeproject.org/

    Let’s sow good seed and continue to counteract the bad seeds that the ignorant sow. The war has already been won by Jesus, but the battle continues daily.

  • Bill Freeman

    For the life of me I can not understand the current Church’s position on not excommunicating these politicians. John the Baptist was vocal pointing out to Herod his sin for marrying his brothers’ wife. He publicly pointed out the sin of a politician. He would not be silenced. He was calling out the sin of adultery which is grievous indeed but probably not as serious as the murder of an innocent baby.
    This is such clear teaching on how the church’s leaders should react with sin committed by public officials, I am totally mystified why our current church leaders are not following John the Baptists example.
    I would love to pose this question to the Pope? Where is our leadership? I am tired of being lumped in as a Catholic with those who profess to be in name only.

  • Pamela

    The thing I remember most clearly from Pope Benedict’s address to us when he became Pope was his request for us to pray for him, that he would have the strength and wisdom to lead us. He is such a humble and wonderful man, and very strong. I hope I’m not wrong when I think that he knows what he is doing. I pray that he does.

    Of course, my hope is that he would make the excommunication public, on the spot, if she refuses to publicly renounce her current positions, on a number of things. I also can’t stand the thought of her being given the Holy Eucharist and having that used as propaganda to further the scandal.

    When I consider the people, mainly the young, sitting in the pews and partaking of the Holy Eucharist, who have been lead to believe they can think/act like Majority apparently does, because public figures like Pelosi, Biden, etc…are allowed to do so, my heart breaks. It is truly a scandal brought upon the Church and souls are being lost. I believe Pope Benedict cares more about that than how it will embarrass Mrs. Pelosi or the prospect of cries of “Reductio ad absurdum”. This is not a mathematical contest and how many bodies he has in pews. It is not about politics. It is about Truth and the saving of individual souls, including the Pope’s own and he of all people knows that. I believe he takes his responsibility very seriously.

    May God grant him wisdom and strength.

  • RL Taylor

    Ms. Pelosi is not only a strong advocate of abortion, she is very public. For that reason she should be publicly reprimanded and excommunicated if she doesn’t choose the Church’s teaching. Just because a majority of Catholics seem to share her view. A majority of the pharisees were anti-Christ. They were appropriately, publicly called hypocrites. Regardless of the rationalization and “science” to try to justify a position, when conceived an egg and sperm unite to create a “PERSON.” It makes little difference if that “PERSON” is viable outside the womb, I certainly believe God sees Him/Her as a viable soul. The culture of life has no need to make it any more complicated than that. They have no position to try to justify in God’s eyes.

    When someone has to find complications and positions to defend a view they have been criticized for, it becomes suspect, or should in the Church’s eyes. If that person defends the position in a public way, it scandalizes millions and those millions deserve to know publicly that it is wrong.

    Excommunicate Pelosi, unless she publicly reforms. That goes for Biden, Kerry, Casey, etc. Give a lesson to the Catholic pro-abortion groups, that they are wrong, and if they insist on being wrong publicly, they too are eligible for excommunication.

  • AJ

    Decan Ed, the church needs more like you.

    I agree shame and modesty, unfortunately, are things of the past.

    Pelosi is utterly disgusting and unworthy of a any political position let alone a leadership role.

  • Thom

    “This is not a mathematical contest and how many bodies he has in pews. It is not about politics.”

    Of course it is . . . the clerical class is dependent upon the financial support of the majority of the laity. That’s why it can’t start excommunicating their political leaders who represent their political views. It’ll empty the pews and the coffers.

  • Kamilla

    “Is it consistent with the right to privacy of our Constitution?”

    Uhm, Majority, there is no “right to privacy” in the U.S. Constitution. Perhaps you were thinking of another constitution? It is a “right” created out of whole cloth by an activist judiciary in order to further the culture of death.

    And as for the millions of “good” Catholics who support abortion and Pelosi’s political leadership. I seriously doubt that they can be considered “good” Catholics by any stretch of the imagination when they are in willing defiance of a clear teaching of the Catholic Church.

    I think the scariest thing about Pelosi is that there is so little substance to the woman. This seems to be the one issue upon which she stakes her political future.

