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  • Obama’s Nominee for EEOC Promotes Polygamy and Homosexuality

    by Deal W. Hudson

    President Barack Obama has nominated a Georgetown University law professor, Chai R. Feldblum, to the Equal Employment Opportunity Council. Feldblum, a lesbian activist lawyer, formerly worked for the American Civil Liberties Union, the Human Rights Campaign Fund, and in the mid-1980s clerked for Justice Harry A. Blackmun, the author of Roe v. Wade.

    Feldblum faces Senate confirmation hearings before she can assume her post at the EEOC. The significance of her nomination for Catholics is underscored by the EEOC’s recent ruling that Belmont Abbey, a Catholic college, must provide coverage for contraception in its insurance plans for employees.


    Feldblum’s record gives every indication that she would agree with this decision. She argued in a recent paper, “Moral Conflict and Liberty: Gay Rights and Religion,” that “once a religious person or institution enters the stream of commerce by operating an enterprise such as a doctor’s office, hospital, bookstore, hotel, treatment center, and so on, I believe the enterprise must adhere to a norm of nondiscrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.”

    Feldblum has a high public profile. She has gone on the record many times arguing that the state has an obligation to support relationships other than heterosexual marriage. In 2006, Feldblum signed a document titled “Beyond Same Sex Marriage: A New Strategic Vision for All Our Families & Relationships.” This petition offers a “new vision” for securing governmental and institutional recognition of “diverse kinds of partnerships.”

    By signing this petition, Feldblum also expressed her support for polygamy: Among the stated “partnerships” the petition seeks to protect are “households in which there is more than one conjugal partner.”

    In a paper written for the “Moral Values Project” at the Georgetown Law School, Feldblum describes one kind of polygamous relationship the government should support: NSDPs, or “nonsexual domestic partners.” She explains, “The state has an obligation to recognize and support these non-sexual domestic partnerships — these ‘moral units’ of society — as well as sexual relationships that offer care and support.”

    Feldblum’s advocacy of the homosexual lifestyle is quite startling, given the fact that she teaches at a Catholic law school. As a matter of fact, she is seen in this video arguing not only that the government has a duty to promote homosexuality but also proclaiming, “Gay sex is morally good.”

    Since President Obama nominated Feldblum on September 15, his outreach to the homosexual community has rapidly accelerated. His keynote speech to the Human Rights Campaign on October 11 contained all the positions advocated by his EEOC nominee: “You will see a time in which we as a nation finally recognize relationships between two men or two women as just as real and admirable as relationships between a man and a woman.”

    Obama’s declaration “to repeal the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and to pass the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act” reflects Feldblum’s commitment to employ the power of government to encourage the growth of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender social units, thus presenting a direct challenge to traditional marriage.

    Her place on the five-person panel of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission will give Feldblum a powerful perch from which to pursue her “new strategic vision.” No doubt religious businesses and institutions should be put on full alert for scrutiny of both their hiring practices and their benefits packages. If Feldblum’s nomination is approved by the Senate, the case of Belmont Abbey may prove to be just the tip of the iceberg.

    The views expressed by the authors and editorial staff are not necessarily the views of
    Sophia Institute, Holy Spirit College, or the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts.

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    • Stan Gwizdak

      And yet another instructive tale for those who thought Catholics could establish dialogue with this “social justice” president. His flowering telepromptered words touched so many.

      By now, you should know that you should never listen to what he says – only watch what he does and who he surrounds himself with. “A tree is known by its fruits.”

      This is the most radical, leftist administration in American history. The American Republic, what it has traditionally stood for and the Catholic Church are despised by these people.

      The Church will survive because Our Lord said it would. America, however is compressing towards critical mass. Lord, have mercy.

    • Austin

      Deal, I understand your concern about her being appointed to a high level job in the Federal Government, but I think a bigger point is that she is a Georgetown Law Professor. As I recall, Georgetown is supposidly a “Catholic” University. What’s going on at Georgetown? Notre Dame got roughed up for awarding Obama an honorary degree, is Georgetown “flying under the radar?” It would appear so.

    • Fr Michael

      Professor Feldblum’s views should not surprise, even though she is affiliated with Georgetown. Georgetown is not a Catholic university, even though it poses as a Catholic university. The same is true for Notre Dame.

      Is there anyone in the Obama regime who could articulate the case against polygamy? Professor Feldblum will fit in spendidly.

    • Mother of Two Sons

      Deal,
      Thank God you do what you do; I don’t have the time or resources and more importantly the stomach to keep up with this Administration’s suggestions….
      I have known that we are in THE BATTLE for the Soul of America but this proves we are at war with the Devil, Himself… he is like spitting right in our face to see if we have the will to do anything about it! Please God, America will once again stand up and get this woman off the playing field….
      FYI, The Devil Himself doesn’t show up unless the person could undermine his game significantly or he knows this country as a whole would prove great victory and spit in God’s face…. This is a war against principalities it will take all of our armor, a time of highest holiness, prayer, fasting alongside our letters, phonecalls, emails and marches on Washington! And ABOVE ALL, do so with GREAT Confidence in GOD who, if we call on HIM will FIGHT this WAR and of course prove VICTORIOUS in the end!

    • Andrew

      Why not introduce polygamy as an official partnership form, and why stop at three involved? Why put limits on the numbers, if the partnership is based on mutual consent? And why not include animals as well? Don`t they deserve to be treated equally, too? One could adopt a whole zoo …
      Let society do what they want. It is far more important to keep our focus on Christ. Do not play too much politics, but dedicate your heart to love and truth.

    • Dan Deeny

      Yes, I think the most interesting thing here is that Prof. Feldblum teaches at Georgetown, a Catholic university. Catholic support for the Obama administration is very high. Why is that?

    • Hess Family

      Yes, I think the most interesting thing here is that Prof. Feldblum teaches at Georgetown, a Catholic university. Catholic support for the Obama administration is very high. Why is that?

      Hess Husband is a Gerogetown alum, and he could tell you some stories about the so-called Catholic university. It may not be as high-profile as Notre Dame, but don’t forget that Obama also spoke there, too. Adherence to Catholic teachings at Georgetown is low, while “dissent” is praised and rewarded, IMO.

      As for the “Catholics” who support Obama, you’ve heard of CINOs, right?