    Kamilla

  • Catholic

    Being Catholic is not a popularity contest. If Majority considers Pelosi to represent him/her and the majority of Catholics then that is a sad commentary on the state of some “Catholics.” I would much rather be represented by the Pope even if it puts me in the minority of Catholics. It’s better to be on a small raft with the faithful than aboard a shipload of pirates.

    Words are cheap, so it’s easy to call one’s self a Catholic, but actions are what count. A true Catholic is the one who LIVES according to the moral precepts of the Catholic faith. Those who murder the unborn, or support the murder of the unborn, are not living those moral principles and, even more tragically, they are not allowing the unborn to live at all.

  • Colkoch

    As long as the Vatican has not excommunicated other politicians like Robert Mugabe, Benedict XVI will not excommunicate Pelosi. The Vatican is not just the authoritative seat of Catholicism it is also a Nation State and practices politics.

    I got a kick out of reading the rules for comments. Seems like nobody has read #3.

  • Steve

    Ditto

  • martharoy

    everyone should pray for our church and the people who give scandal to it

  • Deacon Ed

    #3. “Don’t make judgments about the other person’s sinfulness or salvation. You are not the Inquisition.”

    I will not address the state of Mrs. Pelosi’s soul. Instead I will say, “Mrs. Pelosi, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.”

  • John

    Where does She come off talking about Church matters when She does not have all the fact straight! Maybe She should have contacted a Canon Lawyer first before shooting off Her MOUTH!!

    Maybe She should go back to California but then again maybe the folks there don’t want her back[smiley=angry].

  • kathy

    I agree with everything Deacon Ed said in posts 1 and 2.

  • AReader

    “Thank goodness the pope is not a spiteful, vengeful Republican! ” or is he a socialistic democrat!

  • Janet

    Really? The majority of what Catholics agree with Nancy Pelosi? I’d like to see the statistics. Does this include Catholics who haven’t received any Sacrament after Baptism? Does it include those who have only attended Mass in recent years on either Christmas or Easter? Does it include those who really don’t believe any of the Church’s teachings, to include the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist?

    I realize all of these are a part of the Church in some way, but how can we say that a ‘majority’ of Catholics agree with her? If they don’t actually believe most of what the Church teaches and do not practice their faith at all, are their views still tallied up and counted toward those in the ‘majority’?

    I certainly don’t know many ‘practicing’ Catholics who would agree that Pelosi’s political views are theirs, too. She, and others, may have effectively excommunicated themselves… making it known publicly would have little effect upon how actively participative those other ‘Catholics’ who agree with her are in the future. I’m thinking it would have little effect on either church coffers or numbers attending Mass.

  • Donna Bertholf

    I agree with Deacon Ed. Here is what St John the Baptist had to say about the Pharisees and Sadducees who also came to be baptized by him. “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come! Bear fruit that befits repentance, and do not presume to say to yourselves, “We have Abraham as our father”. for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown in the FIRE.” Matthew 2:7-10

    This applies to everyone especially those who are in power. Do these people presume that there is only this life? Eternity is real. It absolutely exists. What happens to these persons who have made such terrible choices and have the power to influence others. Look out to the priests and bishops for the road to Hell is littered by many of them. Have they never loved God? Have they lost faith, hope, and love for God? How the evil of Pride has penetrated their hearts. Jesus said that who ever harms even the least of these, children, it would be better if he had never been born.

    Holy father will make his choice and will have to live with it. Hopefully, with tons of prayers for him, he will make the right choice

  • James Pawlak
  • mark from germantown wisconsin

    Nancy Pelousi represents the worst of liberal Catholicism. She is not only an Anti-Life Catholic, but also a poor example of a Catholic politician. She claims to be a steward of the environment and wants to reduce global warming but she now has her own personal jet as Speaker of the House. A better example would be to use commercial flights during these financial hard times.

    Nancy Pelousi is a person who thinks she can serve both God and mammon. In other words, a Catholic in name only. She’s no exemplary leader, but rather, a second rate management-type. She thinks she can handle Pope Benedict like she does her minions in Congress. We’ll see…

    Judgment Day is very near as we are in the End Times. I would like to hear Nance give Jesus a song-and-dance about her culture of death and support of immoral lifestyles.

  • Dan Deeny

    Catholics in politics are getting to be kind of a joke: Nancy Pelosi, Robert Mugabe, now Hugo Chavez! Who’s next?

  • John

    Use the term “Majority”, “Minority” or whatever you want, the TRUTH has always been and will always be JESUS CHRIST. Truth is not a matter of a vote or an opinion. We don’t find the Truth in what a “Majority” or we as individuals’ thinks, believe, feel or want. The Truth does not change over time, its immutable. We, the Church, are the Body of Christ and Jesus Christ is our head. From the beginning the Church, through it’s magisterial teaching authority, has taught that the killing of innocent pre-born human life is sinful, a violation of the fifth Commandment. So, be careful not to call evil good or good evil, which is what we do regularly by believing in anything or anyone rather than the TRUTH.

    Please walk in the light rather than darkness and be Charitable in all that you do and say. In charity, PRAY for all those who are lost in the darkness of sin (including our lost Catholic politicians) that they might come to the TRUTH, walk in the light and have a true conversion of heart.

    Please pray also for our Holy Father, the Pope, who is the Vicar of Christ entrusted with passing to future generations the fullness of the Truth.

  • julio

    Does Mugabee present himself for communion? Does he try to lead Catholics astray? Does he support abortion? Does he speak trying to present himself as an authority on Church teachings? Does he call himself a “fervent ardent Catholic” in TV interviews?” Maybe thats why he is not excomunicated.

  • Joe H

    Liberal historians say the Pope never excommunicated Hitler. The reply has been that Hitler excommunicated himself, and that the Pope did not have to pronounce it.

    The immorality of abortion has been declared ex cathedra, so wouldn’t a politician in fervent support of abortion on demand incur the same sort of automatic excommunication, called “latae sententiae”?

    Granted I don’t expect the hand-chosen priests (should I start calling them “presbyters” like the rad trads?) of these abortion politicians will actually enforce the excommunication.

    Digging through Canon law, “Book VI Sanctions in the Church,
    Part I” it is interesting that performing an abortion will bring about latae sententiae excommunication – so will all those who act as an accomplice. While there are some who might be inclined to blame everyone who voted for Obama, realistically, wouldn’t the buck at least stop with the politicians who make and vote upon the laws? Can they not be considered “accomplices”?

  • Geremia

    Has the Pope’s staff briefed him on her unorthodox views and action on abortion?

    I am 100% certain Pope knows. He is a very learned man.

  • Kevin

    Chet,

    Nancy has supported ALL 45 MILLION abortions that have taken place in America since 1973.

    Would you at least settle for a cut off point for receiving communion at supporting the murder of 50 MILLION babies?

    Just wondering

  • Geremia

    It will be very painful to watch if the Pope actually meets with her.

    Is it painful to you that Jesus dined with sinners?

  • Mark

    “Catholics in politics are getting to be kind of a joke…” – Dan Deeny

    Maybe when Jesus said, “Then repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God” He was warning us not to expect political systems and His Church to ever mesh.

    Oh, and Joe H …. though that was a different Mark you agreed with, I’d be happy to drink a toast with you.

  • Jim

    “Speaker Pelosi happens to represent the views of the majority of Catholics. Excommunicate her and there’s no logical reason not to excommunication all the millions of good Catholics whose political judgment on this issue she represents.” –Majority

    According to the Catholic Church, there is no such thing as “pro-choice Catholicism”. The “millions of good Catholics” alluded to above, then, are millions of our brothers and sisters who
    are deluded, and falsely calling themselves Catholic. In another day and age, they would have had the intellectual honesty to say that since they disagree fundamentally with the Church’s teaching, they were leaving the Church of their own accord. No longer. As the Church has effectively remained silent on this point–year after year after year–the scandal and confusion have continued to grow. Formal excommunication, as Majority points out,is the logical consequence for all who truly disagree with the fundamental teachings of the Church yet still call themselves Catholic. It would end compromise, end the scandal, and restore clarity. It would, in charity, give all an opportunity to re-consider their views and actions and choose freely whether to remain in the Church or not.

  • Pat

    Why does Nancy want to meet with the Pope anyway? Will she try to advance her agenda? Will she plead with him to change his position? Does she want to express her confusion or concern about this issue of abortion? Wrong or right, the Holy Father represents more than just an authority on Dogma and Doctrine. He IS the presence of holiness in our world today. To meet him is to be changed forever. The visit is a meeting of two hearts … the challenge is for those hearts to become one. Let us pray.