    • RK

      She argued in a recent paper, “Moral Conflict and Liberty: Gay Rights and Religion,” that “once a religious person or institution enters the stream of commerce by operating an enterprise such as a doctor’s office, hospital, bookstore, hotel, treatment center, and so on, I believe the enterprise must adhere to a norm of nondiscrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.”

      This is a very strong position and I’m not sure anyone can argue with it. The church-state relationship establishes that no church can influence the state. The state, however, becomes the de facto “influencer” to all churches. The state becomes the common partner to all churches and becomes the arbiter in any conflicts that may arise. We may not like it, but it seems unavoidable that the state will determine under what conditions churches may exist. If the state has determined that churches must adhere to “nondiscrimination” policies what’s a church to do? Obey or perish it seems to me. Am I missing something?

    • John

      The battle begins..This government is flying in the face of God..daring him to do something. just like the Pharaoh in Egypt we know the outcome before it happens. The devil holds sway just for a fleeting moment. Pray Pray Pray

    • Carlist

      One must face facts and not let nostalgia color analyses!

      Georgetown is NOT a Catholic institution. It is a Jesuit institution. And unfortunately, no religious society has been as effective in spreading the post VII “silent apostasy” within the Church as these servants of Modernism!

      Offer prayers that the spirit of Loyola, Canisius, Francis Xavier and Jogues will re-emerge or that the next pontiff will assume the name, Clement!

    • Greg Sully

      RK asks: The state, however, becomes the de facto “influencer” to all churches. The state becomes the common partner to all churches and becomes the arbiter in any conflicts that may arise. We may not like it, but it seems unavoidable that the state will determine under what conditions churches may exist. If the state has determined that churches must adhere to “nondiscrimination” policies what’s a church to do? Obey or perish it seems to me. Am I missing something?

      Greg replies: This would not be true in a capitalist country where the “stream of commerce by operating an enterprise such as a doctor’s office, hospital, bookstore, hotel, treatment center, and so on” are not in the hands of government. But, the U.S. has continued to drift to a socialist model in which the “stream of commerce” is ruled by the government. Therefore, in a socialist or communist country, the church must obey the government’s point of view on morality if it wants to run charity services or have any public engagement.

      This is why we must stop Obama now or slide into persecution. The Church can’t commit evil acts, and so we will be persecuted. That’s what’s coming for us if we don’t unite with evangelicals, Mormons, conservative jews and muslims and resist hard.

    • Greg Sully
    • Greg Sully

      In the video, Feldblum says: “The idea [of the Workplace Flexibility 2010 project] is we want to change the American workplace, and we want to revolutionize social norms. This is a project that the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation is funding me to do….I think we need the same effort with regard to Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender rights, using the weapons of ‘moral values,’ and I think this effort has to happen alongside the current effort that is using the weapons of equality.”

      That comment from Feldblum lays out all the ingredients of Leftist success that Christians have failed to use for a generation:

      (1) A futuristic, evangelistic vision for ‘revolutionizing social norms”
      (2) Robust funding from financial backers
      (3) Smart change strategies

      Is it any wonder we’ve lost our country to these people? These folks are dedicated, well-funded, and strategic about spreading their gospel of libertine fascism. Each day they get to the hard work of “change” (Obama’s word for “revolution”), and they use lawsuits, government, and public schools to impose their radically immoral curriculum upon the nation.

      Why haven’t Catholics and evangelicals been doing this for the past 50 years? If we had, we’d be the ones in command, and the nation would be shaping up around Christian values and ethics.

    • Aaron

      Deal, I understand your concern about her being appointed to a high level job in the Federal Government, but I think a bigger point is that she is a Georgetown Law Professor. As I recall, Georgetown is supposidly a “Catholic” University. What’s going on at Georgetown? Notre Dame got roughed up for awarding Obama an honorary degree, is Georgetown “flying under the radar?” It would appear so.

      Austin, you’re right to point out that Georgetown will not get a firestorm of controversy over their employment of such an actively un-Catholic professor, but I propose the discrepancy arises not from a double standard. Rather, people have long since ceased to believe in Georgetown’s Catholic identity, whereas they had not realized prior to last that Notre Dame’s is largely forfeited as well. In another ten years when Notre Dame begins to slough the last vestiges of its official Catholicism, you’ll see a similar reduction in the scandal generated by its misbehavior.

    • Brian English

      RK:

      I think what you are missing is the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

      Unfortunately, it appears Professor Feldblum has also overlooked that part of the Constitution.

    • Chris

      Paging Doug Kmiec… paging Doug Kmiec… Mr. Kmiec, do you still maintain that Obama represents a viable choice for faithful Catholics?? Unfortunately, I think I know the answer to that…

    • Sue Gay

      I disagree with most of this too, but I am more dismayed by the hateful and unChristlike responses. You do no favors to the Catholic Church in convincing others of your righteousness, for it is empty without compassion for those who do not see clearly.

    • I am not Spartacus

      Feldblum’s advocacy of the homosexual lifestyle is quite startling, given the fact that she teaches at a Catholic law school

      Startling? For a “Catholic University,” it is queer and quotidian. It is quite mundane; quite predictable.

      Mr. Hudson. You would be well-served to read “Amchurch Comes Out,” the 2002 study by Mr. Paul Likoudis.

      The EEOC person Feldblum, who used to infect the students at Georgetown with her STDs (socially transmitted diseases), is a direct result of the homosexualisation insitutionalised by Joseph Cardinal Bernardin and, still, deeply embedded in the Hierarchy of The USCCB.

      What;You thought that darling of the Media, Bernardin, was all about Christian Orthopraxis?

    • I am not Spartacus

      In “Love Story:” love means never having to say you are sorry.

      In “Compassion Story:” compassion means never being permitted to say a person or thing is evil.

    • I am not Spartacus

      What is that she is wearing around her neck?

      It is as bright and eye-catching as the day star that fell from Heaven and took up its place in the North:

      Isaias 14: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations? 13 And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north.

      Through Pride and Rebellion, Lucifer was cast from Heaven and took up his place in the sides of the north (You know, where, say, Georgetown, is located).

      This “Catholic” University, chose this rebellious person to distort truth with her bright red lies and the color red she wears is not that of the blood shed for truth it is the red of “suddenly spilt blood” (Chesterton)Every colour has in it a bold quality as of choice; the red of garden roses is not only decisive but dramatic, like suddenly spilt blood. He feels that something has been done[/color.