  • teresa

    Hi everyone…just adding my 2 cents! I really would like us all to realize that each of us is a sinner. Then,I would like us to understand that Mrs Pelosi is an uninformed Catholic,who would prefer to remain in her ‘blissful ignorance’. She is not to blame for changing the consciences of anyone who has embraced abortion. However, she perhaps should be made to understand that what she is doing is not in keeping with the Church’s teaching, and so should not present herself for Holy Communion, since it is against the moral grain of the church. Somewhere in my heart I feel that this woman really does not have a deep enough understanding of the faith to realize that she is actually responsible for the lives of others who look up to her as a public figure.
    Someone needs to discuss this with her and perhaps she may then make her own decision to no longer remain Catholic. This is a very sensitive agenda for the Holy Father and for the public image of the Catholic Church in general.
    We need to pray for the Holy Spirit to guide those in authority how to deal with this situation,and judge not each other!

  • Baby Rose

    Teresa,
    We are not to presume to judge the motives of why someone behaves as they do & we are to give the benefit of the doubt to their behavior while praying for them, but a public offical is held to a higher standard because of the fact that they are in service to the people they govern & have the responsibility to uphold the common good for all people. They are obliged to respect the fundamental rights of the human person (Catechism #2237). From life stems all other human rights.
    Further, I can judge their actions against the moral laws of the Church to discern if what they are doing is right or wrong for me, according to the Church, and thus choose not to follow the “majority.” It’s called discernment and is necessary to protect the proper state (santification) of my soul. Like shame, it seems to be practiced byt the “minority.”

    Prayerwarrior4Jesus: I just sent off 4 Red envelopes today; 2 from myself & 2 for my husband addressed (one) to the President and the other to the First Lady. She believes in partial birth abortion. The Red Envelope Project is a great endeavor!! I did it for Baby Rose; aborted 28 years ago this month.

  • Will

    While I personally believe that Pope Benedict should refuse to meet with Pelosi, given her views on abortion [which is what I would do], the Holy Father is a lot wiser than I am, thus I have to trust his judgement. I’ve seen a lot of postings advising Pope Benedict what to do, and as I said, I personally think he should refuse to see her, but I think the Pope has his reasons for everything he does, so we just have to trust him.
    Perhaps he will try to personally persuade her, and if she refuses to change, then take some sort of action? It would be presumptuous in the extreme for me to speculate, but suffice it to say, I think Pope Benedict knows what he is doing. I can’t second guess him.

  • CD

    The church cannot possibly afford the membership and financial hit it would take to excommunicate members who violate the abortion and contraception rules. How would this work?

    How would they expel Speaker Pelosi but not the rest of her fellow Catholics who go along with her position. So it would be based on the public profile of the indivisual. Speaker Pelosi is in the US Congress and serves her district and the congress as speaker in a purely secular role – a not as a Catholic. Her oath is to uphold the constitution and not her particular religion.

    The church will never give up the pipleine of family tradition based membership creation. The church membership is sustained through being passed from parents to children. Once they excommunicate a member they are in effect cutting off all the future desendants as well. The church leadership is not stupid. In two generations the church would be fraction of its size in the United States and be marginalized.

  • Marie

    I believe Benedict will follow the Gospel message enjoined upon us by Christ, which is to love one another. To correct the action of another (that is, the public “errors” regarding the Catholic faith expressed by Ms. Pelosi) is a work of mercy. To seek punishment first through calls for excommunication forgets the teachings of our faith.

    It would be nice to see a political discussion by Christians in which the participants could be identified as Christian by the spirit of love for one another. [smiley=think]

  • Catholic

    Why does Nancy want to meet with the Pope anyway?

    Pelosi probably hopes that her meeting with the Pope will repair some of the damage her public image took when she was publicly reprimanded by the Cardinals and Bishops for her confused comments about abortion on Meet the Press. It’s probably a political ploy as much as anything else. I hope Pope Benedict scolds her in front of the world while the cameras are recording their encounter, then proceeds to excommunicate her unless she repents of her support of abortion.

  • Tonia
  • neo

    The holy father needs to be merciful with Pelosi. There are worse problems in the church than abortion or modernization.