      When “Catholic” Universities hire persons like Feldblum, they are cooperating in spreading bright red lies which slay Christian innocence and the education they provide is, at best, attempted murder of the Christian Consciences of scores of not-yet-fully-formed Christians.

      It is good she wears red and it is good she is where she belongs – solidly embedded in the Marxist Maven’s Menagerie of Misfits.

    • Mark

      The presidents choices are the “in your face”
      kind. Kevin Jennings and now this individual. This is
      the face of the shadow culture or shadow government.
      Maybe we should inform our bishops of these developments?

    • Stan Gwizdak

      I disagree with most of this too, but I am more dismayed by the hateful and unChristlike responses. You do no favors to the Catholic Church in convincing others of your righteousness, for it is empty without compassion for those who do not see clearly.

      With respect, was it un-Christlike for Jesus to call the Pharisees hypocrites and a brood of vipers? Jesus loved them, by the way. Was it un-Christlike for St. Paul in the first chapter of Romans to accurately, vehemently and unapologetically confront and condemn the sins of that day (of this day as well)? No.

      Bovine, docile silence in the face of evil is consenting to it. To believe we cannot condemn or speak out against evil because we are trying to show our righteousness is patently absurd. Telling someone that we love them, you’re OK and I’m Ok is not love. Christ instituted the Church to tell people that they need Him because they are lost in their sins without Him.

      The news is a daily adventure of watching this administration try to destroy another tradition or institution. It is an agenda devoid of the Christian God. As Pope Benedict said a couple of weeks ago (paraphrase) “There is no limit to the absurdities that man can fall into when he excludes God from his life.” We are now daily descending into the real of the satanically inspired Absurd. The only thing more absurd would be to give the absurdity credence by remaining silent or sugar coating the response to impress the Benevolent Forces of Tolerance – who are neither benevolent or tolerant in case you haven’t noticed.

      Please remember we are supposed to be the Church Militant not the Church Impotent. Passion, sarcasm, satire and the reason of one’s thought are not necessarily hateful unless we consciously make it so.

      Stand out and speak out. Actually, I believe it’s going to get so bad that we simply won’t have a choice. They’ll eventually come looking for us.

    • Christine

      As you all have figured out by now, I live in California. One of my neighbors is a lesbian, and my husband and I take care of her dogs when she is away. She is a very nice lady, but we did have a discussion about prop 8 (the same sex marriage initiative, BTW) last year when she canvassed the neighborhood before the election to garner support.

      She disagreed vehemently with me when I did propose (with love and respect, mind you, we still are good neighbors and we will join her at Oktoberfest this weekend) that re-defining marriage to two willing people in love could open the door to other unions that would be based solely upon human emotion, such as polygamy, sibling, parent/child marriages and polygamy. She told me that this would never happen. It seems I was correct.

      I recommend that no matter how hard it is to speak the truth, we must, even when people like Sue Gay try to stop us by saying that speaking the truth is not Christlike or when they start to call you names and accuse you of horrible things (check out the Cry Baby comments associated with my name and you will know what I mean). Christ spoke the truth and we are to carry his cross and follow him.

    • Christine

      We who speak out for Christ and his Way are blessed.

      Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.
      (Matthew 5:11,12)

    • William

      Wake up folks, if you think this is as bad as it can get, you ain’t seen nothin yet. They are going to ramrod the same sex marriage act through, then they are going to make it illegal to even express an idea that is anti-gay, then they will try to force churches (especially the Catholic Church) to perform same sex marriage ceremonies. Failure to do so will result in federal lawsuits and ultimately the loss of the Church’s tax exempt status. That in a nutshell is the Obama administration plan for the Catholic Church. Ultimate Destruction.

    • Francis Wippel

      Wake up folks, if you think this is as bad as it can get, you ain’t seen nothin yet. They are going to ramrod the same sex marriage act through, then they are going to make it illegal to even express an idea that is anti-gay, then they will try to force churches (especially the Catholic Church) to perform same sex marriage ceremonies. Failure to do so will result in federal lawsuits and ultimately the loss of the Church’s tax exempt status. That in a nutshell is the Obama administration plan for the Catholic Church. Ultimate Destruction.

      If the Catholic Church were persecuted in such a way, it would be a blessing.

      What we should fear even more than such persecution is what we

    • Arline

      Folks: Could we be dealing with the antichrist?
      If so, then all these horrors have to take place…all these happenings must come to pass. And even though, sorrowfully, all these dispictable things are taking place in our country and in our world, and are so very, very distrubing…we know that Jesus will return soon and right all the wrongs…defeat the enemy at last! Pray people pray! Maranatha! come Lord Jesus come!

    • Ted Seeber

      Yes, I think the most interesting thing here is that Prof. Feldblum teaches at Georgetown, a Catholic university. Catholic support for the Obama administration is very high. Why is that?

      I think, like all other support for Obama, it is a visceral, unthinking reaction to the Prophet Bush, who claimed to speak to Christ directly and acted like he was the Pope instead of the President.

      And like most unthinking reactionary moves, it leads directly to sin.

    • I am not Spartacus

      Collectively, The USCCB is about as prepared for the battle against evil as a resurrected Percy Dovetonsils would be prepared to participate in a Mixed Martial Arts Contest.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he3s9gQ134Y

      If you want real men prepared to battle real evil, they must be fed on the EF of Mass and they must exercise their spiritual muscles by the practice of Penance and Fasting.

      Our Bishops, collectively, have promoted immortification which leads ineluctably to effeminacy of character
      (See Dom Gueranger, “The Liturgical Year,Book V, Lent: History of Lent)

      Like The Weimar Republic which was in thrall to sex, whiskey and money, we in America have chained ourselves to sex, drugs, and money and The Bishops hold the Keys to set us free – the EF Mass, Penance and Fasting – but our Shepherds show no sign of wanting to set us free and I think that is because they have willingly imprisoned themselves in the deadly liberal ideologies of Feminism and Homosexualism.

      You will have to face the fact that,collectively, your Shepherds have abandoned you. The USSCB is more interested in the Cult of Feminism and The Cult of Homosexualism.

      You will have to set yourself free. You can do it. And this great Pope is making it easier day by day. (Or, as Fr. Z. writes, brick by brick).

      Find the closest EF Mass and begin Fasting and doing Penance and Praying The Rosary. If you can afford to do so, buy an old Roman Missal and The Liturgical Year and begin reading it daily.

      The Weimar Republic descended into a totalitarian nightmare and America has been far more wicked than was The Weimar Republic. Unreformed, unrepentant, uninformed, and uninspired to Holiness, what is our destiny?

      For those of you who think the unthinkable can never happen here, read the two part series over at The Brussels Journal

    • RK

      RK:I think what you are missing is the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

      Unfortunately, it appears Professor Feldblum has also overlooked that part of the Constitution.

      Actually, I think the professor is right on. While one might argue that free exercise is interpreted more narrowly now than by the founders that’s not where she’s basing her position. She is saying that churches are violating their right to free exercise of their religion by not adhering to the civil law. I haven’t seen any good argument against her position.

      Why do republicans sound like sour grapes? They didn’t complain when Bush was usurping congressional powers, but now that the democrat is doing the same thing they whine like spoiled children.

      You reap what you sow.

    • Laurie

      Ted,

      So this is Bush’s fault too. Give me a break. Can we get past George Bush? Maybe we should just burn him at the stake? Would that help you get over your hatred for this guy? This article is about a very left wing ideology presented in the Obama Administration not the Bush Administration. We can’t even call evil, evil without it turning into a Bush Bashing Party. May God help this country and our Catholic Faith with this kinda nonsense justifying Catholic’s voting for this abortion loving, homosexual loving, socialistic administration.
      Wake Up.

    • Christine

      I don’t think that we should be happy at our loss of rights, regardless from which party it comes. We are all the worse off for it, and we should be against it. That is why all Catholics should be Catholics first and not a Republican or Democrat first. It’s best not to put your faith in either US political party.

    • Just Saying

      Reading Mr. Hudson’s blog and the comments here is just too much fun!

      The Republicans are juggling so many self-destructive and self-righteous shovels in their collective hands already, but I’m sure they’ll continue to entertain by picking up yet another…intensified bigotry directed at one of God’s children who happens to be gay…as if it were her choice.

      Keep those shovels moving and the dirt flying!

    • Ted Seeber

      Ted,

      So this is Bush’s fault too. Give me a break. Can we get past George Bush? Maybe we should just burn him at the stake? Would that help you get over your hatred for this guy? This article is about a very left wing ideology presented in the Obama Administration not the Bush Administration. We can’t even call evil, evil without it turning into a Bush Bashing Party. May God help this country and our Catholic Faith with this kinda nonsense justifying Catholic’s voting for this abortion loving, homosexual loving, socialistic administration.
      Wake Up.

      Bringing the friends and family I’ve lost in Iraq and Afghanistan back to life might be a start. Bringing those who are still alive home in safety would be even better, if the Obama administration wants my support.

      Having said that though- the question was, why do good Catholics support the evil of the Obama Administration. I submit that like my own hatred of the Bush Administration, which to some extent is unthinking, so is any support of the Obama administration.

      As for your hatred of socialism, do you also hate monasteries?

    • Ted Seeber

      I don’t think that we should be happy at our loss of rights, regardless from which party it comes. We are all the worse off for it, and we should be against it. That is why all Catholics should be Catholics first and not a Republican or Democrat first. It’s best not to put your faith in either US political party.

      Amen Christine- this is what I’ve been trying to say all along.

    • Ted Seeber

      Reading Mr. Hudson’s blog and the comments here is just too much fun!

      The Republicans are juggling so many self-destructive and self-righteous shovels in their collective hands already, but I’m sure they’ll continue to entertain by picking up yet another…intensified bigotry directed at one of God’s children who happens to be gay…as if it were her choice.

      Keep those shovels moving and the dirt flying!

      Having a homosexual orientation is not a sin. Acting on it IS.

      Catholic Information Service recently put out a publication straightening all this out:
      http://tinyurl.com/c2nfaj

    • Ted Seeber

      After the last 8 years, culminating in the destruction of American Capitalism in September 2008, the Democrats could have nominated Stalin himself and still won. That is a fact. Republicans had control of the government and FAILED UTTERLY. George W. Bush deserves the lion’s share of that failure.

      So this is Bush’s fault too. Give me a break. Can we get past George Bush? Maybe we should just burn him at the stake? Would that help you get over your hatred for this guy?

      We need not go that far. I’d be glad just to go back in time and elect Alan Keyes instead. Either that or return to life my classmates and relatives whose lives were lost in using preemptive offensive war instead of isolationism and a strong defense at home. Oh, and there’s the 10 years behind on retirement due to the mess he made of the economy.

      And that’s just what would need to be restored for even justice.

      This article is about a very left wing ideology presented in the Obama Administration not the Bush Administration. We can’t even call evil, evil without it turning into a Bush Bashing Party. May God help this country and our Catholic Faith with this kinda nonsense justifying Catholic’s voting for this abortion loving, homosexual loving, socialistic administration.

      I hate to say it, but of those, what’s wrong with Socialism? Do you have a hatred of Catholic Monasteries also, which operate on a communistic model? How can you say the Our Father, the most socialistic prayer ever, in Mass every week if you’re against socialism?

      The rest- abortion loving, homosexual loving- is the *direct result* of voting for Bush. The real reason we can’t feel safe today? Bush family collusion with the House of Saud.

      And as for homosexuality, well, the most gay display I’ve ever seen from any President so far is right here: http://tinyurl.com/cpuf2

      So as much as I agree with your dislike of Obama- those who cooperated with the evil of the Bush family have only themselves to blame.

    • Ted Seeber

      There’s got to be some sort of weird proxy between me and IC.

    • Christine

      Bush did not single handedly cause the mess we are in. He probably will go down in history as one of the worst presidents we’ve ever had, however.

      We all have some blame for the crisis we’re in, from those who bought houses or re-financed houses to have payments they could not afford; for being gung-ho about starting a war with a country that did not attack us; and about being dumb enough to elect a president who is turning out to be just as clueless and out of touch as Bush, just because he is a great public speaker and said pretty things.

      Let’s fix what we can fix. It’s too late to change what we did in the Bush era, but it is not too late to change what we can now. Do not let your hatred for Bush cloud your thoughts and do not let it stop you from discussing what is wrong now and what we can do to stop it.