    Greed. Greed has run rampant. And seems to have infested parts of the church.

    Unfortunatly if the rumors are true those infested are the very ones that rebuked Pelosi.

    Archbishop Burke for instance has a fight for authority with a church in diocese to which he has threatened excommunication. The fight is about who holds the deed to the parish, the archdiosese or the parish. Not really something that merits excommunication. There have been bids on the church’s property and it seems like Burke wishes to close it and sell it. While it is a rumor, the sad part is that with so many stealing and skimming with in the church its hard for me to think its unfounded.

  • Dan Deeny

    CD and Marie, yes, you might be right. I hadn’t thought of things that way.
    CD, yes the Church is passed on through generations. And cutting off one member of a family might cut off the rest. And there is the important fact of Church funding.
    Marie, yes, we must love one another and be merciful. And calls for excommunication are pretty harsh.
    What, then, do you make of Cardinal Ritter’s threat to excommunicate some white Catholics who formed a group to oppose the integration of the Catholic schools in St. Louis? The group dissolved and the schools were integrated. But what about Cardinal Ritter? Was he unkind? Was he bluffing? Or did he calculate the costs of integration vs. segregation and opt for integration?
    Let us pray for ourselves, for our priests, and for our bishops.

  • Susan S

    Your remarks on ‘shame’ were very awakening (for lack of a better word). I became aware – realized- that what you mentioned is true: we do not think of shame, we do not say ‘I’m ashamed’, we do not tell anyone else ‘you should be ashamed’.

    Thanks for the teaching. I printed your ‘blog’ to share with some co-workers.

    But in response to your last remark, “it is bad judgment on the part of the Pope to meet with Ms Pelosi”, we should trust the Holy Father. If he wants to meet with Ms. Pelosi, we should consider that he knows what he’s doing, and that their meeting may be enlightening to her. The Holy Spirit is powerful, to say the least.

  • Vin

    Yes, it would be painful to see Pelosi welcomed at the Vatican but since she is a “head of state” whatever that means in her case, I don’t see the wisdom of not allowing her to do whatever she intends to do. I am constantly astounded at her brazeness, but that is what she does. Only God can judge what is in her heart. We can only pray for her conversion if it is God’s will. I hope the long suffering catholics will not let this matter eat away at their faith. She is not worth it. Be strong, faithful and loyal. Things will get better. Jesus is still with us.

  • Chessie

    The holy father needs to be merciful with Pelosi. There are worse problems in the church than abortion or modernization.

    Archbishop Burke for instance has a fight for authority with a church in diocese to which he has threatened excommunication. The fight is about who holds the deed to the parish, the archdiosese or the parish. Not really something that merits excommunication. There have been bids on the church’s property and it seems like Burke wishes to close it and sell it. While it is a rumor, the sad part is that with so many stealing and skimming with in the church its hard for me to think its unfounded.

    Number 1 – There is no problem worse than the murder of innocent children. Period.
    Number 2 – Your comment about Archbishop Burke is not based in fact. The truth is the priest at this parish to which you are referring has already signed up with not one, but two different non-Catholic “so-called” Catholic splinter groups to be a “priest” with them. Archbishop Burke is not the bad guy in this situation. He is simply trying to save the souls of the parishioners there.

  • Sam

    In Williamson’s case, there was no theological error at all. He was expressing an unpopular opinion about an historic event.

    Matt,

    Actually, in Williamson’s case it was precisely a theological error. Those who view the Holocaust as not just a verifiable historical event where 6+ million Jews (not to mention countless other millions of non-Jews) were killed by Hitler’s regime but as a religion in itself regard it as precisely that. For you and me, we can discuss it rationally in the sense that its historical truth can be explored, its errors corrected by further evidence, etc. For those who rush to condemn Williamson and the Pope wrongly by association for daring to even question it, there is no rational discussion allowed. Rather, Williamson and Benedict must be burned at the rhetorical stake.

    I ask, for whose good is it to keep such an extreme view of the Holocaust going? Who benefits from this anti-rational, anti-truthful approach to a historical event? Yes, Bishop Williamson is wrong on the facts but why crucify him and why attack the Pope?