    • Christine

      By the way Ted,

      Realize that if you want socialism or communism (or some form thereof), you would be giving a lot of power to someone like Bush or someone like Obama. Think about it… yeah, pretty scary…

    • Stan Gwizdak

      Yes, the left has been apoplectic since the 2000 election and that includes leftist Catholics who despised Bush before 9/11, before Afghanistan and before Iraq. He didn’t speak like liberals like people to speak – with lofty prosaic platitudes that don’t necessarily do anything but do, temporarily, emotionally gratify them.

      I have my own problems with George Bush but I don’t hate him and supported him on a few things. As for Iraq: Every male member of my family, including me, has been there. My firstborn son is there now on his second tour after getting a purple heart on his first.

      Iraq and Afghanistan are not intellectual abstractions for my family.

      The codemnation of these wars and Bush are either done with the benefit of retroactive hindsight or simply ideology – neither of which deal with the reality of that moment.

      Monstaries and socialism. Mr. Seeber serious postulates that these are the same things. They are NOT. Socialism has been condemned by the Church – google it – look it up. If you have a problem with that condemnation then you have a problem with the Magesterium. They condemn it because it makes flawed assumptions about mankind and it disregards God. Monastaries, as far as I know, do not disregard God. Zapetero’s Spain should not be compared to the Capuchin Friars either in concept or execution.

      As for the war, I’m probably ambivalent about it. I agreed with it initially. Based on the information AT THE TIME, I thought it was strategically and tactically sound. Unfortunately, the United States has not fought to actually win a war since August, 1945. The West, as it has weakened, now fights what I call UnWar. UnWar is far more immoral. Nothing is affirmed; nothing is settled, everything is the same, if not worse, than before it started and young men die for nothing. Treasure is wasted and the nation grows fatigued. Finally, a candidate who would have garnered perhaps 2% of the vote four years ago, who rationally, if properly vetted should have been laughed off the stage, is elected President of the United States.

      The West is dying.

    • Austin

      Well, we have gone from a President who thinks he talks to Jesus to one who thinks he is Jesus….. 230 years ago we fought a revolution against an overbearing King. And now we find ourselves under messianic fools who would make Louis XIV blush with their own self importance, and cult of personality.
      When I see young women looking at Obama like teenage girls looking at a rock star, it scares me. Perhaps he will walk across the Potomac for his flock?

    • Laurie

      Ted,
      The Catholic Church is against socialism. One only has to read some of the popes’ writings in the last century to understand that. The first thing a socialistic government does is go after the churches. They are totally against religion. The only one to have influence over it’s people is the government itself. They determine everything. True free will is gone. Do you think this is what Jesus came for? The Our Father a socialistic prayer? Because we are to forgive others, does that make it socialistic? I think that is a stretch. The same with the monastery analogy. To compare a group of brothers who work
      together,share meals together, and PRAY together, is alittle different than a socialistic government. What happens to a person that doesn’t want to stay in a monastery? He can leave.
      What happens to a person that doesn’t want to follow a socialistic regime? They are either murdered or put in prison.
      As I said in a different post. I think putting a political party before your faith, or worse yet trying to justify your faith with political beliefs is crazy. I look at the candidates I can choose who are closest to my Catholic beliefs. None are perfect. I don’t believe that voting for a third party candidate who has no chance of winning makes any sense unless the other two are both evil (support intrinsic evils). That is just my opinion.
      I am sorry for you loss of family members in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
      In regards to homosexuality and abortion, the Catholic Church says both are intrinsic evils. So I will never vote for someone who is for either. No matter what little goodies he or she can give me via the tax payer’s money. I am responsible for helping my brother. I will not pass that responsibility on to a secular government.

    • Anne

      I’m starting to think these people are the ones the founding fathers warned us about, ‘ENEMIES, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.’ [smiley=think]

      Sorry if that makes everyone nervous. But isn’t it time we get a little uncomfortable??

    • Ted Seeber

      Yes, the left has been apoplectic since the 2000 election and that includes leftist Catholics who despised Bush before 9/11, before Afghanistan and before Iraq. He didn’t speak like liberals like people to speak – with lofty prosaic platitudes that don’t necessarily do anything but do, temporarily, emotionally gratify them.

      I’m Catholic first- and thus I need to come at him from that basis. From that basis, he was a failure.

      I have my own problems with George Bush but I don’t hate him and supported him on a few things. As for Iraq: Every male member of my family, including me, has been there. My firstborn son is there now on his second tour after getting a purple heart on his first.

      And if Bush had been a Catholic first, and had followed the recommended tactics from St. Augustine of Hippo, you would have never been there- and your son would not be there now.

      Iraq and Afghanistan are not intellectual abstractions for my family.

      The codemnation of these wars and Bush are either done with the benefit of retroactive hindsight or simply ideology – neither of which deal with the reality of that moment.

      What part of “stop importing from our enemies and make sure no airliner or boat from the middle east reaches our shores or crosses our borders” would NOT be dealing with the reality of that moment, far better than invading other countries?

      But of course, to do that, one has to have read St. Augustine, and realized the wisdom of “Do not take revenge”.

      Monstaries and socialism. Mr. Seeber serious postulates that these are the same things. They are NOT. Socialism has been condemned by the Church – google it – look it up.

      I have. Unlike you though, I’ve actually looked into Catholic Monasteries as examples of communes that work and a better economic system than capitalism.

      If you have a problem with that condemnation then you have a problem with the Magesterium. They condemn it because it makes flawed assumptions about mankind and it disregards God. Monastaries, as far as I know, do not disregard God. Zapetero’s Spain should not be compared to the Capuchin Friars either in concept or execution.

      Actually, I don’t. Not all socialism denies God. The Capuchin Friars and the Apostles especially. In fact, I’d say a requirement for a working commune was giving *all* state power to God.

      As for the war, I’m probably ambivalent about it. I agreed with it initially. Based on the information AT THE TIME, I thought it was strategically and tactically sound. Unfortunately, the United States has not fought to actually win a war since August, 1945. The West, as it has weakened, now fights what I call UnWar. UnWar is far more immoral. Nothing is affirmed; nothing is settled, everything is the same, if not worse, than before it started and young men die for nothing. Treasure is wasted and the nation grows fatigued. Finally, a candidate who would have garnered perhaps 2% of the vote four years ago, who rationally, if properly vetted should have been laughed off the stage, is elected President of the United States.