    I think the real issue, as we saw also with Mel Gibson and the “Passion of the Christ” as well as with the continued lies against Pope Pius XII, is hatred of Christ and His Church. The Holocaust is just a pretext for this undying hatred uttered ever since Barrabbas was chosen by the mob over Christ.

    Long live Christ the King!

  • Sam

    Why does Nancy want to meet with the Pope anyway? Will she try to advance her agenda? Will she plead with him to change his position? Does she want to express her confusion or concern about this issue of abortion? Wrong or right, the Holy Father represents more than just an authority on Dogma and Doctrine. He IS the presence of holiness in our world today. To meet him is to be changed forever. The visit is a meeting of two hearts … the challenge is for those hearts to become one. Let us pray.

    Pat,

    Well said. If you read Michael O’Brien’s apocalyptic novel “Father Elijah,” the protagonist Fr Elijah meets the President of Europe (the suspected Antichrist) and offers him a chance to not only convert but to renounce Satan and his empty promises. The President refuses in the end, and Fr Elijah goes into exile to await the final coming of Christ.

    Hopefully, Pope Benedict will do the same with Speaker Pelosi who after all does have an immortal soul in jeopardy if she persists in her public and grave sin. I’ve always agreed that excommunication is medicinal to the grave public sinner’s soul, and that it should be applied here. However, the Pope may have different reasons than I for not doing it right now at this time. Let us pray to St Michael for him.

  • Phil Trickett

    I rcall that Mother Teresa used the event when she came to Wash DC and was on the dias with the President and Mrs Clinton, to publically chastise them for their support of abortion. And they had to sit there and take it because they “sold their souls” to be on stage with Mother Teresa.
    Go Pope Benedict! Lay it to her!

  • Deacon Ed

    thanks for your comments about shame.

    I didn’t mean to take the Holy Father to task too strongly. It is just that I am becoming increasingly aware of how those who are doing Satan’s bidding are infiltrating the Church and manipulating those in key Church positions. I see it far too often and its something we all ought to be aware of.

    I am in NO way imputing anything of the kind to our Holy Father. But I am very wary of too many in our Church who in their lust for power, prestige or money sell out the Church in allowing Her to be used for the purposes of the State and its oft-nefarious designs.

  • Mark

    “There are worse problems in the church than abortion or modernization. Greed. Greed has run rampant.” – neo

    To make the claim that greed is worse than abortion is to say that money is more important than human life.

    You might want to rethink that.

  • Scottie

    Here here John; very well said! In the end the truth will be the same today as it was in the beginning, no matter how one twists and turns it to their liking.

    It would be a great time to bring back the INQUISITION![smiley=wink]

  • Vickie

    Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the LIFE” and when we choose not to serve Him, we are on dangerous ground. Our faith is rooted in Jesus, not on what others think of us.
    As the Pope is in persona Jesus – then Jesus would have already said to Pelosi – you traitor! “If you are not with me, then you are against me”. Those who think they cleverly deceive others into thinking killing babies is acceptable behavior are deceivers and are not to be trusted with others lives in any way.
    Since Pelosi thinks and has publicy stated that abortion will help save the economy in the US, she is sadly mistaken. By this twisted thinking, she thinks that poor people cannot possibly take care of a baby financially. However, with the economy at a crossroads and many people hurting financially there is still real Hope in Jesus! With a government and banking system that lured many into easy credit cards by allowing for deductions on taxes of the interest, then disallowing this deduction, our government did have a role in the current economic crossroad.
    If Pelosi were to have a brain, she could surely think of other ways to improve our economy and not advocate for abortion providers.
    She should be excommunicated for reasons found in our Catholic Catechism that states reasons that support her excommunication.
    When a child misbehaves in church, should not the parent immediately correct this misbavior? Our Church being the “parent” and Pelosi the “child” should immediately escort her out by excomminication! What a difference our Church could make if she would just discipline the poor examples that are leading others astray. Please pray for our young, impressionable children who are confused with the faith of our Church and look for the Way, the Truth and the LIFE in HER.
    Does anyone see Jesus in Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy, etc?

  • Charles Miller

    Vickie: I wonder that you should perhaps re-read your last post. Isn’t Jesus in everyone? I have tried very hard for some time to imagine that I am interacting with Jesus in every personal interaction I have. It’s a spectacular way to conversion! I recommend it highly.

    Deal: I have enjoyed your leadership in keeping the heat on our politicians and examining Catholic political life, earning much negative feedback by certain members of the ComBox crowd. This article is no exception. We need to give the Holy Father credit for being as smart and effective a teacher that we have seen in our time. His personal manner is beguiling, and this may lead the Honorable MS. Pelosi to underestimate him. This will be fun to watch. But that would be uncharitable, would it not? Still…

    charles

  • Martin W. Howser

    I think that it is good that the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth, meet with Speaker Pelosi. I believe Christ would do so. We must remember that the Pope is a defender and promulgator of the faith. Part of his responsibility is to put forth clearly the teachings of the Church. I believe he will instruct Speaker Pelosi on the Church’s teachings on abortion; that every person has a responsibility to oppose abortion, the murder of the unborn. Not to oppose abortion, an inherently grave evil, particularly when one has a high public profile such as Speaker Pelosi who publicly supports abortion could put her soul in mortal jeopardy and give scandal to others. I believe that the Pope will take this opportunity to instruct her in the faith of the Church and the consequences (communion being refused and excommunication not to mention possible damnation for eternity) that could follow if she persists with her current position on abortion. I do not think that Christ would do less.

  • John P.

    Credit Jonah Goldberg who quipped to Laura Ingraham, “I don’t know Catholic theology, but shouldn’t Nancy Pelosi burst into flames when she steps into the Vatican?” [smiley=laugh]

  • Michael Adams

    Scottie suggested that this might be a good time to bring back the Inquisition. I seize this and all other opportunities to remind people that the Inquisition was a court mostly tasked with investigating misuse of church funds, as when a Bishop gave a church estate and its revenue to one of his sons. Before the Inquisition, Bishops investigated such things themselves, until someone noticed that sometimes they were investigating themselves. The term ‘benefit of clergy’ refers to the RIGHT to be tried in s church court, including the Inquisition. This right was jealously protected, costing Thomas a Beckett his life. People preferred trial in church courts because their punishments were milder than what you might expect in the King’s court.

    A favorite propaganda trick of the Left is conflation. In this instance, they conflate the church’s Inquisition with the Spanish Inquisition, the founding of which the Church opposed, and which was an essentially political court, rather like its contemporary in England, the Star Chamber.

  • Militia Christi

    Keep your eye on the prize folks. What’s most important for all of us is getting to heaven and spending eternity with our Loving Father. If we have more regard for the Eurcharist, then these things will resolve themselves. If you want abortion to end and pro-abortion Catholic politicians to be converted, then YOU need to start reverencing the Eurcharist more. Until then, it will be nothing more than a piece of bread to the cafeterians. I pray for the priest who gives her communion every week. He is more culpable than she is, because he knows what this is doing to her soul when she receives unworthily. It really is the cup of great blessing and of judgement.

  • Scottie
  • Rich

    …Speaker Pelosi happens to represent the views of the majority of Catholics….

    Majority: If you were a Catholic, well informed in your faith, you know that we, the Catholic lay people, do not vote on Church teachings. So what the majority of Catholics may think on a topic has nothing to do with their thoughts being in error or not.

    You may also be aware that the majority of Catholics do not regularly attend Mass. Failure to attend weekly Mass is a mortal sin…we need to pray that the majority of Catholics will come home to their rich faith.

    …Excommunicate her and there’s no logical reason not to excommunication all the millions of good Catholics whose political judgment on this issue she represents

    On this point you also seem to not understand teachings. Ms. Pelosi has excommunicated herself because of her “public” stand and actions to promote abortions. A failure to understand or accept Church teachings, does not necessarily separate a Catholic who has not taken actions to promote or obtain an abortion(s).

    We know Speaker Pelosi is in error because of her public actions. We do not necessarily know the same about other Catholics who MAY be in error regarding abortion.

    BTW, a Catholic who does not accept the Church teachings…I would be hesitant to refer to them as a “good Catholic.” Good person…maybe…good Catholic…questionable…only God knows.

    See the difference?

  • Bruce Meier

    Am I to continue prayer vigilence outside our local Planned ParentHood Abortion clinic enduring all the climatic elements nite and day and Nancy Pelosi is held venerate for her abortion stance? I hope I don’t belong to the same Branch of the Catholic Church she belongs to. Please Pope Benedict, take a strong position condemning her beliefs and her claim to be a mainstream Catholic.