      The West is dying.

      Far better isolationism, than unwar.

    • Ted Seeber

      The Church is NOT against socialism as described in Acts chapters 3-5.

      The Church is NOT against socialism as practiced in small, voluntary communes while worshiping God, in fact, the Catholic Church has examples that have lasted longer than any other form of communism the world has ever seen.

      The Church isn’t for capitalism either- because after all, capitalism worships money and profit, not God.

      Laurie says she can’t vote for a candidate that supports intrinsic evil. Well, that’s why I voted for Mr. Baldwin in the last election- because the top two Presidential candidates represented intrinsic evils. It’s why I’ve voted third party every federal election since 1992.

      A Catholic candidate can’t support abortion. A Catholic Candidate can’t support Wall Street either- because Wall Street invests in companies that support The Culture of Death, which is now and always has been capitalism.

    • Stan Gwizdak

      I’m starting to think these people are the ones the founding fathers warned us about, ‘ENEMIES, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.’ [smiley=think]

      Sorry if that makes everyone nervous. But isn’t it time we get a little uncomfortable??

      You are absolutely correct. The answer is obvious. The opposition’s answer is obvious as well.

      The administration’s policy is based primarily on resentment of what it perceives as injustice based on the Marxist dialectic. Resentment is a poor basis for policy. It is doomed to failure and we will fail with it.

      In the end, God is triumphant but there is the interim between now and then.

      “In the world you will have trouble, be not afraid, I have conquered the world.”

    • Robertz

      Finally, a candidate who would have garnered perhaps 2% of the vote four years ago, who rationally, if properly vetted should have been laughed off the stage, is elected President of the United States.

      Stan, this reminded me of an article from LSN I read last night:
      http://www.lifesitenews.com/ld…02002.html

    • Fr Michael

      William:

      You are correct. The the regime in Washington would like to get rid of the tax-exept status of the Church.

      But let’s not be fearful! I would hate to have to try to explain to the Lord on Judgment Day that my actions were affected by the tax status of our Church.

    • Brian English

      “Actually, I think the professor is right on. While one might argue that free exercise is interpreted more narrowly now than by the founders that’s not where she’s basing her position. She is saying that churches are violating their right to free exercise of their religion by not adhering to the civil law. I haven’t seen any good argument against her position.” RK

      You and the professor also apparently do not understand the purpose of the Constitution. The Constitution is meant to protect our fundamental rights. If a constitutional right comes into conflict with the civil law, the civil law has to give way, not the constitutional right. That is what it means when a law is declared unconstitutional.

      “Why do republicans sound like sour grapes? They didn’t complain when Bush was usurping congressional powers, but now that the democrat is doing the same thing they whine like spoiled children.

      You reap what you sow.” RK

      I actually think of myself as more of an Anti-Democrat than a Republican. In any event, if Bush “was usurping congressional powers” (whatever that is supposed to mean), that does not excuse, and is not the equivalent of, the government attempting to force citizens to perform acts that violate their religious beliefs. That is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

    • Mark

      One reason to avoid marxism is the inspiration that drove
      Karl Marx: Karl Marx was a satanist, not an athieist. He
      wrote poems cursing our savior, and he wrote that he’d
      rather be in hell in the afterlife than in heaven with
      Jesus. Socialism is about useless. I think one reason
      may be that socialist are obsessed with other peoples
      money and the means of production, which they call
      distributionism.
      Small christian communities were not based on socialism.
      The Franciscans honor God with poverty, the Jesuits honor
      God with the intellect, the Christian brothers teach.
      They put the mission to build the Kingdom of God first,
      not developing a distributive utopia, particularily when
      these socialist models attack God’s Kingdom, so it appears.

    • Teresa Blosser

      [smiley=shock]
      This woman is beyond evil and is doing the very thing that Isaiah comdemns which is to call good evil and evil good. He actually says Woe to the people that would do that. We cvan see that the Kingdom of Darkness and Rebellion through Satan is growing in leaps and bounds. Jesus, the full bearer of our sins and THE way of escape stated that right before his return to judge the earth that the days would be filled as they were as the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. We are now in moral free fall and the Prince of Darkness is on the move. His bride is forming and the days are beyond wicked. I urge all people to read Caryl Matriciano’s Book “Out of India” and Warren Smith’s book (free online book)at http://www.reinventingjesuschrist.com and his newest book for sale Wonderful Deception. This is not limited to a sexual expresssion rights issue, it is about the total remolding our our goverment ( National to Global) redefining God, morals, and prepping the world for the fake Messia. Read and understand these books as they demonstrate where these dangerous changes will take the world. Without the blood of Jesus to wash away all sin, and the ability to wait for his kingdom to come, this world is lost and hell bound. A great deception is brewing and picking up speed. I look up for my redemption that is nearing. Read your bible as never before.
      Blessings

    • Mark

      This administration, and the philosophers behind it,
      are indeed evilly deceptive. They seem to be heroes of
      distributing the wealth in the community of America, as
      if reading it from scripture. But when it come to the
      rest of scripture, they act as if they know it better
      than tradition, and even rebel against it and encourage
      others to do the same. The president distanted himself
      from his pastor in the elections; he is not distancing
      himself from his czars and other advisors.

    • Ted Seeber

      I actually think of myself as more of an Anti-Democrat than a Republican. In any event, if Bush “was usurping congressional powers” (whatever that is supposed to mean), that does not excuse, and is not the equivalent of, the government attempting to force citizens to perform acts that violate their religious beliefs. That is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

      I’m pretty sure unjust, preemptive war is against the religious beliefs of many in our military. So at best, Bush was equal in his totalitarianism to Obama.

    • Ted Seeber

      One reason to avoid marxism is the inspiration that drove
      Karl Marx: Karl Marx was a satanist, not an athieist. He
      wrote poems cursing our savior, and he wrote that he’d
      rather be in hell in the afterlife than in heaven with
      Jesus. Socialism is about useless. I think one reason
      may be that socialist are obsessed with other peoples
      money and the means of production, which they call
      distributionism.