  • Pam

    So, if the Pope would get futzing around and spit it out, maybe others would get a clue. You can’t expect to make much headway on abortions as long as he condons it by his silence.

  • Fr. Joseph

    Thank goodness the pope is not a spiteful, vengeful Republican!

    Are you implying that opposition to abortion, on the part of Catholics, is motivated only by loyalty to the Republican Party?

    Rather than implying this, why don’t you state it clearly, and attempt to defend this proposition rationally?

    You could start by explaining how the authors of the Didache, and all the canon lawyers for the last 1600 years, and every Father of the Church and every Pope who has ever said anything about the subject, were all Republican activists.

  • Fr. Joseph

    Whether abortion should be a criminal offense is a matter of one’s political judgment- would criminalization in some states really cause fewer abortions than now? Is it consistent with the right to privacy of our Constitution? Good Catholic and others of good intent can disagree.

    Speaker Pelosi happens to represent the views of the majority of Catholics. Excommunicate her and there’s no logical reason not to excommunication all the millions of good Catholics whose political judgment on this issue she represents. Did someone say “Reductio ad absurdum” ?

    I await with interest the highhanded condemnations to follow this posting.

    The string of falsehoods in your post are all dealt with in the “Declaration on Procured Abortion,” issued by the CDF in 1974. The principle one is the notion that whether or not abortion should be legal is a matter of “political judgment” on which Catholics are at liberty to differ.

    On the contrary, support for, even acquiescence in, the legality of abortion is an option that is strictly forbidden to all Catholics. Thus, in taking that position, Pelosi places herself outside of Communion with the Church. As do all those nominal Catholics who agree with her — whether they number a dozen, a million, or a billion.

    An argument in the form of “reductio ad absurdum” is valid — but only if the “absurdity” involved is genuinely absurd. What you seem to consider absurd — that Catholics should be Catholics — is not absurd.

    Note the absence of any personal condemnation.

  • Fr. Joseph

    Will, Fr.Drinan is dead. The Boston College Jesuits had an elaborate funeral for him. I and three others picketed it. My sign read “Father Death Is Dead”.
    Warren

    Thank you.

  • Fr. Joseph

    The church cannot possibly afford the membership and financial hit it would take to excommunicate members who violate the abortion and contraception rules. How would this work?

    How would they expel Speaker Pelosi but not the rest of her fellow Catholics who go along with her position. So it would be based on the public profile of the indivisual. Speaker Pelosi is in the US Congress and serves her district and the congress as speaker in a purely secular role – a not as a Catholic. Her oath is to uphold the constitution and not her particular religion.

    The church will never give up the pipleine of family tradition based membership creation. The church membership is sustained through being passed from parents to children. Once they excommunicate a member they are in effect cutting off all the future desendants as well. The church leadership is not stupid. In two generations the church would be fraction of its size in the United States and be marginalized.

    First of all, there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that requires the states to refrain from treating abortion as homicide. Thus, Speaker Pelosi is in no way constrained by her oath of office to promote abortion.

    Speaker Pelosi is a Catholic 24 hours a day, every day. There is no such thing as acting “as” a politician, as distinguished from acting “as” a Catholic. Unless one is a psychotic.

    The Church does not exist just to maintain a certain size or influence in society. At one time, the Church consisted of one teenaged girl in Nazareth. A few years later, the Church consisted of a few dozen terrified men and women assembled in an upper room in Jerusalem.

    Your mind seems to operate on a plane so far below the reality of the Church — it is inexpressible.

  • Fr. Joseph

    http://www.tinyurl.com/canon915

    This tinyurl takes you to Archbishop Burke’s article on the subject of “The Discipline of the Denial of Holy Communion.” The article deals exhaustively with the issues raised by the great number of “Catholic” pro-abortion politicians.

    The article also thoroughly exposes the false statements on this issue made by several American bishops and canon lawyers.

    Use this as a tag line in your e-mails. It can also fit on a bumper sticker or picket sign, or in little ads in Catholic publications. It can be memorized by little children, and written in chalk on sidewalks, or in soap on bishops’ cars.

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