      First of all- Marx was not a distributionist. He wasn’t even a true socialist- he wanted control of the means of production in the hands of the government, not the people.

      Please learn what these words mean, instead of just throwing them around!

      Small christian communities were not based on socialism.
      The Franciscans honor God with poverty, the Jesuits honor
      God with the intellect, the Christian brothers teach.
      They put the mission to build the Kingdom of God first,
      not developing a distributive utopia, particularily when
      these socialist models attack God’s Kingdom, so it appears.

      God’s Kingdom, as described in the Lord’s Prayer, is the ultimate distributive utopia:

      Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven: Please make this world more like heaven and less like earth.

      Give us this day our daily bread: Give us what we need, don’t make us work for it.

      Forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us: Can’t see Marx or Stalin doing this- but the Apostles did.

      Last but not least, are you under the impression that God’s Kingdom is based on personal profit? What of “Sell all you have and give it to the poor, to come follow me”? Who do you think Christ would support, those who feed the poor or those who foreclose on their houses to get a bigger bonus?

    • Ted Seeber

      This administration, and the philosophers behind it,
      are indeed evilly deceptive. They seem to be heroes of
      distributing the wealth in the community of America, as
      if reading it from scripture.

      Most of Obama’s cabinet in financial matters came straight from Wall Street. *Almost all* of the “distributing the wealth” goes back to Wall Street.

      They’re about as distributive as Marx and Stalin- none at all. Taking wealth from the Majority to give to the Minority of Wall Street bankers is extremely deceptive indeed.

    • Different Mark

      “Please learn what these words mean, instead of just throwing them around!” – Ted

      LOL

    • David from Texas

      Yep, these are your people. Nutbags and reactionaries. You’ve tapped into a ready source of commerce – much like the snake-oil business. Hope you’re proud of your accomplishments – entertaining and inciting fringe lunatices with vitriolic rhetoric. The more you talk, the farther you move from the truth.

    • Christine

      Eef we aaah to bee zee looney tunes, ah eet would bee so nahce if ah cood be zee Pepe le Pew, no?

      I woood bee zee great stinkeh lover of zee Lohd, no?

    • Mother of TwoSons

      that all the arguing about Socialism and Capitalism and Marxism and Totalitarianism is just a distraction from the real work of Kingdom Building…. I believe that all this envying of the Rich is actually just an excuse for not having to address the facts that most Americans just laid down their ability to generate income and went and got a job. A job is subject to the will of the Job Creator, so it will always be a less than you are truly capable of earning if you really dug deep and used your gifts and talents! And how about if Christians would design businesses that actually paid everyone in a way that they wish the current Corporations would do. It is sheer laziness in my opinion, it is a lot easier to condemn the awful, greedy, self-serving Corporations, then to get off your soapbox and build a model exemplifying the standards you so defend! I have said it before and I am about finished with my book that will clearly state it…. the problem with our country is not that there are too many Liberals, but that too many Christians are in the back seat of their life journeys….
      Build the models of Education, Business, Community that you envision and they will prosper and multiply…stop talking about it, do it!..build them across all industries, Creative Arts and Entertainment, Healthcare, Educational Institutes teaching Teachers, Political Leadership Institutes to screen and prep future political leaders….. Journalism….. etc…. there is no end to the possibilities of income generating if we put our minds and hearts and souls on it! Then other people would start trying to label what is this form of “government” they are building at the grassroots level…. A Taste of Heavenism smilies/smiley.gif! How fun to start branding it….. got any ideas?

    • Pammie

      When I first read “The Wanting Seed” by Anthony Burgess (circa 1963) back in the mid ’70′s I thought it was so ridiculous as to be almost unreadable. Now as we see such what has happened to our society, the relentless march of “gay rights”,and the attempts to legitimatize and encourage homosexual behaviour by our government I am beginning to think that Burgess was gifted with foresight of the future. Anyone with a stong stomach might want to have a read of this novel. I can assure you it has increased the fervor of my own prayers.

    • Joe Cober

      Words,words,words.There are not many convinced Catholics.Lay the first stone to restore the Church by demanding the use of a communion-rail,and receive on tongue.”First honor the Lord, the rest will be given”We decided to go to communion, holding palms of hands together,to indicate that something special was going on.To evangelize to others, especeally the youngsters. Stop praying “Lord,I am not worthy to receive You.But why should I kneel before You ?I don’t allow You to come in me rightaway,You must come in my hand and wait till I put You in me”. And “Heavenly Mother, I love you very much.But why should I kneel for your divine son when He wants to come in me?” First communicants learn receiving in hand; then told to put palms of hands together…for the foto !So pious !And all the fervent grownups don’t care.They cry “Pray,pray,pray” (at home,in church,in procession;do they dare to cross themselves before meals,in the presence of others ?);are ashamed to go to receive, holding folded hands at breastbone. Afraid some may call you ‘show-off’.You are not a ‘show-off’, you are a ‘show-up’,stepping up to the frontline where the battle is fought. When I was still working,I always crossed myself before eating my lunch;I alone amidst my co-workers.Catholics travel to far away shrines;but dare not go to receive with hands folded at breastbone. They are pro-life, anti euthanasia, anti same-sex weddings,but don’t see that altar-rails form a dam against evil, signs towards saintliness.When we’ll kneel down,we’ll be able to reach great heights.It will form firm Catholics. And that’s what we urgently need.Without firm Catholics,we lose. joecober@rogers.com

    • Stan Gwizdak
      Yes, the left has been apoplectic since the 2000 election and that includes leftist Catholics who despised Bush before 9/11, before Afghanistan and before Iraq. He didn’t speak like liberals like people to speak – with lofty prosaic platitudes that don’t necessarily do anything but do, temporarily, emotionally gratify them.

      I’m Catholic first- and thus I need to come at him from that basis. From that basis, he was a failure.

      I have my own problems with George Bush but I don’t hate him and supported him on a few things. As for Iraq: Every male member of my family, including me, has been there. My firstborn son is there now on his second tour after getting a purple heart on his first.

      And if Bush had been a Catholic first, and had followed the recommended tactics from St. Augustine of Hippo, you would have never been there- and your son would not be there now.

      Iraq and Afghanistan are not intellectual abstractions for my family.

      The codemnation of these wars and Bush are either done with the benefit of retroactive hindsight or simply ideology – neither of which deal with the reality of that moment.

      What part of “stop importing from our enemies and make sure no airliner or boat from the middle east reaches our shores or crosses our borders” would NOT be dealing with the reality of that moment, far better than invading other countries?

      But of course, to do that, one has to have read St. Augustine, and realized the wisdom of “Do not take revenge”.

      Monstaries and socialism. Mr. Seeber serious postulates that these are the same things. They are NOT. Socialism has been condemned by the Church – google it – look it up.

      I have. Unlike you though, I’ve actually looked into Catholic Monasteries as examples of communes that work and a better economic system than capitalism.

      If you have a problem with that condemnation then you have a problem with the Magesterium. They condemn it because it makes flawed assumptions about mankind and it disregards God. Monastaries, as far as I know, do not disregard God. Zapetero’s Spain should not be compared to the Capuchin Friars either in concept or execution.

      Actually, I don’t. Not all socialism denies God. The Capuchin Friars and the Apostles especially. In fact, I’d say a requirement for a working commune was giving *all* state power to God.

      As for the war, I’m probably ambivalent about it. I agreed with it initially. Based on the information AT THE TIME, I thought it was strategically and tactically sound. Unfortunately, the United States has not fought to actually win a war since August, 1945. The West, as it has weakened, now fights what I call UnWar. UnWar is far more immoral. Nothing is affirmed; nothing is settled, everything is the same, if not worse, than before it started and young men die for nothing. Treasure is wasted and the nation grows fatigued. Finally, a candidate who would have garnered perhaps 2% of the vote four years ago, who rationally, if properly vetted should have been laughed off the stage, is elected President of the United States.

      The West is dying.

      Far better isolationism, than unwar.

      By your luminous brilliance, flawless logic and assumptions of what I have looked into and what I have not, you have convinced me of my total error by your piercing of that inacessible light prohibited to the rest of us.

      I crack me up.

      I was going to try to refute your points but there comes a time for an end to tooting horns or trying to mute the tooting of horns. You have your path. Have at it, brother.

      In hoc signo, vinces. Dominus Vobiscum.

    • James Patrick Galivan

      Nothing about this administration can surprise me. Wait, I take that back. Saying that is bad luck. Actually, the most shocking thing about her is that she is on the faculty of a Catholic university. The woman has a sick and twisted mind. I suggest we conservatives should recognize reality and change the name of our country from the United States of America (USA), to the United World’s Largest Banana Republic (UWLBR). That way, we can still sit near the UK at the UN.

      The prequalifications for federal employment appear to be: homosexuality, membership in the communist party, lack of previous employment in business, atheism, killing police officers, bombing the Pentagon, or severe mental challenge (witness the vice president.)

      When I awoke on Wednesday, 12th September, 2001, I was very happy for a few moments, thinking I had arisen from a terrible nightmare. There have been many such moments in the past eleven months: I sometime wake up very happy, thinking that George W. Bush is our president, and that sanity remains the norm in the nation’s executive branch.

      Alas, it is not long before I realize that we have a marxist occupant of the White House who has scraped the bottom of every barrel to find the least qualified, the most stridenty offensive, the most stupid,those with the least knowledge of English, and the least patriotic to fill every administrative position in his gift.

      On my arthritic knees I pray that we will still be able to recognize our country in November of 2012, unless he and his minions have decided, in their wisdome, that since everyone in the world loves Obama, praise his name, elections are no longer needed.

    • Ted Seeber

      On my arthritic knees I pray that we will still be able to recognize our country in November of 2012, unless he and his minions have decided, in their wisdome, that since everyone in the world loves Obama, praise his name, elections are no longer needed.

      I haven’t been able to recognize this country since 1980- when it appeared that the majority gave up compassion, solidarity, and subsidarity in exchange for insane pricing levels on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

      Every year has been worse. Democrats or Republicans in charge have made no difference whatsoever.

      In my adulthood, I now recognize the rot started much earlier- perhaps even with the end of American Sovereignty over our own trade in 1947 when the WTO was accepted as the first world government organization.

      But it was in 1980 that Government was deemed Evil, Business and the Mortal Sin of Greed anointed as the Messiah, and individualism became the rule of the day.

      The only real difference between Marxism and Corporatism is the use of starvation vs the use of abortion.

    • Stan Gwizdak

      But it was in 1980 that Government was deemed Evil, Business and the Mortal Sin of Greed anointed as the Messiah, and individualism became the rule of the day.

      The only real difference between Marxism and Corporatism is the use of starvation vs the use of abortion.

      If you were speaking of London or Liverpool during the time of Charles Dickens, you might be credible. I have been to 30 countries and in a war. You just don’t describe the America I know (though, I grant you, it is disappearing rapidly). If you really think this country is so evil would you not be happier somewhere else?

      I think you would be unhappy anywhere because nothing and nowhere is perfect including me – and you.

      Be proportional; this is the planet Earth not the Kingdom of Heaven.

      There was a time during the idealism of my youth that I thought I could help change the world. After my coming back to the Church in full conversion to Christ, I realized that, with his grace, changing myself would be a life long vocation. My life is very different now because of that conversion and in that sense, I guess I did change the world.

    • Christine

      Ted, I think that the disappointment in goverment let-downs started even before 1947.

      It started when that evil governor [smiley=evil] the snake, tricked Adam and Eve to get kicked out of the country called the “Garden” and into his territory.

      God won our victory through his only begotton son, Jesus Christ, but the devil is on the earth until Christ claims his victory when he returns. There will be no new Eden or heaven on earth until he returns, and therefore your dogmatic belief in social engineering for a perfect society through government is at its very genesis flawed.

      No matter how small the village (the Garden of Eden had 2 residents), human sin screws things up. That is why we have Christ and that is why you currently can’t make him the Supreme De-Facto Ruler on this earth until he returns. Invariably, people have to rule until Jesus returns. People who will sin.

      During his time with us on earth, Jesus’ disciples asked him to be the ruler of Israel in the image of David, as they thought that this was the mission of the Messiah, but they were wrong. Jesus’ mission was much bigger. He is to be the King of each heart and soul and after our struggles, he will come to claim the kingdom.

      Your dream of a perfect civilization until Christ’s glorious return are just an illusion. It would be better for you to spend more time and effort on making the world within your soul the kindom of God.